I noticed the graphic in the Daily Mail comparing Ciudad Juarez and Manchester had the following statistics:

CJ Manchester

Population 1.3 million 2.2 million

Murders 6000 (at least) 35

Police 5000 armed with assault rifles 7500 armed with truncheons

Not really a valid comparison.

As for the videos all all I can say is those big brave BNP men must be real girl's blouses. I used to go to Brum regularly for work and I always enjoyed it. Mind you, I like a bit of variety and diversity and I'm not afraid of being the only white man in town.

Ciudad Juarez is a poor comparison, as it is a relatively poor city blighted by exported lawlessness from its wealthier neighbour El Paso across the Rio Grande (I think it might actually be the less well-known Rio Bravo that separates the two cities and nations).

A comparison with Durango might be more meaningful

SC

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

What a silly post.

Do you have any idea how many football games are played in the US each year when you consider professional, college, junior college, high school, junior high school and Pop Warner leagues?

There are literally thousands of games played each week. Picking one small incident is hardly a responsible position.

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

A one-off fight at a kid's football game in California in a thread about violent crime in the UK? Here's a link to something actually on-topic.

7 Most Dangerous British Soccer ‘Hooligan Firms’

They’re as British as Page 3 girls or fish and chips – but they’re far from tasty, except when it comes to a brutal scrap. In fact, gangs of vicious soccer thugs leave a decidedly bad taste in the mouth. And if, while wearing the wrong colors, you chanced upon a troop of these yobbos after an English football match, you might soon be savoring the taste of blood and a gob full of smashed teeth.

http://www.popcrunch...-firms-england/

No one thinks about getting shot in the USA because not only the criminals have guns.

Fact - Whether today or three years ago, women & children are a rarity at football matches in England. No need to ask people in England, they show the matches on TV around the world and when they show the stands it's clear it is not a family game (however it is in the USA though where it is a safer environment)

There are hotbeds of violence in American inner cities for sure, and most have strict gun laws (and most vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats, fwiw). Since this thread is about the violent crime in the UK, I wonder if there are any rough neighborhoods there, or is everyplace just fields of lollipops and unicorns?

There are several well-known 'no-go' areas in the UK, for various reasons.

http://www.dailymail...ico-Brazil.html

http://metro.co.uk/2...hettoes-334865/

All the videos and articles are dated in 2012 and split between the drug no-go areas and the Muslim-controlled no-go areas. (The latter are so labelled by the BNP)

What a load of tosh....! How can you have no-go areas if a couple of BNP geniuses can spend time driving around and (gosh how brave) actually getting out of their car and setting foot in the "occupied territory"?

And in answer to Koheesti's earlier post, of course there are unpleasant places in the UK. Every paradise has its mosquitoes! But compared to Newark, East St Louis, parts of Memphis and Detroit, Camden etc, they are a walk in the proverbial park.

As far as I am aware the only real no-go area that has ever existed (outside BNP and Daily Mail scare headlines) was the Bogside area on the west bank of Londonderry/Derry, from Aug1971 to July 1972. That was a seriously nasty place run by the delightful Martin McGuinness....

I don't see what those BNP guys were actually complaining about. It looks like any ethnic neighborhood that you'd expect to find in big cities. The comment when they passed that Islamic High School about how we are at war with them and in WWII the enemy wasn't so out in the open was a bit disturbing seeing as how we are not at war with Islam, it just so happens to be the religion of choice of the ones we are fighting. As for those Free Gaza murals, while I don't agree with the sentiment at least the artwork was tastefully done.

Well, I have to admit I was wrong about Football in the UK not being a family affair...

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

What a silly post.

Do you have any idea how many football games are played in the US each year when you consider professional, college, junior college, high school, junior high school and Pop Warner leagues?

There are literally thousands of games played each week. Picking one small incident is hardly a responsible position.

