93-Year Old Australian Accused Of Sexually Assaulting 4 Young Thai Children

[Nisa]

How long ago did he "rape" these children? A man in his nineties raping four children? Surely,it is impossible. Especialy,if he has Prostate cancer. The Prostate is a gland that produces the liquid which makes the male sperm.

You seem to be confusing sexual intercourse with rape / child molestation.

[wellred]

Send him to the Bangkok Hilton to rot! I didn't think someone that age could even move about let alone do these things.

[callaway]

Innocent as Gary Glitter? I know the saying that if you get enough shit thrown at you then some will stick to you. But seriously, why would a man of his age want to get photos taken with naked kids and then email them to others. Surely thats not right. Of course there has to be proof of theses accusations, and if there is any, I say let the old <deleted> go to jail and rot. But i can see the point of others, that if this is a set up, then it would be horrific to be in this situation. Keep him in a holding cell and cared for until evidence is there to prove the charges. As an aussie myself, if he is found to be guilty of the charges, then i would love to be the person to turn the key of his cell for the first time so i can see the fear in his eyes. Have absolutely no time for kiddy fiddlers and wish them all a slow and painful death. They steal the innocence and life from the childs soul. Therefore deserve all the bad life can give to them.

[gaucho]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

agree totally ....oh so over the ...he hasnt had a trial yet brigade ...<deleted> he shot thru to burma in an attempt to be deported back to oz ......i have sympathy for the kids ....hope they can somehow recover ...

[saroq]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

The problem with being a 100% paid up member of the hang them high brigade is that eventually the brigade will get it wrong and demand punishment of an innocent. There are multiple cases of this occurring in all our countries as public perception and hysteria takes control. That doesn't mean that this man shouldn't face court regardless of his health issue. It does mean that the justice system should be allowed to do its job.

[JeremyBowskill]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

The problem with being a 100% paid up member of the hang them high brigade is that eventually the brigade will get it wrong and demand punishment of an innocent. There are multiple cases of this occurring in all our countries as public perception and hysteria takes control. That doesn't mean that this man shouldn't face court regardless of his health issue. It does mean that the justice system should be allowed to do its job.

The stupid old <deleted> legged it on bail and even then only next door! that alone is enough for him to sit in a cell and await court, stop trying to play the health card and take whats coming.

[JeremyBowskill]

Can only presume that the reason so many TV members seem to want this guy out on the streets is because lots of them will be in their 60s & 70's, married to a girl or living with 1 in their 20's and feel they are only a stone throw away from this mans moral code deep down...........

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Innocent as Gary Glitter? I know the saying that if you get enough shit thrown at you then some will stick to you. But seriously, why would a man of his age want to get photos taken with naked kids and then email them to others. Surely thats not right. Of course there has to be proof of theses accusations, and if there is any, I say let the old <deleted> go to jail and rot. But i can see the point of others, that if this is a set up, then it would be horrific to be in this situation. Keep him in a holding cell and cared for until evidence is there to prove the charges. As an aussie myself, if he is found to be guilty of the charges, then i would love to be the person to turn the key of his cell for the first time so i can see the fear in his eyes. Have absolutely no time for kiddy fiddlers and wish them all a slow and painful death. They steal the innocence and life from the childs soul. Therefore deserve all the bad life can give to them.

I'm making no presumptions one way or the other about this guy's guilt.

But the BIB are hardly an honest or trustworthy agency. Nor is it unknowns for some Thai families to try to extort/blackmail a farang.

If the BIB really have damning evidence against this guy, let them present it in court for a Thai judge to see and rule on.

Until then, even in Thailand, an accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. And nothing's been proven as yet.

[wilcopops]

I haven't read every word on this thread, but I have searched similar posts and there is something I find particularly disturbing.

I'd bet in this thread and ALL the others there is not ONE SINGLE POST that voices any concern for the victims. What does this indicate? They aren't interested, for some this is a seemingly good opportunity to delve into their own psyche and air any violent fantasies that are normally repressed.

