2012 Formula One Season

[kartman]

Vettel correct decision, if you don't run your competitors off the track and abide by the 2012 rules no penalty's .

[F1fanatic]

With the Italian GP upon us, i thought i would watch Senna the movie last night. I assume all you guys and girls being the F1 fans you are, have already seen it?

Anyway, the way the movie climaxed showed just how palpable the tension was on that fateful weekend. As if a really big dark cloud had blown over the circuit. Extremely foreboding sense about it all. Hope we never have to experience a weekend like that one again. Awful.

I remember completely losing my interest in F1 after that. Still watched the races but it all felt so pointless. And then for things to end as they did in Australia... well that was the cherry on top of the cake.

From the lack of response, I guess none of us have seen the movie yet!

My excuse is that my DVD player has 'packed up', but I gather it will be shown on one of the satellite movie channels this month and I'm looking forward to seeing it then.

I only started watching F1 a couple of years or so later, but everything I've read/seen/heard about that awful weekend bears out your comments that I have emboldened.

Mosha - I agree about Monaco . Whilst I've no doubt its a wonderful weekend for everyone there, its generally a borefest for the TV viewer.

[Guest]

I kind of wish for Hamilton to make a deal with Mercedes (and McLaren to say no for his demands) for couple of reasons.

Firstly his management team XIX Entertainment wishes to make Hamilton an brand like David Beckham. I would not like F1 to turn to an fashion show where most important news are how did Hamilton comp his hear before the race.

Secondly the move would open another spot for other drivers to be part of the great team. Ferrari is likely to have an open seat as well.

[Chicog]

raikkonen would be the best to share a pint with..

He is about as miserable a bastard as you could ever meet. Conversely, a nicer bloke than Schumacher it would be hard to find.

all reports are the opposite is true. a drier wit was never seen in the paddock. Schumacer would not even be a close second choice.

i dont think i could spend even 15 mins with our louis though

I have met them both, and brother Ralf is a nice bloke, too. Haven't met Lewis since he moved up to F1, the ego appears to have expanded somewhat.

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[tinfoilhat]

Vettel correct decision, if you don't run your competitors off the track and abide by the 2012 rules no penalty's .

I disagree, it looked to me like Alonso was wide anyways.

As Alonso appeared to be behind Vetel the whole time, i think it would have been pretty hard for Vetel to run him off the track.

From what i saw Vetel held his line, no sudden moves, and Alonso was far more than a single car width out onto the grass.

[ignis]

Vettel correct decision, if you don't run your competitors off the track and abide by the 2012 rules no penalty's .

I disagree, it looked to me like Alonso was wide anyways.

As Alonso appeared to be behind Vetel the whole time, i think it would have been pretty hard for Vetel to run him off the track.

From what i saw Vetel held his line, no sudden moves, and Alonso was far more than a single car width out onto the grass.

Forget Alonso....... Track Monza Italy....... Car Ferrari Italian

[kartman]

Vettel correct decision, if you don't run your competitors off the track and abide by the 2012 rules no penalty's .

I disagree, it looked to me like Alonso was wide anyways.

As Alonso appeared to be behind Vetel the whole time, i think it would have been pretty hard for Vetel to run him off the track.

From what i saw Vetel held his line, no sudden moves, and Alonso was far more than a single car width out onto the grass.

Youtube - 19wolfpack90 has a comparison with similar incident 2011and how to handle it correctly .

[tinfoilhat]

Vettel correct decision, if you don't run your competitors off the track and abide by the 2012 rules no penalty's .

I disagree, it looked to me like Alonso was wide anyways.

As Alonso appeared to be behind Vetel the whole time, i think it would have been pretty hard for Vetel to run him off the track.

From what i saw Vetel held his line, no sudden moves, and Alonso was far more than a single car width out onto the grass.

Youtube - 19wolfpack90 has a comparison with similar incident 2011and how to handle it correctly .

as has been said it all became moot when vettel retired

[kartman]

Vettel correct decision, if you don't run your competitors off the track and abide by the 2012 rules no penalty's .

I disagree, it looked to me like Alonso was wide anyways.

As Alonso appeared to be behind Vetel the whole time, i think it would have been pretty hard for Vetel to run him off the track.

From what i saw Vetel held his line, no sudden moves, and Alonso was far more than a single car width out onto the grass.

Youtube - 19wolfpack90 has a comparison with similar incident 2011and how to handle it correctly .

as has been said it all became moot when vettel retired

So you can drive badly as long as you retire before the end of the race .

[ignis]

So you can drive badly as long as you retire before the end of the race .

Believe it is a way to have a new engine or gearbox without the grid penalty for the next race

[kartman]

So you can drive badly as long as you retire before the end of the race .

