Liverpool F.c.

[StevieH]

<!--quoteo(post=3670101:date=2010-06-06 15:59:55:name=NADTATIDA1)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NADTATIDA1 @ 2010-06-06 15:59:55) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3670101"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think you will wait until after the World cup now and see who becomes available from the stock of managers there,you never know Stevie.... Mr Capello could be free sooner than you think,

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see above, capello is no idiot and won't take a job on a sinking ship.

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I still think SGE is ideal for you right now and obviously wants the job,he would fit in with the owners until something is sorted there and is a Liverpool fan now you know!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

How will they pay his signing on fee never mind the rest? Hardly a cheap option...

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From the sale of there best three players <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Got to be looking at 70 million minimum

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more like £100m. of which the next manager will see little or nothing due to it going to RBS.

Tried the fast reply - that didnt work. Anyways, new manager needs to guarantee any player sales the monies can be used for future investment.

Torres, Gerrard, and Macho for 100 million

Buy: Dzecko, Milner, Carroll, Ireland, Richards and some hair implants for Pepe.

doesn't work that way though does it? you as a united fan should know that. you're servicing gigantic, unsustainable debt same as we are.

any guarantees made to the next manager at this point will be outright lies, same as the ones given to rafa benitez were.

[bkkjames]

Well maybe hicks should be your manager then.

[StevieH]

Well maybe hicks should be your manager then.

that would involve the fat cun_t setting foot in liverpool at which point he would be in grave personal danger.

[bkkjames]

Well maybe hicks should be your manager then.

that would involve the fat cun_t setting foot in liverpool at which point he would be in grave personal danger.

Speaking of Debt, check out what I found online today (posted in the Man Utd page).

[NADTATIDA1]

5 MILLION EUROS A YEAR.....Plus taking all the staff with him,not a bad prize for leaving Liverpool unscathed and his legendary status in tact............Talk about laughing all the way to the bank??

Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti has suggested Rafa Benitez is closing in on the club's vacant managerial post.

Benitez left Liverpool last Thursday but has widely been reported as a target for the Italian giants, who are searching for Jose Mourinho's successor.

Mourinho has departed for Real Madrid after winning the treble at Giuseppe Meazza, paving the way for the Spaniard to take over after he parted company with the Reds.

And Moratti has dropped his biggest hint yet that the 50-year-old is ready to be anointed at the Nerazzurri, with a possible deal only hours away from completion.

Decisive

Moratti told reporters in Italy: "The next few hours could be decisive. But we must ask (technical director Marco) Branca."

Should Benitez take charge of the Serie A champions as expected, he will reportedly sign three-year terms worth 5million euros a season (£3.5m).

Benitez appears set to take his Anfield assistant Mauricio Pellegrino, goalkeeping coach Xavi Valero and fitness coach Paco de Miguel with him, with Italian Amedeo Carboni - who played under Benitez as a midfielder at Valencia - also likely to be added to his backroom staff.

Benitez had been linked with a move to Juventus, however the Old Lady moved to appoint former Sampdoria boss Luigi del Neri before he had left Liverpool.

[StevieH]

5 MILLION EUROS A YEAR.....Plus taking all the staff with him,not a bad prize for leaving Liverpool unscathed and his legendary status in tact............Talk about laughing all the way to the bank??

amazing that the champions of europe want him isn't it? what with him being shit and a fraud and a joker and all? bizarre. makes you wonder who liverpool has lined up who is better than him.

[templemonkey]

5 MILLION EUROS A YEAR.....Plus taking all the staff with him,not a bad prize for leaving Liverpool unscathed and his legendary status in tact............Talk about laughing all the way to the bank??

amazing that the champions of europe want him isn't it? what with him being shit and a fraud and a joker and all? bizarre. makes you wonder who liverpool has lined up who is better than him.

Good Luck to Rafa!

[Jimjim]

5 MILLION EUROS A YEAR.....Plus taking all the staff with him,not a bad prize for leaving Liverpool unscathed and his legendary status in tact............Talk about laughing all the way to the bank??

amazing that the champions of europe want him isn't it? what with him being shit and a fraud and a joker and all? bizarre. makes you wonder who liverpool has lined up who is better than him.