- The truth of the matter is that this sort of thread is simply a "legitimised" way for undesirables to air their psychopathic and sadistic tendencies, a "virtual" blood bath of self gratification through schadenfreude, possible psychcosexual disorders and fantasies of inflicting pain upon others - and by the same people every time.

I guess until he is found guilty, they aren't victims.

So they can make accusations about the "perpetrator" in these circumstances but not express sympathy for any victims? - I'd say my point still stands

[wilcopops]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

agree totally ....oh so over the ...he hasnt had a trial yet brigade ...<deleted> he shot thru to burma in an attempt to be deported back to oz ......i have sympathy for the kids ....hope they can somehow recover ...

...bolt horse, gate bolted - does this ring a bell?

[youngXpat]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

agree totally ....oh so over the ...he hasnt had a trial yet brigade ...<deleted> he shot thru to burma in an attempt to be deported back to oz ......i have sympathy for the kids ....hope they can somehow recover ...

...bolt horse, gate bolted - does this ring a bell?

Although I agree with innocent until proven guilty, this man has been caught with numerous images, there seem to be many witnesses to his crimes and he tried to flee the country!!!

The actions of an innocent man??? And now he's trying to play the 'I'm an old, sick man' so what? Really sick! He deserves all he gets!

[dighambara]

Police allege they seized more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some with Mr Kraus posing with them.

Police say Mr Kraus gave his young victims money. They also

allege he emailed some obscene pictures overseas, suggesting he was part

of an international paedophilia network.

Hopefully he chokes on his next fresh muffin.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/93year-old-australian-accused-of-child-rape-in-thailand-20130305-2fhhs.html#ixzz2McW0fjfP

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

Interesting, isn't it that so many wish to persecute a sick old man.

Such urges are more common among adolescent boys, than among grown men.

Allegations are just words spoken - not proof. If photos of naked children are considered pornography, then half the tour groups of Asia are pedophiles.

What is truly bad, is Thailand is famous for extortion and this case has a ring of untruth.

Most of the people I know are in the late 60's to 70's and 9 to 1 have some elements of ED - meaning, if his partner isn't willing to help, then nothing can happen.

Yes very suspicious - Thai Justice, which always favor the Thais over the Falangs

[Carioca]

In most western countries if you are dying to unfit for trial then the courts won't bother with you. They just won't put you in jail.

They also tend to let you out if you have a life threatening illness.

If guilty it will probably be better for the hang em highs to have him kept in Thailand because if he went to Oz he would never be put in jail because of his age and illness.

Well, "most" may let you off the hook with this naive statement. If you happen to know about USA though you would be totally wrong. Today indigent mental patients are no longer put in the nuthouse, they are put in prisons and treated "exactly" the same way as the most hardened criminals(this without committing ANY crime whatsoever, or even an accusation of a crime. Merely a shrink saying a person could committ a crime. Same is true for medical deficiencies. They will house you in a prison and grant compassionate leave only when you can prove you have less than 3 months to live (try to do that with any "competent" medical board, forget it with a government bunch of hacks. I am unsure when the informed public became the ignorant, but I can assure you that statements such as "innocent until proven guilty" no longer have any relevance in modern criminal justice systems. The sad facts are that "if arrested, you are guilty automatically" no matter what we wish to believe about are human rights. The difference between honest citizens and criminals is only the degree in which we avoid the police's attention.

[Choonpon]

if found guilty which i believe he most probably is, i hope he has a long and slow lagging in jail, i hope he lives another 10 years spending it in a thai jail.

Doubt he can last 10yrs with terminal prostate cancer. Shame on him to target at young children! If he is really guilty of his crime, regardless of age or whatever cancer he has, he has to stand trial and pay for his crime.

[candypants]

My point is that the digital evidences/footage is not really linked to people of his generation.

Your last line made me laugh. How could he be taking the photos if he is in them? Also are you saying an old person can't use a digital camera/video camera etc

Indeed, the irony of posting this on ThaiVisa, a "modern" internet forum populated largely by senior citizens using current technology, is delicious.

