MiG16 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 The situation in the south is complicated. I won't claim to understand or even be able to hazard a guess as to the why or the aim or the who. But it is certainly not a isolated cause of either religion,separatist movement. As others have pointed, the deceased seems to have a Muslim name so can't really put this one down to attack on Buddhism. And to those using words like ethnic cleansing, I would say that's far from what's happening in the deep south. But do keep in mind that it has always been a Muslim majority in that area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishan14 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Offering a different assessment, Deputy Prime Minister General Yutthasak Sasiprapha claimed that people now feel safer in the South because the government has effectively handled the situation. More people are willing to work in the deep Southern provinces, he said If he is feeling so safe then let him go and stay there for a couple of weeks...without armed support. These DUMB statements are made from some a/c room sitting on a sofa with a lot of reporters in the room . Ask this moron to talk to the protestors face to face dat way and i gurrantee u he'll piss his pants. What happned to the guy in the op is really very terrifying, i don't understand how killing the normal population is a solution to any problem, they shud try shooting a few politicians instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katipo Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 " effectively handled the situation" and "shot, beheaded, and burnt corpse" don't really belong in the same news article, nay, the same universe. Then I remember, this is Thailand *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 peace is almost restored... PM Yingluck Tells Deep South Of Government's Plans To Restore Peace In Region http://www.thaivisa....eace-in-region/ In 90 days? Not sure about that, but there's new news regarding another number. Forty is number of incidences of unrest throughout the Deep South that Internal Security Operations Command Spokesman said occurred in one day. Today (and it's barely noon). Flags burnt in attacks in Thailand's restive south PATTANI, Thailand - Police in Thailand say insurgents have staged a wave of coordinated attacks in the Muslim-dominated south of the country, burning Thai flags and raising Malaysian flags in their place for the first time in years. Friday's attacks come on the anniversary of the 1989 founding of an umbrella separatist group, as well as the anniversary of neighboring Malaysia's independence from British rule. Police Colonel Narin Busaman says dozens of small bomb attacks took place in Thailand's four southernmost provinces. -- (c) Associated Press 2012-08-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandMysteries Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 WARNING: EXCEPTIONALLY GRAPHIC CONTENT Do not view this link if you are eating or are about to eat or have just eaten. http://www.mkn-yala.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1810&sid=e1e184fbe8eb7784e9feed876363d719 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcharanan Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 maybe be the the head was not beheaded. the head and body was separate due to explosion as the car. or truck was burnt otherwise why they should burn the guy go into the fiery car just to beheaded him again don't you see a movie another Thai journalism Look at the pictures. Quite clearly there was no 'explosion' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkomoncents Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 tuandaoh tuansulung is Thai Muslim name why the insurgent kill him this not about religion this a bout money or politics .... stop being racist.. Which one is it (money or politics), since you're the voice of reason here? Care to explain a bit more? To suggest that Islam is a violent faith is not racist. To be racist is to believe that one ethnic group is superior to another on the basis of biology. The poster you quoted made a comment about a religion that has adherents from scores of different ethnic groups. Not only that but there are countless passages in the Koran that celebrate conquest and violence, which is precisely why it is so appealing to militant religious zealots. KeyserSoze01 made a commment based on historical and textual evidence. Nice try, though. The racism card is an intimidating one but a little common sense can put it to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbox Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yep, I totally agree (if he was a Muslim). Just your average road-side ambush, execution, dismemberment and subsequent incineration of the victim and his property. Coulda happened anywhere. Bullshit.......and you know it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) "they shud try shooting a few politicians instead." Here you go... even though your tounge in cheek may of meant politicians in Bangkok. http://www.bangkokpo...nded-in-pattani As to the OP, following the presumption this was done by Muslim cum ethnic separatists, and viewed through the prism of Islamic extremism, has everything to do with Islam. At least one sect's interpretation and extremist methods in once instance, and in the other, basic Islamic principles. Assuming the victim was indeed a Muslim, and that he was the intended target, the act