Ok, completely unrelated bu I'm well confused by this new format on Thaivisa, will have to check the announcements, or what not.

Well said response, StevieH, quite funny. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on Rafa but Inter Milan obviously has theirs, yes? And I agree, I don't see who we'll get in return who would be better. Hodgson is a good manager, but is he really the man for Liverpool? What do you think of rumors of King Kenny? I don't think that will happen, to be honest, and he hasn't been managing for a generation so could he really do the job? Has anyone come back to managing after that long away from management and been successful? It's not rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious and don't know the answer myself.

And, I found this story I just saw about ShareLiverpoolFC actually having the funds to take over Liverpool interesting. Take it for what it's worth:

Fans group ‘has money in place’ for Liverpool move

[StevieH]

Ok, completely unrelated bu I'm well confused by this new format on Thaivisa, will have to check the announcements, or what not.

Well said response, StevieH, quite funny. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on Rafa but Inter Milan obviously has theirs, yes? And I agree, I don't see who we'll get in return who would be better. Hodgson is a good manager, but is he really the man for Liverpool? What do you think of rumors of King Kenny? I don't think that will happen, to be honest, and he hasn't been managing for a generation so could he really do the job? Has anyone come back to managing after that long away from management and been successful? It's not rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious and don't know the answer myself.

And, I found this story I just saw about ShareLiverpoolFC actually having the funds to take over Liverpool interesting. Take it for what it's worth:

Fans group 'has money in place' for Liverpool move

i don't think kenny is cut out for it and i'm terrified that he's being used by puslow and the bastard owners. he's been out of football a long, long time and he's not really got a massive amount of clout around europe any more.

this story worries and annoys me immensely:

Hicks scuppers two 'perfect fit' offers for Liverpool

Published 23:00 07/06/10 By David Maddock

Tom Hicks has scuppered at least two 'perfect fit' offers for Liverpool, because of his unreasonable asking price.

Sources at Barclays Capital, who have been charged with selling the Anfield club, have revealed their private frustration at the American owner's unyielding stance in negotiations.

An insider revealed to the Mirror that they have found "exciting investors" they believe have the money and standing to buy the club and take them forward, despite the massive debts run up by Hicks and Gillett. One of the offers has come from the Middle East, and another is a consortium led by a prominent American businessman.

But, so far, the staggering valuation of almost £800million placed on Liverpool by their Texan owner has proved an insurmountable stumbling block, because potential buyers are refusing to be held to ransom.

A source working on the sale of the Merseyside club for BarCap revealed privately: "We have found more than one really good fit investors, who have the wealth not to worry about a few hundred million quid.

"But they will not be held to ransom, because they know the asking price is unreasonable, and they simply don't want to be taken for a ride, no matter how rich they are."

There is a growing fear amongst those close to the deal that Hicks' business empire has been suffering in the global economic crisis, and that is motivating his hard-line stance over a price.

But BarCap are losing patience with the valuation, even though they accept that the sales document put together by the club makes impressive reading.

A source for the investment firm suggested that the figures 'add up', even before a new stadium is being built, but that has persuaded Hicks to hold out for more money.

His partner, George Gillett, is willing to accept a more reasonable offer to enable him to get out of the club, and escape the angry campaign against them from disenchanted supporters.

Hicks though, remains the massive obstacle to the deal, and that could persuade the club's lenders the Royal Bank of Scotland, to step in and take action.

The RBS have given an undertaking to extend their current loan of £237million to the Americans for another 12 months.

But worried by reports from BarCap about the difficulty in finding the right price to tempt a buyer, the bank are considering making an ultimatum to Hicks and Gillett.

The RBS are increasingly frustrated at the process, and sources close to the deal are suggesting there is a chance they will offer the Americans an ultimatum of finding a buyer "within months", or they will pull the plug on the loans.

[bkkjames]

It's a sad reality that two of the most prestigious clubs in the world face the same issues concerning American ownership and debt.

[carmine]

It's a sad reality that two of the most prestigious clubs in the world face the same issues concerning American ownership and debt.

It's also a sad reality that the FA felt these buyers were suitable to be club owners in the premier league.

[Jimjim]

With that story, Hicks would be wise to chance his wide Texan stance, and dam_n soon the bastard. It annoys me, as well, and I think an ultimatum from BarCap is needed and welcomed.

