Abhisit Still Gets Death Threats

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Abhisit still gets death threats

BANGKOK, 15 August 2011 (NNT) -Former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva revealed that he still got death threats despite having left the premiership.

Mr. Abhisit said that he still received death threats through phone calls and letters from time to time. However, he affirmed that such threats were unable to deter him from doing his job.

While still serving as PM, Mr. Abhisit was once reported to have got death threats during his trip to the north. He insisted that his government had tried its best to perform its duty under the legal framework. The Democrat Party leader has not made clear if he would switch to a bullet-proof vehicle.

The Democrat Party has planned to set up a shadow cabinet to monitor the Pheu Thai-led government. Members of the shadow cabinet mainly comprise former ministers who work for the Abhisit government and Democrat MPs.

Former PM and Democrat leader Chuan Leekpai will help with the selection of the Democrat Party’s advisory board members.

-- NNT 2011-08-15

[englishinsiam]

Hardly surprising really. I hope no idiot takes him out. He was good for Thailand but the brainwashed masses can't see that.

[samurai]

Hardly surprising really. I hope no idiot takes him out. He was good for Thailand but the brainwashed masses can't see that.

He had two and a half year to convince the people to elect him "again" as PM. He failed. The people don't want. For obvious reasons and he is far from good for Thailand. And he is a loser.

Time to accept that.

No reasons for death threats of course.

[rubl]

Hardly surprising really. I hope no idiot takes him out. He was good for Thailand but the brainwashed masses can't see that.

He had two and a half year to convince the people to elect him "again" as PM. He failed. The people don't want. For obvious reasons and he is far from good for Thailand. And he is a loser.

Time to accept that.

No reasons for death threats of course.

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

Just saying 'no reason for death threats' is close to accepting them, you should denounce death threats and condemn those who issue them together with the propaganda and the people fabricating that propaganda who have caused this.

[samurai]

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

The people don't want him. Not now. Not in 2007. Not in any previous years. He tried, despite this, it for two and half years. Plenty time to convince the people of his abilities. And the people saw what he is "good" for.

They didn't vote for him "again".

He has to blame himself that he is not wanted and not blame any red-shirt propaganda or brainwashing for it.

Time to accept that.

[hammered]

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

The people don't want him. Not now. Not in 2007. Not in any previous years. He tried, despite this, it for two and half years. Plenty time to convince the people of his abilities. And the people saw what he is "good" for.

They didn't vote for him "again".

He has to blame himself that he is not wanted and not blame any red-shirt propaganda or brainwashing for it.

Time to accept that.

Or time for the Democrat party to see it instead of giving him a 96% thumbs up to lead them to defeat again. It is insanity. All the obvious Thaksin stuff aside even the inexperienced outsider made Abhisit look slow, old fashioned and dated in the campaigning. The Dems could learn something from this.

[Ricardo]

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

The people don't want him. Not now. Not in 2007. Not in any previous years. He tried, despite this, it for two and half years. Plenty time to convince the people of his abilities. And the people saw what he is "good" for.

They didn't vote for him "again".

He has to blame himself that he is not wanted and not blame any red-shirt propaganda or brainwashing for it.

Time to accept that.

"The people don't want him." and "They didn't vote for him "again"."

Well, except for the 11.4 million who did just vote Democrat, that is. Which is 35% of those who bothered to vote.

[Oberkommando]

This is the problem, it's always someone else's fault, never their own.

[phiphidon]

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

Just saying 'no reason for death threats' is close to accepting them, you should denounce death threats and condemn those who issue them together with the propaganda and the people fabricating that propaganda who have caused this.

It's not exactly been one sided propaganda, Rubl. I think you will find that the Democrats have "resorted to similar propaganda tactics' and possibly should be "denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries".

Through use of LM as a political tool, accusation of terrorism, manipilation of information in the Press and on Army run TV channels and various other dubious tactics the Democrats have tried to demonise Thaksin (arguably more so than is already the case) Jaturporn and the entire Red Shirt movement.

The Army Information command had also been busy working away in CRES during the "troubles" as can be seen by this document.

