Changing Face Of Soi 33. Younger Crowd.

[HardenedSoul]

Stick's latest is an interview with one major players on Soi 33. Quotes, “I also see many younger people coming to Bangkok now and visiting the sex tourist entertainment areas. This surprises me. I always ask myself if those younger guys can't get laid. Why do they have to participate in the sex industry at such a young age? Do you see this?

Yeah, I do. For sure, there are way more young guys in the bars these days and young expats in general.

The younger guys can get laid at home but my guess is that with the widespread availability of free porn on the internet and any number of extremely convenient ways of accessing it, they're keen to try sexual things that girls in their peer groups at home may not be up for.

20 years ago, a young man seeking vivid sexual imagery to try emulate had to sneak a peek at the top-shelf magazines and risk being thrown out of the newsagent.

They can't afford the better-looking boilers in Farangland but £20-40 for a pretty, slim and smooth-skinned Thai hottie is a bargain.

I have always found Thai women even the pros to be almost Victorian in their desire for sexual experimentation. Apparently this has not been your experience?

What do you mean "my experience"? I wasn't referring to myself.

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[TommoPhysicist]

I have always found Thai women even the pros to be almost Victorian in their desire for sexual experimentation. Apparently this has not been your experience?

The Victorians were pretty kinky.

Their morality was very reserved.

Which are you talking about.

[chiangmaikelly]

Stick's latest is an interview with one major players on Soi 33. Quotes, "I also see many younger people coming to Bangkok now and visiting the sex tourist entertainment areas. This surprises me. I always ask myself if those younger guys can't get laid. Why do they have to participate in the sex industry at such a young age? Do you see this?

Yeah, I do. For sure, there are way more young guys in the bars these days and young expats in general.

The younger guys can get laid at home but my guess is that with the widespread availability of free porn on the internet and any number of extremely convenient ways of accessing it, they're keen to try sexual things that girls in their peer groups at home may not be up for.

20 years ago, a young man seeking vivid sexual imagery to try emulate had to sneak a peek at the top-shelf magazines and risk being thrown out of the newsagent.

They can't afford the better-looking boilers in Farangland but £20-40 for a pretty, slim and smooth-skinned Thai hottie is a bargain.

I have always found Thai women even the pros to be almost Victorian in their desire for sexual experimentation. Apparently this has not been your experience?

What do you mean "my experience"? I wasn't referring to myself.

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Well if not your experience how do you know about it? The girls got upset with the last guy that tried to make porn in Thailand and had him arrested. Remember that American in Pattaya. And that old bald guy with the big scar on his stomach, terrible stuff.

[chiangmaikelly]

I have always found Thai women even the pros to be almost Victorian in their desire for sexual experimentation. Apparently this has not been your experience?

The Victorians were pretty kinky.

Their morality was very reserved.

Which are you talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality

[thenoilif]

I don't think it's experimentation.

It's the convenience and lack of hassle.

Let's face it, Thai women, especially the younger generations are becoming very high maintenance and many of the women that pursue foreigners arent exactly the most stable or trustworthy. Included in this is the fact that most foreigners are not willing to do what it takes to integrate themselves enough into the local culture in order to be able to meet normal Thai women. All of this makes paying for companionship much easier for many young foreigners. Back in the state's wall street guys spend thousands on high price hookers for basically the same reasons so I can see why it would be a new trend given thwarted amount of financial sector expat positions in Bangkok.

I also wouldn't confine these guys to one specific demo either. All types of foreigners are into paying from tourists to teachers all the way up to guys on exec. Packages.

I didn't read SM article as I find his thinking and views to be a bit antiquated and self serving so did he mention anthing about how the young guys have a propensity to go to the bars and try and get it for free. Several guys that I know have a little game they like to play where they hit up the bars, covertly get the girl to agree to meet them after at one of the after hours clubs or get her number and give her a call another day and see if they can land a freebie. Many bar girls think that they can screw their way into relationships so their success rate is surprisingly high.

