Ruling Pheu Thai Party throws the towel

[worgeordie]

So this lady is for turning ,unlike Maggie Thatcher.

Too many times this Government makes a statement

on policy or whatever ,only to do a u-turn the next day.

I don't know if its because one hand does not know what

the other is doing , or just to confuse the public.

regards Worgeordie

[Skywalker69]

The missunderstood fugitive will no doubt have another card up his sleeve. Have to wait and see. But in the longer run he's running out of options.

He is running out of cards.

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Edited November 7, 2013 by Skywalker69

[Publicus]

It's quite possible PTP is in disarray, what with all the different groups of people in the streets. It's not just the usual suspects out there this time.

And I'd be open to the view that even Thais don't like suddenly and very publically backtracking and eating their words, and doing so between meals it's happening so fast.

If this is the reaction now to an openly passed bill, Pheu Thai should expect a firestorm if they later try to sneak something through in the middle of the night.

At what price would the prize be worth having?

The equity markets dropped like the proverbial stone and capital is headed straight for the wire transfer machines.

A long time Thai friend walked me through his scenario two years ago about what's going down and how everything looked to him. He concluded with the two words, "Thailand kaput."

[Pib]

I haven't seen Yinluck blaming any "3rd Hands" yet...do you think she forgot about that excuse?

[Thait Spot]

The missunderstood fugitive will no doubt have another card up his sleeve. Have to wait and see. But in the longer run he's running out of options.

He is running out of cards.

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He's running out of marbles too

Groundhog Day 2006

[Thaddeus]

BANGKOK, 7 November 2013 (NNT) – Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra affirmed on Wednesday the current administration will not revisit the amnesty bill if the Senate does not pass it into law, and neither will it try to enact a similar law in the form of a decree.

Possible translation.

Current admin will not revisit the amnesty bill - means they will not change a single word of it.

and neither will it try to enact a similar law in the form of a decree - don't need to, just hang on to the bill they have.

Then just wait until everyone thinks it's over and starts looking the other way.

The Senate needs to hand them back a revised version to kill it, one that mimics the original one before it was tampered with.

I more think they will drop the amnesty bill and come in 2 month with an reconciliation bill, or freedom and prosperity bill or whatever creative name, with slightly changed content. Or with a couple of different smaller laws (Salami tactics).

Or they drop it, restart it when people went home, drop it, restart it when people went home in the hope that people get boring of it.

As far as I am aware (can some one else confirm) that if the bill is rejected by the Senate with no changes, they cannot resubmit the same bill, or any bill with similar content, for 180 days.

If the Senate do just reject it wholesale, I would suggest that the opponents of it start a countdown clock starting at 178.

[coma]

Odds on that the senate will indeed reject it. Game over !

[robertson468]

I do not think that Khun T is down and out by any means. If rejected by the Senate, the bill could be resurrected in 180 days for another attempt. Failing that, if elections are held, the bill could, assuming PTP get in power, be represented at that stage. There is still quite a lot of wriggle room available from the man in Dubai and I am sure that he and his cohorts have far more devious minds than mine, to come up with a multitude of game plans. An interesting question is, the present Government having been exposed as less than honest, is some of their support in a new election going to dwindle away? Might it be that at that point they would have shot their bolt? Watch this space folks.

[belg]

all is forgiven & forgotten

the leader can come back

[AleG]

I do not think that Khun T is down and out by any means. If rejected by the Senate, the bill could be resurrected in 180 days for another attempt. Failing that, if elections are held, the bill could, assuming PTP get in power, be represented at that stage. There is still quite a lot of wriggle room available from the man in Dubai and I am sure that he and his cohorts have far more devious minds than mine, to come up with a multitude of game plans. An interesting question is, the present Government having been exposed as less than honest, is some of their support in a new election going to dwindle away? Might it be that at that point they would have shot their bolt? Watch this space folks.

180 days is a long time, with the Rice Scheme collapsing, the verdict over the temple just around the corner, a failing economy and other things still hanging over PTP's head like the illegally issued passport for Thaksin this government may be completely discredited, if even in power, by then.