Lessons learned from Intelligence Operation: A Case of Intelligence Operation in an Urban Area (March-May 2010)" (Vol.60, No.1, pp.69-81

The hyperlink is in the original Thai language but a precis in english can be found here;

http://asiapacific.a...the-red-shirts/

Written by Colonel Boonrod Srisombat at the Army Training Command, The author describes how military intelligence operations (IO) were used to tackle the Red Shirt demonstration. IO involved the manipulation of information in order to increase the positive image of the government, hence justifying its decision-making and action. At the same time, it aimed to discredit the Red Shirt, especially the leaders, with negative images so that the Thai public would not support or sympathise with them.

Interestingly enough the Author also mentions participation by the "multicoloured shirts" (presumably some middle class Bangkok residents with a smattering of yellow shirts amongst them, basically anybody who is / was against the Red Shirts) purely self motivated, in posting "information" on the internet.

The author also believes that the cyber network of the "multi-coloured shirts" assisted this intelligence operation without any intervention from the state. The network became a new force in opposing the Red Shirt on the internet by distributing pictures and opinions through forwarded mails, social network pages and web boards.

Makes for interesting reading

[rubl]

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

The people don't want him. Not now. Not in 2007. Not in any previous years. He tried, despite this, it for two and half years. Plenty time to convince the people of his abilities. And the people saw what he is "good" for.

They didn't vote for him "again".

He has to blame himself that he is not wanted and not blame any red-shirt propaganda or brainwashing for it.

Time to accept that.

Independent of who wants or doesn't want k. Abhisit, it is a disgrace that this man receives death threats. That's more related to the OP than just saying 'the Thais don't want him'

Edited August 15, 2011 by rubl

[Maestro]

A nonsensical post and the reply to it have been deleted.

[samurai]

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

Just saying 'no reason for death threats' is close to accepting them, you should denounce death threats and condemn those who issue them together with the propaganda and the people fabricating that propaganda who have caused this.

It's not exactly been one sided propaganda, Rubl. I think you will find that the Democrats have "resorted to similar propaganda tactics' and possibly should be "denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries".

Through use of LM as a political tool, accusation of terrorism, manipilation of information in the Press and on Army run TV channels and various other dubious tactics the Democrats have tried to demonise Thaksin (arguably more so than is already the case) Jaturporn and the entire Red Shirt movement.

The Army Information command had also been busy working away in CRES during the "troubles" as can be seen by this document.

Lessons learned from Intelligence Operation: A Case of Intelligence Operation in an Urban Area (March-May 2010)" (Vol.60, No.1, pp.69-81

The hyperlink is in the original Thai language but a precis in english can be found here;

http://asiapacific.a...the-red-shirts/

Written by Colonel Boonrod Srisombat at the Army Training Command, The author describes how military intelligence operations (IO) were used to tackle the Red Shirt demonstration. IO involved the manipulation of information in order to increase the positive image of the government, hence justifying its decision-making and action. At the same time, it aimed to discredit the Red Shirt, especially the leaders, with negative images so that the Thai public would not support or sympathise with them.

Exactly.

Talk about propaganda, brainwashing and attempts to re-write history.

In the election campaigns it were also the Democrats who demonized the others.

Yingluck didn't talk much about the then PM, except that they had that silly idea of selling eggs by kilo. No bad words about the self declared reconciliation master Abhisit in her campaign, even after that unwanted and unelected Ex-PM caused so much suffer for Thailand.

Actually he still continues this strategy to paint the opponent most evil with that propaganda news that he got death threats from the "north".

Pretty sure other politicians of other colours getting their death threats too (even if they never came up with ideas like the life fire zone) but don't turn into drama queens over this.

Or handle it like that Isaan rambo, who got his nickname after he survived an assassination attempt.

[JetsetBkk]

Hardly surprising really. I hope no idiot takes him out. He was good for Thailand but the brainwashed masses can't see that.

He had two and a half year to convince the people to elect him "again" as PM. He failed. The people don't want. For obvious reasons and he is far from good for Thailand. And he is a loser.

Time to accept that.

No reasons for death threats of course.

<snip>

Just saying 'no reason for death threats' is close to accepting them

<snip>

Utter nonsense.

