November 5, 200520 yr Author Paris still burningThey’re up to one full week of nightly riots in Paris; and now the police are getting shot at. And the morons are still calling the rioters “youths.” And the MSM is declining to mention an entire week of riots in one of Europe’s Capitols. Amazing... A question for the social engineers: As you’ve been urging us to be tooolerant of the repulsive cultural notion that adult, civilized males cannot control their behavior or lust at the sight of a woman’s breasts, are you now going to urge us to be toooooerant of burning of cars and buildings and throwing rocks at police as simply another aspect of cultural diversity? Link <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So, what is the problem there then?
November 5, 200520 yr BoonMee, how about your own thoughts on the matter instead of endless links to right-wing propaganda blogs? I have to admit I skip over everything you post along those lines. What happened to thinking for yourself?
November 5, 200520 yr BoonMee, how about your own thoughts on the matter instead of endless links to right-wing propaganda blogs? I have to admit I skip over everything you post along those lines. What happened to thinking for yourself? Because "I'm right wing, everything you say is wrong, I have this hilarious picture that proves it, say what you want, I have my hands over my ears lalalalalalalalala" would get boring after 5,180 posts?
November 5, 200520 yr So, what is the problem there then? The 'social model' is broke is the problem. High unemployment and a busted welfare system Watch out rest of Europe - it's already happening in Denmark...
November 5, 200520 yr <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So, what is the problem there then? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The 'social model' is broke is the problem. High unemployment and a busted welfare system Watch out rest of Europe - it's already happening in Denmark... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "riots rage for a ninth night {in Paris}" While this isn't considered "terrorism" in the classical sense, you have to wonder about the mindset of the people involved. What is motivating these people to riot for 9 days now ? Even if they have (in their minds) a legitimate beef, does that justify all the criminal activity they are engaging in ? I'm certain that the people being most affected by this riot (shop-keepers, home owners, other residents and workers) are feeling terrorized. It's my understanding that this whole affair started as a response to the French Government's decision to ban Muslim head-scarves in schools. It has since escalated into a 9 day (so far) crime spree of arson, vandalism, mayhem and who knows what else. As Boon Mee mentions, the social model is broken. Too many immigrants (legal and otherwise) without the means to support them. Little, if any, effort to integrate these people into the mainstream of society. Little, if any, effort from these people to integrate themselves into that society. France is not alone in this situation. Years ago, while I was posted to Germany, there were similar problems. In one case, a group of Turkish immigrants living in an apartment building threatened to burn the building down. Why ? The German government was housing these people for free, and giving them money for food and clothing. Why did these Turks want to burn down their home(s) ? Because the German government wasn't giving them enough money to spend on things like parties and drinking and trips back to Turkey. The Turks (in this case) weren't interested in finding jobs and earning the money, they expected it to be given to them because they were immigrants. (the attitude among the commonfolk that lived around me wasn't, shall we say, very forgiving ?) I have a bad feeling that this is just the beginning. As other groups around Europe and the world watch what is happening in Paris, how long before similar acts start breaking out in other major cities ?
November 5, 200520 yr Author Are these rioters French citizens? have the same rights as all French people?
November 5, 200520 yr Are these rioters French citizens? have the same rights as all French people? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Most of them were born in France, so what do you think?
November 5, 200520 yr IMO, the real problem is that so many grassroots people in Europe are not prepared to accept immigrants especially from arab and african countries, creating a vicious circle where there is a clear grouping of 'us' and 'them', and where equally incorrect myths and ideas about 'the others' turn into 'truths' if they are repeated often enough. This, combined with the European governments' very real inability to handle mass migration, is what is causing unrest and troubles. Immgrants often live in their own neighbourhoods, the remnants of the depressing, grey high rise apartment buildings from the 60s and 70s, and find it hard to be accepted elsewhere in mainstream society. They may get enough benefits to get by on, but contrary to popular myth, people who migrate are not generally looking for handouts. Most people dont want to scrounge off others, they would rather do something meaningful so they can have a sense of purpose and self-worth in life. But unwillingness among employers to fully let these people in the door apart from in the lowest positions causes a great deal of frustration in especially second generation immigrants. It is interesting to compare the attitude of Thai people to Westerners with the attitude of Europeans to Arabs and other foreigners. I think if Europeans were as welcoming as Thais, there would not be as many of these riots - because real integration would take place, instead of the current false one, where the only 'real' native Europeans immigrants meet are the police, the social office and perhaps the language teacher. It is not enough to create smooth integration.
November 5, 200520 yr Author Are these rioters French citizens? have the same rights as all French people? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Most of them were born in France, so what do you think? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know the citizenship laws in France. Does anyone know if they are French citizens? or not?
November 5, 200520 yr Are these rioters French citizens? have the same rights as all French people? Most of them were born in France, so what do you think? I don't know the citizenship laws in France. Does anyone know if they are French citizens? or not? It is my understanding that they are, indeed, French citizens of mostly Algerian decent. When you have a welfare system that cannot keep up with the mass of immigrants France now has - more taxation and the ridiculous short 35 hour work week, something has to give. It's happening in Denmark now too... Clearly, France cannot continue on this foolhardy "stay the course" path.
