Obama, Cameron call for Gaddafi's departure, says 'brutality and violence' must stop

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Obama, Cameron call for Gaddafi's departure, says 'brutality and violence' must stop

2011-03-09 05:03:42 GMT+7 (ICT)

WASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) -- President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron on Tuesday agreed that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi should step down immediately, the White House said.

Obama and Cameron discussed the fast-moving situation in Libya during a phone call. "The two leaders discussed the coordination of international efforts to end the violence against the Libyan people and ensure accountability," the White House said in a statement.

Libya has been plunged into chaos as massive anti-government protests continue nationwide, resulting in a violent crackdown by security forces which included aerial bombardments on protesters. Up to 2,000 people are believed to have been killed in the uprising, but confirmed information has been difficult to obtain due to reporting restrictions by Libyan authorities.

The President and the Prime Minister agreed that "the common objective" in Libya must be "an immediate end to brutality and violence." But the leaders also agreed that Gaddafi's departure from power should come as soon as possible.

"The President and the Prime Minister agreed to press forward with planning, including at NATO, on the full spectrum of possible responses, including surveillance, humanitarian assistance, enforcement of the arms embargo, and a no fly zone," the statement said.

Obama expressed his appreciation for Britain's partnership at the United Nations and provision of humanitarian assistance to the Libyan people, the White House said. Obama also committed to a close coordination on the next steps.

-- © BNO News All rights reserved 2011-03-09

[BKKarim]

Departing states leader everywhere ...

When the freedom and liberty loving Americans stand up against Guantanamo Obama? Specially those who vote for him. He is a liar. His words can't be trusted. It damages Americas reputation.

Its about time.

I didn't like the Bush approach to the world, but he wasn't that dishonest as Obama is.

I could live with some hardcore military dude as long between his words and action is no discrepancy. But this laureate brother with his false promises, faux hopes, insulting apologies just makes one angry.

[geriatrickid]

Departing states leader everywhere ...

When the freedom and liberty loving Americans stand up against Guantanamo Obama? Specially those who vote for him. He is a liar. His words can't be trusted. It damages Americas reputation.

Its about time.

I didn't like the Bush approach to the world, but he wasn't that dishonest as Obama is.

I could live with some hardcore military dude as long between his words and action is no discrepancy. But this laureate brother with his false promises, faux hopes, insulting apologies just makes one angry.

President Obama has not been dishonest. He cannot close Guantanamo because the U.S. Congress refuses to allow the transfer of those prisoners to the U.S. prison system inside the USA. If you blame President Obama for this, then you really have no understanding of the checks and balances inherent in the U.S. political system. The spreading of power between the various branches of the U.S. governments acts to ensure that it unlikely that a dictator like Gadaffi could rise to power. There is also an ultimate check on the power of the UK PM: The Sovereign. HM Queen Elizabeth has the perogative to dismiss PM Cameron and Parliament thereby forcing an election. These checks and balances are not present in Libya because Gaddaffi killed off most his opponents.

In respect to the topic at hand, the statements by the President and the Prime Minister were appropriate. They were asking that violence be avoided and that Gadaffi end the violence by ending his four decade dictatorship. If you are offended by the words of these gentlemen then you may have some bigger issues.

BTW your syntax and views remind of a chap from Thai Visa called Sergei.

Edited March 9, 2011 by geriatrickid

[Ulysses G.]

BTW your syntax and views remind of a chap from Thai Visa called Sergei.

That would be against the rules. Just another coincidence I'm sure.

Edited March 9, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[BKKarim]

President Obama has not been dishonest. He cannot close Guantanamo because the U.S. Congress refuses to allow the transfer of those prisoners to the U.S. prison system inside the USA. If you blame President Obama for this, then you really have no understanding of the checks and balances inherent in the U.S. political system.

Did he promised to do that? Yes.

Would a 'bush' have made such promise? No.

Is Guantanamo closed? No.

If i would now criticize the Guantanamo CCamp.

A 'Bush' supporter could probably reply: okay, you point accepted, but we just doing it that way now.

Am Obama supporter would reply that i got it all wrong and start to argue with some annoying euphemism from Obamas teleprompter, selling me Gitmo like some product on the shopping channel or come up with whatever excuses and would finally accuse me of being something bad, calling me a right winger or a black people hater.

With the bush dude i could have a beer. word.