Believe it is a way to have a new engine or gearbox without the grid penalty for the next race

You can do that without the bad driving bit .

[tinfoilhat]

So you can drive badly as long as you retire before the end of the race .

sorry mate, i dont see it as driving badly.

All the video really proves it that the rules are unevenly applied.

[rixalex]

From the lack of response, I guess none of us have seen the movie yet!

My excuse is that my DVD player has 'packed up', but I gather it will be shown on one of the satellite movie channels this month and I'm looking forward to seeing it then.

I only started watching F1 a couple of years or so later, but everything I've read/seen/heard about that awful weekend bears out your comments that I have emboldened.

Hope you do get to see it. I loved it. Only regret is not having seen it in the cinema. People who did raved about the way it really worked in terms of giving you the impression of speed from the on- board shots, which sometimes i feel is lacking when you watch live F1 on the box. Having HD as we do now, certainly though has helped in that regard. My only fear now is having given it to us, True will suddenly and for no apparent reason, take it away.

[rixalex]

I kind of wish for Hamilton to make a deal with Mercedes (and McLaren to say no for his demands) for couple of reasons.

Firstly his management team XIX Entertainment wishes to make Hamilton an brand like David Beckham. I would not like F1 to turn to an fashion show where most important news are how did Hamilton comp his hear before the race.

Secondly the move would open another spot for other drivers to be part of the great team. Ferrari is likely to have an open seat as well.

Whatever you think of Hamilton, and it is very clear that many here hate him, very few disagree that he is one of the best in F1 right now, and F1 needs its best drivers up near the front. If you went back through history and replaced all the obnoxious arrogant drivers who were also down right fast, with salt of the earth well-rounded polite drivers, you'd be taking away a lot of character, a lot of excitement and a lot of speed, that makes F1 what it is.

I do wish though that all this negotiation stuff was left until the close of season. It's a nonsense for all this speculation to be ongoing in the middle of a season. Concentration should be on the racing. Hamilton and his management team all deserve a kick in the <deleted> and to be told to shut up. They are not helping themselves or anyone else with all this crap.

[rixalex]

Anyways, yes great race, but not for red bull.

Vettel's drive through was a <deleted> call i thought. Alonso went wide.

great drive by perez though. not what massa needed at all. the poor bugger has stepped up his game, but way too late.

maintain your tires indeed.

Yep Perez was star of the show. To get from 12th to 2nd was unbelievable. I think that was a career defining drive from him, that will guarantee him a decent seat in the future - not to say there was much wrong with his seat on Sunday!

Alonso came a close second. To get from 10th to 3rd on a track where overtaking is not the easiest, shows why he is the best allrounder right now, and i think easily favourite for the title. If he just keeps finishing on the podium, that may well be enough.

As for the Vettel incident, it looked to me a bit touch and go. Could have been interpreted either way. In cases like these, my preference would be for the stewards to not get involved. But they did, and i think Vettel has to take it on the chin - obviously much easier since he didn't finish the race anyway.

One thing about that incident that i didn't like, and this is by no means exclusive to Alonso - all the drivers do it, is the business of jumping on the radio and effectively asking for their opponent to be penalised. It kind of reminds me in football of players who wave imaginary cards when they want their opponent to be booked. Yes i know in F1 their is safety at issue, and it may be hard to hold your tongue if you genuinely feel your life was in threat, but it just comes across as being a bit snitchy. And in this case, not only that, but the fact that we are talking a Ferrari in Italy, Alonso asks for Vettel to be penalised, and then he is, makes it look like a stitch up, even though i think it is unlikely that it was.

Really it shouldn't be necessary for anyone to ask, whether it be drivers asking engineers, or whether it be team managers asking FIA, about an incident. FIA stewards need to ensure teams that they will independently look at any iffy situations and take action where necessary, and that there is no need for them to be approached by anyone. Perhaps in the past they have failed to look into situations when teams haven't complained, and so that is why all this stuff goes on.

Going back a bit but after watching that Senna movie the other day, i looked into the events that followed in 1994, leading up to that race in Australia where Schumi drove Hill off the track to win the title, and i saw a bit of information that i had forgotten about. That being that the reason why no action was taken against Schumi was because Williams did not lodge a complaint. I happen to think though at that time, it would have made no difference as stewards rarely got involved. But whether they would have or not, how ridiculous that they needed for the team to complain to do anything. Anyway, that was almost 20 years ago now. Stewards are a lot more proactive these days. Sometimes too proactive one might say, but i'd prefer that than to go back to the blatant cheating we used to have to suffer.