November 5, 200520 yr more taxation and the ridiculous short 35 hour work week, something has to give. It's happening in Denmark now too... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The situation in Denmark has little to do with this poster's political views on the working week (which judging by the number of postings he makes daily and the hours he must spend in serching for right-wing quotes - it is easy to conclude, an improvement in his own contribution to the working week would be a welcome change). The Danish security police (PET) have for a long time suspected the Imam Abu Ahmed who has been known to hold lectures praising Osama bin Laden for his war against the West, in which he has said it was alright to kill Americans. All of the eight arrested Danish Muslims were his pupils, as well as the Danish-Turkish man, who last week was arrested in Sarajevo. In connection with this arrest police found several kilos of explosive together with other weapons and suicide vests. The Danish Government has recently published a rapport on the fight against terror, in which there stood, amongst other things (my translation): "The main central figure in a terror cell or in the radicalisation process is that person who functions as the spiritual adviser and/or talent scout with respect to influencing and choosing people who could become active in a terror cell or a terror action. This key person can consequently function as a "gate keeper" between influenced young in radical communities and terror cells in the country or abroad."
November 5, 200520 yr more taxation and the ridiculous short 35 hour work week, something has to give. It's happening in Denmark now too... The situation in Denmark has little to do with this poster's political views on the working week (which judging by the number of postings he makes daily and the hours he must spend in serching for right-wing quotes - i I actually spend very little time searching for quotes as they spring forth in a veratible fount of inspiration! Back on topic - the situation in Denmark is largely the fault of those two cartoons recently published depicting the 'Prophet' is a less than flattering light. Those Danes really take to heart 'Freedom of the Press'!
November 5, 200520 yr more taxation and the ridiculous short 35 hour work week, something has to give. It's happening in Denmark now too... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The situation in Denmark has little to do with this poster's political views on the working week (which judging by the number of postings he makes daily and the hours he must spend in serching for right-wing quotes - i <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ... Those Danes really take to heart 'Freedom of the Press'! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't you?
November 7, 200520 yr IMHOThe way we are fighting the war on terror we will never win. We are playing by the book and they are not. Our only option is to fight them on the same terms. Send small units(SAS, etc) into Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Sudan, Iran, Indonesia and of course Iraq and start taking out the people who are running this sh1t. Give them a taste of their own medicine and you will soon see what cowards they really are. Yes, this is not politically correct but wars never have been. hahahahhahahaha you're joking of course....or else you are just naive. Terrorists are not cowards....they're deluded....they think they go straight to heaven when they do what they do...you would be doing them a great favor by doing what you describe because you would be proving that they have been right all along about christian will to dominate AND you'd be giving anyone who wants to strike back a ticket straight to paradise!!!! or, on the other hand, you might ignite WWIII. No I am not joking! The people who are running it are not pulling the triggers or blowing themselves up. They are sitting back with their glass of Johnnie Walker watching it on their big screen TV's. I seem to remember the shoot to kill policy against the IRA working very well. Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were very quick in offering negotiations when half of their buddies had their heads filled with lead.
November 7, 200520 yr All kids are born innocent, like the one below in Pattani. Then hatred and loathing is preached at them daily (in the guise of "Religion") The results are all around us. It's heinous to deprive children of all innocence then replace it with pure hatred... yet another ticking time bomb... http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/06Nov2005_news05.php A couple in Pattani who named their only son ''bin Laden'' after the Saudi-born fugitive say they hope he will grow up as ''smart'' as the man being hunted by the US in connection with the devastating attacks on New York and Washington on Sept 11, 2001. The boy, now four, was born on the day of the terror attacks which Osama bin Laden is accused of plotting. Ibrohim Jae-rong, 43, a villager of Panarae district, said the district office refused to register his choice of name, and urged the family to switch to Nuruddin. But the boy is bin Laden to his family and neighbours, he said. ''The district officer tried to convince me the name was inappropriate as bin Laden was a terrorist,'' he said. However, the rubber plantation owner said his family does not care about that. To them, the fugitive is a hero. ''To me, he's not a terrorist. He is the most powerful man,'' said Mr Ibrohim. He said he believed the older bin Laden was a good man who had devoted his life to fighting the US. ''In my opinion, America is not a good nation for it interferes with other countries. I share with other Muslims in the deep South a love and admiration for bin Laden,'' he said. He wants the young bin Laden to be a good Muslim who will devote his life to Allah. He said he tried to instill Islamic teachings in the boy although he was still young. ''I want him to study Islam and to become an ustaz or toh khu, a religious school principal. I am willing to work hard to save money for his religious education. I also want to send him abroad for Islamic and Arabian studies.''Rortipah, mother of the young bin Laden, said she also admired Osama bin Laden. ''Before he was born, I dreamed of Allah. He gave me a big, beautiful necklace. He is the youngest kid, the other three are daughters,'' she said. She said she wanted her only son to be a good man. ''I want him to do the right things, not use violence,'' she said.
November 7, 200520 yr To think a military victory is possible only highlights the 'we are better than them' arrogance of Western mankind. They of course believe they are better than us and that Allah has victory in the bag.
November 7, 200520 yr I seem to remember the shoot to kill policy against the IRA working very well. Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were very quick in offering negotiations when half of their buddies had their heads filled with lead. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was the other way around. The british were forced to the bargaining table because IRA terrorism was bearing fruit after a few high profile blow up. You got it half right. The shoot to kill policy just forced the IRA to challenge the police with higher profile blow up. Is that really what the police wanted ? see, not that simple.
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