[Richb2004v2]

Departing states leader everywhere ...

When the freedom and liberty loving Americans stand up against Guantanamo Obama? Specially those who vote for him. He is a liar. His words can't be trusted. It damages Americas reputation.

Its about time.

I didn't like the Bush approach to the world, but he wasn't that dishonest as Obama is.

I could live with some hardcore military dude as long between his words and action is no discrepancy. But this laureate brother with his false promises, faux hopes, insulting apologies just makes one angry.

President Obama has not been dishonest. He cannot close Guantanamo because the U.S. Congress refuses to allow the transfer of those prisoners to the U.S. prison system inside the USA. If you blame President Obama for this, then you really have no understanding of the checks and balances inherent in the U.S. political system. The spreading of power between the various branches of the U.S. governments acts to ensure that it unlikely that a dictator like Gadaffi could rise to power. There is also an ultimate check on the power of the UK PM: The Sovereign. HM Queen Elizabeth has the perogative to dismiss PM Cameron and Parliament thereby forcing an election. These checks and balances are not present in Libya because Gaddaffi killed off most his opponents.

In respect to the topic at hand, the statements by the President and the Prime Minister were appropriate. They were asking that violence be avoided and that Gadaffi end the violence by ending his four decade dictatorship. If you are offended by the words of these gentlemen then you may have some bigger issues.

BTW your syntax and views remind of a chap from Thai Visa called Sergei.

The mature voice of reason. Well said.

[BKKarim]

The mature voice of reason. Well said.

Yes, well said. Was there some election promise? Was it honoured?

Good that we talked about.

What plans the funky laureate next?

My bed is on a full force peace mission. Strategy Gadaffi style. just like in Afghanistan.

[coma]

Departing states leader everywhere ...

When the freedom and liberty loving Americans stand up against Guantanamo Obama? Specially those who vote for him. He is a liar. His words can't be trusted. It damages Americas reputation.

Its about time.

I didn't like the Bush approach to the world, but he wasn't that dishonest as Obama is.

I could live with some hardcore military dude as long between his words and action is no discrepancy. But this laureate brother with his false promises, faux hopes, insulting apologies just makes one angry.

George.W.Bush was a complete and utter liar. The evidence being his total fabrication of evidence presented to the UN security council for his reason to invade Iraq. And had the audacity to send Gen Colin Powell to the assembly to do his dirty work for him.

[hammered]

I await seeing these two gentlemen make similar calls for the leaders of the murderous regimes of Yemen and Bahrain to also step down and for a genuine move to democracy across the region where the local peoples can choose whatever government they want and these gentlemen in the spirit of demcocracy stating they will accept the wishes of the people whoever they decide to choose.

I also await these gentlemen to refuse the request by the murderous regime of Israel for more dollars to buy weapons as they are scared of demcoracy in the arab world.

It is an interesting test case to see if these gentlemen have a genuine belief in democracy and self determination or if they are just old fashioned self interested imperialists who regard those not of their own exact belief and values as lesser beings.

[hammered]

Departing states leader everywhere ...

When the freedom and liberty loving Americans stand up against Guantanamo Obama? Specially those who vote for him. He is a liar. His words can't be trusted. It damages Americas reputation.

Its about time.

I didn't like the Bush approach to the world, but he wasn't that dishonest as Obama is.

I could live with some hardcore military dude as long between his words and action is no discrepancy. But this laureate brother with his false promises, faux hopes, insulting apologies just makes one angry.

George.W.Bush was a complete and utter liar. The evidence being his total fabrication of evidence presented to the UN security council for his reason to invade Iraq. And had the audacity to send Gen Colin Powell to the assembly to do his dirty work for him.

Which of course makes him ultimately responsible for the murderous slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians (a death toll Gaddafi will come noweher near) and without doubt a war criminal.

[EnSvenskTiger]

I await seeing these two gentlemen make similar calls for the leaders of the murderous regimes of Yemen and Bahrain to also step down and for a genuine move to democracy across the region where the local peoples can choose whatever government they want and these gentlemen in the spirit of demcocracy stating they will accept the wishes of the people whoever they decide to choose.

I also await these gentlemen to refuse the request by the murderous regime of Israel for more dollars to buy weapons as they are scared of demcoracy in the arab world.

