Can Coming To Thailand Make You Bisexual?

[tropo]

So a random (though in the majority) self-identified gay is not attracted to a male person( with a male body +/- breasts) because the ladyboy presents and acts female. But will be male when naked......

You're way behind the times. A ladyboy will not be male when naked. Apart from the penis, they will appear female. Do you have any idea of how many surgical and non-surgical procedures are available to transsexuals these days... apart from the female hormones they have at their disposal.

[callofduty]

frankly i would have expected the gay forum posters to be more encouraging of those taking their first baby steps at coming out of the closet instead of adding more confusion with this "really is hetro" nonsense...

The reason why they do not is because what you say is pure nonsense. Don't you think the gay community would be aware of gays who do ladyboys or guys who do ladyboys graduating onto real men?

The gay community (and others) operate from a point of empathy, sympathy and pandering towards the gender struggle of the ladyboy. which is great, i get it ... its kind and all that but at the expense of the reality ? no thanks

[ttelise]

No, gay already. Many live normal lives, marry have kids, and etc. Is so they say, buy in reality probably not happy, don't do the wife any more and have twisted fantasies they don't admit.

Is this one of those someone I know or I had a friends posts. . . .

[bobbin]

So a random (though in the majority) self-identified gay is not attracted to a male person( with a male body +/- breasts) because the ladyboy presents and acts female. But will be male when naked......

You're way behind the times. A ladyboy will not be male when naked. Apart from the penis, they will appear female. Do you have any idea of how many surgical and non-surgical procedures are available to transsexuals these days... apart from the female hormones they have at their disposal.

Thanks to the internet and torrents and Kink.com, I have an excellent idea of what several of them look like! Kink just started a new website called TS P----Hunters.

And you know what? Something stands out!

What? Hey, it's free! (am i allowed to say that?)

[tropo]

So a random (though in the majority) self-identified gay is not attracted to a male person( with a male body +/- breasts) because the ladyboy presents and acts female. But will be male when naked......

You're way behind the times. A ladyboy will not be male when naked. Apart from the penis, they will appear female. Do you have any idea of how many surgical and non-surgical procedures are available to transsexuals these days... apart from the female hormones they have at their disposal.

Thanks to the internet and torrents and Kink.com, I have an excellent idea of what several of them look like! Kink just started a new website called TS P----Hunters.

And you know what? Something stands out!

What? Hey, it's free! (am i allowed to say that?)

I didn't realise you were into this type of porn.

I don't think you'll find any regular guys with bodies like those you see in ladyboy porn. Most expats appear pregnant with man boobs - but they're not female or expecting a baby. Many have more estrogen circulating in their blood than regular females. Sure, you're talking about an appendage - I'm talking about hormones.

[moto77]

Still looking for an answer to this question:

If this guy seriously claims to be a woman, and--for whatever reason--John Doe is sexually attracted to him, is John Doe gay?

http://www.planetugl...glymen_0017.jpg

I have not see the picture in the link, but you need to ask yourself how serious is the claim? Would the claim be taken seriously by other people?

So in other words, the only thing that matters is whether the ladyboy is a "good quality" ladyboy?

Where do you draw the line on that exactly?

If the ladyboy is a "6" or better you are not gay, but if the lady boy is a "5" or lower you are gay?

In other words, "If the lady boy is good enough that I fool myself into believing that I am not gay..."

I think you're getting somewhere.

If you're asking: where to draw the line between homosexuality and heterosexuality, than you appear to discover that this line is incredible hard to draw, because gender (which is related to sexuality) is a continuum, as seen on the example of transgendered people. The further the person --you are attracted to-- has moved on the continuum of gender towards the opposite gender, the less likely it is that you're "homosexual".

Get it?

It's not that hard... it seems quite ridiculous to draw the line at how the opposite party "appears". (e.g. beautiful, ugly, etc.) Gender is not a continuum to 99% of the population. Gender is male/female. In fact, I'll bet you can find that in the dictionary. Just as you--apparantly--find it quite ridiculous to say that someone that was in love with the guy in the photo was anything but gay, most of the rest of us feel exactly the same way, but we draw the line at biology.

I do not draw the line religiously (as I am atheist) and I completely support gay marriage. I just find it silly to say that someone that is sexually attracted to a male that dresses/acts/feels/etc. like a woman as anything other than a gay male--yes, with a transsexual/transvestite fetish.