of beheading and then burning, are brutal, extra efforts at humilation and disrespect. Beheading is an accepted manner of killing in Islam (sects) for sinners, criminals, etc. We've seen in recent years, this has morphed with Islamic extremists to include anyone who opposes "them" or their ideology. Further insult was in burning his body. That is a no no in Islam but is a practice of Budhism so, if you like, a double smack in the face if you connect the dots to the Thai ethnic and religious imposition on (historically) ethnic Malays who predominately follow Islam. There's also a subtle issue with tossing the head seperate from the body..... maybe someone else can comment. If they wanted to simply off the guy over a disagreement, shooting him in the head (as reported) and leaving him dead on the road was good enough, but seems like they went the extra mile on this man. Edited August 31, 2012 by 55Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrysteve Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Thailand cannot win and that is the bottom line...Give those Bastards the 3 provinces, cut off all money. Thailand keeps making the same mistakes and they will keep on making them. What the hell does Thailand need those provinces for? I don't get it. They are like having GANGRENE..you have to cut the diseased limb off. Get out of those provinces, and let them kill each other, they are great at that. Sooner of later they will completely wipe themselves out. The U.S. is making the same mistakes too with pakiststan, afganistan and all the other stans of a similar breed, and the same sick disease. Get out of those provinces, and let them kill each other...they are great at doing that. May they all meet Mohammed at the same point in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Thailand cannot win and that is the bottom line...Give those Bastards the 3 provinces, cut off all money. Thailand keeps making the same mistakes and they will keep on making them. What the hell does Thailand need those provinces for? I don't get it. They are like having GANGRENE..you have to cut the diseased limb off. Get out of those provinces, and let them kill each other, they are great at that. Sooner of later they will completely wipe themselves out. The U.S. is making the same mistakes too with pakiststan, afganistan and all the other stans of a similar breed, and the same sick disease. Get out of those provinces, and let them kill each other...they are great at doing that. May they all meet Mohammed at the same point in time. Some Thai politicians have proposed giving the Depp South autonomy, but this proposal was rejected by the Thai military Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yep, I totally agree (if he was a Muslim). Just your average road-side ambush, execution, dismemberment and subsequent incineration of the victim and his property. Coulda happened anywhere. Bullshit.......and you know it... Yes, I was being ironical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 better be carefull when you speak thai apparently: i am heading to the hospital .... sqoush...there goes your head ah, insurgents... why keep that part of thailand while it was not part of thailand a bit more than 100 years ago do they have oil overthere ? do these people pay a lot of taxes ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) peace is almost restored... PM Yingluck Tells Deep South Of Government's Plans To Restore Peace In Region http://www.thaivisa....eace-in-region/ Forty is number of incidences of unrest throughout the Deep South that Internal Security Operations Command Spokesman said occurred in one day. Today (and it's barely noon). Police in Thailand say insurgents have staged a wave of coordinated attacks in the Muslim-dominated south of the country, burning Thai flags and raising Malaysian flags in their place for the first time in years. Friday's attacks come on the anniversary of the 1989 founding of an umbrella separatist group, as well as the anniversary of neighboring Malaysia's independence from British rule. Police Colonel Narin Busaman says dozens of small bomb attacks took place in Thailand's four southernmost provinces. Now it's afternoon and the Forty has grown to One Hundred And Two. Yep, peace is almost restored. Southern insurgents hunted down following coordinated attacks BANGKOK, 31 August 2012 (NNT) - Following a spate of attacks in the South earlier today, Deputy Prime Minister General Yuthasak Sasiprapa has instructed relevant agencies to review CCTV footage in the areas in search of the identities of the culprits. This morning insurgents have staged a wave of 102 coordinated attacks which injured 6 security personnel in the southern border provinces. Thai flags have been burnt and Malaysian flags have been raised on the day that marks the anniversary of the 1989 founding of the Bersatu separatist movement and the 55th anniversary of Malaysia's independence from British rule. General Yuthasak confirmed that the attacks will not affect relations between Thailand and Malaysia. He has also notified Malaysian authorities of attempts to link militant separatist attacks to the country. In addition, he has coordinated with the Region 4 Army commander in tracking down suspected Muslim insurgents via CCTV footage. The Deputy Prime Minister noted that under its umbrella organization, the Bersatu group has launched countless attacks on civilians in the South and it appears that they are planning to strike again. -- NNT 2012-08-31 Edited August 31, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTIRACIST Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 man, those <snip!