[HardenedSoul]

Well if not your experience how do you know about it? The girls got upset with the last guy that tried to make porn in Thailand and had him arrested. Remember that American in Pattaya. And that old bald guy with the big scar on his stomach, terrible stuff.

Ok well many of the girls I've met have told me that lots of their "clientele" - especially the younger ones - have had what I would best describe as "alternative requirements".

None of them have involved a camera crew, although some say they're not averse to the idea of allowing activities to be recorded on a smartphone for posterity provided an eye mask or whatever is utilised.

[chiangmaikelly]

I don't think it's experimentation.

It's the convenience and lack of hassle.

Let's face it, Thai women, especially the younger generations are becoming very high maintenance and many of the women that pursue foreigners arent exactly the most stable or trustworthy. Included in this is the fact that most foreigners are not willing to do what it takes to integrate themselves enough into the local culture in order to be able to meet normal Thai women. All of this makes paying for companionship much easier for many young foreigners. Back in the state's wall street guys spend thousands on high price hookers for basically the same reasons so I can see why it would be a new trend given thwarted amount of financial sector expat positions in Bangkok.

I also wouldn't confine these guys to one specific demo either. All types of foreigners are into paying from tourists to teachers all the way up to guys on exec. Packages.

I didn't read SM article as I find his thinking and views to be a bit antiquated and self serving so did he mention anthing about how the young guys have a propensity to go to the bars and try and get it for free. Several guys that I know have a little game they like to play where they hit up the bars, covertly get the girl to agree to meet them after at one of the after hours clubs or get her number and give her a call another day and see if they can land a freebie. Many bar girls think that they can screw their way into relationships so their success rate is surprisingly high.

So these guys tell you the truth? Ya George I got it for free last night, ya of course they did...

[AndyDufrane]

If you go to Insomnia on any given night youll see a very large crowd of young foreigners (20s-30s), and a lot of aggressive working girls engaging them. What it all means - have no idea. Im in that age bracket but the beautiful thing about thailand is the varied milieu of people and ages represented here. Like rivers crashing, messy but interesting. Soi 33 - has it ever seen heavy traffic other than the Japanese karaoke joints (which do very well) ?

Read a few articles on the stick man site - the last was a ridiculous interview with Tim Shark, which did nothing but pander to and glamorize the thug. That kind of pablum mixed with the garbage layout of the site saw to it there was no return. The day stickman dictums guide my life here is the day to pack it up for home.

[HardenedSoul]

I don't think it's experimentation.

It's the convenience and lack of hassle.

Let's face it, Thai women, especially the younger generations are becoming very high maintenance and many of the women that pursue foreigners arent exactly the most stable or trustworthy. Included in this is the fact that most foreigners are not willing to do what it takes to integrate themselves enough into the local culture in order to be able to meet normal Thai women. All of this makes paying for companionship much easier for many young foreigners. Back in the state's wall street guys spend thousands on high price hookers for basically the same reasons so I can see why it would be a new trend given thwarted amount of financial sector expat positions in Bangkok.

I also wouldn't confine these guys to one specific demo either. All types of foreigners are into paying from tourists to teachers all the way up to guys on exec. Packages.

I didn't read SM article as I find his thinking and views to be a bit antiquated and self serving so did he mention anthing about how the young guys have a propensity to go to the bars and try and get it for free. Several guys that I know have a little game they like to play where they hit up the bars, covertly get the girl to agree to meet them after at one of the after hours clubs or get her number and give her a call another day and see if they can land a freebie. Many bar girls think that they can screw their way into relationships so their success rate is surprisingly high.

So these guys tell you the truth? Ya George I got it for free last night, ya of course they did...

I really don't understand why some people find it difficult to accept that some guys do "get it" for free.

It's like they can't believe that a Thai woman can actually find a foreign guy attractive enough - both physically and mentally - to sleep with him without demanding money.

I realise that some members have no choice but to cough up the readies and while, to me, that's nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us are in the same boat.

