Red Shirts Told To Fight 'Attempts To Unseat Govt'

[Skywalker69]

The red-shirt leadership urged supporters to fight what they claimed is the attempt to unseat the Yingluck administration through a coup d'etat or a Constitution Court ruling.

The latter is how the democrats did it last time, the former is what the PAD are proposing now.

Wouldn't it make sense for the opposition to work on their own platform and improving their perceived value to the Thai people in order to be competitive in the next election?

Buying block votes and making unrealistic lolly scramble campaign promises is a good platform? Put pressure on the judicarcy by broadcasting their and their families home contacts? Its a great model that the current band of Thaksins criminals have alright.

True democracy.

[rubl]

The red-shirt leadership urged supporters to fight what they claimed is the attempt to unseat the Yingluck administration through a coup d'etat or a Constitution Court ruling.

The latter is how the democrats did it last time, the former is what the PAD are proposing now.

Wouldn't it make sense for the opposition to work on their own platform and improving their perceived value to the Thai people in order to be competitive in the next election?

You again forgot the IMHO, dear Tom.

The latter is what a court decided after deliberations, the former is what you indicate the PAD is proposing. A coup, no less!

Wouldn't it make sense for the government to stop confrontational, anti-reconciliatory policies and actions?

[tlansford]

The red-shirt leadership urged supporters to fight what they claimed is the attempt to unseat the Yingluck administration through a coup d'etat or a Constitution Court ruling.

The latter is how the democrats did it last time, the former is what the PAD are proposing now.

Wouldn't it make sense for the opposition to work on their own platform and improving their perceived value to the Thai people in order to be competitive in the next election?

You again forgot the IMHO, dear Tom.

The latter is what a court decided after deliberations, the former is what you indicate the PAD is proposing. A coup, no less!

Wouldn't it make sense for the government to stop confrontational, anti-reconciliatory policies and actions?

I guess you forget what facts are.

Remember the court ruling that led to the Democrats taking power?

Did you not read the quotes (here on TVF, no less) of the PAD asking for another military coup?

The government is proceeding with yet another campaign promise, ... Rubl, in other words, that for which they were elected. You remember the election and the campaign platform, don't you?

[rubl]

The red-shirt leadership urged supporters to fight what they claimed is the attempt to unseat the Yingluck administration through a coup d'etat or a Constitution Court ruling.

The latter is how the democrats did it last time, the former is what the PAD are proposing now.

Wouldn't it make sense for the opposition to work on their own platform and improving their perceived value to the Thai people in order to be competitive in the next election?

You again forgot the IMHO, dear Tom.

The latter is what a court decided after deliberations, the former is what you indicate the PAD is proposing. A coup, no less!

Wouldn't it make sense for the government to stop confrontational, anti-reconciliatory policies and actions?

I guess you forget what facts are.

Remember the court ruling that led to the Democrats taking power?

Did you not read the quotes (here on TVF, no less) of the PAD asking for another military coup?

The government is proceeding with yet another campaign promise, ... Rubl, in other words, that for which they were elected. You remember the election and the campaign platform, don't you?

Allo, Allo, Tom. Please listen carefully, I'm only saying this once:

1. The 'constitutional court decision' was done by that court , not by the Democrats.

2. PAD seeks ways to prevent the government to enact bills to help one fugitive criminal. I haven't read that the PAD asked for a coup, only suggestions they want to provoke one which is not the same.

3. a reconciliation bill which only provokes both UDD and PAD to protest again doesn't seem to be much of a reconciliation bill.

4. UDD leaders (some who just happen to be Pheu Thai party list MPs as well) told their followers to fight attempts to unseat Govt, without a clear indication that some attempt to unseat the Govt.

5. etc., etc.

Good night

Edited June 7, 2012 by rubl

[lannarebirth]

And of course the PAD has no linkage to the opposition party. They did not endorse it in the last election (in fact thy clerly said DON't vote Democrat) and fronted their own candidates under a different party banner.

As for the PAD calling for a coup, I didn't hear that, but it wouldn't surprise me. They, like Jatuporn, are fixated on the idea.

[alanferdi]

In George Orwells book 1984, Big Brother spoke to the people via vidio link. He controled the people's hearts and minds that way.

Now the book is being used to control the Red Shirt people and we know who BIG BROTHER is.

He has told his supporters, that if people do not support us thay are against us they must be put down.

1984, is now 2012.

T the tyke is growling at his own bone. What does he not understand in democracy.... DEMO CRAZY

[maidu]

Lets make things quite clear here. It was the actions of red leaders who were inciting a crowd to illegal violence and arson that made matters worse. The Abhisit Government then contributed to the problems by trying to allow the reds enough leeway to end the matter peacefully. If Abhist can be blamed for anything it was not enough military intervention in a timely fashion, and indeed had the police behaved like police and done their jobs instead of disappearing, the Army would never have been needed for an intervention. Instead we were treated to comedy scenes from the Keystone cops such as the lardy one, Arisman escaping police custody by climbing down a rope!!

At the end of the day you can chastise a parent who's wayward rogue son has murdered someone, as maybe they could have taken control of the thug earlier, but ultimately, the thug is legally responsible for his own actions, he had choice. The reds had choice, and they chose a path of violence. It must even strike a chord somewhere with your intellect that it was remarkable that after the Government conceded to the red demands, the reds then changed their minds and no further demands were put on the table. The reds simply wanted a fight (the red leaders and red thugs that is), and sadly the poor and elderly rural farmers were cannon fodder to be sacrificed by their own cowardly leadership.

