Israeli Tourist Injured And Raped On Koh Phangan

[wellred]

BUTTTTTT....WHAT DO YOU MEAN ....TRASH COLLECTOR ?......

What are you on fella? And please try use the caps lock key only when needed. Shouting is rude.

Bottom like is rape is rape whatever country it's in and whatever the circumstances.

[wellred]

SO....WHAT ABOUT GOING NAKED ON THE STREET, BEHAVE AS

AN IDIOT, SHOWING UP " WE ARE HERE FIR FULLLL MOONNNN PARTYY

"...RUBISH EVERY WHERE, LACK OF RESPECT ON HIGH LEVEL

HAVING SEX ON THE BACH, IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS...

AND LOTS MORE THE LOVELLYYYY COOOLLL PARTY

DELIVERS !!!!!....

I DO LOVE THIS COUNTRY FROM MY HEART ! AND,

A RIGHT ATTITUDE IS THE KEY TO ENJOY HERE !

WHAT THE MAJORITY LACKS IS RESPECT !!!!!...SO, BEFORE TALK

ABOUT THE TRASH COLLECTOR, THE LADY ON FULL MOON,

THE BUCKETS....AND SO ON.....

I AGREE....WE , WHO LOVE THIS LAND, RESPECT...

ALL HAVE A POSITIVE SIDE : HOPE YOU LOOK ON APPROPRIATE

CLOTHES, BE HUMBLE ( THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR MANN NYYY

AHAHAHAH ! ) AND HERE IS THAILAND BROTHER....

AHAH...BEFORE I BELIEVED ..." OH ! THEY ARE KIDS ..."....NIT TRYE !!!

WE ALL MUST TO BE RESPONSABLE FOR OURS ACTS !

EASY IS SAY : SHE IS NAIVE, SHE IS A PROSTITUTE,HE IS ASAINT

I AM TOO YOUNG, I AM TOO OLD, DRUNK, OR WHATEVER !

...AND , OF COURSE GUYS....READ YOUR LOVELY

LONELY PLANET THAILAND !

I dont want to get banned here because I write that I know very well how specially israeli youth behave in other countries.... On Phe Phe island there are some spots there are more then NOT WELCOME

I really don't see how you can connect a girl getting raped with potentially a group of lads getting too rowdy and tearing up a hotel on phi phi? Please share with us your nationality as I'm sure we can find some sordid characters from your country and lump you in ad the same type.

Reading this forum is like the online version of walking down Sukhumvit at night. All sorts of characters.

[shafty]

news report is not correct! the truth is a maynmar man bit a chunk from HER lip (the victum), she wasin hospital in the morrning and due to fly out that evening, she is now back her country. Firslyt police in koh phangan want to keep it secret but a I know one of the people that has spoken with the lady , the man, and the police there, he called news from bkk and they followed it up which means the police have no choice but to do thier job and find the man.

That means she could see that it was a Burmese and it is impossible that he's from any other Asian origin?

[Tchooptip]

All of you farang should realize that rape still makes national headlines here in Thailand. In your countries rape doesn't even make the local news because it is so common.

everyone comes on here showing their hatred of Thailand and demands that it starts emulating the oppressive regimes you lot come from.

Please get out of Thailand if you don't like it. Move back to the UK or USA where you can't even smoke a cigarette without being monitored by the police, and god help you if you step out of the smoking zone.

Rape is not a common crime in Thailand, nor is assault, it happens the same as everywhere in the world but Thailand is one of the safest countries in the world.

Well said Andy --- you have to remember however that most TV members are grumpy old besterds who would find something to moan about in Paradise - wait a minute; that's exactly what they are doing!

Very funny formulation

[thaibeachlovers]

All of you farang should realize that rape still makes national headlines here in Thailand. In your countries rape doesn't even make the local news because it is so common.

everyone comes on here showing their hatred of Thailand and demands that it starts emulating the oppressive regimes you lot come from.