It is an interesting test case to see if these gentlemen have a genuine belief in democracy and self determination or if they are just old fashioned self interested imperialists who regard those not of their own exact belief and values as lesser beings.

+1 Well put!

In my eyes its just the old imperialists ranting again.

Sad!

Tiger

[BKKarim]

George.W.Bush was a complete and utter liar. The evidence being his total fabrication of evidence presented to the UN security council for his reason to invade Iraq. And had the audacity to send Gen Colin Powell to the assembly to do his dirty work for him.

Which of course makes him ultimately responsible for the murderous slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians (a death toll Gaddafi will come noweher near) and without doubt a war criminal.

And what about Obama? who does exactly the same things like Bush, but just having a different rhetoric.

Meanwhile Bush would simply admit something like waterboarding,

Obama would promise Change! but continue to do so. If get caught he would turn on his two teleprompters, apologize sorry sorry, say a prayer together with Michele and promise it would never happen again, but continue to do so. if get caught he would turn on his two teleprompters ...

If a 'Bush' condemns Gadaffi demands his depature not many would bother to say 'How can he dare' not much to argue about.

And when Obama does the samenoone objects and some pseudolefty philosemites get all excited to launch the next War on some Arabs as soon as possible.

[geriatrickid]

These threads sprout legs that invariably carry them over to the bashing meadow, where Israel, the USA and depending upon the mood the UK gets attacked, and criticized. It is times like this I feel for anyone that has to moderate a thread like this. It's a constant regurgitation of Bush bad, Obama bad, Blair bad, Israel bad, Cameron bad. Blah, blah, blah blah. Can't you guys come up with something actually appropraite and relevant instead of the same old rants?

[Steely Dan]

Let's see now, perhaps with the deathtoll now estimated at 2000 outsiders are supposed to keep out of it and let Gadaffi challenge the death toll of other Arab tyrants. I wonder if the U.N will even get to vote on the matter, which is academic anyway as Russia has promised to veto any U.N sponsored military intervention. I suppose anyway the U.N have more pressing matters to debate such as Israel building a few houses on disputed land.

[EnSvenskTiger]

Let's see now, perhaps with the deathtoll now estimated at 2000 outsiders are supposed to keep out of it and let Gadaffi challenge the death toll of other Arab tyrants. I wonder if the U.N will even get to vote on the matter, which is academic anyway as Russia has promised to veto any U.N sponsored military intervention. I suppose anyway the U.N have more pressing matters to debate such as Israel building a few houses on disputed land.

You have a link to that Russian promise? Please post if you have.

Tiger

[Steely Dan]

Let's see now, perhaps with the deathtoll now estimated at 2000 outsiders are supposed to keep out of it and let Gadaffi challenge the death toll of other Arab tyrants. I wonder if the U.N will even get to vote on the matter, which is academic anyway as Russia has promised to veto any U.N sponsored military intervention. I suppose anyway the U.N have more pressing matters to debate such as Israel building a few houses on disputed land.

You have a link to that Russian promise? Please post if you have.

Tiger

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12683952

Ok, It's from the BBC stating Russia opposes military intervention, on closer inspection I see no mention of veto, so take this report as you will.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8402133-moscow-says-no-to-foreign-military-intervention-in-libya

Edited to add another link.

Edited March 9, 2011 by Steely Dan

[snarky66]

I'm waiting for Obama to condemn the leaders of North Korea as murderous bastards who let their people starve while the dear leader makes porno films. Does Obama know what happens to young girls in N Korea ? Sex slaves for the Army.

I guess I'll have to wait to hear Obama do that.

I am also waiting for him to condemn the Mullahs running Iran. But Obama will never do that. He has a special place in his heart for totalitarian regimes. What do you think "fundamentally change America" meant?

No he only meddles in certain foreign countries. To wit Egypt & Libya.

He had a chance to side with the protestors in Iran but he kept silent. Shame on you mister president.

[Steely Dan]

I'm waiting for Obama to condemn the leaders of North Korea as murderous bastards who let their people starve while the dear leader makes porno films. Does Obama know what happens to young girls in N Korea ? Sex slaves for the Army.

I guess I'll have to wait to hear Obama do that.

I am also waiting for him to condemn the Mullahs running Iran. But Obama will never do that. He has a special place in his heart for totalitarian regimes. What do you think "fundamentally change America" meant?

No he only meddles in certain foreign countries. To wit Egypt & Libya.