It's as silly a post as this whole thread which was just posted as distraction to try and get us away from the Sandy Hook tragedy and its ramifications. Even the thread title is a parody of 'Time for the USA to tighten gun laws'. How daft do you think we are?

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

What a silly post.

Do you have any idea how many football games are played in the US each year when you consider professional, college, junior college, high school, junior high school and Pop Warner leagues?

There are literally thousands of games played each week. Picking one small incident is hardly a responsible position.

It's as silly a post as this whole thread which was just posted as distraction to try and get us away from the Sandy Hook tragedy and its ramifications. Even the thread title is a parody of 'Time for the USA to tighten gun laws'. How daft do you think we are?

Endure at least were not daft enough to demand the right to keep automatic weapons under the stairs.

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

What a silly post.

Do you have any idea how many football games are played in the US each year when you consider professional, college, junior college, high school, junior high school and Pop Warner leagues?

There are literally thousands of games played each week. Picking one small incident is hardly a responsible position.

It's as silly a post as this whole thread which was just posted as distraction to try and get us away from the Sandy Hook tragedy and its ramifications. Even the thread title is a parody of 'Time for the USA to tighten gun laws'. How daft do you think we are?

You really want an answer to that?

There is a mass shooting in America. People claim America is a violent society that is addicted to guns. They point to other countries that have few gun homicides as if they are paradises. So the OP decides to turn the tables and shine a light on one of those gun-free paradises, the UK, showing how incredibly violent it is.

No Guns does not equal No Violence, Murder, Rape, etc. It is easy for non-analytical thinkers to use a shooting as evidence that "guns are bad and kill people". But a closer examination of the available stats shows that people living in the gun-free paradise of the UK are much more likely to be violently assaulted and that is more than likely due to the fact that the criminals know you aren't armed. Some people are fine with that, some aren't.

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

What a silly post.

Do you have any idea how many football games are played in the US each year when you consider professional, college, junior college, high school, junior high school and Pop Warner leagues?

There are literally thousands of games played each week. Picking one small incident is hardly a responsible position.

It's as silly a post as this whole thread which was just posted as distraction to try and get us away from the Sandy Hook tragedy and its ramifications. Even the thread title is a parody of 'Time for the USA to tighten gun laws'. How daft do you think we are?

Endure at least were not daft enough to demand the right to keep automatic weapons under the stairs.

Who is demanding that?

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

What a silly post.

Do you have any idea how many football games are played in the US each year when you consider professional, college, junior college, high school, junior high school and Pop Warner leagues?

There are literally thousands of games played each week. Picking one small incident is hardly a responsible position.

It's as silly a post as this whole thread which was just posted as distraction to try and get us away from the Sandy Hook tragedy and its ramifications. Even the thread title is a parody of 'Time for the USA to tighten gun laws'. How daft do you think we are?

You really want an answer to that?

There is a mass shooting in America. People claim America is a violent society that is addicted to guns. They point to other countries that have few gun homicides as if they are paradises. So the OP decides to turn the tables and shine a light on one of those gun-free paradises, the UK, showing how incredibly violent it is.

No Guns does not equal No Violence, Murder, Rape, etc. It is easy for non-analytical thinkers to use a shooting as evidence that "guns are bad and kill people". But a closer examination of the available stats shows that people living in the gun-free paradise of the UK are much more likely to be violently assaulted and that is more than likely due to the fact that the criminals know you aren't armed. Some people are fine with that, some aren't.

We've still not seen any like-for-like comparison between violent crime in various countries, as far as I recall. We have seen gun-related homicide data (on another thread) and we have seen overall crime rates, but nothing to suggest anyone is "much more" likely to be violently assaulted in one place compared to another.

As you mention, it is time for the UK to tighten up on violent crime. In the 1970s, it was time for the UK to tighten up on violence at football matches, and they did so, with great effect.

SC

http://www.foxnews.c...-football-game/

What a silly post.