Please get out of Thailand if you don't like it. Move back to the UK or USA where you can't even smoke a cigarette without being monitored by the police, and god help you if you step out of the smoking zone.

Rape is not a common crime in Thailand, nor is assault, it happens the same as everywhere in the world but Thailand is one of the safest countries in the world.

Hmmmmm, try taking off the rose coloured glasses!

Have you forgotten that there was/ is a scam in Bkk where people that may or may not be police stop farangs and accuse them of dropping a cigarette butt, then demand 2,000 baht or go to jail?

Rape is certainly NOT uncommon among Thai people, or does it only count when it involves a tourist, and Thailand is certainly not the safest country in the world, even if you discount all the traffic accidents.

However, I agree that if one doesn't like Thailand, no one is blocking the exit door.

As for the victim, this is not a PC country, which should not be forgotten by young women getting drunk/ drugged out of their heads. There is no substitute for common sense, which seems sadly lacking among the gap year generation of today.

For those that say there were lots of people around, from what I see on U tube etc, had they seen the woman being attacked, IMO, far from "rescuing" her, they'd have been VDOing the proceedings to post it on line!

[thaibeachlovers]

..." BEING A TRASH COLLECTOR......".......( LETS RESPECT THE FORUM

, FRIENDS...AH !...) I LIVE IN HAADRIN LONG ENOUGH,

TO BE A WITNESS OF ALL THE EGOS STROKE

AROUND, AND SADLY WATCH WOUMEN

( AND MEN ) WALKING , TO DONT SAY MORE...AROUND

NAKED ! YES, I SEE TOPLESS SHOUTING WOUMAN

WALKING ON THE STREET !!!.....HERE , IS THAILAND....DIFFERENT CULTURE,

IF YOU ( BEHAVING ON THIS WAY ) DID NOT NOTICE YET !!!!!!!

...OR READ YOUR LONELY PLANET BOOK !

IT IS VERY TRUE ( IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY EXCUSE

TO RAPED PEOPLE ) BUT...I SEE EVERYTIME !!! WHEN YOU RESPECT

YOU GET RESPECT.....

GRATEFULL FOR LIVING IN PARADISE...AS GRATEFUL FOR ALL THAT

CLEAN THE BEACH, EVERYSINGLE DAY ( THAT " TRASH COLLECTORS " )...THEY DO,

you are absolutely right here. Most tourists doesnt read any informations anymore before going to places like Thailand.

It is a shame how they are running around in Temples sometimes....in Bikinis, miniskirts or just in beachwear...

Also at the beaches topless white women, even when they must see how Thais going into the water, fully dressed with

two or three shirts....One must not like, but RESPECT it... so if you are going to another country with different culture, behave

like them or be aware it could be danger... I know the so called Full moon parties... drugs-alcohol-and bam bam everywhere..

OK, burkas should be compulsory beach dress for farang women tourists in future, LOL.

Do you really think that because Thai girls that grew up in the village wear a t shirt when swimming, everyone should?

It's like saying that Thai woman always cover their shoulders, when that's so patently absurd.

Thai fashion has moved on from the "traditional" days, whether some like it or not. Some even wear bikinis at the beach, shock and horror!

As for the FMP, the Thai authorities could stop it all anytime they want, but they don't- care to guess why?

[BigC]

sometimes an act of rape well most of the time anact of rape is allso an act of revenge such as an asault or a someone being bullied.

i have always tried to talk young girls to be polite to people as to avoid being the subject or rape or being bullied by a male that is 3 times stronger than the female.

As a whole i find Isrealis quite rude and agressive. I do not mean to dicriminate but just my experience with allot of specially the younger genoration.

I have spoken to some of my Isreali friends who are quite allot older and they tell me that they do not mix with the younger crowd as they are yound fresh our of national service and basically just don;t care.

i have found the women to be quite agressive even with thai people in aurthority calling the Thai police to their faces stupid andother stuff.

