Thai PM Appeals For Unity Amid Flood Crisis

[rubl]

But what about Suphanburi?

If Nick Nostitz wants a good story he ought to do some digging on why Suphanburi has been spared to the detriment of other locales.

Please explain more what you are saying?

Without the

it needs searching the complete topic to understand who you're asking.

Anyway, what is probably meant is that the older brother of the current Minister of Tourism Chumpol has an interesting history in Thailand. I refer to k. Banharn who's moment of fame in 1996(?) was a photo-op with then US President George Bush sr.

Edited October 19, 2011 by rubl

[rubl]

You make some fair points, uncle. But when a driver inherits a car, whilst he is solely responsible for taking any wrong turns, he may not be so responsible for the knackered gearbox or leaky fuel pipes that also contribute to overall performance. Those kind of underlying problems can be harder to identify and take longer to fix, if they can be fixed at all.

True, true, young master Hanuman. Still when the driver of a bad car has an accident, just telling the police "It's not my fault, I just bought this car from an honest car-salesman and it seems to have some problems" may not keep him out of jail. In most countries that is

[schuimpje]

1319018260[/url]' post='4776606']

Instead of pointing fingers, stick them in a dyke. If, that is, they let you.

Depending on the "dyke", it might give you some 'backlash'

[gk10002000]

Poor Thai people. So nice and gentle and usually following the buddhist ways. But the government always calling for "unity" and calmness. And this after coup after coup, throwing out constitutions. Sad to see the bold and aggressive taking advantage of the mild mannered people.

[AleG]

Yes Thaksin was the only Prime minister returned to office twice and his Sister won a landslide victory. What can we conclude? we are the white men here but that doesnt make us know what is good for the Thai people. Clearly they like Pheu Thai, Thaksin and Yingluck. Never mind the minority elite rich often Chinese Thais who favour a system where they get rich at the expense of the poor. Good luck to the Thais its their country if they like Thaksin its their choice not the white man's.

You are talking about the Shinawatra clan, right? One of those rich elite chinese families. Thaksin himself joked that he could hold the cabinet meetings (his ministers) in chinese!

[BigBikeBKK]

I'm annoyed that my home may be flooded because of incompetent leaders. I hope that when all this is over, the people realize that selling their votes to elect a government whose sole purpose is to repatriate Thaksin; which understands disunity and the blame-game more than teamwork; whose Ministers listen to the de facto Prime Minister in Dubai more than to Thaksin's clone who lacks courage and statesmanship qualities; which really hasn't a clue what to do in a crisis; which in spite of the crisis continues to divide the country behind the scenes by creating a Red Shirt Village Federation, by filling all key positions with Thaksin's cronies and family members, and by bringing in Robert Amsterdam to find ways to get revenge on the Army which the government needs to solve the crisis; was a very bad mistake. When the next election comes around perhaps they might use other criteria than silly and empty promises and money gifts to choose their next government. Have I missed anything out?

Wow, well said! Except that next election nothing will change- whoever buys the most votes wins. That's "Democracy" Thai-style... :jap:

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Actually, as has been pointed out before, the other Thaksin and his cronies -- many of them still involved in the current government -- had far more time in power than the recent Democrat administration, and they didn't have a near civil war/insurrection by the Red Shirts to deal with...

Most people aren't blaming Yingluck and Co for causing or creating the flooding, although the government's water management policies in the months before might be an interesting subject for inquiry in terms of whether/how those contributed to the severity of the floods.

But in the main, most people are complaining about what has been painfully obvious to almost everyone, Thai and farang alike: a totally disorganized, incompetent, flailing response to the flooding that basically left most Thai citizens to fend for themselves, and wondering what to make of contradictory claims and pronouncements by their supposed leaders.

And now a former TRT bigwig wants to start changing/directing the government's flood control policies such as they are... And what exactly are her qualifications to know anything about flood control or disaster prevention/mitigation?

If I were the PM, I'd be crying about now too, considering how poor a job they've done.