> are BRUTAL ! Reminds of the kind of things that go on in Africa. WHO TOLD YOU SUCH BABARIC ACTS GOES ON IN AFRICA??? i SEE YOUR REALLY IN THE DEEP DARK WELL OF IGNORANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 peace is almost restored... PM Yingluck Tells Deep South Of Government's Plans To Restore Peace In Region http://www.thaivisa....eace-in-region/ Forty is number of incidences of unrest throughout the Deep South that Internal Security Operations Command Spokesman said occurred in one day. Today (and it's barely noon). Police in Thailand say insurgents have staged a wave of coordinated attacks in the Muslim-dominated south of the country, burning Thai flags and raising Malaysian flags in their place for the first time in years. Friday's attacks come on the anniversary of the 1989 founding of an umbrella separatist group, as well as the anniversary of neighboring Malaysia's independence from British rule. Police Colonel Narin Busaman says dozens of small bomb attacks took place in Thailand's four southernmost provinces. Now it's afternoon and the Forty has grown to One Hundred And Two. Yep, peace is almost restored. Southern insurgents hunted down following coordinated attacks BANGKOK, 31 August 2012 (NNT) - Following a spate of attacks in the South earlier today, Deputy Prime Minister General Yuthasak Sasiprapa has instructed relevant agencies to review CCTV footage in the areas in search of the identities of the culprits. This morning insurgents have staged a wave of 102 coordinated attacks which injured 6 security personnel in the southern border provinces. Thai flags have been burnt and Malaysian flags have been raised on the day that marks the anniversary of the 1989 founding of the Bersatu separatist movement and the 55th anniversary of Malaysia's independence from British rule. General Yuthasak confirmed that the attacks will not affect relations between Thailand and Malaysia. He has also notified Malaysian authorities of attempts to link militant separatist attacks to the country. In addition, he has coordinated with the Region 4 Army commander in tracking down suspected Muslim insurgents via CCTV footage. The Deputy Prime Minister noted that under its umbrella organization, the Bersatu group has launched countless attacks on civilians in the South and it appears that they are planning to strike again. -- NNT 2012-08-31 102 separate incidents in one day? Now that is a pretty serious show of force, and a belief in impunity. The other paper reports that many devices were defused, but 6 soldiers were injured in explosions. Very very worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 peace is almost restored... PM Yingluck Tells Deep South Of Government's Plans To Restore Peace In Region http://www.thaivisa....eace-in-region/ Forty is number of incidences of unrest throughout the Deep South that Internal Security Operations Command Spokesman said occurred in one day. Today (and it's barely noon). Police in Thailand say insurgents have staged a wave of coordinated attacks in the Muslim-dominated south of the country, burning Thai flags and raising Malaysian flags in their place for the first time in years. Friday's attacks come on the anniversary of the 1989 founding of an umbrella separatist group, as well as the anniversary of neighboring Malaysia's independence from British rule. Police Colonel Narin Busaman says dozens of small bomb attacks took place in Thailand's four southernmost provinces. Now it's afternoon and the Forty has grown to One Hundred And Two. Yep, peace is almost restored. Southern insurgents hunted down following coordinated attacks BANGKOK, 31 August 2012 (NNT) - Following a spate of attacks in the South earlier today, Deputy Prime Minister General Yuthasak Sasiprapa has instructed relevant agencies to review CCTV footage in the areas in search of the identities of the culprits. This morning insurgents have staged a wave of 102 coordinated attacks which injured 6 security personnel in the southern border provinces. Thai flags have been burnt and Malaysian flags have been raised on the day that marks the anniversary of the 1989 founding of the Bersatu separatist movement and the 55th anniversary of Malaysia's independence from British rule. General Yuthasak confirmed that the attacks will not affect relations between Thailand and Malaysia. He has also notified Malaysian authorities of attempts to link militant separatist attacks to the country. In addition, he has coordinated with the Region 4 Army commander in tracking down suspected Muslim insurgents via CCTV footage. The Deputy Prime Minister noted that under its umbrella organization, the Bersatu group has launched countless attacks on civilians in the South and it appears that they are planning to strike again. -- NNT 2012-08-31 Current Thai Gov is completely incompetent and incapable of solving this long running ethnic, religious, territorial dispute. What do you see as the solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABloke Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Ah yes, the violent religion of Islam. Tell me, has the Christian community totally forgotten about the Crusades (or countless atrocities committed by sick people citing the Bible as there justification), or is it not convenient for the world's current political and religious agendas. Edited August 31, 2012 by SABloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I don't think it's good to generalize the Muslims in the South. From what I recall after being there, its a small group that is responsible for these violent acts. They act sporadically and not under the name of an organisation so that they appear bigger than they really are. A majority of the Muslims there don't participate in the violence and do not support it. They have, however, gotten so used to hearing about the daily occurrences that they go about life as per normal. One young Muslim told me, "If you keep thinking about the fighting going on here, you'll go crazy. Most of us are too busy trying to make enough money to survive and raise our families." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 So much ignorant Islamophobia. The insurgents in the south are not fighting in the name of religion but some form of independent administration that all shades of government have refused to give them. There is plenty of factual evidence of Buddists killing Muslims. Ever hear of Krue Se or Tak Bai or the Muslin lawyer who was abducted by the police in Bangkok never to be seen again. Until around 2000, the south was relatively peaceful until Thaksin interfered with the various security agencies. Everything became more deadly since. If Pattaya can be given a degree of autonomy, there is no reason that the 3 southern provinces can't be given a similar set-up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I don't think it's good to generalize the Muslims in the South. From what I recall after being there, its a small group that is responsible for these violent acts. They act sporadically and not under the name of an organisation so that they appear bigger than they really are. A majority of the Muslims there don't participate in the violence and do not support it. They have, however, gotten so used to hearing about the daily occurrences that they go about life as per normal. One young Muslim told me, "If you keep thinking about the fighting going on here, you'll go crazy. Most of us are too busy trying to make enough money to survive and raise our families." I don't think it's good to generalize the Muslims in the South. From what I recall after being there, its a small group that is responsible for these violent acts. They act sporadically and not under the name of an organisation so that they appear bigger than they really are. A majority of the Muslims there don't participate in the violence and do not support it. They have, however, gotten so used to hearing about the daily occurrences that they go about life as per normal. One young Muslim told me, "If you keep thinking about the fighting going on here, you'll go crazy. Most of us are too busy trying to make enough money to survive and raise our families." Thank you! Unfortunately they are caught in the middle but they, collectively, are the key to "victory". For both sides actually. Without lambs available for slaughter to create political pressure, the insurgency doesn't have many chips to play with. If you evac'ed all the civilians, and the insurgents actually stayed behind and faced the Army, this would be over in pretty short order. Unfotunately that's not how insurgencies operate. The Thai Gov is in a real conundrum due to history, foreign meddling, politics, guilt, nationalistic pride, and "face". Giving up and allowing autonomy, which is a breath away from ceding "one inch" of Thailand, is not a political option, and would be seen as weakness...and then here comes the other border fights right on its heels. Politically and perhaps even to the average Thai in upper regions, a sense that giving up will mean the deaths of all the civilians and, more closely all the military and police along the way, was for nothing in the end. Yes, "normal" folks are stuck in the middle but as in other similar struggles, the citizenry will have to step up and clearly take sides with the Army/Police and drive these groups into the sea if they don't want it, else this won't end. Oppression and freedom both require blood and it is the citizens who must rise up and have the chops to pay the price in blood, unless they are happy to reap benefit gestures from the Government from one hand, while accepting to dodge bombs and bullets as normal daily life. Until something snaps, it'll go round and round with successive governments and PMs, sorta like the long line of American Presidents on Israel/Palestine. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 man, those <snip!> are BRUTAL ! Reminds of the kind of things that go on in Africa. WHO TOLD YOU SUCH BABARIC ACTS GOES ON IN AFRICA??? i SEE YOUR REALLY IN THE DEEP DARK WELL OF IGNORANCE Huh? I think you've missed a few things whilst holidaying on the moon the past few decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 maybe be the the head was not beheaded. the head and body was separate due to explosion as the car. or truck was burnt otherwise why they should burn the guy go into the fiery car just to beheaded him again don't you see a movie another Thai journalism Yes, maybe. But I think they, the Muslims like to do that behaeding thing for whatever special draconian reason! So, I believe there was a deliberately behaeding involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 man, those <snip!