Do you have any idea how many football games are played in the US each year when you consider professional, college, junior college, high school, junior high school and Pop Warner leagues?

There are literally thousands of games played each week. Picking one small incident is hardly a responsible position.

It's as silly a post as this whole thread which was just posted as distraction to try and get us away from the Sandy Hook tragedy and its ramifications. Even the thread title is a parody of 'Time for the USA to tighten gun laws'. How daft do you think we are?

The only distraction that was intended was to make the Brits and Aussies look in their own backyard for a change. There are currently three threads running on TV criticizing the US for our 2nd Amendment and US conservatives as brainless rednecks from the deep south. Perhaps a little balance was in order to get some inner soul searching going on both sides of the Atlantic.

How daft do I think you (rhetorical you) are? After reading most of the posts on the aforementioned three threads...pretty darned daft!

The last time that we in the UK had our version of Sandy Hook (Dunblane) was in 1996 and we did something about it. We haven't had a similar incident since. Now I accept that what we did to solve our problem wouldn't work in the USA but it appears to me (and it's just my opinion) that there's lots of hand-wringing going on about Sandy Hook but not much else. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

BTW the best place for UK crime figures is the British Crime Survey. It only covers the UK as it'd compiled by the Home Office.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/science-research/research-statistics/crime/crime-statistics/british-crime-survey/

No one thinks about getting shot in the USA because not only the criminals have guns.

Fact - Whether today or three years ago, women & children are a rarity at football matches in England. No need to ask people in England, they show the matches on TV around the world and when they show the stands it's clear it is not a family game (however it is in the USA though where it is a safer environment)

There are hotbeds of violence in American inner cities for sure, and most have strict gun laws (and most vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats, fwiw). Since this thread is about the violent crime in the UK, I wonder if there are any rough neighborhoods there, or is everyplace just fields of lollipops and unicorns?

There are several well-known 'no-go' areas in the UK, for various reasons.

http://www.dailymail...ico-Brazil.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN9fOTpidhU

http://metro.co.uk/2...hettoes-334865/

All the videos and articles are dated in 2012 and split between the drug no-go areas and the Muslim-controlled no-go areas. (The latter are so labelled by the BNP)

What a load of tosh....! How can you have no-go areas if a couple of BNP geniuses can spend time driving around and (gosh how brave) actually getting out of their car and setting foot in the "occupied territory"?

And in answer to Koheesti's earlier post, of course there are unpleasant places in the UK. Every paradise has its mosquitoes! But compared to Newark, East St Louis, parts of Memphis and Detroit, Camden etc, they are a walk in the proverbial park.

As far as I am aware the only real no-go area that has ever existed (outside BNP and Daily Mail scare headlines) was the Bogside area on the west bank of Londonderry/Derry, from Aug1971 to July 1972. That was a seriously nasty place run by the delightful Martin McGuinness....

Instead of attacking the source why not comment on religiously motivated violence, both who are the victims and who are the perpetrators. There are statistics available and if you doubt the reality of them try dressing up as an orthodox Jew and walk through the center of Luton and see just how you fare.

And by the way Merry Christmas, and I mean it with all the usual tinsel, Christmas trees, puddings washed down with whatever is your alcohol of preference; and not some bland mid-winter festival nonsense for fear of offending the professional offence takers.

The last time that we in the UK had our version of Sandy Hook (Dunblane) was in 1996 and we did something about it. We haven't had a similar incident since. Now I accept that what we did to solve our problem wouldn't work in the USA but it appears to me (and it's just my opinion) that there's lots of hand-wringing going on about Sandy Hook but not much else. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

BTW the best place for UK crime figures is the British Crime Survey. It only covers the UK as it'd compiled by the Home Office.

http://www.homeoffic...h-crime-survey/

You can focus on Dunblane, but looking at once every blue moon events is not exactly scientific and is actually misleading. Indeed post-Dunblane gun crime as a whole doubled between 1997 when handgun ownership was banned and 2003.