And I should add, if Abhisit had presided over exactly the same kind of fiasco, I'd be saying exactly the same thing about him -- except for the crying, probably...

Edited October 19, 2011 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Arkady]

"'Today I will frankly tell you the truth. I have left no stone unturned in this crisis but I cannot solve it alone. I need cooperation from all sides,' a teary-eyed Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra told reporters."

Pathetic.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

BTW, pretty much every night for the past two weeks or so, I've been watching the various Thai TV news shows in the evening, and seen countless clips of various folks doing sandbagging and various other forms of attempted flood control or relief activities

And of all those scenes, I can't recall even one of seeing any of the workers in an Army or Armed Forces uniform, and certainly none in police uniforms.... Instead, it's looked like lots of every day ordinary Thai citizens, men and women alike, none wearing any kind of uniform items or gear, probably living nearby and doing their best to try to protect their homes.

I've read and heard that there were some hundreds of military personnel assigned to the Ayutthaya industrial park flood prevention efforts that ultimately failed in totality... Other than that, can someone tell me what all the various Armed Forces units have been doing throughout this debacle???

[SICHONSTEVE]

What's wrong with pointing out this governments inadequacies!!!! I don't see that it makes us sick - if you ARE a red supporter then I have to question "who's not OK in the head".:jap:. If you ARE NOT a red supporter then what are you carping on about????.

You do not have to be a red supporter to disagree with a lot of the nonsense some come out with on here. Some of us do not support anyside and as such are not blinded and consumed by hatred of anything red.. Sitting on the fence some of us can see things a lot clearer,

What oftentimes goes forgotten is that the majority of people who berate this government and all it's prior manifestations broadly support the aims of the underpriveleged and those who might identify themselves as Red Shirts. They're the salt of the earth for the most part and many many do not get well served by government. Where we differ is down to who can affect change that can sustainably lift these people up and future generations too. It is the Thaksin cabal we rail against and I can forgive even some of the more recent arrivals here that don't get that. As their perspective fills out I expect they will.

Couldn't agree with you more!!!! Your take on where my sympathies lie are uncannily accurate if you don't mind me saying.

I don't know what country you come from, but back in England I was ( still am) a life long socialist and working class Labour supporter and voter. My natural affiliations in Thailand SHOULD be with Pheu Thai as the Democrats are much more akin to the tories (rival party to Labour) and party of the rich and privileged, whom I despise with all my heart.

Do you want to know why I support Abhisit and his Democrats instead of Pheu Thai??? There are 4 main reasons:

1). Thaksin Shinawatra (say no more)!!!!

2). The fact that Abhisit and the Democrats are intelligent people that know what they are doing and can manage the economy to the benefit of ALL people whereas Pheu Thai are making an "absolute pig's ear" of everything they do, touch and get involved in (as WE predicted they would).

3). The present government came to power under false pretences after bribing the people with populist poicies that could not realistically be fulfiled as their numbers clearly don't add up. How can you give, give, give and give as if every day is christmas and not take anything back and have a balanced budget???

4). The red-shirted thugs are not worthy of being in parliament and should be housed in another building and not sitting there with their"smug faces" signifying their misguided belief of their own self importance when they are NOTHING even close to be deserving of any right-minded persons respect.

There are others but I have to stop somewhere and its well past my bed-time!!! Goodnight all :jap:.

[letitbe]

BTW, pretty much every night for the past two weeks or so, I've been watching the various Thai TV news shows in the evening, and seen countless clips of various folks doing sandbagging and various other forms of attempted flood control or relief activities

And of all those scenes, I can't recall even one of seeing any of the workers in an Army or Armed Forces uniform, and certainly none in police uniforms.... Instead, it's looked like lots of every day ordinary Thai citizens, men and women alike, none wearing any kind of uniform items or gear, probably living nearby and doing their best to try to protect their homes.

I've read and heard that there were some hundreds of military personnel assigned to the Ayutthaya industrial park flood prevention efforts that ultimately failed in totality... Other than that, can someone tell me what all the various Armed Forces units have been doing throughout this debacle???

i suggest you ask Taksin and his puppet why they refused to let army help until now when its far to late

[nicknostitz]

Nick Nostitz has been most of the day wading in chest deep water taking photos of submerged estates, or on boats with the military in Navanakorn.

