who watched last night's match then? 5live's mike ingham and alan green were pretty damning of it. did hodgson really take the most in-form striker in europe and play him on the wing?

Yep...actually started him on the left wing!!! Had to accommodate the Roonpig (who apart from nicking virtually every free kick...and missing!) did sod all.

DS started on the left and played too deep. Moved to the right flank in the 1st half (switched with Raheem). Only really came into the middle when Lallana (who was v good) took over from Wilshere (who was v bad!). Although Schmeichel made some good saves, England only looked dangerous in the last 20 when DS moved centrally. Biggest problem for Woy is how to accommodate him without binning or moving Rooney who was abject! Doubt if he has the nerve though.

Hart done well, Jonno, Cahill, Smalling were not bad but there were a few dodgy moments. Cole and Shaw were both good (had a half each). Hendo was diligent but lacked spark. Gerrard was good especially 1st half. Sturridge did his bit and Sterling was MotM although Lallana was excellent in his cameo appearance. Rooney and Wishere were rubbish. To be fair, glass ankles did get Aggered early doors (was his own fault as he hasn't a clue how to tackle properly!) Screamed for a stretcher but then was up and running Lazarus like within a couple of minutes. Welbeck did ok but missed a 1 on 1 as usual, then Milner came on so I got my kindle out

i would imagine italy will be delighted to see sturridge line up on the wing against them in the summer. bizarre management that.

In other news...Uruguay were rubbish as well. Their defence is terrible. All we have to do is attack them and with or without Suarez, they are vulnerable. Will Woy have the balls to do it though, that will be the question.

English players are fundamentally thick. The game was played almost at walking pace at times, as they stood around waiting for someone to make themselves available.

I fear our campaign is going to consist of

Keeper - Cahill - Wilshere - Johnson - Cahill - Wilshere - Rooney - give ball away, goal, 1-0 down.

Keeper - Gerrard - Hoof - give ball away - goal 2-0 down etc.

Repeat ad nauseam

In other news...Uruguay were rubbish as well. Their defence is terrible. All we have to do is attack them and with or without Suarez, they are vulnerable. Will Woy have the balls to do it though, that will be the question.

I doubt he will. Mindyou the game plan will probably remain the same every game. Its 442 and there was a movie made about it a few years ago. Englands Brazil '14 will be similar to this bar the getting through the group stage.

i would imagine italy will be delighted to see sturridge line up on the wing against them in the summer. bizarre management that.

I very much doubt Italy care who we select or where we play them.

English players are fundamentally thick. The game was played almost at walking pace at times, as they stood around waiting for someone to make themselves available.

I fear our campaign is going to consist of

Keeper - Cahill - Wilshere - Johnson - Cahill - Wilshere - Rooney - give ball away, goal, 1-0 down.

Keeper - Gerrard - Hoof - give ball away - goal 2-0 down etc.

Repeat ad nauseam

nonsense that. players in this squad have shown on plenty of occasions that they are not thick. i think you might want to look at the manager for the way they play when on international duty. the walking pace and lack of ideas, dynamism and general clue is hodgson's standard operating procedure.

English players are fundamentally thick. The game was played almost at walking pace at times, as they stood around waiting for someone to make themselves available.

I fear our campaign is going to consist of

Keeper - Cahill - Wilshere - Johnson - Cahill - Wilshere - Rooney - give ball away, goal, 1-0 down.

Keeper - Gerrard - Hoof - give ball away - goal 2-0 down etc.

Repeat ad nauseam

nonsense that. players in this squad have shown on plenty of occasions that they are not thick. i think you might want to look at the manager for the way they play when on international duty. the walking pace and lack of ideas, dynamism and general clue is hodgson's standard operating procedure.

Rubbish, English footballers are rarely naturally gifted and they are mostly as thick as shit. If Gerrard hadn't been a footballer he would have been a milkman or something.

Anyone who thinks (or is it dreams) that England will be anything but an embarrassment in this years world cup really should take a long hard look at the stats over the years not to mention the (non) quality of the players. Who is this best striker in Europe then?? he's only a mere mortal compared to Diego Costa, Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi. Now if you were talking about Suarez maybe I could believe that but Sturridge, come on.

English players are fundamentally thick. The game was played almost at walking pace at times, as they stood around waiting for someone to make themselves available.

I fear our campaign is going to consist of

Keeper - Cahill - Wilshere - Johnson - Cahill - Wilshere - Rooney - give ball away, goal, 1-0 down.

Keeper - Gerrard - Hoof - give ball away - goal 2-0 down etc.

Repeat ad nauseam

nonsense that. players in this squad have shown on plenty of occasions that they are not thick. i think you might want to look at the manager for the way they play when on international duty. the walking pace and lack of ideas, dynamism and general clue is hodgson's standard operating procedure.

Rubbish, English footballers are rarely naturally gifted and they are mostly as thick as shit. If Gerrard hadn't been a footballer he would have been a milkman or something.

utter generalising horseshit. and <deleted> sneering as well to be honest. there are and always have been plenty of technically-gifted, intelligent english footballers - intelligent at football that is, nobody's asking them to sit the oxford entrance exam - and so what if he had ended up a milkman? something wrong with doing that for a living?

Anyone who thinks (or is it dreams) that England will be anything but an embarrassment in this years world cup really should take a long hard look at the stats over the years not to mention the (non) quality of the players. Who is this best striker in Europe then?? he's only a mere mortal compared to Diego Costa, Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi. Now if you were talking about Suarez maybe I could believe that but Sturridge, come on.

on this season's form and goals per games, sturridge is up there with anyone.