Pushing for this impunity bill was possibly a Hail Mary pass to achieve Thaksin's agenda, at least through (dubiously) legitimate means before PTP runs out of steam.

[indyuk]

What the hell is going on?

Hello Thai at Heart; what we see he is the consequence of a government liberally accepting proposed clauses to a bill that are all coming from parties with vested interests, crafted in to a bill these disparate articles are blowing the proposed legislation apart. The Amnesty Bill was never about Thaksin or Abhisit, it was simply led there in its drafting by mischievous lobbyists.

[ballpoint]

Poor old Chalerm. Better start sharpening the axe guys.

[whybother]

What the hell is going on?

Hello Thai at Heart; what we see he is the consequence of a government liberally accepting proposed clauses to a bill that are all coming from parties with vested interests, crafted in to a bill these disparate articles are blowing the proposed legislation apart. The Amnesty Bill was never about Thaksin or Abhisit, it was simply led there in its drafting by mischievous lobbyists.

The amnesty bill was ALWAYS going to be about Thaksin.

[Trembly]

What the hell is going on?

Hello Thai at Heart; what we see he is the consequence of a government liberally accepting proposed clauses to a bill that are all coming from parties with vested interests, crafted in to a bill these disparate articles are blowing the proposed legislation apart. The Amnesty Bill was never about Thaksin or Abhisit, it was simply led there in its drafting by mischievous lobbyists.

Those naughty, mischievous lobbyists!

Edited November 7, 2013 by Trembly

[jdinasia]

I fully expect the senate to reject the bill and not offer any changes in an effort to get the people off the streets. If they sent it back revised then those that do not trust the current government will remain distrustful and remain on the streets.

Personally, I would like to see the bill go forward with the caveat that those accused of violence or inciting violence were not included as well as those deemed responsible for orders that resulted in deaths. Corruption charges have nothing to do with an amnesty bill and should not be included.

That means Thaksin, Arisaman, Jatuporn etc on the red side would not be given amnesty. That also means that Abhisit, Suthep, and perhaps senior officers of the military would also not be given amnesty.

[mikemac]

Hello Thai at Heart; what we see he is the consequence of a government liberally accepting proposed clauses to a bill that are all coming from parties with vested interests, crafted in to a bill these disparate articles are blowing the proposed legislation apart. The Amnesty Bill was never about Thaksin or Abhisit, it was simply led there in its drafting by mischievous lobbyists.

Thanks indyuk, that amazing comment reminded me it was time to put the rubbish out.

[rubl]

Mischievous lobbyists?

Probably related to the 'spontaneous emerged' new members here distorting all to make sure that only Thaksin is the Innocent, blameless, not involved, just the odd golf caddy.

What the hell is going on?

Hello Thai at Heart; what we see he is the consequence of a government liberally accepting proposed clauses to a bill that are all coming from parties with vested interests, crafted in to a bill these disparate articles are blowing the proposed legislation apart. The Amnesty Bill was never about Thaksin or Abhisit, it was simply led there in its drafting by mischievous lobbyists.

[bigbamboo]

I haven't seen Yinluck blaming any "3rd Hands" yet...do you think she forgot about that excuse?

And where are the 'Dark Forces' we always hear so much about?

[Spare]

I haven't seen Yinluck blaming any "3rd Hands" yet...do you think she forgot about that excuse?

She is not Mark/Suthep.

[ratcatcher]

I haven't seen Yinluck blaming any "3rd Hands" yet...do you think she forgot about that excuse?

She is not Mark/Suthep.

A mere Alice in Wonderland, not even in their league.

[Dap]

PTP are rightly sensing an 'end of days'.

They are now squirming like rabbits in headlights.

They seem to be desperately looking for a way to get the people off the streets. I think it is the beginning of the end, and maybe this political Armageddon that was forecast is actually playing out.

I don't think its a very good idea to underestimate the PTP. They have lied so often it's impossible to believe anything they say.

"Snake in the grass" comes to mind and I don't trust this particular snake until it's beheaded ... and even then I'd want to torch the remains just to be sure.

[Thaddeus]

PTP are rightly sensing an 'end of days'.