[rubl]

Hardly surprising really. I hope no idiot takes him out. He was good for Thailand but the brainwashed masses can't see that.

He had two and a half year to convince the people to elect him "again" as PM. He failed. The people don't want. For obvious reasons and he is far from good for Thailand. And he is a loser.

Time to accept that.

No reasons for death threats of course.

<snip>

Just saying 'no reason for death threats' is close to accepting them

<snip>

Utter nonsense.

The statement 'no reasons for death threats of course' suggest that what was listed were no valid reasons, but there might or could be other reasons which might warrant a death threat. 'no reasons' is like a mild reprove "don't do that, you naughty boy'. That's why I said that these threats should be condemned (in the parts snipped)

[hyperdimension]

You need to ask who is making these death threats, and why. There's always a possibility that the calls were arranged with payment by opponents. Some politicians (and former politicians) like to play dirty.

Edited August 16, 2011 by hyperdimension

[random]

of course he still get death threats after he is no longer pm, did all the people murdered under his watch suddenly come back to life suddenly absolving him.

He is clearly not the brightest penny if he though he could just walk away from it all,

[KhunBJ]

Well...in case he actually did receive threats then a more reasonable approach would have been to increase security if deemed necessary and to investigate the threats ... going public with it is not very smart as it will just encourage copy cats ... But on the other hand....maybe it is just to get a bit publicity ...

[KhunBJ]

Red-shirt propaganda has painted him as a monster, Hitler in disguise, with a 'kill them' tape to 'proof' it. Whatever you may think, had the government resorted to similar propaganda tactics they would have been justly denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries.

Just saying 'no reason for death threats' is close to accepting them, you should denounce death threats and condemn those who issue them together with the propaganda and the people fabricating that propaganda who have caused this.

It's not exactly been one sided propaganda, Rubl. I think you will find that the Democrats have "resorted to similar propaganda tactics' and possibly should be "denounced as comparable to Myanmar or some other 'nice' countries".

Through use of LM as a political tool, accusation of terrorism, manipilation of information in the Press and on Army run TV channels and various other dubious tactics the Democrats have tried to demonise Thaksin (arguably more so than is already the case) Jaturporn and the entire Red Shirt movement.

The Army Information command had also been busy working away in CRES during the "troubles" as can be seen by this document.

Lessons learned from Intelligence Operation: A Case of Intelligence Operation in an Urban Area (March-May 2010)" (Vol.60, No.1, pp.69-81

The hyperlink is in the original Thai language but a precis in english can be found here;

http://asiapacific.a...the-red-shirts/

Written by Colonel Boonrod Srisombat at the Army Training Command, The author describes how military intelligence operations (IO) were used to tackle the Red Shirt demonstration. IO involved the manipulation of information in order to increase the positive image of the government, hence justifying its decision-making and action. At the same time, it aimed to discredit the Red Shirt, especially the leaders, with negative images so that the Thai public would not support or sympathise with them.

Interestingly enough the Author also mentions participation by the "multicoloured shirts" (presumably some middle class Bangkok residents with a smattering of yellow shirts amongst them, basically anybody who is / was against the Red Shirts) purely self motivated, in posting "information" on the internet.

The author also believes that the cyber network of the "multi-coloured shirts" assisted this intelligence operation without any intervention from the state. The network became a new force in opposing the Red Shirt on the internet by distributing pictures and opinions through forwarded mails, social network pages and web boards.

Makes for interesting reading

Interesting reading indeed and exactly as expected ..

[rubl]

of course he still get death threats after he is no longer pm, did all the people murdered under his watch suddenly come back to life suddenly absolving him.

He is clearly not the brightest penny if he though he could just walk away from it all,

As k. Chalerm said in the run-up for the elections 'reconciliation, amnesty for all, but not k. Abhisit/Suthep of course'. Double standards, coupled with all red-shirts knowing that k. Abhisit said 'kill them' in a doctored tape.

Absolving is for crimes committed. It's only your opinion and that of indoctrinated PTV watchers. What crime did PM Abhisit commit? As PM he is ultimately responsable, but not as a person. Unless you want to put him next to former PM Thaksin for what happened under his watch? Those murdered in the 'war on drugs' and down South may have another opinion than yours.