[chooka]

This has been dragging on for nearly 3 years whilst the police try and gather evidence to put him before a court. I hate pedophilles with a passion, they are the lowest of low but this case sounds like a set up to me and the authorities are now trying to back down whilst saving face. If they had all the evidence like they claim then this guy could have been convicted and sentenced 2 yrs ago.

[siampolee]

Chooka post # 197.

In my opinion your post above is absolutely on target. 3 years to collate the evidence ?

Ye gods a stampede of police detective snails would overtake the current ongoing police investigation on this particular case which in my view is about as strong as the skin on a rice pudding.

Trial by the fourth estate and in the public domain is hardly an ethical judicial process.

Edited March 6, 2013 by siampolee

[epicstuff]

oh dear o dear how sad Im nearly crying ... someone help him and hit over the head with a shovel

[epicstuff]

I suspect this photo is not from Thailand, when was the last time you had to fill up your own car here?

I'm talking shorter and looser than this (who is NOT me by the way)

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

I was there yesterday and saw 2 old guys and one had the shortest shorts imaginable and loose around the thighs. looked like a bloody super mini skirt. I'm not saying he's a pervert, but I reckon he was about 75 and certainly didn't care that he was getting lots of looks......perhaps welcomed it!

stop it please, you blokes are firing up my ped antenna, its bad enough when i am in rural thailand, now i will be going to the supermarket and "high pants" harry, is in for the second look

Uptheos, can I ask where this shot came from?

Is it from the UK or Thailand?

Reading a little more about the case. Maybe I was hasty in a previous comment the crime is sexual assult I believe . but the evidence assuming it is evidence ( if not it is highly slanderous of the media for saying so a court could easily tell) but, posing naked with kids , We don't know the details here, but that could just as easily be a naturist kind of thing. I don't think I have ever posed naked with other kids but I wouldnt think twice about walking round my own garden naked infront of my own kids.. Id like to hear some clarification of what was in the photos . innocentely standing or lying on a beach somewhere naked or in the middle of a sexual act? what was on the pics?

[epicstuff]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

agree totally ....oh so over the ...he hasnt had a trial yet brigade ...<deleted> he shot thru to burma in an attempt to be deported back to oz ......i have sympathy for the kids ....hope they can somehow recover ...

...bolt horse, gate bolted - does this ring a bell?

Although I agree with innocent until proven guilty, this man has been caught with numerous images, there seem to be many witnesses to his crimes and he tried to flee the country!!!

The actions of an innocent man??? And now he's trying to play the 'I'm an old, sick man' so what? Really sick! He deserves all he gets!

Although I agree with innocent until proven guilty, this man has been

caught with numerous images, there seem to be many witnesses to his

crimes and he tried to flee the country!!!

The actions of an innocent man??? And now he's trying to play the

'I'm an old, sick man' so what? Really sick! He deserves all he gets!

ACTUALLY .. not refering to this case as I'm under informed but, YES... could be... I'd try and do a runner if I was being persecuted for something I didnt do and the state suddenly appeared with a stack of evidence against me, who wouldnt especcially somewhere like here where you know not everything is done by the book...,, i have never understood that argument....

[Beetlejuice]

Is this the same guy from the story about a year ago?

Yes.

And as I said at the time, I find the accusations against this man hard to believe.

This appears like a set up to me.

[wildorchid]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

YES GUILTY!!!! the 100 photos show his guilt and the emailing of phots show his guilt!!!

LET THE GERMAN PIG crawl into court and BURN IN HELL.....

[Sing_Sling]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

YES GUILTY!!!! the 100 photos show his guilt and the emailing of phots show his guilt!!!

LET THE GERMAN PIG crawl into court and BURN IN HELL.....

You seem a bit irate and cocksure of yourself there . . . you've seen the photos, have you? Well, they've been talked about for years but none have been leaked so far, which in itself is odd for Thailand.