Nick Nostitz just knows that there is a huge amount of water, and sees people on the ground working together as good as they can, and people trying to laugh in the face of this mess.

Nick Nostitz is amazed at all the instant flood experts he sees here on Thaivisa, and how they all know that of course the government is at fault for all the water.

And now Nick Nostitz wants to have a rest, he just tried to have a look at updates on what is going on, and is forced to wade instead through post after post of moaning and miserable know-it-alls.

And please, don't get me involved in your diatribes.

The OP is about 'unity'. It's good to see that you participate and even trust your life to the military. Probably good choice, those boats of Minister Plodprasop are going nowhere

As for who's at fault, in any country 'we, the people' only blame the current government because that's the one in a position to do something. The previous government, if no longer in power, is not interesting. Those elected to be in power now are the ones with responsibilities and therefor are accountable. Nothing personal at all. Similar protests would have been voiced if the previous government would still be in power and was seen similarly incompetent. IMHO

(edit: add: on the 9th this month PM Yingluck spoke a very true thing: About prevention, Ms Yingluck says the government cannot prevent floods in all areas as there is too much water.)

I personally find it quite disgusting that some here on this forum have nothing better to do than to instrumentalize this tragedy for their own petty little political gripes. This is not the time for the self righteous gloating i can see here in almost every single post.

As they say - extreme situations reveal the best and the worst in people. This thread is unfortunately an example for the latter.

[Willeyeam]

Seven pages of the usual bitches bitching on Thai Visa, like the little cats they are, yet not one constructive idea as to how to avert this kind of disaster!

The Government has only been in office for four months! Do you really expect them to turn around a country that has been screwed over for hundreds of years in 100 days?

What government could have prevented this? More to the point, which government will actually do anything about it after the waters subside?

Give it a month or two, it will all be forgotten, everyone will carry on smiling like nothing ever happened, until the next time!

None of these rotten apples ever do anything for Thailand, they just line their own pockets and sit chirping like canaries on branches when something goes wrong, pointing their stinking shit covered fingers at anyone but themselves.

[AleG]

Seven pages of the usual bitches bitching on Thai Visa, like the little cats they are, yet not one constructive idea as to how to avert this kind of disaster!

The Government has only been in office for four months! Do you really expect them to turn around a country that has been screwed over for hundreds of years in 100 days?

What government could have prevented this? More to the point, which government will actually do anything about it after the waters subside?

Give it a month or two, it will all be forgotten, everyone will carry on smiling like nothing ever happened, until the next time!

None of these rotten apples ever do anything for Thailand, they just line their own pockets and sit chirping like canaries on branches when something goes wrong, pointing their stinking shit covered fingers at anyone but themselves.

Here's a constructive idea, they should prepare in case the proverbial fan gets hit and Bangkok floods. Now there's already a shortage of food and drinking water in the city, if the water starts rising it's only going to get worse. Are they preparing supply depots and organizing distribution centers for that scenario? Evacuation points? Anything?

There's 10 million people in this city and if it gets swamped it's going to be a catastrophe unless the government is ready to cope with the eventualities.

[witsawakorn]

What can we say? Is there anyone on Earth who would be able to fight Mother Nature when she chooses to take her revenge?

IT'S CALLED FORWARD PLANNING-----OR------ LONG TERM STRATEGY-------- Easy really if you have the money and USE IT FOR WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR------Dougal

Like New Orleans you mean?/

[witsawakorn]

What can we say? Is there anyone on Earth who would be able to fight Mother Nature when she chooses to take her revenge?

IT'S CALLED FORWARD PLANNING-----OR------ LONG TERM STRATEGY-------- Easy really if you have the money and USE IT FOR WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR------Dougal

Like New Orleans you mean?/

[rubl]

Nick Nostitz has been most of the day wading in chest deep water taking photos of submerged estates, or on boats with the military in Navanakorn.