All this my opinion of course :-)

Edited August 16, 2011 by rubl

[phiphidon]

of course he still get death threats after he is no longer pm, did all the people murdered under his watch suddenly come back to life suddenly absolving him.

He is clearly not the brightest penny if he though he could just walk away from it all,

As k. Chalerm said in the run-up for the elections 'reconciliation, amnesty for all, but not k. Abhisit/Suthep of course'. Double standards, coupled with all red-shirts knowing that k. Abhisit said 'kill them' in a doctored tape.

Absolving is for crimes committed. It's only your opinion and that of indoctrinated PTV watchers. What crime did PM Abhisit commit? As PM he is ultimately responsable, but not as a person. Unless you want to put him next to former PM Thaksin for what happened under his watch? Those murdered in the 'war on drugs' and down South may have another opinion than yours.

All this my opinion of course :-)

Nothing to do with death threats and so probably off topic but did you read the link about propaganda I provided Rubl?

[JetsetBkk]

Utter nonsense.

The statement 'no reasons for death threats of course' suggest that what was listed were no valid reasons, but there might or could be other reasons which might warrant a death threat. 'no reasons' is like a mild reprove "don't do that, you naughty boy'. That's why I said that these threats should be condemned (in the parts snipped)

I totally disagree and think you read way too much into it.

[random]

of course he still get death threats after he is no longer pm, did all the people murdered under his watch suddenly come back to life suddenly absolving him.

He is clearly not the brightest penny if he though he could just walk away from it all,

As k. Chalerm said in the run-up for the elections 'reconciliation, amnesty for all, but not k. Abhisit/Suthep of course'. Double standards, coupled with all red-shirts knowing that k. Abhisit said 'kill them' in a doctored tape.

Absolving is for crimes committed. It's only your opinion and that of indoctrinated PTV watchers. What crime did PM Abhisit commit? As PM he is ultimately responsable, but not as a person. Unless you want to put him next to former PM Thaksin for what happened under his watch? Those murdered in the 'war on drugs' and down South may have another opinion than yours.

All this my opinion of course :-)

Both abhisit and suthep refused amnesty

As for crimes, well that would depend on whether or not he gave the order to use live ammunition on unarmed civilians, as seen in other countries now round the world this is taken seriously, if he did not give the order then he should tell us who did, and if no order was given to use live ammunition then he can tell us who took it upon themselves to use it, and he could also refuse to get involved in the cover up that has gone on since the events, the trumped up charges, the misinformation etc etc etc. Also as you rightly say the buck does indeed stop with him, but as i say it does not matter if he gave the order or not, the order was given by someone and he is complicit in a cover up. It is either one or the other, he either had control of the country or he didn't, now is the time for him to speak up and tell us he controlled it and gave orders or tell us just who was running the country.

The Dem Government had the option to investigate thaksin for his war on drugs while they were serving their ill gained power, ask yourself why they did not do this, maybe it is because they were too busy trying to stitch him up with other matters, also it is common knowledge that most of those killed during this time were killed by other dealers.

One thing is clear, and I hope we agree on this, we are in a never ending circle until these people are made accountable whether they be dem or ptp, and until that day I guess, well i am certain, that both of us can find fault with the other side and point to numerous crimes that are just swept under the carpet.

[whybother]

Both abhisit and suthep refused amnesty

As for crimes, well that would depend on whether or not he gave the order to use live ammunition on unarmed civilians, as seen in other countries now round the world this is taken seriously, if he did not give the order then he should tell us who did, and if no order was given to use live ammunition then he can tell us who took it upon themselves to use it, and he could also refuse to get involved in the cover up that has gone on since the events, the trumped up charges, the misinformation etc etc etc. Also as you rightly say the buck does indeed stop with him, but as i say it does not matter if he gave the order or not, the order was given by someone and he is complicit in a cover up. It is either one or the other, he either had control of the country or he didn't, now is the time for him to speak up and tell us he controlled it and gave orders or tell us just who was running the country.