> are BRUTAL ! Reminds of the kind of things that go on in Africa. WHO TOLD YOU SUCH BABARIC ACTS GOES ON IN AFRICA??? i SEE YOUR REALLY IN THE DEEP DARK WELL OF IGNORANCE Off topic, but research 'necklace killings" in South Africa, Lords Army in Uganda, Democratic Republic of Congo (millions killed), just a few examples, there are many, many more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonglen Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 "INSURGENTS?" You mean, Muslims? Yes? Okay, glad we got that straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 "INSURGENTS?" You mean, Muslims? Yes? Okay, glad we got that straight. Please can you take your simplistic, stupid, generalisations elsewhere ??? Although this is probably the only forum that would permit such crass ugliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonglen Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 "INSURGENTS?" You mean, Muslims? Yes? Okay, glad we got that straight. Please can you take your simplistic, stupid, generalisations elsewhere ??? Although this is probably the only forum that would permit such crass ugliness. Thanks for that innane, ill-substantive post, Phil. You've found your niche. When you've an intelligible post, please let us know. Are you disputing its content or the wording? Maybe you think these TERRORISTS are Buddhist? Christian? Sikh? They are, in fact, EXTREMIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS destroying a peaceful people's way of life. If you dont like those words, then you need to move there, denounce these killers and advocate for peace in that area. Let me know how that goes, little man. I did not post a "generalization" as you say. I SPECIFICALLY annotated the facts on who the culprits are. Period. You need to re-word your post, sir. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurofiend Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 The religion of peace at work again. ok so if i mention rakhine then i guess i can say 'buddhism, a religion of peace at work again'... <--- not my actual sarcastic view but maybe you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 "INSURGENTS?" You mean, Muslims? Yes? Okay, glad we got that straight. Please can you take your simplistic, stupid, generalisations elsewhere ??? Although this is probably the only forum that would permit such crass ugliness. Thanks for that innane, ill-substantive post, Phil. You've found your niche. When you've an intelligible post, please let us know. Are you disputing its content or the wording? Maybe you think these TERRORISTS are Buddhist? Christian? Sikh? They are, in fact, EXTREMIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS destroying a peaceful people's way of life. If you dont like those words, then you need to move there, denounce these killers and advocate for peace in that area. Let me know how that goes, little man. I did not post a "generalization" as you say. I SPECIFICALLY annotated the facts on who the culprits are. Period. You need to re-word your post, sir. Er........How do you know "they" are " EXTREMIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS" ??? Have you met any ?? What's the difference between the content and the wording ?? The wording is the content, is it not ? Why don't you like Muslims ?? Appreciate your honest answer, big man. Signed small man........................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonglen Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 "INSURGENTS?" You mean, Muslims? Yes? Okay, glad we got that straight. Please can you take your simplistic, stupid, generalisations elsewhere ??? Although this is probably the only forum that would permit such crass ugliness. Thanks for that innane, ill-substantive post, Phil. You've found your niche. When you've an intelligible post, please let us know. Are you disputing its content or the wording? Maybe you think these TERRORISTS are Buddhist? Christian? Sikh? They are, in fact, EXTREMIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS destroying a peaceful people's way of life. If you dont like those words, then you need to move there, denounce these killers and advocate for peace in that area. Let me know how that goes, little man. I did not post a "generalization" as you say. I SPECIFICALLY annotated the facts on who the culprits are. Period. You need to re-word your post, sir. Er........How do you know "they" are " EXTREMIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS" ??? Have you met any ?? What's the difference between the content and the wording ?? The wording is the content, is it not ? Why don't you like Muslims ?? Appreciate your honest answer, big man. Signed small man........................... Are you suggesting these killers are Buddhists? Surely you arent. 1.) EXTREME: Wouldnt you say that killing, beheading and burning, is, um, well, extreme? I sure would. 2.) MUSLIM: There is little doubt these are Muslims at work, Phil. 3.) TERRORISTS: This act created terror, thus Terrorists. Thus, EXTREME+MUSLIM+TERRORISTS. Yes, I have met an extreme Muslim before. I have also met extreme "Christians" before. I have also met extreme Buddhists before. The fact is, I have met many Muslims that are amazing, peace loving, dedicated individuals. Most are. This does not and will not change the fact that the foregoing are EXTREMIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS. I call a spade a spade. Phil, are you saying that they are not extreme, Muslim or terrorists? Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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