American Accused Of Unlawful Encounter With 13 Year Old Girl On Pattaya Beach

[brewsterbudgen]

American Caught with 13 year old in Hotel Room

PATTAYA:--Neal Rosenthal, a 38 year old America, was arrested in a Pattaya hotel room by Police and the local Women and children protection unit, as he planned sex with a 13 year old.

Rosenthal, married just last year to a Thai Lady with a pre-teen child and living in Southern Thailand, is a Scuba diving instructor with Kao Lak Scuba adventures, but the Chicago man was caught in a hotel room with a 13 year old who had been noticed by the authorities as she offered herself to passing tourists on Beach Road. Not much older than his own step daughter, the girl was easily persuaded to go with him to a hotel room after agreeing to a 700 baht fee for her services.

Rosenethal,three times her age, claimed that she had told him she was 19, but authorities are loathe to believe him. He admitted taking her to the room for sex and was discovered, along with her,by the officers who went to the room with a specialist team..

Sadly, the girl had already raised attention and Police were monitoring her as the Women and Children’s protection unit was called to scene. It was during that time that Rosenthal approached her and walked with her to the room where, the photographs held as evidence, show the two naked in bed.

Full story:http://www.pattaya10...-in-hotel-room/

--Pattaya 103 FM 2013-01-30

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Unbelievably salacious reporting!

Locals we interviewed suggested several courses of action if he is found guilty, however most are not printable, save to say that he would, at their suggestion, remain in a horizontal position suspended by a rope attached to certain body parts. A survey of local Expats quickly established that they are sickened, and hope that justice takes its full course.

Edited January 30, 2013 by brewsterbudgen

[lemoncake]

The age of consent is pretty much irrelevant when they did not engage in any sexual activity, maybe the pigs should have waiting a few more minutes before busting the door down.

According to the report that I read they were both naked.

Was the sexual engagement via telepathy ?

The report I read mentions they were in a state of undress, notice also the person is "accused" of an unlawful encounter, what is this exactly. if any kind of sexual activity was found Iam sure he would be accused of something a lot more substantial and be-fitting of all those here crying out PEADO.

From PDN:

Later the police entered the hotel room and identified themselves as police and arrested them. Both the tourist and girl were naked when they were surprised by the officers. Police found 2 condoms and a pack of condoms on top of the bed, which they seized for evidence. The foreigner was identified as Mr. Neal Rosenthal, age 38, nationality American.

that is horrifying, just the thought of someone being safe and using condoms. may be those were going to be used as ballons for the upcoming birthday party

[spidermike007]

After the parents charged officially Mr. Rosenthal, the police report will mention the amount of their "moral" claim for the scandal...

If he pays - due to the media, a huge sum - the charges in Thailand will be dropped.

Idem dito for the US. He will still remain suspect...in the US.

By the way, he's from Chicago...

She accepted money = prostitution (no rape)

Now, if you want to send the guy 10 years in jail in the US, what is your defenition of "obscenity for personal gratification" during the 20 minutes in the hotel ?

You are absolutely incorrect. The US government could not give a rats ass what the Thai government. Read your law. He is subject to US law, and they will pursue him. The only way he can get away with this, is if the Thai authorities do not alert the American authorities. That is very unlikely. In the case of a 16, or 17 year old maybe, but a 13 year old will be an absolute conviction, and he will serve at least 10 years. Case closed. No evidence required, other than the fact that he was caught red handed.

[brewsterbudgen]

After the parents charged officially Mr. Rosenthal, the police report will mention the amount of their "moral" claim for the scandal...

If he pays - due to the media, a huge sum - the charges in Thailand will be dropped.

Idem dito for the US. He will still remain suspect...in the US.

By the way, he's from Chicago...

She accepted money = prostitution (no rape)

Now, if you want to send the guy 10 years in jail in the US, what is your defenition of "obscenity for personal gratification" during the 20 minutes in the hotel ?

You are absolutely incorrect. The US government could not give a rats ass what the Thai government. Read your law. He is subject to US law, and they will pursue him. The only way he can get away with this, is if the Thai authorities do not alert the American authorities. That is very unlikely. In the case of a 16, or 17 year old maybe, but a 13 year old will be an absolute conviction, and he will serve at least 10 years. Case closed. No evidence required, other than the fact that he was caught red handed.