As for the "maintain your tyres" thing, you would think now with team orders being legal, they would just dispense with all the protecting sensibilities thing, and just tell it like it is. Does the team really think they are saving Massa's blushes, by sugar coating it?

Edited September 12, 2012 by rixalex

[kartman]

So you can drive badly as long as you retire before the end of the race .

sorry mate, i dont see it as driving badly.

All the video really proves it that the rules are unevenly applied.

2011 car on outside front wheel level with cockpit of inside car , inside car steers away allowing outside car to regain track .

2012 car on outside front wheel level with cockpit of inside car , jnside car carries on pushing outside car off track.

You need to take off your rose tinted glasses and look at the video again and as for uneven rules the rule did not exist in 2011, the video shows is how to race properly when you don't have the most competetive car.

Edited September 12, 2012 by kartman

[rixalex]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motorsport/19578977

RIP Sid.

[Mosha]

Qualifying is on 108 tonight.

[Sophon]

Qualifying is on 108 tonight.

And on channel 136 i HD.

Sophon

[Mosha]

So according to ESPN, Lewis has been offered a contract with a 30% pay cut. Any opinions as to where he might end up if he leaves McLaren? Ferrari is out

[LennyW]

So according to ESPN, Lewis has been offered a contract with a 30% pay cut. Any opinions as to where he might end up if he leaves McLaren? Ferrari is out

This story gives a good insight to many of the reasons involved........ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2012/09/hamiltons_tough_decision.html

Personally i would love to see Paul Di Resta take his seat at McLaren, that youngster has an impressive talent which was clearly evident yesterday - i live in hope!

[F1fanatic]

I wasn't particularly looking forward to Singapore as street tracks tend to be processional but, as this season has thrown up all sorts of unexpected excitement, I hoped to be pleasantly suprised. And I was!

Admittedly, the first half of the race was pretty boring, but after that it improved dramatically.

Bad luck for Lewis, but he impressed me by handling the disappointment well.

Massa had a great race - if only he would drive that way every race!

[Chicog]

Just been announced that Lewis is joining Mercedes at the end of the season. Perez is expected to replace him at McLaren.

[rixalex]

Just been announced that Lewis is joining Mercedes at the end of the season. Perez is expected to replace him at McLaren.

Contrary to what has been speculated by some, i don't think it is really about the money. For a racing driver, a few extra million pounds really counts for zilch if the car is crap. Suspect that a combination of Ross Brawn and the might of Mercedes are what has attracted Hamilton. Of course it could be a disastrous career move, but any time a driver changes team there is uncertainty about what the future holds, No guarantees in any of this. Anyway, will be interesting, if nothing else, to see how he gets on in a new team.

As for Perez, i think he has been the standout "rookie" this year and he really could be going places. Surprised that Ferrari didn't snap him up earlier. Should compliment Button quite well, and now that Lewis will be out the way, should give Button a chance to really stamp his mark on the team.

[LennyW]

Perez move to McLaren upon Hamiltons exit, pity it was not Paul Di Resta! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19755236

[Guest]

I must say I'm happy that Hamilton is moving to Mercedes. It's also nice to see how Hamilton and Rosberg will stand each other during the next year.

[Chicog]

I must say I'm happy that Hamilton is moving to Mercedes. It's also nice to see how Hamilton and Rosberg will stand each other during the next year.

Stand each other? They're good mates - they came through the ranks and GP2 together.

Contrary to what has been speculated by some, i don't think it is really about the money.

Yes, I'm sure a 15 million pounds a year, three year contract had no bearing on his decision.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Chicog

[rixalex]

Yes, I'm sure a 15 million pounds a year, three year contract had no bearing on his decision.

If you look at the finer details of the contract, including things like sponsorship deals and bonuses for race wins, championships, i don't think there would have potentially been much difference in terms of earnings between staying at McClaren and going to Mercedes. And as i say, these top drivers are wealthy enough, that they can make decisions based principally on which car can help bring them victories.

That year that Brawn ran away with the title, do you think any driver, with the benefit of hindsight, would have turned down a chance to drive that car, even if that had to go without pay? Of course not. Winning means everything. It's what the ego in all these men desires more than anything. Untold riches to be a lapped back-marker doesn't do it.

[rixalex]

I must say I'm happy that Hamilton is moving to Mercedes. It's also nice to see how Hamilton and Rosberg will stand each other during the next year.

Speculated that Hamilton has been assured of number one status so it will be interesting to see how their friendship stands that sort of strain. Pretty sure though they'll both be given an equal chance and it will come down to who does the business.

[rixalex]

Perez move to McLaren upon Hamiltons exit, pity it was not Paul Di Resta! http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19755236

Why are you so keen on DiResta? After quite a strong season last year, he seems to have been a pretty patchy this year.