[TommoPhysicist]

I realise that some members have no choice but to cough up the readies and while, to me, that's nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us are in the same boat.

Wait until you're 60, then post it again.

[HardenedSoul]

I realise that some members have no choice but to cough up the readies and while, to me, that's nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us are in the same boat.

Wait until you're 60, then post it again.

I accept that my youthful appearance counts for a lot but then again, I do make the effort to preserve what my genetics have blessed me with.

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[NanLaew]

I realise that some members have no choice but to cough up the readies and while, to me, that's nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us are in the same boat.

Wait until you're 60, then post it again.

I accept that my youthful appearance counts for a lot but then again, I do make the effort to preserve what my genetics have blessed me with.

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Agreed! Brut 33 is awesome!

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[chiangmaikelly]

I don't think it's experimentation.

It's the convenience and lack of hassle.

Let's face it, Thai women, especially the younger generations are becoming very high maintenance and many of the women that pursue foreigners arent exactly the most stable or trustworthy. Included in this is the fact that most foreigners are not willing to do what it takes to integrate themselves enough into the local culture in order to be able to meet normal Thai women. All of this makes paying for companionship much easier for many young foreigners. Back in the state's wall street guys spend thousands on high price hookers for basically the same reasons so I can see why it would be a new trend given thwarted amount of financial sector expat positions in Bangkok.

I also wouldn't confine these guys to one specific demo either. All types of foreigners are into paying from tourists to teachers all the way up to guys on exec. Packages.

I didn't read SM article as I find his thinking and views to be a bit antiquated and self serving so did he mention anthing about how the young guys have a propensity to go to the bars and try and get it for free. Several guys that I know have a little game they like to play where they hit up the bars, covertly get the girl to agree to meet them after at one of the after hours clubs or get her number and give her a call another day and see if they can land a freebie. Many bar girls think that they can screw their way into relationships so their success rate is surprisingly high.

So these guys tell you the truth? Ya George I got it for free last night, ya of course they did...

I really don't understand why some people find it difficult to accept that some guys do "get it" for free.

It's like they can't believe that a Thai woman can actually find a foreign guy attractive enough - both physically and mentally - to sleep with him without demanding money.

I realise that some members have no choice but to cough up the readies and while, to me, that's nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us are in the same boat.

I believe you. Not everyone pays for it.

[NanLaew]

Soi 33 always positioned itself with the local yuppie, Japanese middle management type, the 'up himself' farang and latterly young and handsome boilermen. Earlier statements about weathering the economic crisis is bogus as the economic crisis is still here and will invariably deepen. The other earlier comment about the questionable benefits of having some classier looking girl pouring your drink versus buying LD's in the fleshpots means nothing. People had more liquidity 10-15 years ago and would pay the higher prices for the less pushy waitress, toilets that didn't stink and the Premier League on a big screen. It's all about bang for your buck, always has been and always will be. The 'young professional' farangs don't see any value in the soi any more so they are taking their tapas eating, beer swilling and skirt chasing <deleted> down market. Some Bistro-style places are making serious coin in the early evening. Hostess bars were always just a pig with lipstick.

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[rgs2001uk]

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I don't normally like to interrupt a heated pissing contest, but just this once.

rgs, why don't you just read the article already? It'll take you only a few minutes. That's really the whole intent of this thread, isn't it? The article? Then maybe you guys can resume your pissing contest with more vigor.

I just asked him a simple question. Why are the young guys paying for it now. When I lived in Thailand in my 20's I don't remember shelling out much cash for company. But he seems to have taken it as a point of honor to be able to comment about things he has not read or wants me to spoon feed him the information which I refused to do.

Ok CMK, read the article, what was it about, trying to promote a hotel, or saying what anyone living in Bkk has been observing for a good few years, that there are many younger farangs in bars.

Ages were never mentioned as asked by a previous poster, the age of the German was never mentioned, I can only assume once you reach a certain age many people appear to be young.