Nick Nostitz just knows that there is a huge amount of water, and sees people on the ground working together as good as they can, and people trying to laugh in the face of this mess.

Nick Nostitz is amazed at all the instant flood experts he sees here on Thaivisa, and how they all know that of course the government is at fault for all the water.

And now Nick Nostitz wants to have a rest, he just tried to have a look at updates on what is going on, and is forced to wade instead through post after post of moaning and miserable know-it-alls.

And please, don't get me involved in your diatribes.

The OP is about 'unity'. It's good to see that you participate and even trust your life to the military. Probably good choice, those boats of Minister Plodprasop are going nowhere

As for who's at fault, in any country 'we, the people' only blame the current government because that's the one in a position to do something. The previous government, if no longer in power, is not interesting. Those elected to be in power now are the ones with responsibilities and therefor are accountable. Nothing personal at all. Similar protests would have been voiced if the previous government would still be in power and was seen similarly incompetent. IMHO

(edit: add: on the 9th this month PM Yingluck spoke a very true thing: About prevention, Ms Yingluck says the government cannot prevent floods in all areas as there is too much water.)

I personally find it quite disgusting that some here on this forum have nothing better to do than to instrumentalize this tragedy for their own petty little political gripes. This is not the time for the self righteous gloating i can see here in almost every single post.

As they say - extreme situations reveal the best and the worst in people. This thread is unfortunately an example for the latter.

I think you forgot to add "present company NOT excluded", unless you want to be more specific in who you want to put on one or the other side

[rubl]

Yes Thaksin was the only Prime minister returned to office twice and his Sister won a landslide victory. What can we conclude? we are the white men here but that doesnt make us know what is good for the Thai people. Clearly they like Pheu Thai, Thaksin and Yingluck. Never mind the minority elite rich often Chinese Thais who favour a system where they get rich at the expense of the poor. Good luck to the Thais its their country if they like Thaksin its their choice not the white man's.

You are talking about the Shinawatra clan, right? One of those rich elite chinese families. Thaksin himself joked that he could hold the cabinet meetings (his ministers) in chinese!

Those 'minority elite rich, often' Chinese Thai are still at it !

"Kittiratt to discuss flood crisis with Wen during trade visit to China

Petchanet Pratruangkrai, The Nation

Nanning, China October 20, 2011 2:00 am

Thailand will hold talks in Nanning today aimed at providing the Chinese with accurate

information on the flood crisis in the Kingdom, and to set out the government's plans for promoting trade and investment growth between the two countries.

Thai officials will present a plan to boost annual bilateral trade to US$100 billion (about Bt3 trillion) by 2015, building on the fast-growing commerce between the countries since a bilateral free-trade agreement was implemented in 2003.

Deputy Prime Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong will meet with Premier Wen Jiabao to express the Kingdom's deep appreciation to China for providing assistance during the flooding.

They may also discuss how China could help Thailand to recover after the flood waters subside.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra originally planned to lead the Thai delegation to meet the Chinese premier, but the gravity of the flood crisis has delayed her visit.

Kittiratt will also discuss the government's ideas for remedial measures after the floods, as it seeks to increase confidence among Chinese traders and investors in Thailand.

The deputy PM will also call on the Chinese government to support its state agencies in importing more Thai goods and increasing investment in Thailand. Under the plan, Thailand and China are targeted to expand two-way investment by 15 per cent a year from 2012 to 2016.

Nuntawan Sakuntanaga, director-general of the Department of Export Promotion, said the meeting would focus on how to promote bilateral trade and investment to guarantee regional growth.

China is Thailand's second-largest trading partner after Japan, and more trade and investment promotion will ensure strong exports to the giant market, she said.

Two-way trade between Thailand and China, including Hong Kong, totalled $49 billion over the first nine months of the year.