German Pig? Dear, oh dear . . . Sorry: GERMAN PIG. There, that should make you feel better . . . and if nothing comes of these allegations then I am sure you would be the first to come here and take everything back you have spewed from your fingers. Now, tale a valium and chillllll . . .

As for doing a runner . . . who here wouldn't do a runner if confronted with trumped-up charges? (I'm not saying they are in this case.) I'd certainly hop for the next border if I was charged with something as heinous as this and I didn't do it

I'll wait until some sort of proof has been tabled/made public - and I'm not talking about the pics - maybe some independent body could verify the photos as being real . . . but the prosecution has done nothing of the sort so far and the glacial speed this is progressing at, for a high-profile case, is astounding

[GentlemanJim]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

YES GUILTY!!!! the 100 photos show his guilt and the emailing of phots show his guilt!!!

LET THE GERMAN PIG crawl into court and BURN IN HELL.....

A truly shocking post!

[ozziebloke]

In most western countries if you are dying to unfit for trial then the courts won't bother with you. They just won't put you in jail.

They also tend to let you out if you have a life threatening illness.

If guilty it will probably be better for the hang em highs to have him kept in Thailand because if he went to Oz he would never be put in jail because of his age and illness.

In most western countries if you are dying to unfit for trial then the courts won't bother with you. They just won't put you in jail.

They also tend to let you out if you have a life threatening illness.

If guilty it will probably be better for the hang em highs to have him kept in Thailand because if he went to Oz he would never be put in jail because of his age and illness.

In most western countries if you are dying to unfit for trial then the courts won't bother with you. They just won't put you in jail.

They also tend to let you out if you have a life threatening illness.

If guilty it will probably be better for the hang em highs to have him kept in Thailand because if he went to Oz he would never be put in jail because of his age and illness.

In most western countries if you are dying to unfit for trial then the courts won't bother with you. They just won't put you in jail.

They also tend to let you out if you have a life threatening illness.

If guilty it will probably be better for the hang em highs to have him kept in Thailand because if he went to Oz he would never be put in jail because of his age and illness.

If he went to Oz he would be arrested and investigated for the accused crimes!

[ozziebloke]

@ Dighambara

Interesting, isn't it that so many wish to persecute a sick old man.

Such urges are more common among adolescent boys, than among grown men.

Allegations are just words spoken - not proof. If photos of naked
children are considered pornography, then half the tour groups of Asia
are pedophiles.

What is truly bad, is Thailand is famous for extortion and this case has a ring of untruth.

Most of the people I know are in the late 60's to 70's and 9 to 1
have some elements of ED - meaning, if his partner isn't willing to
help, then nothing can happen.

Yes very suspicious - Thai Justice, which always favor the Thais over the Falangs

Did you not think about the kids? or because there Thai but still
children there still Thai so theres prejudice because he's a farrang and
old ? And do you carry naked pictures of children around with you or have at your home pictures of naked children? You are very ignorant about urges of men of any age and very strange in your thoughts

[Beetlejuice]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

YES GUILTY!!!! the 100 photos show his guilt and the emailing of phots show his guilt!!!

LET THE GERMAN PIG crawl into court and BURN IN HELL.....

Is there somebody who takes care of you?

[Pimay1]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

YES GUILTY!!!! the 100 photos show his guilt and the emailing of phots show his guilt!!!

LET THE GERMAN PIG crawl into court and BURN IN HELL.....

A little racist now are we? The guy's nationality has nothing to do with it.

[ozziebloke]

these Old Australian men will not allow little kids to grow..pathetic.

I don't know what country your from ? But a very racist statement

[saroq]

Can only presume that the reason so many TV members seem to want this guy out on the streets is because lots of them will be in their 60s & 70's, married to a girl or living with 1 in their 20's and feel they are only a stone throw away from this mans moral code deep down...........

I think you're projecting your own life and moral code. The posts I've read are saying that he should be charged and face the legal system in Thailand and be dealt with under that system. That's not at all the same are saying they should let him go without charge.