[sharecropper]

It's a sad reality that two of the most prestigious clubs in the world face the same issues concerning American ownership and debt.

Liverpool's owners (seem to) want to sell, their troubles have clearly affected the club's performance and the owners seem to be in trouble with the banks. United's owners don't want to sell, are servicing their debt, their onfield performance has not been affected by the debt (more by the Green and Gold campaign I reckon, which probably lost them the title as the crowd don't fully get behind the team) and they have yet to go through the financial wringer.

One intriguing scenario for Liverpool would be if RBS lost patience and forced the owners to accept a sale at well below the 800m mark. That could work well for the club.

Unfortunately, most buyers of clubs like these will borrow massive sums in order to buy, then look to service their debt from the club's income stream. It happens in most acquisitions of income-producing assets, unless you are a Russian Oligarch or Arab Oil Sheik.

[bkkjames]

It's a sad reality that two of the most prestigious clubs in the world face the same issues concerning American ownership and debt.

Liverpool's owners (seem to) want to sell, their troubles have clearly affected the club's performance and the owners seem to be in trouble with the banks. United's owners don't want to sell, are servicing their debt, their onfield performance has not been affected by the debt (more by the Green and Gold campaign I reckon, which probably lost them the title as the crowd don't fully get behind the team) and they have yet to go through the financial wringer.

One intriguing scenario for Liverpool would be if RBS lost patience and forced the owners to accept a sale at well below the 800m mark. That could work well for the club.

Unfortunately, most buyers of clubs like these will borrow massive sums in order to buy, then look to service their debt from the club's income stream. It happens in most acquisitions of income-producing assets, unless you are a Russian Oligarch or Arab Oil Sheik.

Sorry I have to disagree and although this isn't a UTD thread but to say the G+C campaign didnt get behind the team is totally wrong. The fact remains we sold Ronaldo for 80 million and let Tevez walk. While Valencia had a stellar season on the wing, we were missing the goals and this cost us the title. The funds from CR7 were supposed to be there for reinvestment but hmmm SAF said there was no value in the market. Same thing he is saying this year. Our purchases this year are Smailing 10million and Chicarito 6-8 million. We may add one more but no superstars.

We bought CR7 for 12 million and sold him for 80 million, that money has been taken out of the club to pay for the Glazers borrowing / PIK etc.

[sharecropper]

I'm scared to even ask what StevieH thinks of the 7% ticket price increase..... :

[NADTATIDA1]

It won't bother him ...he doesn't go!

[bkkjames]

I'm scared to even ask what StevieH thinks of the 7% ticket price increase..... :

Still about 180 pounds cheaper than avg season ticket at OT.

[StevieH]

Liverpool's owners (seem to) want to sell, their troubles have clearly affected the club's performance and the owners seem to be in trouble with the banks. United's owners don't want to sell, are servicing their debt, their onfield performance has not been affected by the debt (more by the Green and Gold campaign I reckon, which probably lost them the title as the crowd don't fully get behind the team) and they have yet to go through the financial wringer.

One intriguing scenario for Liverpool would be if RBS lost patience and forced the owners to accept a sale at well below the 800m mark. That could work well for the club.

Unfortunately, most buyers of clubs like these will borrow massive sums in order to buy, then look to service their debt from the club's income stream. It happens in most acquisitions of income-producing assets, unless you are a Russian Oligarch or Arab Oil Sheik.

i can't really see that happening while RBS continues to make a fortune in interest payments for essentially doing nothing while hicks sits on his flabby arse demanding the totally unrealistic £800m asking price for the club. at the moment it doesn't seem to be in RBS's interests to force a sale 'cos they'd pretty much be gutting the golden calf.

I'm scared to even ask what StevieH thinks of the 7% ticket price increase..... :

not in the least bit surprised. the fuc_kers in charge of the place know that no genuine fan will boycott matches or give up their season tickets in protest. it's the ultimate catch-22 for a football fan.

[smokie36]

If the fans did this en masse it would at least force the bank to reconsider. Tricky one for the fans though I agree.

[sharecropper]

Did King Kenny speak out-of-turn?

Liverpool FC snub Kenny Dalglish over manager’s job

"Although aware of Dalglish’s stance, the club were nevertheless surprised with his decision to go public with his desire to once again take on the role..."