One thing not mentioned, again anyone who lives in Bkk and visits these areas will know is, the amount of farang girls there wiith their farang boyfriends, maybe thats why they dont need to pay for it, I dont know only a hunch.

Care to comment.

For BS, not a heated pissing contest, just a light natured bit of banter with one of our more senior memebers.

Perhaps CMK should pay a visit to the capital and check out the nightlife rather than take whats written on a website as gospel.

[HardenedSoul]

I believe you. Not everyone pays for it.

Ok so lemme ask you - when you were younger, did you have to pay for it?

[chiangmaikelly]

I believe you. Not everyone pays for it.

Ok so lemme ask you - when you were younger, did you have to pay for it?

When I was 22 I lived in Thailand. I was a good looking lad and married an American Beauty queen. I had made a couple of Hollywood movies (extra). Did I have to pay for it? I didn't then and I don't now. My wife and I split the bills according to our income each paying the same percent. My wife bought our new house. I bought our new furniture. What do I and Hugh Grant have in common? We both pay for it on occasion but I'm not ashamed of that fact.

My question is why are some men so hesitant to admit what everyone already knows. I can't tell you how many hotels I have managed. I know the reality of life and even DSK pays.

[chiangmaikelly]

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I don't normally like to interrupt a heated pissing contest, but just this once.

rgs, why don't you just read the article already? It'll take you only a few minutes. That's really the whole intent of this thread, isn't it? The article? Then maybe you guys can resume your pissing contest with more vigor.

I just asked him a simple question. Why are the young guys paying for it now. When I lived in Thailand in my 20's I don't remember shelling out much cash for company. But he seems to have taken it as a point of honor to be able to comment about things he has not read or wants me to spoon feed him the information which I refused to do.

Ok CMK, read the article, what was it about, trying to promote a hotel, or saying what anyone living in Bkk has been observing for a good few years, that there are many younger farangs in bars.

Ages were never mentioned as asked by a previous poster, the age of the German was never mentioned, I can only assume once you reach a certain age many people appear to be young.

One thing not mentioned, again anyone who lives in Bkk and visits these areas will know is, the amount of farang girls there wiith their farang boyfriends, maybe thats why they dont need to pay for it, I dont know only a hunch.

Care to comment.

For BS, not a heated pissing contest, just a light natured bit of banter with one of our more senior memebers.

Perhaps CMK should pay a visit to the capital and check out the nightlife rather than take whats written on a website as gospel.

I was commenting on the observation by both men that the age of the customers of the naughty nightlife in Thailand is getting younger and I feel that is the case all over Thailand.

[thenoilif]

I finally read the SM article and I as usual I find it highly self serving. Not sure if SM has an sort of business affiliation with the brewmeister but this seems to be a marketing campaign to get people to come back to Soi 33 which would benefit the interviewee's business interests greatly. The biggest red flag was the whole part about there being less highly paid expats in Thailand. I'm one of these expats and I've been coming and going to Thailand for over 14 years and it's pretty obvious that the Expat community has grown considerably. Part of this is due to the lack of jobs in the West. More and more young professionals are seeking work abroad, especially in Asia, and the economic boom here has created many jobs in industries of real estate and finance. In the past, the jobs were not plentiful but were available but very few western foreigners wanted to make the move to Thailand. There may be a slight decline in the ultra high expat packages (200,000-300,000/mth) but they have been replaced with many more lower packages (100,000-200,000/mth).

The one thing I do agree with in the article is why Soi 33 is dying. There's nothing there and it's completely off the radar as far as places to hang out. Sure the women dress nicely but the overall quality wasn't better than other areas but you pay much higher rates. I guess the draw was that the women were uni students and could actually carry on a decent conversation but most of the young guys I know that pay for women aren't looking for a GFE they all just want ST. They could care less about conversation because they can get that from the normal girls around town in which there are many that want to meet a foreigner, some bad but most are good normal girls. The only issue is the latter may not be as sexually active as these young guys would like so they fulfill their needs via the bars.