[moto77]

I'm a 60 years old man and attracted to thai ladyboys for a few years only. Have wife and a very active sex life with her. Hiowever like to have sex with ladyboy for time to time. Not ike gay and sure are not homosexual. most probably bi. My lady knows about that. Believe any preferences in sexuality should be accepted. Than you for taking my thougths into consideration. Good luck and take care.

Yes, that's bisexual for sure. I don't know why anyone here has a problem with that. I think some of these people secretly have a problem with homosexuality/bisexuality and cannot admit that that is THEM.

[Somtamnication]

It can indeed make you bisexual.

I am not only a heterosexual, I am also a lesbian. Proof positive shit happens in Thailand!

[LivinLOS]

Men who actually self identify as homosexuals are for the MOST part not the slightest bit interested sexually in ladies or ladyboys. Homo means same. Ladyboys present as opposite. Of course there are always exceptions.

What people self identify with is not relevant. Because of an (undue) stigma against being gay people still would often rather not self identify and come out of the closet, but that doesnt change the fact it was and is genetically a bloke.. Is it 'less gay' to go with a fully post op highly successful feminine Kathoey ?? Possibly.. But its still not by most straight guys definition of the issue 100% straight.. So Bisexual probably fits as well as any.

On the topic of self identification.. I remember a TV show, worlds scariest prisons or worlds hardest gangs type of show.. They had this horror of a murderer and rapist explain how he selects his girlfriends inside the prison etc.. When the interviewer asked him if he thought of himself as gay he nearly flipped.. "I am not gay.. They are gay.. I am fuc_king them" etc.. Just because he self identifies that hes 'not gay' doesnt make it true.

[Payboy]

Not all ladyboys have a penis.

I'm guessing they do get one or two by bedtime.

Edited August 20, 2012 by Payboy

[moto77]

Men who actually self identify as homosexuals are for the MOST part not the slightest bit interested sexually in ladies or ladyboys. Homo means same. Ladyboys present as opposite. Of course there are always exceptions.

What people self identify with is not relevant. Because of an (undue) stigma against being gay people still would often rather not self identify and come out of the closet, but that doesnt change the fact it was and is genetically a bloke.. Is it 'less gay' to go with a fully post op highly successful feminine Kathoey ?? Possibly.. But its still not by most straight guys definition of the issue 100% straight.. So Bisexual probably fits as well as any.

On the topic of self identification.. I remember a TV show, worlds scariest prisons or worlds hardest gangs type of show.. They had this horror of a murderer and rapist explain how he selects his girlfriends inside the prison etc.. When the interviewer asked him if he thought of himself as gay he nearly flipped.. "I am not gay.. They are gay.. I am fuc_king them" etc.. Just because he self identifies that hes 'not gay' doesnt make it true.

Exactly.

Some gay males find masculine males attractive and effeminate males and ladyboys unattractive. Some gay males fine effeminate men attractive and masculine men and ladyboys unattractive. Some gay males find ladyboys attractive and effeminate men and masculine men unattractive. Some find them all attractive. Some find women attractive too, and are therefore bisexual.

It doesn't matter. If the person is physically male and you are attracted to them, you are homosexual (or bi- if you also like people who are physically female).

[carvets]

I'm a 60 years old man and attracted to thai ladyboys for a few years only. Have wife and a very active sex life with her. Hiowever like to have sex with ladyboy for time to time. Not ike gay and sure are not homosexual. most probably bi. My lady knows about that. Believe any preferences in sexuality should be accepted. Than you for taking my thougths into consideration. Good luck and take care.

Yes, that's bisexual for sure. I don't know why anyone here has a problem with that. I think some of these people secretly have a problem with homosexuality/bisexuality and cannot admit that that is THEM.

I dont have a problem with that ,...but your assertion that its " bisexual for sure " is way out of line. You are no authority,its just your opinion and should be stated as such.

[Semper]

According to the number of views, makes one wonder if the op has a point in his question.

[LivinLOS]

So a random (though in the majority) self-identified gay is not attracted to a male person( with a male body +/- breasts) because the ladyboy presents and acts female. But will be male when naked......

You're way behind the times. A ladyboy will not be male when naked. Apart from the penis, they will appear female. Do you have any idea of how many surgical and non-surgical procedures are available to transsexuals these days... apart from the female hormones they have at their disposal.

Yeah apart from the hairy <deleted> shes quite feminine ??