The Dem Government had the option to investigate thaksin for his war on drugs while they were serving their ill gained power, ask yourself why they did not do this, maybe it is because they were too busy trying to stitch him up with other matters, also it is common knowledge that most of those killed during this time were killed by other dealers.

One thing is clear, and I hope we agree on this, we are in a never ending circle until these people are made accountable whether they be dem or ptp, and until that day I guess, well i am certain, that both of us can find fault with the other side and point to numerous crimes that are just swept under the carpet.

I believe the order was to use live ammunition on armed protesters. The fact that some of the unarmed protesters supporting the armed ones got hit is probably their own fault.

[hammered]

I have always argued that Thaksin bore responsibility for the drug war deaths as he was head of the government whose policy the drug war was. It would therefore be hypocritcal of me to say Abhisit didnt as head of the government that decided to use amred troops to disperse the red shirts didnt bear responsibility for that. As for details of cases, it is up to investigators, courts and the judicial system to sort that out and preferably in an even handed unbiased non-political manner with cooperation from all sides. To date the investigation into the April/May events seem to be as succesful in finding truth as the ones into the drug war. In both cases the more neutral work of HRW etc is probably better to use for historical assessment

[random]

Both abhisit and suthep refused amnesty

As for crimes, well that would depend on whether or not he gave the order to use live ammunition on unarmed civilians, as seen in other countries now round the world this is taken seriously, if he did not give the order then he should tell us who did, and if no order was given to use live ammunition then he can tell us who took it upon themselves to use it, and he could also refuse to get involved in the cover up that has gone on since the events, the trumped up charges, the misinformation etc etc etc. Also as you rightly say the buck does indeed stop with him, but as i say it does not matter if he gave the order or not, the order was given by someone and he is complicit in a cover up. It is either one or the other, he either had control of the country or he didn't, now is the time for him to speak up and tell us he controlled it and gave orders or tell us just who was running the country.

The Dem Government had the option to investigate thaksin for his war on drugs while they were serving their ill gained power, ask yourself why they did not do this, maybe it is because they were too busy trying to stitch him up with other matters, also it is common knowledge that most of those killed during this time were killed by other dealers.

One thing is clear, and I hope we agree on this, we are in a never ending circle until these people are made accountable whether they be dem or ptp, and until that day I guess, well i am certain, that both of us can find fault with the other side and point to numerous crimes that are just swept under the carpet.

I believe the order was to use live ammunition on armed protesters. The fact that some of the unarmed protesters supporting the armed ones got hit is probably their own fault.

were the journalists and medics supporting the armed protesters, was the soldier shot and killed by his own men supporting the protesters, your comment is basically a nonsense, well done you.

[samurai]

I believe the order was to use live ammunition on armed protesters. The fact that some of the unarmed protesters supporting the armed ones got hit is probably their own fault.

Yeah, they run into the bullets.

[whybother]

I believe the order was to use live ammunition on armed protesters. The fact that some of the unarmed protesters supporting the armed ones got hit is probably their own fault.

Yeah, they run into the bullets.

The only ones that suggest that they ran into bullets are red shirt supporters.

[whybother]

I believe the order was to use live ammunition on armed protesters. The fact that some of the unarmed protesters supporting the armed ones got hit is probably their own fault.

were the journalists and medics supporting the armed protesters, was the soldier shot and killed by his own men supporting the protesters, your comment is basically a nonsense, well done you.

Nonsese? You don't think standing around and supporting people attacking the army is a stupid thing to do?

Certainly, some people got shot that shouldn't have done, but a lot of them only have themselves to blame.

[samurai]

I believe the order was to use live ammunition on armed protesters. The fact that some of the unarmed protesters supporting the armed ones got hit is probably their own fault.

Yeah, they run into the bullets.

The only ones that suggest that they ran into bullets are red shirt supporters.

No, it are the trolls who suggest the victims are to blame.

[phiphidon]

I believe the order was to use live ammunition on armed protesters. The fact that some of the unarmed protesters supporting the armed ones got hit is probably their own fault.

Yeah, they run into the bullets.

The only ones that suggest that they ran into bullets are red shirt supporters.

Actually you may find that Suthep was responsible for that comment.