wefinesse Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 .air asia although I don't like their nickel and dime attitude is flyable but my favorite by far is NOK air. if I have to pay a bit more on nok versus air asia . I do that in a heartbeat. Could you pls. elaborate, would be nice to know why NOK Vs AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooloomooloo Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 wefinesse, on 23 Feb 2014 - 14:39, said:Due to this delay, I missed the last train out of Tokyo and had to pocket out over 300$US as taxi fare. Also if you ever write them a complain/request/whatever, there is no way you can prove you did so, the way they have it set up. I flew several years with them, and they did not refund money due to me several times for cancelled flights due to medical reasons (as per their terms and conditions). Accordingly, I rightfully believe they are also not a honest organization and will try to circumvent their obligations, when it comes to paying back at least - BEWARE. Hmm. Did you purchase AirAsia's insurance? Did you have a personal travel insurance policy? I don't ever purchase airline insurance as I'm covered by travel insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMfoodie Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 All In is a joke... they still charge you to select a seat... above the All In... then the tricky Travel Insurance tab which is intentionally worded... are you sure? meaning are you sure you do or don't want it to add to the price. Their deceptive actions are unregulated and no government will go after them (at least in Asia) because now everyone can fly! Now they are giving away 3,000,000 seats... have you tried logging in to the site? If anyone find a free seat anywhere, please let me know! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooloomooloo Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) All In is a joke... they still charge you to select a seat... Don't select a seat then. Turn up at the airport and accept a free seat. Easy. ...then the tricky Travel Insurance tab which is intentionally worded... are you sure? meaning are you sure you do or don't want it to add to the price. Their deceptive actions are unregulated and no government will go after them (at least in Asia) because now everyone can fly! What tricky Travel Insurance tab? Looks simple enough to me and not an effort to hit the cancel button. It's only deceptive if you do not carefully digest all the information in front of you and then you deceive yourself through your own negligence. Edited February 23, 2014 by wooloomooloo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoogerRed Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 AirAsia pioneered the "airfare chisel". Their fares all have up sell after up sell. And then towards the end the insurance opt out. Could that be any more confusing the first 20 times you book? I bet that alone net them millions a year. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sustento Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 No-one's holding a gun to your head when you buy an AA ticket. They're not the only show in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olddoc Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> All In is a joke... they still charge you to select a seat... Don't select a seat then. Turn up at the airport and accept a free seat. Easy....then the tricky Travel Insurance tab which is intentionally worded... are you sure? meaning are you sure you do or don't want it to add to the price.Their deceptive actions are unregulated and no government will go after them (at least in Asia) because now everyone can fly! AA.pngWhat tricky Travel Insurance tab? Looks simple enough to me and not an effort to hit the cancel button. It's only deceptive if you do not carefully digest all the information in front of you and then you deceive yourself through your own negligence. Very difficult for some ! Reading / comprehension is hard ! When I first saw that I laughed and hit the cancel button! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abq2020 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Their fare representations are misleading, if not fraudulent. The add-on required fees and taxes, at least, should be reflected in their 'all in' fares, and all other fees and surcharges should be clearly articulated prior to the point of having to enter traveler information and moving to payment options. Further, they have the practice of automatically adding optional for-cost items (checked baggage, travel insurance, seat selection, etc.), and forcing you to manually opt-out of each...else be charged. Add to all of that a seemingly frequent occurrence of Air Asia charging credit cards for online ticket purchases, sending confirmed reservation e-mails, and then, upon check-in attempt, claiming the credit card transaction was cancelled....and requiring a duplicate cash payment for travel. Their business practices are questionable, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abq2020 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Their fare representations are misleading, if not fraudulent. The add-on required fees and taxes, at least, should be reflected in their 'all in' fares, and all other fees and surcharges should be clearly articulated prior to the point of having to enter traveler information and moving to payment options. Further, they have the practice of automatically adding optional for-cost items (checked baggage, travel insurance, seat selection, etc.), and forcing you to manually opt-out of each...else be charged. Add to all of that a seemingly frequent occurrence of Air Asia charging credit cards for online ticket purchases, sending confirmed reservation e-mails, and then, upon check-in attempt, claiming the credit card transaction was cancelled....and requiring a duplicate cash payment for travel. Their business practices are questionable, IMHO. All-in is All-in, and should not be the starting point for a multi-task effort to remove unwanted services, items, and fees. That is deceptive, period! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooloomooloo Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 abq2020, on 23 Feb 2014 - 18:25, said:Further, they have the practice of automatically adding optional for-cost items (checked baggage, travel insurance, seat selection, etc.), and forcing you to manually opt-out of each...else be charged. Because the majority will have checked baggage and like to pay for insurance. Seat selection is default opted out. abq2020, on 23 Feb 2014 - 18:25, said:Add to all of that a seemingly frequent occurrence of Air Asia charging credit cards for online ticket purchases Get yourself a Thai bank account and you can avoid the heavy credit/debit card charges. AA can't keep everyone happy with their default settings. It's up to the consumer to opt in or opt out. As I stated in my earlier post, two adults travelling PHS - DMK return with no checked baggage for £12 each, each way is an absolute bargain. I always proceed through online booking clicking on or off, as necessary, and arrive at a very satisfactory price. If you don't enjoy the process and feel you're being ripped off then take an alternative carrier or mode of transport. £12 per head per leg does me and will never moan when the price is as competitive as this. Have you tried walking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Their fare representations are misleading, if not fraudulent. The add-on required fees and taxes, at least, should be reflected in their 'all in' fares, and all other fees and surcharges should be clearly articulated prior to the point of having to enter traveler information and moving to payment options. Further, they have the practice of automatically adding optional for-cost items (checked baggage, travel insurance, seat selection, etc.), and forcing you to manually opt-out of each...else be charged. Add to all of that a seemingly frequent occurrence of Air Asia charging credit cards for online ticket purchases, sending confirmed reservation e-mails, and then, upon check-in attempt, claiming the credit card transaction was cancelled....and requiring a duplicate cash payment for travel. Their business practices are questionable, IMHO. All-in is All-in, and should not be the starting point for a multi-task effort to remove unwanted services, items, and fees. That is deceptive, period! Then look at it this way, those "clever enough" to navigate that terrible, nasty, conniving, deceptive, tricky (did I leave anything out?) user interface get to fly for less. 'Works for me. If you're not competitive in the area of "clever", then fly with someone else. But I really DON'T want big brother sticking his nose in to "regulate" - for sure and for certain THAT'LL BE a surcharge you CANNOT opt out of!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotpoom Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I just got their latest promo...."0" cost tickets.but as usual, try to book it and you pay.normal prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenon Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 POMCHOP- I have been flying AA four to 6 times per year. I can get good fares. But the planes are usually late but always seem to arrive early. It was puzzling. I had been wondering why their flights take so long. Well, they add about 20-30 minutes to what it should take to Chiang Mai. Voila! They leave late but arrive early. Devious but it works for them. They do piss me off because their website is useless in the States. I can't book a flight from the States. My credit card company said they approved the charge but they never heard from AA. Their live chat is non-existent. I had to fill out a form and then never heard back from them.. No customer service available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) what a bunch of whiners! i just bought 3 round-trip tickets, Chiang Mai-Krabi for 4,400 Baht. Bangkok Air, same flight = over 30K Baht! Edited February 24, 2014 by Oscar2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCyr Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The cheapest fare advertised might not be available when you book. They might only have 30 seats on one particular flight at that price...so you gotta be quick! As for the all-in thing, they definitely are! I use AA a ton, and when they give you the all-in price, that's the price that includes those pesky "fuel surcharges" -- some airlines very misleadingly call it a "Fuel tax." Air Asia puts it all together, which I love! But you still be a bit of tax and so on on top of that. And, of course, any add ons you opt into. Great airline. Love Air Asia! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 All In is a joke... they still charge you to select a seat... above the All In... then the tricky Travel Insurance tab which is intentionally worded... are you sure? meaning are you sure you do or don't want it to add to the price. Their deceptive actions are unregulated and no government will go after them (at least in Asia) because now everyone can fly! Now they are giving away 3,000,000 seats... have you tried logging in to the site? If anyone find a free seat anywhere, please let me know! Incorrect ! No charge for the seat. If you want, just do not select any seat and press continue. You will not be charged, and can request a seat at check in. What a big spender you are...reserving a coach seat is (I forgot because I never have to do that)...less that 75 baht. I always get an aisle seat...just show up as soon as the counter opens...and request one. (or a window). Freebeeeeeee !!!! They have cheaper flights because many people like paying for us free loaders ...in that they buy their seats, and meals and carry tons of baggage. They also opt in for the insurance. Wiser folks ride off of their generousity and save about 600 baht on all that crapola. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Every airline on the planet has a bad day. This directed to the man on an extended repair as he was onboard..and sweating up a storm. Some crash...even the good ones. Some are delayed for weather, Some are delayed for taxi space, and some are delayed for a last minute safety check/repair. That is air travel across the board. One mishap on Air Asia does not make them the worst. Had the same problems on aircraft all over this planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I just tried a mock booking on AA. Seems to me the only way you really save is if you are travelling with just your underpants in a backpack. Join the backpacker brigade. If you want to take one suitcase, you will end up paying more or less the same price as Lionair (5600 bt for 2 from CNX to DMK return). And LionAir don't b*gger you around with all the add-ons and "choices". At one point in the AirAsia "book-in" they will ask you to check the box that says [not accurate words, I no longer have it in front of me] "I agree to the insurance and to the Terms and Conditions etcetcetc". [my bold] Ok, so it is normal to tick the Terms and Conditions box, but I have never seen before an attempt to sell insurance AS PART of the acceptance of booking terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Forgot to mention that when you enter the AA website you are "welcomed" to "our waiting room". What an absurd come-on. And then, when you are finally shown into the royal presence of the AA booking site, you are given 10 minutes to look for times, prices, fill in your personal details and uncheck all the stuff they expect you, being a naive newcomer to their site, to leave "checked". The 10 minutes is of course meant to hurry you into making decisions that are likely not to be in your favour. Only if you know the AA website off by heart and are a regular visitor to their "waiting room' will you end up getting these so-called cheap fares. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wileycoyote Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes ,have to be careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I just tried a mock booking on AA. Seems to me the only way you really save is if you are travelling with just your underpants in a backpack. Join the backpacker brigade. If you want to take one suitcase, you will end up paying more or less the same price as Lionair (5600 bt for 2 from CNX to DMK return). And LionAir don't b*gger you around with all the add-ons and "choices". At one point in the AirAsia "book-in" they will ask you to check the box that says [not accurate words, I no longer have it in front of me] "I agree to the insurance and to the Terms and Conditions etcetcetc". [my bold] Ok, so it is normal to tick the Terms and Conditions box, but I have never seen before an attempt to sell insurance AS PART of the acceptance of booking terms. 5600 Baht for 2 X CNX-DMK return LOL. i paid 2940 Baht for 3 X CNX-DMK return AA. Payment Flight 3 Guest 2186.94 THB Airport Tax 600.00 THB Value Added Tax 153.06 THB Total 2940.00 THB You need to learn how to use the website and get promotions, collect points, etc. great airline. we fly AA perhaps 6 time per year - cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I just tried a mock booking on AA. Seems to me the only way you really save is if you are travelling with just your underpants in a backpack. Join the backpacker brigade. If you want to take one suitcase, you will end up paying more or less the same price as Lionair (5600 bt for 2 from CNX to DMK return). And LionAir don't b*gger you around with all the add-ons and "choices". At one point in the AirAsia "book-in" they will ask you to check the box that says [not accurate words, I no longer have it in front of me] "I agree to the insurance and to the Terms and Conditions etcetcetc". [my bold] Ok, so it is normal to tick the Terms and Conditions box, but I have never seen before an attempt to sell insurance AS PART of the acceptance of booking terms. 5600 Baht for 2 X CNX-DMK return LOL. i paid 2940 Baht for 3 X CNX-DMK return AA. Payment Flight 3 Guest 2186.94 THB Airport Tax 600.00 THB Value Added Tax 153.06 THB Total 2940.00 THB You need to learn how to use the website and get promotions, collect points, etc. great airline. we fly AA perhaps 6 time per year - cheap. As I surmised, you were just carrying your underpants in a backpack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomchop Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Booking with Air Asia: When all else fails READ the instructions and FOLLOW them. Nobody has a gun to your head to hit the SUBMIT PAYMENT button and EVERYTHING you are agreeing to pay for is CLEARLY outlined on the right side of the page along with your flight details right there on the very page as SUBMIT PAYMENT. If you see something listed there like checked baggage fee, seat request, meal or insurance then you obviously didn't uncheck or cancel or indicate you do not WANT that particular service.....do not hit submit, do not pass goal, go back and READ carefully. It might take you all of ten minutes to complete a booking and if you save about 600 baht that means you just earned about 3600 baht per hour for your time/trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I just tried a mock booking on AA. Seems to me the only way you really save is if you are travelling with just your underpants in a backpack. Join the backpacker brigade. If you want to take one suitcase, you will end up paying more or less the same price as Lionair (5600 bt for 2 from CNX to DMK return). And LionAir don't b*gger you around with all the add-ons and "choices". At one point in the AirAsia "book-in" they will ask you to check the box that says [not accurate words, I no longer have it in front of me] "I agree to the insurance and to the Terms and Conditions etcetcetc". [my bold] Ok, so it is normal to tick the Terms and Conditions box, but I have never seen before an attempt to sell insurance AS PART of the acceptance of booking terms. 5600 Baht for 2 X CNX-DMK return LOL. i paid 2940 Baht for 3 X CNX-DMK return AA. Payment Flight 3 Guest 2186.94 THB Airport Tax 600.00 THB Value Added Tax 153.06 THB Total 2940.00 THB You need to learn how to use the website and get promotions, collect points, etc. great airline. we fly AA perhaps 6 time per year - cheap. As I surmised, you were just carrying your underpants in a backpack? huh? we packed for 3 people for a week. i haven't "checked luggage" in over 20 years when traveling anywhere in the world. great way to lose your bags and really be in a jam when you arrive at your destination! never "check" bags....bye bye bags.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomSand Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 AirAsia sold cheap flights before they floated on stock exchanges. Weird huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalard Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 AA are just ripping people off. Ok maybe if u fly / book months in advance. If you want to fly within a week or so, they're expensive. Lion Air is good value for money if you are flying Bkk - CM nowadays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskatonia Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 M A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomSand Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Would be such a shame. I really like Lion Air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sustento Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 A long time ago in a land far away I used to install computer systems into places that had never seen computers before. They weren't unduly complicated - an hour's training and you'd cracked it. Every installation I did produced someone who said 'I don't understand - I'm probably too stupid to learn how to work this'. I'd just smile and think to myself 'yes you probably are'. I get the same feeling reading this thread... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenon Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Has anyone tried to book Lion Air from the States? Will try it in about a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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