So would he be handed over to the American authorities in Thailand, or will it only happen if he travels back to the US?

Presumably if the Thai authorities drop the charges (as may well happen if enough money exchanges hands) there will be nothing the US authorities can do?

[Rimmer]

Inflammatory posts removed also quoted replies of the same

[ALFREDO]

His Thai wife will not be happy to! (Report 103 FM)

Problems arise on every side, regarding job and future to and what a cheap price, 700 Baht!?

I surprised, how cheap young girls try to give herself away!

What is the respond if the parents?

They sent her to do that kind of thing?

Should they not be responsible to check, what their daughter is doing at the wee hours of the night?

Edited January 30, 2013 by ALFREDO

[lemoncake]

His Thai wife will not be happy to! (Report 103 FM)

Problems arise on every side, regarding job and future to and what a cheap price, 700 Baht!?

I surprised, how cheap young girls try to give herself away!

What is the respond if the parents?

They sent her to do that kind of thing?

Should they not be responsible to check, what their daughter is doing at the wee hours of the night?

do you have any links or more info about the wife? because i i mentioned earlier i had 1 staff(female thai) with same surname, she was married and wondering if its the husband

[Thorgal]

After the parents charged officially Mr. Rosenthal, the police report will mention the amount of their "moral" claim for the scandal...

If he pays - due to the media, a huge sum - the charges in Thailand will be dropped.

Idem dito for the US. He will still remain suspect...in the US.

By the way, he's from Chicago...

She accepted money = prostitution (no rape)

Now, if you want to send the guy 10 years in jail in the US, what is your defenition of "obscenity for personal gratification" during the 20 minutes in the hotel ?

You are absolutely incorrect. The US government could not give a rats ass what the Thai government. Read your law. He is subject to US law, and they will pursue him. The only way he can get away with this, is if the Thai authorities do not alert the American authorities. That is very unlikely. In the case of a 16, or 17 year old maybe, but a 13 year old will be an absolute conviction, and he will serve at least 10 years. Case closed. No evidence required, other than the fact that he was caught red handed.

For your information :

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03212.htm

[Jayman]

So 4 am is broad daylight in your part of Thailand ?

Did you look at the picture of the girl in the article? She's as tall as the officers surrounding her.

I smell a rat.

From the back side you cannot predict any age of the girl!

But, if she looks very young, checking of her ID-card would be a necessary precaution!

I was once in Bangkoks Sukhumvit and I thought the young lady looked same 26, she said 19.

I checked her ID, because I thought she is lying and made herself younger than she is - dark in late night Sukhumvit.

She had an old ID with the Thai calendar and Thai years. I counted wrong used not the right actual Thai year up to date and came to the solution, yes 19.

But in my Hotel they checked the ID, usual there and did not let her in, she was actual 17!

I would have said 26!

Already had some Tattoos on her body! No Newbi to the scene it seemed!

Yes, everyone needs to be careful as there are MANY under 18 girls working in the gogos of Pattaya. When they get barfined, they borrow the ID card of one of the older girls in the bar so they have something to show the hotel where you stay. I have seen this act go down multiple times and even had to stop friends from getting themselves into what could be a life ruining situation. Of course, all these girls will tell you they are 18+ when the customer asks them. It's only from understanding the language that you hear them making plans to get an ID for the night that the truth comes out.

To be honest, this could happen to any punter even if being cautious.

Very true. Although the chances of being busted when barfining a girl from a gogo and taking her back to a hotel which checks her (fake) ID are minimal to non-existent.

Says who?

[lemoncake]

After the parents charged officially Mr. Rosenthal, the police report will mention the amount of their "moral" claim for the scandal...

If he pays - due to the media, a huge sum - the charges in Thailand will be dropped.

Idem dito for the US. He will still remain suspect...in the US.

By the way, he's from Chicago...

She accepted money = prostitution (no rape)

Now, if you want to send the guy 10 years in jail in the US, what is your defenition of "obscenity for personal gratification" during the 20 minutes in the hotel ?