Kittiratt will also visit the eighth China-Asean Expo in Nanning this week as part of the strategy to promote Thai products to the huge Chinese population."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/Kittiratt-to-discuss-flood-crisis-with-Wen-during--30168099.html

[kkerry]

<br />BTW, pretty much every night for the past two weeks or so, I've been watching the various Thai TV news shows in the evening, and seen countless clips of various folks doing sandbagging and various other forms of attempted flood control or relief activities<br /><br />And of all those scenes, I can't recall even one of seeing any of the workers in an Army or Armed Forces uniform, and certainly none in police uniforms.... Instead, it's looked like lots of every day ordinary Thai citizens, men and women alike, none wearing any kind of uniform items or gear, probably living nearby and doing their best to try to protect their homes.<br /><br />I've read and heard that there were some hundreds of military personnel assigned to the Ayutthaya industrial park flood prevention efforts that ultimately failed in totality... Other than that, can someone tell me what all the various Armed Forces units have been doing throughout this debacle???<br />

I've seen at least ten army trucks with soldiers and sandbags working to shore up the flood defenses at the front of the village where I live on Wednesday alone. They've been at it for days. The first few days the village public address system would make announcements every time they turned up calling for volunteers to assist but the last couple of days there has been at least 50 people already waiting. At 9pm last night it was like Songkran, there were so many people hanging around.

Edited October 19, 2011 by kkerry

[gk10002000]

BTW, pretty much every night for the past two weeks or so, I've been watching the various Thai TV news shows in the evening, and seen countless clips of various folks doing sandbagging and various other forms of attempted flood control or relief activities

And of all those scenes, I can't recall even one of seeing any of the workers in an Army or Armed Forces uniform, and certainly none in police uniforms.... Instead, it's looked like lots of every day ordinary Thai citizens, men and women alike, none wearing any kind of uniform items or gear, probably living nearby and doing their best to try to protect their homes.

I've read and heard that there were some hundreds of military personnel assigned to the Ayutthaya industrial park flood prevention efforts that ultimately failed in totality... Other than that, can someone tell me what all the various Armed Forces units have been doing throughout this debacle???

Well, I would point out the recent New Orleans floods in the USA. The first thing the governor and military was send in troops to allegedly guard against looting and crime. None of the troops were sent there to explicitly help.

[kkerry]

I personally find it quite disgusting that some here on this forum have nothing better to do than to instrumentalize this tragedy for their own petty little political gripes. This is not the time for the self righteous gloating i can see here in almost every single post.<br /><br />As they say - extreme situations reveal the best and the worst in people. This thread is unfortunately an example for the latter. <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Couldn't agree more, and it's not only this thread. I wonder about the mentality of some posters here who would happily see all Bangkok submerged if it meant they could score some political points on the internet.

[GM1955]

Yes, I think we should have Farangs in charge of Thailand considering what a wonderful job they do taking care of their own countries.

Wait a minute....

Edited October 19, 2011 by GM1955

[ThaiOats]

I just want to say that I'm not a supporter of any colored shirt. While my opinions may seem like I'm leaning towards being pro-Democrats, it's only because there are only 2 options at the moment (just like the US). I would love to see the rise of a strong, game changing 3rd party come into play in Thai Democracy but that's highly unlikely since they usually get swept up into coalitions anyway. Last but not least, I am anti-Thaksin and of this government and for good reasons IMHO. Now that my position is clear...

Leading a country isn't a game and shouldn't be taken lightly. Did PM Yingluck think it would be just a walk in the park with no natural disasters, economic crisis, border warfare and etc.? I wouldn't be so hard on this government if Yingluck, while she was growing up decided to get into politics and wanted to steer the country into prosperity, making a difference in people's lives. If she researched on the responsibilities of being a Prime Minister and really cared about the people, then she should've declined being a puppet. You're doing the right thing if you don't get behind the wheel knowing that you're drunk or don't fly a plane if you've never flown one (or at least have taken lessons). Lives are at stakes, the country is at stakes. That's what she gambled with and that's what making me so disappointed in her, her government and those who elected her.

