Ninja 300 for 2014?

[Gomyway]

Yes Yankee99 the 2013 has 32 crank-hp and the 2008-2012 has 33 crank-hp.

And you and Mania are right about the weather, but we have to take it like it is.

Maybe one more thing like Mania always tells us about the bore and stroke where he is absolute right the 300 now is (excuse me I don't know the english word) a more long-stroker and that means the engine doesn't like high rpms (here the best example is the Jaguar E-Type, make this engine rev high and you'll kill it).

Take the Ninja from 1987 up to 2007 and you'll see this one likes to rev up to 14,000 / 14,500 rpm while the 2008-2012 does this only up to 12,500 rpm.

Maybe this could be one reason for Kwaki to install a lighter alternator in the 300 Ninja to give it the chance to rev a little bit higher then it normally could.

I see the sun's coming out and when you out have a safe ride.

[mania]

This is an interesting clip I found on a Thai site.

Some things to note that they were talking about.

1- This is in Brazil on the Kawasaki 300

( I cannot help but laugh a bit at how crazy they are to be in shorts & slippers

not unlike many young Thai's )

2- The Thai guys are pointing out that in this clip they think the ABS interferes with

the slipper clutch being a big benefit. ( I don't know & have not really analyzed it )

3- They point out that the 300 can only seem to do 178-179 kph on this long slightly downhill section unaided.

Wind resistance etc. limits it at that point even with mirror folded back & it is out of steam.

4- They note that the 194 kph can be achieved by the fact that he tucks in behind a CB500

& drafts it up to 194 kph

Anyway just something to see.

Edited July 28, 2013 by mania

[Gomyway]

Good find Mania

at least it takes the 300 rev up to 13,500 rpms to go 195 km/h speed.

I did the calculation only up to 13,000 showing on the thumbnail but 195 km/h is 13,500 rpm in real.

And when you remember that all respectable tuner talk about 12,500 as the highest realistic rpm for the 300, so hm...

[Salapoo]

tbh, it seems surprisingly slow accelerating from around 130/140 up. If the speedo is optimistic even more so.

Hey Mania, if you don't mind me asking, I believe the great sound from the N250 is also due to the firing sequence, where each piston is fired separately, giving it a much smoother and less thumper like sound? I think the H500's and K650's are the opposite and both pistons fire at the same time, giving them a less smooth more thumper like sound. Is that actually correct? And if so I presume the N300 follows suit and has the same firing sequence as the N250?

[mania]

tbh, it seems surprisingly slow accelerating from around 130/140 up. If the speedo is optimistic even more so.

Hey Mania, if you don't mind me asking, I believe the great sound from the N250 is also due to the firing sequence, where each piston is fired separately, giving it a much smoother and less thumper like sound? I think the H500's and K650's are the opposite and both pistons fire at the same time, giving them a less smooth more thumper like sound. Is that actually correct? And if so I presume the N300 follows suit and has the same firing sequence as the N250?

I dont know but maybe Gomyway will chime in.

I would tend to think they are the same though because really

the 300 is just a stroked 250 for the most part

[KRS1]

having a longer stroke does not neccessarily mean it wont like to rev high.

when i stroked my bike, it performed better in every single rev range, of course there are limits as too how much you can increase it though before it gets too out of balance - keyword is balance

[mania]

having a longer stroke does not neccessarily mean it wont like to rev high.

when i stroked my bike, it performed better in every single rev range, of course there are limits as too how much you can increase it though before it gets too out of balance - keyword is balance

I don't think that is the question.

Because of course it depends on where you started from

An engine will rev yes but the engines Bore x Stroke will decide

or at least be a major factor of how & where in the rev range power will be made.

Also whether it will have more torque or less, more horsepower or less.

Every manufacturer probably looks for a optimum level & placement in the power

band for the amount & type/delivery of the power they want for the designated/likely use of that bike.

Some folks myself included do like a certain delivery of the power as it helps

with how we like to ride.

Speaking only for myself I was raised racing two strokes

so I like to ride "on the pipe" I dont mind a narrow power band at all & in fact prefer it.

I dont mind rowing a gearbox because for me it has benefits.

I like using engine braking more than brakes because it upsets the chassis less IMHO

at least for how I ride. I think/know it is the same reason I always preferred my 600 to my 900 in the USA

I am of course talking about sport/fun riding & not commuting where none of it matters anyway.

For touring folks would probably want the opposite. More torque & lower revs on top for comfortable hours

in the saddle.