You are absolutely incorrect. The US government could not give a rats ass what the Thai government. Read your law. He is subject to US law, and they will pursue him. The only way he can get away with this, is if the Thai authorities do not alert the American authorities. That is very unlikely. In the case of a 16, or 17 year old maybe, but a 13 year old will be an absolute conviction, and he will serve at least 10 years. Case closed. No evidence required, other than the fact that he was caught red handed.

For starters in America police will not allow a 13 year old wonder the streets in prostitute zones.

They will also not allow a 13 year old to go into the room with a paying customer, nor will they monitor a 13 year old.

So lets stop with this nonsense what would happened in other country.

Again he did not go looking for underage girl outside the school or playground, or candy shop or games arcade or movies.

He was in a well known zone for prostitutes at 4 am, 4 am is not the time for underage girls to be anywhere in public without parents.

IF this happened in US, Police officers involved would be the first ones loosing their jobs for allowing this to happen

[David006]

...hmmm probably not that relevant to this heinous crime but..

was in Phuket last week getting blotto as usual and a long time friend of the ife was visiting from Marseille ..

She was with a somewhat quiet french guy who maybe was her meal ticket..not my business.

....anyways she was rather flamboyant and funny and we got chatting and she asked me "how old you think I am"..well being the quintessential gentleman..huh um........said I thought she was probably about 24...big laughs ....so I knew I was low so I said okay...42..she laughs and said right! how you know ..I says I counted your teeth......and your belly is a not THAT flat..good times.....lol

[ALFREDO]

His Thai wife will not be happy to! (Report 103 FM)

Problems arise on every side, regarding job and future to and what a cheap price, 700 Baht!?

I surprised, how cheap young girls try to give herself away!

What is the respond if the parents?

They sent her to do that kind of thing?

Should they not be responsible to check, what their daughter is doing at the wee hours of the night?

do you have any links or more info about the wife? because i i mentioned earlier i had 1 staff(female thai) with same surname, she was married and wondering if its the husband

Sorry, no.

But, if you know her husband is/was a scuba diving teacher,.last in Kao Lak. as mentioned in the report, than the possibility is very likely.

[candypants]

Officers from the Police Region 2 Child and Women Protection Unit were monitoring the 13 year old girl around 4am on Tuesday Morning and were about to detain her and take her into care when they saw an approach by the American,

Why do I smell a set up ?

set up or no, he took the bait.

She was 13.

[Thailand1977]

After the parents charged officially Mr. Rosenthal, the police report will mention the amount of their "moral" claim for the scandal...

If he pays - due to the media, a huge sum - the charges in Thailand will be dropped.

Idem dito for the US. He will still remain suspect...in the US.

By the way, he's from Chicago...

She accepted money = prostitution (no rape)

Now, if you want to send the guy 10 years in jail in the US, what is your defenition of "obscenity for personal gratification" during the 20 minutes in the hotel ?

You are absolutely incorrect. The US government could not give a rats ass what the Thai government. Read your law. He is subject to US law, and they will pursue him. The only way he can get away with this, is if the Thai authorities do not alert the American authorities. That is very unlikely. In the case of a 16, or 17 year old maybe, but a 13 year old will be an absolute conviction, and he will serve at least 10 years. Case closed. No evidence required, other than the fact that he was caught red handed.

For starters in America police will not allow a 13 year old wonder the streets in prostitute zones.

They will also not allow a 13 year old to go into the room with a paying customer, nor will they monitor a 13 year old.

So lets stop with this nonsense what would happened in other country.

Again he did not go looking for underage girl outside the school or playground, or candy shop or games arcade or movies.

He was in a well known zone for prostitutes at 4 am, 4 am is not the time for underage girls to be anywhere in public without parents.

IF this happened in US, Police officers involved would be the first ones loosing their jobs for allowing this to happen

The guys probably drunk walking back to his room, sees an attractive young girl and thinks why not.

I'd never suspect a 13 year old to be here at 4am, he seems like the catch of the month so these agencies can justify their existence.

[Zodiac]

Its irrelevant whether or not the American was "set-up" or not. He solicits a child and is subsequently discovered in a compromising situation with her. In otherwords he is caught red handed.

Lets hope justice is done.

Edited January 30, 2013 by Zodiac

[Jingthing]

Its irrelevant whether or not the American was "set-up" or not. He solicits an under age child and is subsequently discovered in a compromising situation with her. In otherwords he is caught red handed.