Those who elected her are just as responsible for the incompetence. They knew that a Deputy PM's son murdered a police officer (not some random thug) and got away with it through his father's influence. They knew that Thaksin cheated the country by grafting laws for his own benefits. And they knew that PM Yingluck had no experience what-so-ever in leading a country. These are all signs that say "Hmm... no.. I don't think these are the right type of people who we should elect to run our country", but what do Thais do? Lo-behold... ignorance.

The position many of the Anti-red/Anti-Thaksin posters have taken is that, they're not essentially Pro-Democrat.. but they're against this particular government. I sympathize with the poor and the red shirts too for wanting to be heard. I'd wear a red shirt too if the movement really was meant for Anti-Dictatorship and that there's a tyrant ruling over Thailand now with an iron fist. However, the movement is just to bring Thaksin back. Someone who has done the country wrong already. I doubt many Americans would want Nixon back to run the country. The picture is clear and simple... this government (and its previous master) has done wrong, has no credibility for the positions they hold, and is just incompetent. Just like it's common sense you wouldn't hire a plumber to build your roads, you wouldn't hire some thugs to run your country.

Finally on the flooding and unity. I hope people are not wearing red-shirts or yellow-shirts while they're giving support, that's just stupid. I don't understand why they can't just go out in regular clothing and do good without showing which political side they're on? So far I've heard only "The Red-Shirts will have a charity concert" or "Red-Shirt will collect donations".. why Red-Shirt. They're all Thai.. it should be "Thai People will have a charity concert".

[Colin Yai]

The prime minister admits the flood situation has spun out of her government's control

So it's every man, woman, child and granny for themselves, eh? It seems the Thai people somehow already knew that. I'm guessing Yingluck has never read the biographies of any great leaders throughout history.

Sorry but I was'nt aware she is a leader (a real one anyway)!

[Colin Yai]

I just want to say that I'm not a supporter of any colored shirt. While my opinions may seem like I'm leaning towards being pro-Democrats, it's only because there are only 2 options at the moment (just like the US). I would love to see the rise of a strong, game changing 3rd party come into play in Thai Democracy but that's highly unlikely since they usually get swept up into coalitions anyway. Last but not least, I am anti-Thaksin and of this government and for good reasons IMHO. Now that my position is clear...

Leading a country isn't a game and shouldn't be taken lightly. Did PM Yingluck think it would be just a walk in the park with no natural disasters, economic crisis, border warfare and etc.? I wouldn't be so hard on this government if Yingluck, while she was growing up decided to get into politics and wanted to steer the country into prosperity, making a difference in people's lives. If she researched on the responsibilities of being a Prime Minister and really cared about the people, then she should've declined being a puppet. You're doing the right thing if you don't get behind the wheel knowing that you're drunk or don't fly a plane if you've never flown one (or at least have taken lessons). Lives are at stakes, the country is at stakes. That's what she gambled with and that's what making me so disappointed in her, her government and those who elected her.

Those who elected her are just as responsible for the incompetence. They knew that a Deputy PM's son murdered a police officer (not some random thug) and got away with it through his father's influence. They knew that Thaksin cheated the country by grafting laws for his own benefits. And they knew that PM Yingluck had no experience what-so-ever in leading a country. These are all signs that say "Hmm... no.. I don't think these are the right type of people who we should elect to run our country", but what do Thais do? Lo-behold... ignorance.

The position many of the Anti-red/Anti-Thaksin posters have taken is that, they're not essentially Pro-Democrat.. but they're against this particular government. I sympathize with the poor and the red shirts too for wanting to be heard. I'd wear a red shirt too if the movement really was meant for Anti-Dictatorship and that there's a tyrant ruling over Thailand now with an iron fist. However, the movement is just to bring Thaksin back. Someone who has done the country wrong already. I doubt many Americans would want Nixon back to run the country. The picture is clear and simple... this government (and its previous master) has done wrong, has no credibility for the positions they hold, and is just incompetent. Just like it's common sense you wouldn't hire a plumber to build your roads, you wouldn't hire some thugs to run your country.