He had a chance to side with the protestors in Iran but he kept silent. Shame on you mister president.

I suspect the U.S and the world wil pay a high price for Obama's incompetence in appeasing Iran, make no mistake Iran have turned Lebannon into a puppet state and are central to unrest currently taking place in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.

[snarky66]

Dan you're a patriot.

[Oberkommando]

We need to move in fast and secure the oil.

[koheesti]

I await seeing these two gentlemen make similar calls for the leaders of the murderous regimes of Yemen and Bahrain to also step down and for a genuine move to democracy across the region where the local peoples can choose whatever government they want and these gentlemen in the spirit of demcocracy stating they will accept the wishes of the people whoever they decide to choose.

I also await these gentlemen to refuse the request by the murderous regime of Israel for more dollars to buy weapons as they are scared of demcoracy in the arab world.

It is an interesting test case to see if these gentlemen have a genuine belief in democracy and self determination or if they are just old fashioned self interested imperialists who regard those not of their own exact belief and values as lesser beings.

There's a murderous regime in Bahrain?

[koheesti]

Departing states leader everywhere ...

When the freedom and liberty loving Americans stand up against Guantanamo Obama? Specially those who vote for him. He is a liar. His words can't be trusted. It damages Americas reputation.

Its about time.

I didn't like the Bush approach to the world, but he wasn't that dishonest as Obama is.

I could live with some hardcore military dude as long between his words and action is no discrepancy. But this laureate brother with his false promises, faux hopes, insulting apologies just makes one angry.

George.W.Bush was a complete and utter liar. The evidence being his total fabrication of evidence presented to the UN security council for his reason to invade Iraq. And had the audacity to send Gen Colin Powell to the assembly to do his dirty work for him.

Which of course makes him ultimately responsible for the murderous slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians (a death toll Gaddafi will come noweher near) and without doubt a war criminal.

1. You only over-estimated those civilian deaths by hundreds of thousands. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

2. Over 80-90% of those deaths were caused by insurgents/terrorists so they get the lion's share of the blame.

[EnSvenskTiger]

Let's see now, perhaps with the deathtoll now estimated at 2000 outsiders are supposed to keep out of it and let Gadaffi challenge the death toll of other Arab tyrants. I wonder if the U.N will even get to vote on the matter, which is academic anyway as Russia has promised to veto any U.N sponsored military intervention. I suppose anyway the U.N have more pressing matters to debate such as Israel building a few houses on disputed land.

You have a link to that Russian promise? Please post if you have.

Tiger

http://www.bbc.co.uk...africa-12683952

Ok, It's from the BBC stating Russia opposes military intervention, on closer inspection I see no mention of veto, so take this report as you will.

http://www.allvoices...ention-in-libya

Edited to add another link.

From that other link : "But the Russian “No” to the military intervention in Libya means such move would not get an approval of the UN Security Council, where Moscow has the veto power. It is also unlikely China would support it."

This is what you call a Russian promise? A wild guess from a biased "journalist"! Got any moore "information" you would share with us to enlighten the situation. Or maybe just some lies.

Pathetic!

Tiger

[geriatrickid]

U.S. policy on North Korea and Iran has not changed since the previous Bush administration. This is due in large part to the continuation of key state department staff. It is difficult to change these diplomats and negotiators due to their knowledge of the respective regimes.

The Obama administration has indeed spoken out against North Korea and Iran. However, bear in mind that North Korea does not react well to threats and U.S. policy on North Korea is in large part influenced by the two allies that would bear the brunt of conflict, South Korea and Japan. Keep in mind that there are U.S. nationals held by Iran and the U.S. is trying to obtain their release.Angry rhetoric from the USA will not facilitate the U.S. nationals release.

I do not understand why the focus is on the USA. Libya's oil exports are mostly to the EU. The USA isn't going to suffer from the gas pipeline closure between Italy and Libya. Yes, oil prices have increased, but it is France, italy, UK and Spain that import the oil not the USA. It is Russia and China that have billions of $$ invested in Libya, not the USA.

[EnSvenskTiger]

Its all about what is left of it! Do you honestly belive in the what the Saudis claim to have left?

The world peaked in oil production a while ago and the end game is about to begin.The vultures are gathering!

Tiger

[Steely Dan]

From that other link : "But the Russian “No” to the military intervention in Libya means such move would not get an approval of the UN Security Council, where Moscow has the veto power. It is also unlikely China would support it."