Lets hope justice is done.

Hardly any kind of justice if he didn't INTEND to hire an underage sex worker and didn't REALIZE he had done so. As I said before, do we want societies to lock up everyone who MIGHT be pedos? If this was just a horrible accident for this American, what's happening to him is a great injustice. No we can't know for sure, but this case as presented is filled with doubt. Edited January 30, 2013 by Jingthing

[prestburypark]

When I first came to the village where I now live , some 8 years ago now ,I met a German fella who had been here 25 years already, a proper old hand.

In the course of conversation he said that the mentality in the east was so different to what it was in the west that I should remember one thing above all, about the east in general : " to them you are sport, and if they can possibly <deleted> you up, they will".

A version of this should be on every visa issued I reckon.

[lemoncake]

Its irrelevant whether or not the American was "set-up" or not. He solicits an under age child and is subsequently discovered in a compromising situation with her. In otherwords he is caught red handed.

Lets hope justice is done.

Hardly any kind of justice if he didn't INTEND to hire an underage sex worker and didn't REALIZE he had done so. As I said before, do we want societies to lock up everyone who MIGHT be pedos? If this was just a horrible accident for this American, what's happening to him is a great injustice.

well jing.... according to some on this forum apparently so. Those are so righteous that not only they would not even jay walk, but would hunt down anyone that does, hence the reason they moved to Thailand to uphold the law or visit Thailand to make sure the law is upheld

[Spoonman]

Its irrelevant whether or not the American was "set-up" or not. He solicits an under age child and is subsequently discovered in a compromising situation with her. In otherwords he is caught red handed.

Lets hope justice is done.

If the intention was to solicit a minor don't you think he would have told her to move on when she said she was 19 ?

[Thorgal]

Its irrelevant whether or not the American was "set-up" or not. He solicits an under age child and is subsequently discovered in a compromising situation with her. In otherwords he is caught red handed.

Lets hope justice is done.

'Red handed', yes.

In these type of cases you don't need to 'hope' for justice at all. We all know that the real sharks in this storry will remain free and untouchable...and start over again...

[Zodiac]

I have edited my earlier post to read "child". I meant to say an under age person who is a child.

By the way: most legal systems say that it is no defence in law that a person who solicits an under age person believes she or he was over age. This principle applies even if the under age says she is old enough or has some (false) identity saying she is over age.

What such an innocent belief (about the age of the girl) may do is reduce(mitigate) the sentence after conviction.

Whether the above is fair or not is likewise irrelevant.

"ignorance of the law is no excuse".

Edited January 30, 2013 by Zodiac

[lemoncake]

I have edited my earlier post to read "child". I meant to say an under age person who is a child.

By the way: most legal systems say that it is no defence in law that a person who solicits an under age person believes she or he was over age. This principle applies even if the under age says she is old enough or has some (false) identity saying she is over age.

What such an innocent belief (about the age of the girl) may do is reduce(mitigate) the sentence after conviction.

Whether the above is fair or not is likewise irrelevant.

"ignorance of the law is no excuse".

what makes you think that he solicited her and not other way around?

[Jayman]

I have edited my earlier post to read "child". I meant to say an under age person who is a child.

By the way: most legal systems say that it is no defence in law that a person who solicits an under age person believes she or he was over age. This principle applies even if the under age says she is old enough or has some (false) identity saying she is over age.

What such an innocent belief (about the age of the girl) may do is reduce(mitigate) the sentence after conviction.

Whether the above is fair or not is likewise irrelevant.

"ignorance of the law is no excuse".

what makes you think that he solicited her and not other way around?

Haven't you been reading the thread? He's a dirty old American SEXPAT and she's an innocent 13 year old thai girl wandering the beaches of Pattaya at 4am looking for sea shells. Of course it's all his fault.

[Thorgal]

I have edited my earlier post to read "child". I meant to say an under age person who is a child.

By the way: most legal systems say that it is no defence in law that a person who solicits an under age person believes she or he was over age. This principle applies even if the under age says she is old enough or has some (false) identity saying she is over age.

What such an innocent belief (about the age of the girl) may do is reduce(mitigate) the sentence after conviction.