Although I like keeping an engine on boil when riding in fun twisty roads that I like to traverse,

that same type of bike I will admit will not be a fun bike for long straight open roads where much higher

speeds at lower RPM would be useful. Which was the one place I liked the 900 better than the 600 too.

Now I am on a 250 & grateful to have found one with the type of power delivery that translates to grins for me when riding.

These of course are generalization & other things matter too but,

a higher bore/stroke number will always be a horsepower oriented engine

a lower number will always be a torque oriented engine.

The extreme case are bikes like the Panigale at 1.84 or even an F1 car engine

Edited July 28, 2013 by mania

[KRS1]

I think it will have similar characteristics to your current n250, just more torque.

They lowered the compression ratio, more than likely increased valve size and ports, and the alternator as pointed out is down 2 amperes, this sounds like they shaved the magnetic flywheel to lighten it up opposed to rewinding the stator, probably increasing the ID diameter by around 1-3 milimeters. The slipper clutch, if its lighter would also lighten up the chain of moving assemblies attached to the crank. Since they didnt increase bore, they didnt increase piston weight either. All these point to an engine that has been engineered to keep revs up.

I keep wondering though if its a different crank or just an offset crankpin. If its a different crank, there could be a chance that the clutch and flywheel might not be a direct swap out if they changed the diameter of the crank shafts on either side of the engine.

But, yeah im just guessing.

Edited July 28, 2013 by KRS1

[Gomyway]

Before I start talking please let me say that all of you are right with what you're saying.

About the firing order from what I know the 650 Kwaki is the same like the 250 and 300 and I'm not sure (didn't look now) but I think the H500 is the same also.

And now please let me show you a picture and I'm sure it makes it easier to understand.

Mania I'm sorry to contradict you since you calculate bore against stroke we do it the opposite way, but at least the result always points in the same way.

To compare apples with apples you have to take the pears away and so I'd bring all bikes to the same cubic capacity from about 1000cc, this makes it easier to look at the value of power.

Ninja 250 249 33 132,5 11000 62 41,2 0,66 1,50

Ninja 300 296 39 131,8 11000 62 49 0,79 1,27

Honda 500 471 48 101,9 8500 67 66,8 1,00 1,00

ER 6 649 72 110,9 8500 83 60 0,72 1,38

ZX-6R 636 132 207,5 13500 67 45,1 0,67 1,49

Suzuki GSX-R 600 599 125 208,7 13500 67 42,5 0,63 1,58

GSX-R 750 750 150 200,0 13200 70 48,7 0,70 1,44

GSX-R 1000 999 185 185,2 11500 74,5 57,8 0,78 1,29

ZX-10R 998 200 200,4 13000 76 55 0,72 1,38

BMW S1000RR 999 193 193,2 13000 80 49,7 0,62 1,61

Panigale 1198 195 162,8 10750 112 60,8 0,54 1,84

The columns show: Bike, cc, hp, hp per 1000 cc, rpm, bore, stroke, stroke to bore ratio. In the last row I show the bore against stroke, the way how Mania's doing.

Interesting is the Suzuki GSX-R600 has the highest power ratio and even when the Panigale doesn't show it in this picture, never forget it's a 2-cylinder and this bike has the same weight like the bike with the lowest power - the Ninja 250. (Also it's a given fact that in reality there is no BMW S1000 below 200 hp when it leaves the factory, the spread from this engine is always in the higher range).

One very important thing about the numbers also is and this makes the Honda looking in a brighter light: It's all about EMISSIONS and once again Emissions and also for sure the MPG...

I wish you to have a good start in the new week and a safe ride.

Edited July 29, 2013 by Gomyway

[mania]

Gomyway I really enjoyed that post

You did a good job of normalizing things & then look at the engine characteristics

in a sense

Very interesting

Also funny & interesting to see the S/B ratio

For the engine RPM figures are you using the manufacturers claimed rpm or a formula?

I have seen 5252xhp/torque used as a formula but I know your not using that as it would give the 250

a value of about 9500 rpm

Thanks for the interesting post I am going to save it

Like you I know numbers are just numbers but like looking

Looks like another wet day or two here

wishing to try my new front springs but looks like not today

Edited July 29, 2013 by mania

[Gomyway]

Thank you Mania for your agreement, I appreciate it.

Thx for reminding me, the rpm figures are the factory given for power not for torque.