They are now squirming like rabbits in headlights.

They seem to be desperately looking for a way to get the people off the streets. I think it is the beginning of the end, and maybe this political Armageddon that was forecast is actually playing out.

I don't think its a very good idea to underestimate the PTP. They have lied so often it's impossible to believe anything they say.

"Snake in the grass" comes to mind and I don't trust this particular snake until it's beheaded ... and even then I'd want to torch the remains just to be sure.

I think you are giving the individual members of PTP far too much credit, they say exactly what they are told to say, or else, the 310 to 0 result proves that.

Some people have claimed that Khun T is very smart ...... I would dispute that, he is very cunning, but just like a fox that has managed to get in to the hen house he slaughters more than he can eat without a single thought for tomorrow.

He lacks the 'what if' gene, it's a fairly common trait here, common enough to be noticeable by anyone that does have it, he expects that if he does 'this' everyone else will do 'that' without realising or even understanding why some may do 'the other'

This time, an unprecedented amount of people have chosen 'the other' ..... and he really hates it without even making the slightest effort to understand why, hence the tantrums and the coercion of a couple of expendable underlings of PTP trying to get the Democratic party dissolved.

When will he wake up to the fact that this time, the other party are not the enemy, the people are, his enemy that is, not Thailand.

Edited November 7, 2013 by Thaddeus

[Thait Spot]

What the hell is going on?

Hello Thai at Heart; what we see he is the consequence of a government liberally accepting proposed clauses to a bill that are all coming from parties with vested interests, crafted in to a bill these disparate articles are blowing the proposed legislation apart. The Amnesty Bill was never about Thaksin or Abhisit, it was simply led there in its drafting by mischievous lobbyists.

What we have here is a conniving administration that thought, once again, that it could pull the wool over the electorrate's eyes as well as those of it's extremist group and got found out.

[Mosha]

Could it be time for KT to form/buy yet another party?

[Dap]

PTP are rightly sensing an 'end of days'.

They are now squirming like rabbits in headlights.

They seem to be desperately looking for a way to get the people off the streets. I think it is the beginning of the end, and maybe this political Armageddon that was forecast is actually playing out.

I don't think its a very good idea to underestimate the PTP. They have lied so often it's impossible to believe anything they say.

"Snake in the grass" comes to mind and I don't trust this particular snake until it's beheaded ... and even then I'd want to torch the remains just to be sure.

I think you are giving the individual members of PTP far too much credit, they say exactly what they are told to say, or else, the 310 to 0 result proves that.

Some people have claimed that Khun T is very smart ...... I would dispute that, he is very cunning, but just like a fox that has managed to get in to the hen house he slaughters more than he can eat without a single thought for tomorrow.

He lacks the 'what if' gene, it's a fairly common trait here, common enough to be noticeable by anyone that does have it, he expects that if he does 'this' everyone else will do 'that' without realising or even understanding why some may do 'the other'

This time, an unprecedented amount of people have chosen 'the other' ..... and he really hates it without even making the slightest effort to understand why, hence the tantrums and the coercion of a couple of expendable underlings of PTP trying to get the Democratic party dissolved.

When will he wake up to the fact that this time, the other party are not the enemy, the people are, his enemy that is, not Thailand.

I do agree with you Thaddeus but understand that my comments were not aimed at the rank and file of the PTP.

It is the "moneyed" upper echelon of the PTP both protecting their interests while syphoning the coffers and looking

to reinstate the "boss" to further their collective interests. Not only Khun T pulling the strings but the rest of this top

end controlling the underlings (to the best of their ability) to do their bidding. I maintain that a wary eye needs to be

applied at all times whether this lot is in power or stiving to be. They are a worrisome bunch and I will never trust them.

Edited November 8, 2013 by Dap

[RubbaJohnny]

I haven't seen Yinluck blaming any "3rd Hands" yet...do you think she forgot about that excuse?

She is not Mark/Suthep.

A mere Alice in Wonderland, not even in their league.

Indeed Malice n Wonderland with tea monkey collected by the mad hubber?

It's not over until the Flight Rabbit blings