Incident At Massage Parlour

[Beetlejuice]

A few days ago I was in the main town of Chiang Mai and after a long tiring day shopping and paying some bills decided to go for a nice 2 hour relaxing oil massage.

There is a place; with no hanky panky that I have visited in the past and have always received a good proper massage, served with the hot tea and a friendly chat afterwards and so on.

This time when I visited, at reception there was the owner who is a nice lady in her mid 40s, a young girl at the desk with a baby about 18 years old, another young girl I guess was around 14 year old sitting next to her and 2 other women about 30ish that appeared to be staff.

So I asked for a 2 hour oil massage and was escorted by the lady owner into a dimed light cubicle separated from another cubicle by curtains.

The lady told me to undress and lay on my stomach then she walked out back into reception. So this is what I did and covered up my modesty with a towel that was not much larger than a facecloth, which was all there was available lying on the bed.

With my head down into the pillow in an almost pitch dark room the massage girl walked in. First thing she done was removed the small towel and proceeded to rub oil and massage my legs. So there was I, laying face down as naked as the day I was born being massaged. I`m not a prude, so if it`s alright with the lady, then I wasn`t going to complain. But all I really wanted was a normal massage with no extras, that was my intentions.

Then for some reason I turned my head and looked back. To my surprise the massage lady was this 14 year old girl. On that note, I swiftly covered my modesty with my overcoat that was beside me on the floor with the rest of my clothes and told her to leave the cubical. Then the girl just smiled and tried to continue the massage, so I resorted to raising my voice until she got the message.

I immediately got dressed walked out into the reception and confronted the owner, saying that I don't believe it is legal for a child to be massaging a naked man old enough to be her grandfather. Then I asked who is this girl? The owner replied; she's my daughter. I asked; how old is she? 15 her mother said. I responded by saying; than you should know better, what sort of a mother are you? After that I began to leave and refused to pay. The owner said; I must pay and then I said why don`t you call the police and you can explain to them what happened? She said no more and I walked out.

Firstly I was repulsed and embarrassed that a child was seeing me naked, secondly, I consider this as child exploitation and thirdly; this could have been a set up or a scam where suddenly the BiB crash in and I become the main item for tomorrow`s Thai visa news clippings section.

I consider what I done as the right thing, but afterwards it made me wonder, how many others have been set up this way?

It could have been all done in innocence, but this sort of thing does not appeal to me and also there is the legal aspect to consider and would never take the chance.

So beware and always keep your wits about you, it`s too easy here to become a victim by extortion.

Somehow I think that I am going to regret publishing this thread after some of the comments come flooding in, but I thought I`d share this with you nevertheless as a warning for those who maybe a little on the naive side and fall into the trap.

Edited December 18, 2011 by Beetlejuice

[PingManDan]

A Pedophiles dream come true, not to say you were looking for this, but thats why it is such a big business here in Thailand, mothers selling the children for sex

Edited December 18, 2011 by PingManDan

[cardholder]

I agree that is not acceptable. I have no issues with extras at massage parlours but these are no places for 14 year olds - even for a straight massage.

I agree that you will regret making the post.

[roamer]

TIT ? Doubt a shakedown. Stupidity and ignorance more likely. As you said, you've visited there before, maybe they thought you were a respectable enough client for her to learn her trade on ? Personally I would think twice about a massage parlour that only supplies a towel no larger than a facecloth.

No reason to regret the post, I've called you a few things in the past, pedo wasn't one of them.

[samran]

sounds like you did the right thing.

[Daewoo]

I am with you... I wouldn't let a 14/15 YO give me a straight massage as it is too personal for my mind, and too easily miscontrued by others...

But I perhaps from the owner, if it truly is a no hanky-panky place, in a country where traditional massage is taught at the Wat, and a proper profession and not necessarily seen as sexual in the correct venue, she just didn't realise...

You see the same thing in The West where all of the sports and remedial massage places have to write 'strictly no sex' in their adds, to ensure no misconceptions about their services...

Same as a 14 year old hairdresser, in a proper hairdressers place (not just a front) wouldn't be expected to raise an eyebrow...

Hopefully, if it was truly innocent on behalf of the owner, she will restrict the daughter to serving only female clients...

Cheers,

Daewoo

[monty1412]

I dont think you will regret this post, in fact I believe thanks should go to you for raising this issue or at least bringing some further awareness to this problem. Legally and morally you acted correctly.