English players are fundamentally thick. The game was played almost at walking pace at times, as they stood around waiting for someone to make themselves available.

I fear our campaign is going to consist of

Keeper - Cahill - Wilshere - Johnson - Cahill - Wilshere - Rooney - give ball away, goal, 1-0 down.

Keeper - Gerrard - Hoof - give ball away - goal 2-0 down etc.

Repeat ad nauseam

nonsense that. players in this squad have shown on plenty of occasions that they are not thick. i think you might want to look at the manager for the way they play when on international duty. the walking pace and lack of ideas, dynamism and general clue is hodgson's standard operating procedure.

Rubbish, English footballers are rarely naturally gifted and they are mostly as thick as shit. If Gerrard hadn't been a footballer he would have been a milkman or something.

utter generalising horseshit. and fuc_king sneering as well to be honest. there are and always have been plenty of technically-gifted, intelligent english footballers - intelligent at football that is, nobody's asking them to sit the oxford entrance exam - and so what if he had ended up a milkman? something wrong with doing that for a living?

Bring back the milkman.

utter generalising horseshit. and fuc_king sneering as well to be honest. there are and always have been plenty of technically-gifted, intelligent english footballers - intelligent at football that is, nobody's asking them to sit the oxford entrance exam - and so what if he had ended up a milkman? something wrong with doing that for a living?

"plenty of" you're the one talking out of your rear end and you know it.

I wish it were not true, and we had better footballers in England, but I'm afraid you know as well as I do that we'll be lucky to even draw a game in that group, let alone win one.

There isn't a manager on the planet that could make a silk purse out of that sow's ear, with the possible exception of Otto Rehhagel.

This man is a f*&kin tactical genius

English players are fundamentally thick. The game was played almost at walking pace at times, as they stood around waiting for someone to make themselves available.

I fear our campaign is going to consist of

Keeper - Cahill - Wilshere - Johnson - Cahill - Wilshere - Rooney - give ball away, goal, 1-0 down.

Keeper - Gerrard - Hoof - give ball away - goal 2-0 down etc.

Repeat ad nauseam

nonsense that. players in this squad have shown on plenty of occasions that they are not thick. i think you might want to look at the manager for the way they play when on international duty. the walking pace and lack of ideas, dynamism and general clue is hodgson's standard operating procedure.

Rubbish, English footballers are rarely naturally gifted and they are mostly as thick as shit. If Gerrard hadn't been a footballer he would have been a milkman or something.

And if Les Dawson knew more than one mother in law joke, he would have been a comedian. You leave him for dead Chics.

Gerrard falls into that rare category of naturally gifted. But he's no rocket surgeon.

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Gerrard falls into that rare category of naturally gifted. But he's no rocket surgeon.

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Now you have definitely lost me (it). You talkin Science or medicine....or just gettin a bit confused? Maybe you should stick to demonstrating how that supremely naturally gifted, fabulously intelligent French donkey Giroud is better than Sturridge.

Look we aren't going to win world cup matches relying on an aging gerrard lobbing it forward for sturridge and sterling to chase. And we have no other game. Did you see how many backpasses we played against an inexperienced and pretty crap Denmark? If you want a serious duscussion, stop talking shit. Why do you think the Madrids Barcas, Bayerns and Juves aren't queuing up to buy England internationals? Let me spell it out for you: They aren't good enough.

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Excuses the typos, mobile kbd.

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"rocket surgeon" Blamin your mobile for that. We all know England have no chance in the World Cup because a) they are not good enough and they possibly have the worst manager in the world. But you still havent answered the question I posed. And as to a serious discussion with a guy whose team has just hit their usual end of season wall, I don't think so

Wanna tell me me who got the most pts in the prem from Jan 1st 2013 until the end of the season, chang boy?

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Did you win it....no. Were you kicked out of the remaining cups by Bayern and errr Blackburn...Yes. Well played Arse, good end to the season

Yes and give me the same points total I'd I'd be happy.

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ps chics. Tell Wilshere he needs to learn how to tackle properly. He is not a hard tw#t and the sooner he learns it, the better for him, Arsenal...and England too! Bye bye glass ankles

Not arguing with that. Said the same thing earlier to mates that know football.

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Good old Arseole fans

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Look we aren't going to win world cup matches relying on an aging gerrard lobbing it forward for sturridge and sterling to chase. And we have no other game. Did you see how many backpasses we played against an inexperienced and pretty crap Denmark? If you want a serious duscussion, stop talking shit. Why do you think the Madrids Barcas, Bayerns and Juves aren't queuing up to buy England internationals? Let me spell it out for you: They aren't good enough.

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you're still talking about tactics and managerial influence though, not individual player ability. let alone their <deleted> IQ. you're all over the place.

The players are crap and clueless. How does the above contradict that?

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Gerrard falls into that rare category of naturally gifted. But he's no rocket surgeon.

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Now you have definitely lost me (it). You talkin Science or medicine....or just gettin a bit confused? Maybe you should stick to demonstrating how that supremely naturally gifted, fabulously intelligent French donkey Giroud is better than Sturridge.

Did you go to the same school as Gerrard?

Good old Arseole fans

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiDvgFZCEAA6oCT.png:large

I think you'll find that that was a sad Scouse attempt at humour actually.