No one deserves tobe raped but as they say if one goes to seek then they shall find.

i hope that other young women can learn to keep low key out here be polite and firm and do not take the piss in this country especially around drunk Thai males or forangs

[sbk]

This is me, shaking my head. and they say amazing thailand.

[Evergreen]

This is me, shaking my head. and they say amazing thailand.

You're not the only one! On a few occasions i've been about to respond to some of the quite ridiculous replies but actually just found myself almost lost for words and also just shaking my head in disbelief...sometimes there's just no point i guess...

[smokie36]

This is me, shaking my head. and they say amazing thailand.

You're not the only one! On a few occasions i've been about to respond to some of the quite ridiculous replies but actually just found myself almost lost for words and also just shaking my head in disbelief...sometimes there's just no point i guess...

Agree entirely.

[KTD]

It is ridiculous for anyone to try and justify this. It is ridiculous to blame the victim what ever the circumstance.

Crime rate stats by country are easy to find on the internet. Why do we have to go through this debate every time about what place has more or less crime here/there/anywhere?? How do we get to country bashing from discussion about a women being assaulted?

There is crime on this planet, simple fact. Common variables affecting crime usually population density, economy, stability.. but what ever the

reason it does not make it right. Common or not common rape or attempted rape is still not acceptable.

Even if the man miss judged the situation, what happened to No means No?

I truly wish Mankind were not so evil that if a women enjoying herself even if over indulged gets rape/attempted rape instead of assistance.

It is still ok to be a good person. even on the internet!!

[shafty]

Isn't it sad? On the last 3 pages, most of the posts discuss whether it's the fault of the girl, society problems, how's the 'rape situation' in the rest of the world, if the opinon of poster xxx is right or not right and so on.

What happend doesn't really play any role since page 3 or so. Almost Nobody actually asked anything about the girl and also no one asked anything about the arrested guy. There were several posts in the beginning which mentioned that the news reports don't make sense or in other words, that it's totally unknown what happened after reading these news because most of these articles contradict each other.

What does that show us? Thai authorities obviously do everything right: Finding an offender very quick and declare the case as closed. There might be some discussions about this terrible crime that happened last month or a few weeks ago... but hey, at least they found the guy who did that!

The guy who was arrested did very likely not commit this crime and half of the local population in Haad Rin knows that. There were Thai(!) people who witnessed that the arrested burmese can't have been there and there is even an explanation for it's injuries.

I don't know what's true. I just find it sad that no one seems to be interested and some members feel invited for some pub talk instead.

[wellred]

That's because this place is full of old farts who's morals have slipped amidst years and years if whoring in Thailand.

Rape is wrong in any context and I hope the offender is caught and made to pay for his crimes.

[Tropicalevo]

That's because this place is full of old farts who's morals have slipped amidst years and years if whoring in Thailand.

Rape is wrong in any context and I hope the offender is caught and made to pay for his crimes.

Your valid point (second sentence) is somewhat negated by the silly generalisation in your first sentence.

Perhaps it is a reflection of the circle of people that you socialise with. It is cetainly not true in my circle of friends and aquaintances.

[evadgib]

That's because this place is full of old farts who's morals have slipped amidst years and years if whoring in Thailand.

IMO posting nonsence like this @ 0306am places this poster in or near the same group OR outside SE Asia casting an envious eye in their direction!

Edited October 19, 2012 by evadgib

[tinfoilhat]

I was talking to my friendly policeman today. He was saying that the guy is Burmese and he definitely did it.

So there you have it. Case solved!

And what did your police man say about

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[wellred]

That's because this place is full of old farts who's morals have slipped amidst years and years if whoring in Thailand.

Rape is wrong in any context and I hope the offender is caught and made to pay for his crimes.

Your valid point (second sentence) is somewhat negated by the silly generalisation in your first sentence.

Perhaps it is a reflection of the circle of people that you socialise with. It is cetainly not true in my circle of friends and aquaintances.