It looks like today is no day for going out with the bike...

[mania]

They have all 3 colors now in Cm Kawasaki

I wonder why they used red rim stripes on all three this year

The green last year looked better I think

Edited July 30, 2013 by mania

[mania]

Just noticed the 300 comes with a tank protector already in place

Also a big difference in how they run the exhaust

must be something to do with the added torque.

I know when I ran the devil pipe it added large amounts of mid

Edited July 30, 2013 by mania

[KRS1]

special edition ninja300

[karlos]

'Special' being the key world there
Green and black looks great

special edition ninja300

[mania]

Review in Thai but translates pretty good with google translate

http://www.autospinn.com/2013/08/2013-kawasaki-ninja300-abs-review-test-ride/

[mania]

Some folks were asking about 2013 used prices now.

This one is less than 3 months old & 3xxx kilometers run
This guy is willing to take a pretty good hit considering the parts he has installed already
total 54k baht. Full 2 brother system etc.

He is selling for 154k

If it is too move up to a 300 kinda nuts IMO

The 300 is great for new buyers as it is 20k or so more than the 250

But if a guy with a low mileage 250 sell for such a loss & then add the new price + insure & reg of 300

they are looking at 100k to upgrade 50cc & the slipper clutch/abs?

Not such a great deal in my mind.

Not to mention if he is asking 154k he will probably take less

Edited August 4, 2013 by mania

[mania]

This guy really went to town with the mods

Everything black is basically carbon from Slingshot racing

The exhaust started as an Area P high pipe setup then he changed the can to a Yosh

His mod list although I do not know if it is up to date as I see the exhaust is not as listed

My Ninja 300 Mods List

Body enhancements:
SSR Carbon Fiber Upper Cowling
SSR Carbon Fiber Rear Hugger
SSR Carbon Fiber Side Panels Left & Right
SSR Carbon Fiber Side Cowling Left & Right
SSR Carbon Fiber Tank Surround Left & Right
SSR Carbon Fiber Side Air Box Pieces Left
SSR Carbon Fiber Lower Fairings Left & Right (coming soon)
SSR Carbon Fiber Front Inner cowling (coming soon)
SSR Carbon Fiber Rear Tail section (coming soon)
SSR Carbon Fiber Rear Cowl (coming soon)
SSR Carbon Fiber Alternator Cover (coming soon)
Black Spine Tank Pad
Tech Specs tank pads
Custom blue paint job

Exterior
Pro-bolt Gold & Blue Titanium bolts
Oxford Premium Heated Touring Grips
Bikers Blue Clip-ons
Bikers Blue Clutch Lever
Bikers Silver Swing arm end hooks
Bikers Blue Swing arm adjustment plates
Bikers Blue Fork Sliders
Bikers Blue Rear Swing arm Sliders
Bikers Blue Oil Cap
Bikers Blue Cable Adjuster
Bikers Blue Steering Stem Bolt
Bikers Silver Sprocket Cover
X-Race Silver Triple Tree
Sato Silver/Black Rear Sets with Blue Bolts
Sato Folding Pedal Tips
Driven Axis Mirror Silver/Black
SSR Frame Hole Caps
SSR Swing arm Spools
SSR Black and Silver Fuel Tank Cap
SSR Silver Kickstand
Custom Creations Silver and Black Carbon Fiber Seat with Saddle man Gel
R&G Mirror Block-off Plates
R&G Radiator Guard
R&G Radiator Downpipe Guard
White Powder coated Wheels
Blue Powder coated knuckle arm
Bare metal powder coated swing arm
Blue aluminum valve stems


Engine
K&N Dual Pod filters
Power Commander 5
DynoJet Auto Tune
DynoJet Quick Shifter
Motion Pro Revolver Throttle
GPR Carbon Fiber Slip-On Exhaust
Area P Carbon Fiber Ultra High Mount Exhaust (coming soon)
Driven EVO 42T Sprocket
EK Gold/Black Chain
Ballistic 8 Cell EVO 2 Lithium Battery

Suspension
Ohlin’s Racing Rear Shock
Race Tech Springs
Race Tech Gold Valve Kit
Bikers Silver preload adjusters
Scotts Polished Steering damper
SSR Silver Link-Arms