Whether the above is fair or not is likewise irrelevant.

"ignorance of the law is no excuse".

what makes you think that he solicited her and not other way around?

Haven't you been reading the thread? He's a dirty old American SEXPAT and she's an innocent 13 year old thai girl wandering the beaches of Pattaya at 4am looking for sea shells. Of course it's all his fault.

There are no sea shells on this part of the beach. What is your storry now ???

[lemoncake]

I have edited my earlier post to read "child". I meant to say an under age person who is a child.

By the way: most legal systems say that it is no defence in law that a person who solicits an under age person believes she or he was over age. This principle applies even if the under age says she is old enough or has some (false) identity saying she is over age.

What such an innocent belief (about the age of the girl) may do is reduce(mitigate) the sentence after conviction.

Whether the above is fair or not is likewise irrelevant.

"ignorance of the law is no excuse".

what makes you think that he solicited her and not other way around?

Haven't you been reading the thread? He's a dirty old American SEXPAT and she's an innocent 13 year old thai girl wandering the beaches of Pattaya at 4am looking for sea shells. Of course it's all his fault.

yeah sorry , those bloody kids hunters at 4am

[lemoncake]

I have edited my earlier post to read "child". I meant to say an under age person who is a child.

By the way: most legal systems say that it is no defence in law that a person who solicits an under age person believes she or he was over age. This principle applies even if the under age says she is old enough or has some (false) identity saying she is over age.

What such an innocent belief (about the age of the girl) may do is reduce(mitigate) the sentence after conviction.

Whether the above is fair or not is likewise irrelevant.

"ignorance of the law is no excuse".

what makes you think that he solicited her and not other way around?

Haven't you been reading the thread? He's a dirty old American SEXPAT and she's an innocent 13 year old thai girl wandering the beaches of Pattaya at 4am looking for sea shells. Of course it's all his fault.

There are no sea shells on this part of the beach. What is your storry now ???

may be she wanted to see the sunrise or looking for the nearest candy store

[Jayman]

what makes you think that he solicited her and not other way around?

Haven't you been reading the thread? He's a dirty old American SEXPAT and she's an innocent 13 year old thai girl wandering the beaches of Pattaya at 4am looking for sea shells. Of course it's all his fault.

There are no sea shells on this part of the beach. What is your storry now ???

may be she wanted to see the sunrise or looking for the nearest candy store

YES! That is the next obvious answer. Or maybe all the sea shells are already in her pocket but no way I'm gonna search her.

[yoslim]

this guy should be free to walk and the girl should be placed in a teen detention center, problem solved, justice done. Anything else is utter non-sense and typical pattaya falang scam

[jpinx]

So many "holier-than-thou" responses from guys who are actually saying "There but for the grace of God, go I." This guy was being a bad boy for sure, but no way is it clear that he intentionally picked up a junior. His greatest crime was not getting the ID checked by hotel, police - even a taxi-driver would have put him right.... Who approached who or who spoke first is immaterial - the girl went willingly for a price - he didn't have to strong-arm her or knock her over the head and bundle her into a taxi.

Anyone who has first hand experience of Beach Road will know that you will be approached at all times of day and night in the most casual manner by all styles, ages and sexes - - mostly indeterminable. The wise thing to do is enjoy some banter and move on. This guy was just tempted beyond his limit and didn't take the basic precautions. If he goes to court (he might as well now since his cover is well-blown anyway) the judge just might take the view that it was entrapment of one kind or another and not hit him too hard - at least that way the rednecks in USA will not get their hands on him.

[WaywardWind]

In a case like this, is the accused held on remand or given bail?

If convicted, would he be deported (after serving time in Thailand) and, if so, would he face charges in the US?

Bail is possible, if convicted it means blacklisting.

There will be no charges in the US if he is sentenced in Thailand. You cannot be convicted twice for the same offence. If he would skip bail and flee the country to the US he could face prosecution in the US.

This is not accurate.

Under the US PROTECT Act (18 U.S.C. § 2423©) a foreign prosecution does not affect the ability of the US to prosecute, under the dual sovereign exception to the double jeopardy protection of the Fifth Amendment.

This differs from the laws of the other countries, notably Australia, which bars subsequent prosecutions.