Not at all. My comments were based purely on observations of posters on this forum.

[BigC]

It is ridiculous for anyone to try and justify this. It is ridiculous to blame the victim what ever the circumstance.

Crime rate stats by country are easy to find on the internet. Why do we have to go through this debate every time about what place has more or less crime here/there/anywhere?? How do we get to country bashing from discussion about a women being assaulted?

There is crime on this planet, simple fact. Common variables affecting crime usually population density, economy, stability.. but what ever the

reason it does not make it right. Common or not common rape or attempted rape is still not acceptable.

Even if the man miss judged the situation, what happened to No means No?

I truly wish Mankind were not so evil that if a women enjoying herself even if over indulged gets rape/attempted rape instead of assistance.

It is still ok to be a good person. even on the internet!!

we as humans are also too quite to judge what is in front of our eyes. We see what is in front of us. Isrealy woman raped. Then we make a full conculsion based on one statement. There could be 1 million other things that surrounded this event. With rape being very hard to prove and very easy to blame someone for. It is the most important thing for people not to pass judgement. I have had a friend back home who was falsy excused of rape and what he went through was discusting and is has still not recovered.

They adverntually caught the guilt person yet no appollgiy was given and not even a note in the local paper about the real rapest being convicted which left the town looking down on him.

He had his dorr borken down at 0400 am then arrested and forced to give seman samples all because when the police were with the victim outside where the incodent took place she though it was him as he walked into budgens But she was wrong.

As for rape and assault being wrong. Is the death penalty wrong or is death or murder considered ok if a judge sentences someone.

Is locking someone up who has done something wrong for 99 years a form of kid napping.

If someone has done wrong to you then an act of revenge is a short cut of going through a long and length court process which could end up with you losing anyway.

I am not saying this lady deserved to be raped but from my experience with Isrealis is that they are very firey tempered and speak down to people specially Thais. Maybe she was not one of these Isralis but one says if you play with fire then .... well.

As afarther of duaghters it is specially diffuclt out here but i shall do what i can to bring upmy kids to avoid these situations i know invinsiblity is out of the question but from what i gather a rapest wants to enforce his power of the female to make him self feel big. If i can educate my daughters to be polite and bide there time and walk away from danger then well my job is done. Women that lead drunken men on also then pull away are also asking for trouble.

I am not trying to affend people just tell it as it is,

I just hope that the victim recovers and they caught the right person

[BigC]

That's because this place is full of old farts who's morals have slipped amidst years and years if whoring in Thailand.

Rape is wrong in any context and I hope the offender is caught and made to pay for his crimes.

So you are putting every manin Thailand into a whoring catorgry.Then to win over readers. you are saying rape is wrong. Well thanks for pointing that out. you just saved me a few years behind girlie bars.now i can do a few more

[BigC]

This is me, shaking my head. and they say amazing thailand.

If you ask as women what she worries most about being on her own in a forang country she might say getting burgled or getting bored.

out here they worried they are going to be rapeed and burgled.

I agree rapiest should be casterated but must get all the evidence first as there are allot of people who have been with a lady then the next day the man is down the police station accused of rape with 3 mill to drop charhrges

[BigC]

Typical Isreali.

She did not get rapped as she was rescued by some people walking by with a flash light.

She then complained about the lack of security at the Full moon after she was rescued from getting raped.

So let me get this straight. She was rescued and she didnot get rapped and still complained that there is not enough security there. I suppose when u come from a country where they put walls around people they do not like then security is a bit slack. or may be we should hold all parties in prisons to be on the safe side with miltery guards on stand by

[Jose]

NAKED ! YES, I SEE TOPLESS SHOUTING WOUMAN

WALKING ON THE STREET !!!.....HERE , IS THAILAND....DIFFERENT CULTURE,

IF YOU ( BEHAVING ON THIS WAY ) DID NOT NOTICE YET !!!!!!!