I mean.. Its a bit of a get out clause there.

[travelmann]

How many ladyboys have girlfriends?

lol never would of thought of that.

There must be some, so what do you call them...............it all seems a bit daft though really

[Nigel1500]

The answer to your question is simple:

No !

There is nothing in the air, Thai food, or water to pique your friend's interest in Ladyboys. You friend is the way he is for other reasons. It may be curiousity or it may be something more. Some men detest the whole scene, others just simply want to know about it, but not partake in it.

He has is own reasons ... and his own moral obligations too !!!

[tropo]

Yeah apart from the hairy <deleted> shes quite feminine ??

I mean.. Its a bit of a get out clause there.

What kind of clause would you call that? <deleted>, of course. (Hairy <deleted> on a ladyboy?)

[pxlgirl]

(...). Transgender people FEEL that inside they were born in the wrong sex. (...)

The people you're referring to are called transsexuals, as the psychological identity develops before the physical gender. So it's obvious, that there might occur a mismatch in some cases. Therefore, they have to undergo a gender-change (the right word would be actually gender-adjustment) in order to be in the right body. This is a serious medical condition and costs for the surgery are even covered by health care in some western countries.

This however, has not much to do with "Transgender", those are people seem to have some sort of identity problem/disorder with their gender (role) for whatever reason, hence they choose to act whatever they think is right.

[Fishface]

In the north of England where I come from your a puff if you wear a rain coat.

[bangkokrick]

In the north of England where I come from your a puff if you wear a rain coat.

In the North of England where I come from you are called a 'Flasher' if you wear a rain coat.

[lu1]

my first post might be not complete and therefore would like to amend by "happy to be bisexual". Feel good about and enjoy it. Open and honest with my sexual options.

[Singlebarrel]

Is he pitching or catching? and wouldnt this be better in the gay section of TV?

Ladyboy topics about straight men being into ladyboys are not gay forum topics.

Into ladyboys?

Maybe he want the cream pie and eat it too.... I agree with the other poster maybe he been in a closet for a long time, but here he has both worlds (top & bottom parts)

[tropo]

Forward the video to 2:00.

Does your wife or GF look this good?

... and don't the Thais have a great sense of humour...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYiC1R6-tgw

Edited August 20, 2012 by tropo

[pxlgirl]

The girl in the docu is transsexual. She is a woman, she's undergone surgery. And btw, they can have different sexual orientations.

Edited August 20, 2012 by pxlgirl

[tropo]

The girl in the docu is transsexual. She is a woman, she's undergone surgery. And btw, they can have different sexual orientations.

You're a genius - she's transsexual. That's what all ladyboys are, pre or post op.

According to Thai law she is male and travels on a male passport. In the video it is mentioned that in GB they can change your legal sex before the op.

BTW, your btw is nonsense.

[pxlgirl]

BTW, your btw is nonsense.

Grammar-nazi-ish, are we? Lowercases are also common in chat-slang, so chillax. Back to topic though, not all ladyboys are transsexuals, as some do not undergo surgery. The difference between transgender and transexual is that the first is a matter of choice, while the latter is not.

[Morakot]

I completely support gay marriage.

Many congratulations!

[tropo]

Grammar-nazi-ish, are we? Lowercases are also common in chat-slang, so chillax. Back to topic though, not all ladyboys are transsexuals, as some do not undergo surgery. The difference between transgender and transexual is that the first is a matter of choice, while the latter is not.

Nothing to do with grammer or case. The point was that all ladyboys are transsexuals and all transsexuals are ladyboys and they all have the same sexual orientation.

"Ladyboys" is merely a slang used by foreigners in Thailand to denote transsexuals.

Edited August 20, 2012 by tropo

[thenervoussurgeon]

This documentry is the one where they say that many ladyboys return to being men and there is a high suicide rate ,also the one in the begining who asks "am i a man ,do i look like a man" has a tomboy girlfriend. ,so is she a man or a lesbian ,ime confused.

[Morakot]

The girl in the docu is transsexual. She is a woman, she's undergone surgery. And btw, they can have different sexual orientations.

You're a genius - she's transsexual. That's what all ladyboys are, pre or post op.

That's not always the case. Some transgendered people do not transform their sexuality. For example, there are some who have transgendered from male to female, but kept their sexual orientation towards girls, as they turned "lesbian".

Edited August 20, 2012 by Morakot