Tires
Michelin Pilot Power Front 110/70/17
Michelin Pilot Power Rear 150/60/17

Brakes
Brembo RCS 15 & Reservoir Kit
Aftermarket Silver Brembo RCS 15 Brake lever
Brembo Calipers Front & Rear
Ferodo Racing Front & Rear ST pads
SSR Brembo Caliper adapter Front and Rear
Dimotiv Gold Front reservoir cap
Dimotiv Titanium Rear reservoir cap
Arashi Rear Brake Rotor
Galfer White & Blue Brake Lines

Lighting
Blacked-out Rear Taillight
HID Dual Halo Projectors
Custom Rear Turn Signals
Koso Dual temperature gauge

Edited August 10, 2013 by mania

[Gomyway]

Hmm, interesting... http://www.motorcycle.in.th/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=6231

[nikster]

Hmm, interesting... http://www.motorcycle.in.th/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=6231

Want the deposit back? Try asking.

[pastafarian]

Hmm, interesting... http://www.motorcycle.in.th/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=6231

Want the deposit back? Try asking.

Agreed. It's not as though you've cancelled your order, they can't provide the bike you've paid a deposit for. The Ninja 300 would be worth paying the extra for but if, for whatever reason, you don't want it then they have to refund you.

[yankee99]

Hmm, interesting... http://www.motorcycle.in.th/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=6231

The two kawa dealers i know mityon and motoholic return deposits no questions asked...

[mania]

There is a notice in Thai that some of the 300's are being recalled for ECU

I believe they have listed the affected bikes as being

manufactured in the period 16 July 2012 to 27 April 2013,

Problem causes bike to stall during deceleration

[karlos]

There is a notice in Thai that some of the 300's are being recalled for ECU

I believe they have listed the affected bikes as being

manufactured in the period 16 July 2012 to 27 April 2013,

Problem causes bike to stall during deceleration

Yes all US bikes are being recalled for the Stalling fault (ECU replacement) and a second fault with the ABS on some bikes.

Will Thailand recall bikes if such problems exist with the bikes here.......... I certainly hope so!

[dave_boo]

There is a notice in Thai that some of the 300's are being recalled for ECU

I believe they have listed the affected bikes as being

manufactured in the period 16 July 2012 to 27 April 2013,

Problem causes bike to stall during deceleration

Yes all US bikes are being recalled for the Stalling fault (ECU replacement) and a second fault with the ABS on some bikes.

Will Thailand recall bikes if such problems exist with the bikes here.......... I certainly hope so!

Just to keep things clear; the ABS issue isn't limited to Kawasaki but rather the Nissin unit. Apparently the unit has been used on the Honda CTX700, Suzuki Haybusa, etc.

[mania]

That new swingarm from RSV looks good

I have to say I like the 2013 color schemes better than this years colors though.

Brembos too

Looks like they put a ER6 front wheel on it

Edited August 31, 2013 by mania

[macknife]

I was planning on getting new tyres for my Ninja this weekend. I contacted Showpow about the Rosso IIs and they are sold out of the front tyre until next month. They have Sport Demons at 5750B for the pair.

Does anyone have Sport Demons? How are they on the Ninja?

[ll2]

I was planning on getting new tyres for my Ninja this weekend. I contacted Showpow about the Rosso IIs and they are sold out of the front tyre until next month. They have Sport Demons at 5750B for the pair.

Does anyone have Sport Demons? How are they on the Ninja?

Macknife, check big wheel Bangkok.

maybe they have rosso2s in stock. Their service is also good with free balancing, labor and ac waiting area.

https://www.facebook.com/BigWheel.Thailand

[nikster]

I was planning on getting new tyres for my Ninja this weekend. I contacted Showpow about the Rosso IIs and they are sold out of the front tyre until next month. They have Sport Demons at 5750B for the pair.

Does anyone have Sport Demons? How are they on the Ninja?

Sport Demons should be fine.

I'm not sure now but I was under the impression Sport Demon is just the narrower version of the DRIIs, e.g. for smaller displacement bikes. Didn't even know you can fit DRIIs on a Ninja 300.

[macknife]

I was planning on getting new tyres for my Ninja this weekend. I contacted Showpow about the Rosso IIs and they are sold out of the front tyre until next month. They have Sport Demons at 5750B for the pair.

Does anyone have Sport Demons? How are they on the Ninja?

Sport Demons should be fine.

I'm not sure now but I was under the impression Sport Demon is just the narrower version of the DRIIs, e.g. for smaller displacement bikes. Didn't even know you can fit DRIIs on a Ninja 300.

Thanks Nik.

DR2s are very popular on the ninjas.