Finally on the flooding and unity. I hope people are not wearing red-shirts or yellow-shirts while they're giving support, that's just stupid. I don't understand why they can't just go out in regular clothing and do good without showing which political side they're on? So far I've heard only "The Red-Shirts will have a charity concert" or "Red-Shirt will collect donations".. why Red-Shirt. They're all Thai.. it should be "Thai People will have a charity concert".

Rock solid post ,my compliments.

[Colin Yai]

Seven pages of the usual bitches bitching on Thai Visa, like the little cats they are, yet not one constructive idea as to how to avert this kind of disaster!

The Government has only been in office for four months! Do you really expect them to turn around a country that has been screwed over for hundreds of years in 100 days?

What government could have prevented this? More to the point, which government will actually do anything about it after the waters subside?

Give it a month or two, it will all be forgotten, everyone will carry on smiling like nothing ever happened, until the next time!

None of these rotten apples ever do anything for Thailand, they just line their own pockets and sit chirping like canaries on branches when something goes wrong, pointing their stinking shit covered fingers at anyone but themselves.

How long was Yinglucks brother in charge?, 6years? he had plenty of time to sort this debacle out long ago . Edited October 19, 2011 by Colin Yai

[Colin Yai]

"There is nothing wrong with feeling the way many people are feeling at the moment. If you need to have a cry, you can rest on my shoulder, I am right there with you".

YOU are the silly one - this is absolutely rubbish!!! If you are the prime minister then you must set an example by being able to lead in adversity and not go running to the tissue box whenever something goes wrong.

She chose to put herself in this position, did she not?? She accepted the responsibility of governing the country, did she not??? It has nothing to do with the government "changing the goalposts" in order to ease her brother back into the country (simply another Thai national), does it not???

If putting herself through all of this hell (for which she clearly cannot cope with the pressure or responsibility) was for the sole reason of getting Thaksin back into Thailand then it would be a bit more understandable (although not acceptable) - but she has stated "that this was not a priority for her government" so she must accept the blame and get on with it!!!! No sympathy from me Yingluck, you have brought this upon yourself and must suffer the consequences, no matter how much you don't want to!!!!:jap:.

Of course Steve I can comprehend everything you write and agree 100%(almost) with your musings ,but let us try and be fair and in many ways realistic, this position she now hold,s was not of her own choosing was it? but her brothers who uses people like you and I use Kleenex to further his own monomaniacal lust for more wealth and power ,no doubt she is now regretting the moment that she agreed to be as putty in his hands.

She didn't seem to have any regrets when it came time for taking nearly one billion baht as her share of the Shin sale.

Nor did she have any regrets when she was placed several times as the figure-head boss of his companies.

Hard to have much sympathy for this middle-age billionairess when she readily accepts the rewards for being in the Shinawatra clan, but breaks down whenever responsibility and accountability are encountered.

.

Yeah Bucholz and Steve in no way do I feel sorry for her,I am merely remarking I do not think she really knew what she was letting herself in for and must be now deeply regretting her actions ,the main one of course was to get big brother back ,Thaksin uses people like throw away bic razors without a doubt, this time its back fired big style, as yinglucks credibility as a leader is at zero level , problem is many Thai's have short memories

[mca]

Interested to see your response to this - please keep it polite though!!

YOU are the silly one - this is absolutely rubbish!!!

Any Thaksin/red brigade sympathisers should admit their stupidity in sticking up for this lost cause

Steve mate. You do make me laugh. You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

Oops, my apologies.

Steve mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You DO make me laugh!!!!!!!!!!!! You're not exactly the sharpest KNIFE in the drawer are you???????????

There. That's better.

[chadintheusa]

People aren't worried about restoring morale, they are worried about saving their homes, not losing their jobs, and not dying from starvation, crocodiles, or from disease resulting from the flooding.

[mca]

And for the posters who seem intent on knocking the PM for crying. Aphisit cried during the crisis last year. ( And before the minutia-obsessed point it out-yes I am well aware he did it in private)

" But mca. At least he did it in private. Not in public where strength and resolve needs to be shown. But what can you expect from a woman"

There. I've saved some the bother of replying by replying to myself.