South African commits suicide at Pattaya Hospital

[Rimmer]

South African commits suicide at Pattaya Hospital
PATTAYA:--A 77 year old South African, who had already made attempts at his own life committed suicide early on Thursday Morning in a Hospital toilet.

Mr. Klaus Erich Leskf was admitted in the early hours of Wednesday after it was reported he had slit his wrists on Pattaya Beach in front of Soi 8, in an apparent suicide attempt.

Mr. Leskf was taken to Banglamung Hospital where he made a further attempt at his own life and was restrained for his own safety. After some time Doctors decided to remove the restraints after Mr. Leskf’s mental state appeared to improve.

In the early hours of Thursday he is thought to have gone to the toilet where he placed a plastic bag over his head and used his Hospital Wrist Band, issued to every patient, to tie the bag tightly around his head. He is then thought to have lost consciousness and fall to the floor, sustaining a serious head injury.
-Full story:http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/91964/south-african-commits-suicide-pattaya-hospital/

-- Pattaya One 2013-06-20

[soihok]

Oh dear.

I wonder what his story was, we will never know. Can't imagine the desperation one must be in, to be driven to do this to ones self.

[Scott]

I would expect a hospital to keep a closer eye on a suicidal patient, but, that said, he seemed pretty determined to end his own life. I am guessing it would have happened eventually.

May his new place be happier than his previous one.

My condolences to the friends and family.

[robblok]

That is why euthanasia is a good thing no need to kill yourself in painful ways. It should be a human right (of course to be made when one is sound in mind ect)

[poanoi]

Agree, when you can pick between cancer slowly exploding your body,

or euthanasia for a fall-to-sleep experience,

which one does any sane person pick ?

[i claudius]

Agree, when you can pick between cancer slowly exploding your body, or euthanasia for a fall-to-sleep experience, which one does any sane person pick ?

On one level i agree ,but once you open a door you can never close it and like everything in this world it will sooner or later be abused

[robblok]

Agree, when you can pick between cancer slowly exploding your body, or euthanasia for a fall-to-sleep experience, which one does any sane person pick ?

On one level i agree ,but once you open a door you can never close it and like everything in this world it will sooner or later be abused

Thing is its a personal choice and should be left free, religious people love abusing others rights. Because something is bad in their book nobody can do it while an decision like this is personal and only impacts the person and his family (and i feel the guy who's life it has has the last say). Laws are there to protect people not to let them suffer.

[Pikeybkk]

wow, if only everyone was so diligent at getting the job done....well done

[doggie888888]

Gee, must have been a very long wrist band to be able to fasten a plastic bag over his head.

[rascalman]

Oh dear.

I wonder what his story was, we will never know. Can't imagine the desperation one must be in, to be driven to do this to ones self.

RIP SIR and may God be with you!

[belg]

too bad there is no law or utensils to take your life when you feel it (desease or other) in a descent way...

[pattayadingo]

A sad story, but he did seem very determined to end his life.

He must have had some severe anguish in his life or maybe some illness or mental illness but to suffocate yourself seems a terrible way to go. And not to even rip the bag open in a last desperate moment, he obviously wanted to end it all.

[wwex]

maybe he lost his sleeping bench a few days ago, just a guess as the beach at soi 8 seems a strange place to go to slit your wrists unless its your home

[poanoi]

 

A sad story, but he did seem very determined to end his life.

He must have had some severe anguish in his life or maybe some illness or mental illness but to suffocate yourself seems a terrible way to go. And not to even rip the bag open in a last desperate moment, he obviously wanted to end it all.

 

I think in lack of euthanasia, the plastic bag is actually one of the better options

[Basil B]

Sorry someone felt the need to take their own life.

But would it not have been easier just to have hidden his credit card on admission to the hospital.

[uptheos]

Gee, must have been a very long wrist band to be able to fasten a plastic bag over his head.

Those things can stretch a lot without breaking, that's what they are designed for i.e. not to come off unless cut off.

[Potosi]

Sorry someone felt the need to take their own life.

But would it not have been easier just to have hidden his credit card on admission to the hospital.

Banglamung is government run, they can't reject patients or ask before treatment for guarantees that the bill will be paid. It's also cheap, until his death the bill was maybe 1,000 Baht.

[Payboy]

Gee, must have been a very long wrist band to be able to fasten a plastic bag over his head.

Those things can stretch a lot without breaking, that's what they are designed for i.e. not to come off unless cut off.

Livestrong?

[lee b]

How low some people sink too... I could never even think about doing this EVER..

[poanoi]

 

How low some people sink too... I could never even think about doing this EVER..

 

You havnt got the guts for it you mean ?

[Basil B]

Sorry someone felt the need to take their own life.

But would it not have been easier just to have hidden his credit card on admission to the hospital.

Banglamung is government run, they can't reject patients or ask before treatment for guarantees that the bill will be paid. It's also cheap, until his death the bill was maybe 1,000 Baht.

Suppose I took a knock at the wrong hospital, as a UK citizen it is a bit of a shock when needing urgent medical assistance to be greeted by the cashier.

[robblok]

How low some people sink too... I could never even think about doing this EVER..

I could and it should be a free choice too.

Just imagine a terminal disease or other things long and painful death no hope for recovery.. give me the easy way with help of a doctor then please.