...OR READ YOUR LONELY PLANET BOOK !

IT IS VERY TRUE ( IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY EXCUSE

TO RAPED PEOPLE ) BUT...I SEE EVERYTIME !!! WHEN YOU RESPECT

YOU GET RESPECT.....

SHAOLIN, that's a strange thing to say from someone that hangs out (and I stress the "hang out" part) in Haadrin beach, all day in a G-string...

And please learn to type without capslock.

[uptheos]

I am not saying this lady deserved to be raped but from my experience with Isrealis is that they are very firey tempered and speak down to people specially Thais. Maybe she was not one of these Isralis but one says if you play with fire then .... well.

A nicely disguised anti Semitic statement.

Why don't you say it how you mean it?

And it's Israeli's

[JUDAS]

Some posts on this thread are quite disturbing. It's never a females fault that she gets raped!! A few need to remember something: your mother is/was female.

[BigC]

NAKED ! YES, I SEE TOPLESS SHOUTING WOUMAN

WALKING ON THE STREET !!!.....HERE , IS THAILAND....DIFFERENT CULTURE,

IF YOU ( BEHAVING ON THIS WAY ) DID NOT NOTICE YET !!!!!!!

...OR READ YOUR LONELY PLANET BOOK !

IT IS VERY TRUE ( IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY EXCUSE

TO RAPED PEOPLE ) BUT...I SEE EVERYTIME !!! WHEN YOU RESPECT

YOU GET RESPECT.....

SHAOLIN, that's a strange thing to say from someone that hangs out (and I stress the "hang out" part) in Haadrin beach, all day in a G-string...

And please learn to type without capslock.

Give SHAOLIN some lee way as he is probably a monk with a name like shaolin plus his Kung Fuu might be 1st class

Edited October 22, 2012 by BigC

[BigC]

The whole point is that she was not raped. She was rescued then complained about being rescued that the security was not sufficant.

So what more can one do. prevent a crime then complain about security

thats like getting angry wioth someone because they stopped an accidentr from happening and getting angry because an accident did happen. cannot win.

[Jayman]

The whole point is that she was not raped. She was rescued then complained about being rescued that the security was not sufficant.

So what more can one do. prevent a crime then complain about security

thats like getting angry wioth someone because they stopped an accidentr from happening and getting angry because an accident did happen. cannot win.

She was assaulted. She has a right to complain. Look at you complaining about her complaint. You seem much more ridiculous to me than she does.

[BigC]

The whole point is that she was not raped. She was rescued then complained about being rescued that the security was not sufficant.

So what more can one do. prevent a crime then complain about security

thats like getting angry wioth someone because they stopped an accidentr from happening and getting angry because an accident did happen. cannot win.

She was assaulted. She has a right to complain. Look at you complaining about her complaint. You seem much more ridiculous to me than she does.

thank god not every one is you. Anyway peopleget raped in Jails so it does not mattere how much security there was i still think things would go wrong. anyway she forgot why she was there in the first place i assumed that the FULL moon was a celbration of freedome with out laws.

So let me get this right people go to full moon to go a bit crazy and they do not want police to stop them. Yet they want the police to be there to stop rapes and muggings. You can not have it all.

Anyway i suppose if each person was assignemnt a personal security guard for the night then everything would be alright

People always hate the aurhorities but when things go wrong they love to blame them for not doing enough. Not that i authority i just cannot understand when she blamed lack of security instead of just blaming the pervert that tried it on. She was lucky that theyre are decent people about that helped her they did not have to they could have just cearried on walking. How about thanking the people rarther than complaining.

I find you comment ridiculas but i am just 1 person i am sure there are people who shall agree with me and you which makes the world more interesting

Edited October 22, 2012 by BigC

[GRAHAMGOLD]

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Edited October 23, 2012 by GRAHAMGOLD

[Tropicalevo]

Thank you for the update. Let's all hope that the young lady makes a full recovery - both mental and phyical.