IF the lessons of 2010 are not analyzed and adhered to, then the re-run in 2012 could potentially be 10 times worse. The current situation is actually critical, and as you seem to lay the last problems at the feet of the Government, where do you lay the fault of the current problems?

Agreed. The only two mistakes Abhisit made during the Reds' commandeering of Bkk in 2010 was:

A. being too nice and patient while discussing a deal to ease tensions, and

B. underestimating the residual vindictiveness of the Reds and their leader/financier.

The uncooperative and unprofessional conduct of the (Thaksin leaning) Bkk police didn't help either.

Edited June 8, 2012 by maidu

[TomTao]

Its so sad watching these events unfold, any perceived threat to the current government is immediately met with the agitators stirring up the red shirt puppets to take decisive action against anyone who does not have the red mentality, if this government is serious about reconcilliation will remove people like Jutaporn from the spotlight and stop the mass incitement to hysteria, but this government seems to be more interested in putting big brother back on his his throne in his ivory tower than actually doing anything that will be of any actual long term benefit to the people in this country.

[tlansford]

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You again forgot the IMHO, dear Tom.

The latter is what a court decided after deliberations, the former is what you indicate the PAD is proposing. A coup, no less!

Wouldn't it make sense for the government to stop confrontational, anti-reconciliatory policies and actions?

I guess you forget what facts are.

Remember the court ruling that led to the Democrats taking power?

Did you not read the quotes (here on TVF, no less) of the PAD asking for another military coup?

The government is proceeding with yet another campaign promise, ... Rubl, in other words, that for which they were elected. You remember the election and the campaign platform, don't you?

Allo, Allo, Tom. Please listen carefully, I'm only saying this once:

1. The 'constitutional court decision' was done by that court , not by the Democrats.

2. PAD seeks ways to prevent the government to enact bills to help one fugitive criminal. I haven't read that the PAD asked for a coup, only suggestions they want to provoke one which is not the same.

3. a reconciliation bill which only provokes both UDD and PAD to protest again doesn't seem to be much of a reconciliation bill.

4. UDD leaders (some who just happen to be Pheu Thai party list MPs as well) told their followers to fight attempts to unseat Govt, without a clear indication that some attempt to unseat the Govt.

5. etc., etc.

Good night

you are more intelligent than that Rubl, come on.

[samt00067]

Lets make things quite clear here. It was the actions of red leaders who were inciting a crowd to illegal violence and arson that made matters worse. The Abhisit Government then contributed to the problems by trying to allow the reds enough leeway to end the matter peacefully. If Abhist can be blamed for anything it was not enough military intervention in a timely fashion, and indeed had the police behaved like police and done their jobs instead of disappearing, the Army would never have been needed for an intervention. Instead we were treated to comedy scenes from the Keystone cops such as the lardy one, Arisman escaping police custody by climbing down a rope!!

At the end of the day you can chastise a parent who's wayward rogue son has murdered someone, as maybe they could have taken control of the thug earlier, but ultimately, the thug is legally responsible for his own actions, he had choice. The reds had choice, and they chose a path of violence. It must even strike a chord somewhere with your intellect that it was remarkable that after the Government conceded to the red demands, the reds then changed their minds and no further demands were put on the table. The reds simply wanted a fight (the red leaders and red thugs that is), and sadly the poor and elderly rural farmers were cannon fodder to be sacrificed by their own cowardly leadership.

IF the lessons of 2010 are not analyzed and adhered to, then the re-run in 2012 could potentially be 10 times worse. The current situation is actually critical, and as you seem to lay the last problems at the feet of the Government, where do you lay the fault of the current problems?

Agreed. The only two mistakes Abhisit made during the Reds' commandeering of Bkk in 2010 was:

A. being too nice and patient while discussing a deal to ease tensions, and

B. underestimating the residual vindictiveness of the Reds and their leader/financier.

The uncooperative and unprofessional conduct of the (Thaksin leaning) Bkk police didn't help either.

Mark should have call in the army to shoot (rubber bullets) from day 1.

[waza]

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You again forgot the IMHO, dear Tom.

The latter is what a court decided after deliberations, the former is what you indicate the PAD is proposing. A coup, no less!

Wouldn't it make sense for the government to stop confrontational, anti-reconciliatory policies and actions?

I guess you forget what facts are.

Remember the court ruling that led to the Democrats taking power?

Did you not read the quotes (here on TVF, no less) of the PAD asking for another military coup?

The government is proceeding with yet another campaign promise, ... Rubl, in other words, that for which they were elected. You remember the election and the campaign platform, don't you?

Allo, Allo, Tom. Please listen carefully, I'm only saying this once:

1. The 'constitutional court decision' was done by that court , not by the Democrats.

2. PAD seeks ways to prevent the government to enact bills to help one fugitive criminal. I haven't read that the PAD asked for a coup, only suggestions they want to provoke one which is not the same.

3. a reconciliation bill which only provokes both UDD and PAD to protest again doesn't seem to be much of a reconciliation bill.

4. UDD leaders (some who just happen to be Pheu Thai party list MPs as well) told their followers to fight attempts to unseat Govt, without a clear indication that some attempt to unseat the Govt.

5. etc., etc.

Good night

you are more intelligent than that Rubl, come on.

Yer Rubl you should quote rummors as if they are fact too.

[maidu]

Imagine a country, far far away, that changes its government heads as often as some people do laundry - and each time the new government comes in to office, they spend most of their time enacting legal machinations which will excuse them and their friends from prior (and future?) crimes.

Whoops, it's not a fairy tale. It exists here and now - in Land of Smiles.

[gand]

PTP will cry coup and you are trying to unseat the govt and you are against democracy, unless they get their way, no matter how many crimes they commit.