I too had a situation where on a non boom boom massage for a back problem the girl seemed very young so i checked her ID first even though it was a legitimate therapeutic massage business.

Cant be too careful on this issue guys... Australian Federal police as with other countries have staff over here tracking down pedophiles and while non of the behaviours as per the OP's post or my comments above have anything to do with pedophilia you know that as older males we are deemed guilty first.

Last two massages for a locking back issue that i have had have been with a big ole mamasan... far safer and generally allot better as well.

[cardholder]

I am impressed by the maturity of response so far - I am happy that my fears of the OP regretting this post appear unfounded.

[Crossy]

I am impressed by the maturity of response so far - I am happy that my fears of the OP regretting this post appear unfounded.

Don't worry, I'm sure your fears will prove totally grounded once the usual suspects wake up. This thread has the potential go go belly up in a big way. We are watching!

Meanwhile, I agree with the OP's action. Whilst it's very nice to have a massage from a young lady (or even an older lady) there is a line to be drawn. It would have been wise for the boss lady to ask if you minded being used as a training device (assuming that's what was intended) and would have been advisable for there to be a supervisor even if only to ensure the little lady didn't rip your arm off by being over enthusiastic.

[Daewoo]

Personally I would think twice about a massage parlour that only supplies a towel no larger than a facecloth.

In my experience, Thai massage they give you those funny supersized pyjama things (I mean seriously has there ever been someone big enough to need a 340cm waist?). Oil massage they normally don't give you anything at all (I keep the Reg Grundies on)...

Best massage ever was from a 40 year old across the road from the Hotel in Udon... she was telling me how she had needed to call the police to evict a Swiss customer who got very agressive when no happy ending was forthcoming...

Never had a great masage from a girl under 30...

Cheers,

Darryl...

[Wallaby]

I am impressed by the maturity of response so far - I am happy that my fears of the OP regretting this post appear unfounded.

Don't worry, I'm sure your fears will prove totally grounded once the usual suspects wake up. This thread has the potential go go belly up in a big way. We are watching!

Meanwhile, I agree with the OP's action. Whilst it's very nice to have a massage from a young lady (or even an older lady) there is a line to be drawn. It would have been wise for the boss lady to ask if you minded being used as a training device (assuming that's what was intended) and would have been advisable for there to be a supervisor even if only to ensure the little lady didn't rip your arm off by being over enthusiastic.

Yeah those are my thoughts as well. But then again, what was the 'reason' for the girl to take off your towel. Somehow I think an innocent massage was not what she was thinking.

Good job to get out of there, I just hate the thought of how easy it is to get set up, and then the obligitory crucifixion that would have followed.

You did good.

[pauljones]

It's a good thing you didn't phone the cops.

The massage owner would have lied, and lied and lied to save face and colluded with the cops to drain your bank...

You could end up losing everything.

[guzzi850m2]

I also think that OP did the right thing.

Here in Pattaya I stopped using massage parlours all together as I can't out find which are "real" massages or which are with extra happy ending, LOL.

I also find it too intimate for my liking now that I am a married man.

I stick to foot massage where I keep my clothes on.

[ludditeman]

Same as you Guzzi

I avoid massage parlors because of all the potential for stuff like this, even in the respectable places.

Edited December 19, 2011 by ludditeman

[Daewoo]

I stick to foot massage where I keep my clothes on.

Come on mate, who are you kidding, 8 or 9 inches as best :lol: :jap:

[Ulysses G.]

Here in Pattaya I stopped using massage parlours all together as I can't out find which are "real" massages or which are with extra happy ending, LOL.

It is easy, if the massage area is entirely open with no walls or curtains and everyone can see what is going on, there will be no hanky panky. If there is privacy, most girls are more than willing to provide a happy massage and some will insist on it.

Edited December 19, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[craigt3365]

I also think that OP did the right thing.

Here in Pattaya I stopped using massage parlours all together as I can't out find which are "real" massages or which are with extra happy ending, LOL.

I also find it too intimate for my liking now that I am a married man.

I stick to foot massage where I keep my clothes on.

Agreed...but Healthland is pretty darn good. A bit expensive, but they also do couples massage. Fantastic.

The gal I had was mid 20's or so and was great. One of the best massages I've ever had.

[farang000999]

Moderators should delete this topic and the OP should contact the authorities or various NGO agencies who might be able to help the situation, perhaps alert the media. Posting it on Thai Visa will not accomplish anything positive.