Full Story: Liverpool Daily Post: Daily Post North Wales - Sport News - Liverpool FC - Liverpool FC snub Kenny Dalglish over manager’s job

[StevieH]

i think he has you know. not that it's really 'out of turn' when the people who it has upset are two lying greedy americans, a snide, underhand tit of a banker and a chelsea fan. but i don't think they were expecting kenny to go public about it, no.

[sharecropper]

i think he has you know. not that it's really 'out of turn' when the people who it has upset are two lying greedy americans, a snide, underhand tit of a banker and a chelsea fan. but i don't think they were expecting kenny to go public about it, no.

He would be the best option for the yanks too - costs them nowt in terms of payoffs to other clubs, proven success, hero at Anfield, and good transition manager for the sale, so it's all a bit odd this turn of events. Unless he had privately raised it with them and thought they were foolishly NOT going to offer it to him, for no good reason, so he went public to bring pressure to bear.

[StevieH]

i think he has you know. not that it's really 'out of turn' when the people who it has upset are two lying greedy americans, a snide, underhand tit of a banker and a chelsea fan. but i don't think they were expecting kenny to go public about it, no.

He would be the best option for the yanks too - costs them nowt in terms of payoffs to other clubs, proven success, hero at Anfield, and good transition manager for the sale, so it's all a bit odd this turn of events. Unless he had privately raised it with them and thought they were foolishly NOT going to offer it to him, for no good reason, so he went public to bring pressure to bear.

this is it, nobody knows why he's gone public about it if he knew he was about to get it anyway. one possibility is that he's found out what the job actually involves, i.e. there is no money whatsoever to improve the squad, we're probably going to lose 2 or 3 of our best players and so he kicked up a fuss. they may have sounded out hodgson who is happy to work at a much bigger club without the resources to spend and then plumped for hodgson because he won't speak out against them or their forthcoming asset stripping.

[NADTATIDA1]

^yeah Stevie but i think he knew what situation the club was in anyway regarding money,maybe he is just as pi$$ed off as you are?

I would be surprised if Hodgson would go there under the conditions,Sven for me a nice little puppet for now....

[sharecropper]

^yeah Stevie but i think he knew what situation the club was in anyway regarding money,maybe he is just as pi$$ed off as you are?

I would be surprised if Hodgson would go there under the conditions,Sven for me a nice little puppet for now....

Well, it would be a step up from Notts County.

[carmine]

^yeah Stevie but i think he knew what situation the club was in anyway regarding money,maybe he is just as pi$$ed off as you are?

I would be surprised if Hodgson would go there under the conditions,Sven for me a nice little puppet for now....

Any manager would be insane to take the job on. those two crooks are very lucky because i think kenny Dalglish will take it on for the love of the club.

[StevieH]

^yeah Stevie but i think he knew what situation the club was in anyway regarding money,maybe he is just as pi$ed off as you are?

I would be surprised if Hodgson would go there under the conditions,Sven for me a nice little puppet for now....

who, kenny? i don't think he did, no.

there's a logical chain of events here; 12 months ago rafa benitez signs a new 5-year contract in which the key point is his total control over all transfers, both in and out. the club then goes back on this commitment last summer by not giving him the transfer budget he was promised. we subsequently have a shit awful season, he then has his meeting with martin broughton and purslow about available spend this summer, next thing we know they're agreeing compensation and departure with no replacement waiting in the wings. benitez was the last barrier to hicks, gillett, puslow and broughton being able to sell whichever of the players they want this summer to service debt. watch this space.

[NADTATIDA1]

^yeah Stevie but i think he knew what situation the club was in anyway regarding money,maybe he is just as pi$$ed off as you are?

I would be surprised if Hodgson would go there under the conditions,Sven for me a nice little puppet for now....

Well, it would be a step up from Notts County.

And the Ivory Coast !

[smokie36]

Hodgson surely isn't silly enough. Dalglish will take it as he is an integral part of the club for many years....anyone else is a non starter it seems. Just sums up what a completely useless board Liverpool have. In fact its not the board of a football club its just a trio of fat bankers (sic)/

You're doomed.

[StevieH]

You're doomed.

that's about the size of it, yes.