Lastly, the bar scenes in Thailand are booming in order to accomodate the rise in foreign expats. The following is a list of places that have basically replaced Soi 33:

1. Thong Lo/Ekamai - The trendy place to hang out. Many up-class pubs and lounges that are full of normal, young professional Thai women who are open to meeting foreign guys. Most of the places in Thong Lo are relaxed so it's easier to hang out with friends and also to meet new people.

2. Soi 11 - Expats that are more into the club scene hang out on Soi 11. Most of the women who hang out here are in the business but some normal girls that like the attention come around as well. Places like Q-Bar, Levels, and Bed Supperclub have taken the perceived high class hooker theme from Soi 33 so many of the higher priced or "sophisticated" girls just hang out at the clubs looking for customers.

3. Khao San - Interestingly enough, Khao San has changed into an all man's land. There are several bars and restaurants that have opened up over the last few years that are considered hype and trendy so they are generally packed with young high-so thais and young expats.

4. RCA and Ratchada - The younger expats are taking the time to learn more Thai before coming or while they are here so the normally Thai-dominated places like RCA and the soapy massage shops in Ratchada are now being frequented by the younger guys with the latter also cutting into the "high-class" draw that Soi 33 used to offer.

5. Pattaya/Samui/Phuket/Soi Cowboy/Nana - I've found that the young expats prefer weekend trips to the beach P4P scenes over frequenting the big three in BKK. The bar scene in BKK is losing out to the beach scenes because you can get a total package of women, sun, beach and partying in Pattaya and Phuket. Of course the BKK venues are doing fine but I would say that the younger guys prefer the p4p clubs in BKK over the gogo's.

[TommoPhysicist]

I was commenting on the observation by both men that the age of the customers of the naughty nightlife in Thailand is getting younger and I feel that is the case all over Thailand.

So the American soldiers coming to Thailand in the 60s-70s for R&R either weren't young, or weren't paying for it?

And the French soldiers before that?

I'm thinking loads of them were 18-23 and paying for it, so younger than the guys here now.

Edited December 13, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[chiangmaikelly]

I was commenting on the observation by both men that the age of the customers of the naughty nightlife in Thailand is getting younger and I feel that is the case all over Thailand.

So the American soldiers coming to Thailand in the 60s-70s for R&R either weren't young, or weren't paying for it?

And the French soldiers before that?

I'm thinking loads of them were 18-23 and paying for it, so younger than the guys here now.

French?

[HerbalEd]

Pray tell, mate!

Sukhumvit and Soi 4 are nowhere near the tip of the iceberg for a grand old time in BKK!

Take no offense, but that area--while fun!--should put no feather in your cap...

And yet you provide no alternative that's better.

[HerbalEd]

Even guys who can otherwise easily get laid can enjoy the pleasures of the Thai working girls. What makes you think that only the desperate frequent the Thai pro sex scenes?

[ivan96822]

^^^^^^^

Funny I didn't mention the desperate.

I take comfort in the fact that of my time spent in Sukhumvit, freebies regularly present themselves.

It must be my charming personality.

[JeffreyWitty]

Hold on a minute....

I haven't read all the replies yet - so this may have been stated - if so, I apologize.

Younger men coming to get laid in Thailand has NOTHING to do with them NOT being able to get laid in their home country.

People MISTAKENLY assume this!

------------------The truth is, that many men, every age, just WANT to get laid - period!----------------

Often, the time and EFFORT to get companionship/sex in one's own land is NOT worth the effort!

This isn't just happening in Thailand either. There are hundreds of countries that "allow" women to have sex with men (or VISA VERSA!) for money. If you go to any of them you will see a large range of ages!

The thing now is, younger folks are choosing to save a little more and go overseas to party than spending every dime they have each weekend in their own lands.

"Not being able to get laid" Is SUCH an untrue statement these days.

[Ulysses G.]

"Not being able to get laid" Is SUCH an untrue statement these days.

I never had a problem getting laid back home, but the pickings were slim when it came to really attractive young ladies. However, that is not the case in Asia.