This is what you call a Russian promise? A wild guess from a biased "journalist"! Got any moore "information" you would share with us to enlighten the situation. Or maybe just some lies.

Pathetic!

Tiger

I guess the rantings of the Iranian media are more up your street judging from your post on the Iran thread today. Iran who rank 175 out of 178 in the press freedom league, and you have the brass neck to accuse others of lying - You are a stinking hypocrite of the first order.

[Steely Dan]

U.S. policy on North Korea and Iran has not changed since the previous Bush administration. This is due in large part to the continuation of key state department staff. It is difficult to change these diplomats and negotiators due to their knowledge of the respective regimes.

The Obama administration has indeed spoken out against North Korea and Iran. However, bear in mind that North Korea does not react well to threats and U.S. policy on North Korea is in large part influenced by the two allies that would bear the brunt of conflict, South Korea and Japan. Keep in mind that there are U.S. nationals held by Iran and the U.S. is trying to obtain their release.Angry rhetoric from the USA will not facilitate the U.S. nationals release.

I do not understand why the focus is on the USA. Libya's oil exports are mostly to the EU. The USA isn't going to suffer from the gas pipeline closure between Italy and Libya. Yes, oil prices have increased, but it is France, italy, UK and Spain that import the oil not the USA. It is Russia and China that have billions of $$ invested in Libya, not the USA.

And this in a nutshell is why Russia and/or China will be reluctant in the extreme to see their investment in Libya unravel - which lends credence to speculation they would block UN military action.

Edited March 9, 2011 by Steely Dan

[EnSvenskTiger]

From that other link : "But the Russian "No" to the military intervention in Libya means such move would not get an approval of the UN Security Council, where Moscow has the veto power. It is also unlikely China would support it."

This is what you call a Russian promise? A wild guess from a biased "journalist"! Got any moore "information" you would share with us to enlighten the situation. Or maybe just some lies.

Pathetic!

Tiger

I guess the rantings of the Iranian media are more up your street judging from your post on the Iran thread today. Iran who rank 175 out of 178 in the press freedom league, and you have the brass neck to accuse others of lying - You are a stinking hypocrite of the first order.

Thats an insult! You are clealy bereft, making up "facts" as you go wont make a very interesting and iluminating forum. But I guess you come from that is quite common practice.

So please rant along and fantasize some moore.

[Richb2004v2]

Departing states leader everywhere ...

When the freedom and liberty loving Americans stand up against Guantanamo Obama? Specially those who vote for him. He is a liar. His words can't be trusted. It damages Americas reputation.

Its about time.

I didn't like the Bush approach to the world, but he wasn't that dishonest as Obama is.

I could live with some hardcore military dude as long between his words and action is no discrepancy. But this laureate brother with his false promises, faux hopes, insulting apologies just makes one angry.

George.W.Bush was a complete and utter liar. The evidence being his total fabrication of evidence presented to the UN security council for his reason to invade Iraq. And had the audacity to send Gen Colin Powell to the assembly to do his dirty work for him.

Which of course makes him ultimately responsible for the murderous slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians (a death toll Gaddafi will come noweher near) and without doubt a war criminal.

How many of that number were actually slaughtered by the USA? Who continues to kill people in Iraq?

[coma]

George.W.Bush was a complete and utter liar. The evidence being his total fabrication of evidence presented to the UN security council for his reason to invade Iraq. And had the audacity to send Gen Colin Powell to the assembly to do his dirty work for him.

Which of course makes him ultimately responsible for the murderous slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians (a death toll Gaddafi will come noweher near) and without doubt a war criminal.

And what about Obama? who does exactly the same things like Bush, but just having a different rhetoric.

Meanwhile Bush would simply admit something like waterboarding,

Obama would promise Change! but continue to do so. If get caught he would turn on his two teleprompters, apologize sorry sorry, say a prayer together with Michele and promise it would never happen again, but continue to do so. if get caught he would turn on his two teleprompters ...

If a 'Bush' condemns Gadaffi demands his depature not many would bother to say 'How can he dare' not much to argue about.

And when Obama does the samenoone objects and some pseudolefty philosemites get all excited to launch the next War on some Arabs as soon as possible.

Hey!

We are all forgeting one important point here when it comes to Obama. He won the noble peace prize.