[KeyserSoze01]

I also think that OP did the right thing.

Here in Pattaya I stopped using massage parlours all together as I can't out find which are "real" massages or which are with extra happy ending, LOL.

I also find it too intimate for my liking now that I am a married man.

I stick to foot massage where I keep my clothes on.

An option is go to Jomtien and get a massage on the beach under the palm trees while listening to the ocean.

[Beetlejuice]

Moderators should delete this topic and the OP should contact the authorities or various NGO agencies who might be able to help the situation, perhaps alert the media. Posting it on Thai Visa will not accomplish anything positive.

Agree and disagree. I suddenly found myself in a precarious situation I had no wish to be in and believe my quick thinking and immediate actions may have saved me from what could have transpired into very severe consequences for myself. As one poster has already mentioned, why did the girl remove the towel? In this circumstance I had to be extremely suspicious of these people and their intentions and to be honest the whole scene made me feel uncomfortable and I just wanted out of there.

I disagree that this thread should be deleted from Thai visa as this serves as a warning to others that they must be aware and alert as foreigners in this foreign land and to treat these sorts of happenings with caution. It could save some unsuspecting innocent customer a whole lot of trouble. I do agree that this massage parlour, which is also a broker for tours, should be reported, which shall be done and I have my own methods for doing so via my contacts in the police. Whether or not they act upon my information is another story and we will see what transpires.

To be honest of all my years in Thailand this is the very first time anything like this has happened to me and I didn’t like it one bit. I know that many of these establishments are struggling at the moment and maybe having a bash at clawing in the bahts through other more devious means.

Another point is that I was reluctant to mention this incident at all, I find the whole thing totally embarrassing, but don’t want this to happen to anyone else who by no fault on their part, suddenly find themselves as a victim of extortion or some sort of scam. I agree, the owner could just be ignorant of the facts, but I still do not believe that this practice is acceptable.

[autan]

I think there are 3 points to note here.

1)The OP could not have acted in a more honourable way, not only did he cease services as soon as he realised what was happening, but also refused to pay and brought it to the attention of the owner of the business, that the owner has acted in a illegal manner and placed the OP in an impossible situation whereby he could of quite innocently broken the law and become a guest.

2) The owner may or may not have been trying to scam him. I am not about to make allegations and neither should any one else, but it has been known in Thailand to introduce young girls to lets say "regular safe men", who after a massage may request from the man a donation to help with their schooling, if the man refuses (which would be unwise) thing can turn very nasty very quickly. Generally those who refuse are fixed up and well I am sure you can draw your own conclusions regarding what happens next,

3) Having any kind of contact with a girl or boy underage in any country in the world is wrong. Any information regarding massage parlours retaining the services of children should be reffered to the authorites. Let ensure as expats we ensure of children have a childhood. This isnt meant to sound preaching but I feel that Thais wouldnt exploit there children if there was a demand for them. Take away the demand, take away the problem.

[poanoi]

I only tried oil massage once and thought it was worthless,

but i have done traditional massage hundreds of times,

and what i would object to is the lack of strength that a 15 year ole possess.

I'm unable to see any sexual stuff in this

[aitch52]

Bravo Beetlejuice you acted with commonsense and honour

[aussiebebe]

I think the OP did the right thing and is justified in writing to warn others, it's quite a scary situation he found himself in so in my opinion he conducted himself well in getting out of it.

[MiG16]

I dont see any reason to close/delete this thread at this point

as long as we all keep the discussion on topic, straight and dont try to turn this into anything its not.

the OP had a worrying experience, is kind enough to take the risk of others manipulating his story in the interest of warning others.

so lets keep it that way.

cheers everyone.

[transam]

Moderators should delete this topic and the OP should contact the authorities or various NGO agencies who might be able to help the situation, perhaps alert the media. Posting it on Thai Visa will not accomplish anything positive.

Think your wrong, it's a good thread that will for sure make readers here look over their shoulder if going for a massage.

[smokie36]

Whether there was sexual intent there or not you will never know OP but you certainly acted properly.

My feeling is if this was an innocent error of judgement from the mother she wouldn't have been haranguing you for the money.

[boloa]

Sorry ,I just can't believe someone would go for a massage,be naked in a room ( apart from a small towel ) and not even look at the person before the massage is started.

[tfc]

While the intentions of the massage parlor boss is open to speculation the OP did the right thing 100%.

[dannyman]

No hanky panky,HOT TEA friendly CHAT ! K.O.!