[tonytigerbkk]

The Pattaya Daily News reports that the man was robbed a few days earlier so maybe that has some bearing on the reason for the suicide.

However, The Pattaya Daily News is quite well known for getting basic facts completely wrong and leaving out important details about a case.

[simple1]

How low some people sink too... I could never even think about doing this EVER..

I could and it should be a free choice too.

Just imagine a terminal disease or other things long and painful death no hope for recovery.. give me the easy way with help of a doctor then please.

For Thailand a Living Will is the way to go, it's legal under Thai law. English lanuage template follows:

Occupation: LIVING WILL DECLARATION

THIS DECLARATION is made by

As I make this declaration I am of sound mind. I direct this declaration to my family and to anyone else who may become responsible for my health, welfare, financial, or other affairs. I hereby declare as follows:

Should circumstances come to exist, such as there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery, I direct that no extreme measures of any kind be used. In the event that there is a substantial question about the possibility of my recovery, or if there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery, I request that medication or other measures be utilized to reduce my physical suffering. I ask that this request be carried out even in the event that such measures or such medication may shorten my life.

On behalf of myself and my Estate I hereby release from any liability all hospitals, physicians, other medical personnel, and all other individuals having any part in complying with the requests made herein above.

Signature

Dated

Occupation:

Location:

Witness 1:

Signature

Occupation:

Witness 2:

Signature

Occupation:

Edited June 22, 2013 by simple1

[robblok]

How low some people sink too... I could never even think about doing this EVER..

I could and it should be a free choice too.

Just imagine a terminal disease or other things long and painful death no hope for recovery.. give me the easy way with help of a doctor then please.

For Thailand a Living Will is the way to go, it's legal under Thai law. English lanuage template follows:

Occupation: LIVING WILL DECLARATION

THIS DECLARATION is made by

As I make this declaration I am of sound mind. I direct this declaration to my family and to anyone else who may become responsible for my health, welfare, financial, or other affairs. I hereby declare as follows:

Should circumstances come to exist, such as there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery, I direct that no extreme measures of any kind be used. In the event that there is a substantial question about the possibility of my recovery, or if there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery, I request that medication or other measures be utilized to reduce my physical suffering. I ask that this request be carried out even in the event that such measures or such medication may shorten my life.

On behalf of myself and my Estate I hereby release from any liability all hospitals, physicians, other medical personnel, and all other individuals having any part in complying with the requests made herein above.

Signature

Dated

Occupation:

Location:

Witness 1:

Signature

Occupation:

Witness 2:

Signature

Occupation:

Simple that is all nice and so but that is passive euthanasia and could mean a lot of suffering anyway. Give me active euthanasia any day where they help you on your way not withhold what you need. I don't have many good things to say about my home country but this is one thing the world can learn a lot from.

Of course you need a living will too but the difference is they will send you on your way painless where as here they just stop things that help you live and you still might die slow and with pain.

[simple1]

How low some people sink too... I could never even think about doing this EVER..

I could and it should be a free choice too.

Just imagine a terminal disease or other things long and painful death no hope for recovery.. give me the easy way with help of a doctor then please.

For Thailand a Living Will is the way to go, it's legal under Thai law. English lanuage template follows:

Occupation: LIVING WILL DECLARATION

THIS DECLARATION is made by

As I make this declaration I am of sound mind. I direct this declaration to my family and to anyone else who may become responsible for my health, welfare, financial, or other affairs. I hereby declare as follows:

Should circumstances come to exist, such as there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery, I direct that no extreme measures of any kind be used. In the event that there is a substantial question about the possibility of my recovery, or if there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery, I request that medication or other measures be utilized to reduce my physical suffering. I ask that this request be carried out even in the event that such measures or such medication may shorten my life.

On behalf of myself and my Estate I hereby release from any liability all hospitals, physicians, other medical personnel, and all other individuals having any part in complying with the requests made herein above.

Signature

Dated

Occupation:

Location:

Witness 1:

Signature

Occupation:

Witness 2:

Signature

Occupation:

Simple that is all nice and so but that is passive euthanasia and could mean a lot of suffering anyway. Give me active euthanasia any day where they help you on your way not withhold what you need. I don't have many good things to say about my home country but this is one thing the world can learn a lot from.

Of course you need a living will too but the difference is they will send you on your way painless where as here they just stop things that help you live and you still might die slow and with pain.

Are you saying that in Thai hospitals that accept Living Wills they will not honour the request that medication or other measures be utilised to reduce physical suffering

[robblok]

@simple

What i heard and i could be wrong (i hope so) is that they just stop treatment or life support but not give a high dose of a sedative to send you on your way. So you would be slowly dying. I heard this from a nurse and seen how my gf's father was just turned of life support no sedative given.

[Potosi]

How low some people sink too... I could never even think about doing this EVER..

I could and it should be a free choice too.

Just imagine a terminal disease or other things long and painful death no hope for recovery.. give me the easy way with help of a doctor then please.

Yeah, suicide is a free choice. Or is it? I wonder how many are not incurably ill, but kill themselves because they run out of money, or feel they are a burden on relatives, or desperate for some other reason a caring society could fix.

Here's a statistic that might make you think about celebrating suicides.

[poanoi]

Conclusion: life sux

[pattayadingo]

Conclusion: life sux

It can