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Funny OP....it can go 2 ways on this thread...

1) Hardly any replies....

2) People complimenting u on ur stance or .......well only a few...

Good luck though on ur 4th marriage...with whoever and whenever !

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I have already been there and lost money, after marrying the Thai girl of my dreams and finally getting married and paying the dowry ( ok not a big fortune) she left me after only 2 weeks and the family ended up with a new motorcycle at my expense. But that is history. Now the new Thai girl of my dreams wants us to get married ( we have been together for 15 months). I have promised to marry her before October so I asked her today what was expected of me (knowing in my mind there is no way I am paying any dowry). She replied the family would expect money and gold. My immediate reply was there is no way I am paying anything as I do not believe in buying a girl from the family. I do already support the family by paying the monthly payments on the shiny pickup parked at their house. I know their are many ways to look at this problem but I am English and things are the opposite there and the father of the Bride is supposed to pay everything. I could risk losing my girlfriend over this but I have my pride and my views. I know this subject has been dealt with many times but we all have our opinions about what is right in this situation. But I would appreciate the views of other TV members but I am 99% sure my mind is made up. I may add that I have no need to get married again as I have a bad track record with marriages - my first wife has been certified mentally ill, my second wife died in a motor accident and you know what happened to my Thai bride so by getting married again it could end up with disaster as my daughter keeps telling me. So why should I get married and risk losing a wife and a dowry as well. Keithkarmann

You sound like an honest sincere guy, Keith.

Stick to your guns.

Unless your fiancé is a corn-fed Uni-graduated virgin, do NOT be blackmailed into this thing.

Respect yourself.

You won't find what you are looking for with this family.

And, YES. I am insisting on sinsot for my own daughter.

And Keith I'll go so far as to say "Call me a hypocrite but Keith would be the first to agree that he'd never be eligible to marry my daughter"

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

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I have already been there and lost money, after marrying the Thai girl of my dreams and finally getting married and paying the dowry ( ok not a big fortune) she left me after only 2 weeks and the family ended up with a new motorcycle at my expense. But that is history. Now the new Thai girl of my dreams wants us to get married ( we have been together for 15 months). I have promised to marry her before October so I asked her today what was expected of me (knowing in my mind there is no way I am paying any dowry). She replied the family would expect money and gold. My immediate reply was there is no way I am paying anything as I do not believe in buying a girl from the family. I do already support the family by paying the monthly payments on the shiny pickup parked at their house. I know their are many ways to look at this problem but I am English and things are the opposite there and the father of the Bride is supposed to pay everything. I could risk losing my girlfriend over this but I have my pride and my views. I know this subject has been dealt with many times but we all have our opinions about what is right in this situation. But I would appreciate the views of other TV members but I am 99% sure my mind is made up. I may add that I have no need to get married again as I have a bad track record with marriages - my first wife has been certified mentally ill, my second wife died in a motor accident and you know what happened to my Thai bride so by getting married again it could end up with disaster as my daughter keeps telling me. So why should I get married and risk losing a wife and a dowry as well. Keithkarmann

You sound like an honest sincere guy, Keith.

Stick to your guns.

Unless your fiancé is a corn-fed Uni-graduated virgin, do NOT be blackmailed into this thing.

Respect yourself.

You won't find what you are looking for with this family.

And, YES. I am insisting on sinsot for my own daughter.

And Keith I'll go so far as to say "Call me a hypocrite but Keith would be the first to agree that he'd never be eligible to marry my daughter"

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

Without photos and more background info, ur comment is meaningless.

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Points of view...

1. Long term expats who never married here

" What kind of idiot would buy his wife from greedy upcountry relatives

who should get jobs instead of selling their family members..."

2. Expats who paid sin sot and are living the Isan dream in an upcountry village

" I paid sin sot for my lovely wife and am the happiest man in the world. This

is a Thai custom, and if you want to be properly integrated into Thai culture

you must pay this. Anybody who would not consider paying is simply a

cheapskate......."

Hey wait a minute. I have a lovely half Thai three year old daughter. Does this mean I can sell her when she is marriageable age ? Hmmmm....

Nope

But when the lads come sniffin' around you're gonna want them to put some skin in the game ;-)))

Thai Cowchah

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

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I mean no disrespect but why would anyone promise to marry the other?

I shudder to think you did it out of compassion?

Making pick up payments before marriage should already set off warning bells. I don't suppose you'll do the same if you were back home?

Not exclusive to isaan but (statistics speak for themselves) many dream that their daughters will one day catch a foreigner.

Foreigners means more face & abundant help for the family. Sole

purpose is to wring you dry before you move on to another girl. To a thai, most foreigners are unfaithful, it's simply a matter of time.

Take some sound advice from people in this forum.

Many have been there & done the exact same thing.

If you do decide to move on to another, chance it a little & say you've got a little Indian origin & back home the bride-to-be pays the groom.

Or as one would say, cut the pick up payments to save for sin sot!!!

somtam palah

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Get burn once...a mistake.

Get burn again...stupidity.

for the first bride family you bought a motorbike....

for the second a car...

will you go for a house next time if this wont work out?

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Just face the fact that even if she does really love you that's not what's important, money for her family comes first.

They'll probably let you marry her without sin sot, but only if they'r sure they'll get even more on the back end.

To negotiate effectively, you have to sincerely be ready to walk - are you?

IMO doesn't matter as long as you are getting good value for money, and only you can ensure that, day to day month to month, the sin sot is really not the pooint, a once-off drop in the bucket.

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few years ago i did have a close friend, he paid 400K for the sinsot and as well was paying for the pick up.

Few months later when the car was fully paid, the thai girl left with another foreigner... real story.

And my friend just get back home completely wasted.... yet i warned him!

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i agree with stopping all financial support. if she loves you, really loves you and is committed to the relationship, she will stay with you through thick and thin, good times and bad.

before going any further you really need to know whether she cares for you or she cares for your money

i know people who have never paid a thai woman or her family a satang and have wonderful relationships

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Run Forrest run, if the relationship starts with payments it will only get worse. Many ladies out there who just want a man to love. You don't have to buy them.

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You have already placed yourself in a situation whereby you can never be sure if she is with you for the money and thus simply tolerates you, or if she is with you because she loves you...

Adding or not adding Sin-Sod to the equation doesn't change this - you are paying already.

The only true way to be sure is not to make any financial arrangement in the first place.

Cutting finances is already too late. Thus: If you are happy to continue paying for the pick up, you can suggest that this is as far as it goes.

If the family want Sin-Sod simply for show, thats fair enough, if you have guarantees that you'll get it back.

After reading many similar topics its clear that throughout Thailand expectations of Inlaws (and future Inlaws) tends to vary dramatically depending on Socio-economics, education and simple greed. No single rule or generalisation is correct or universal. Thus, being a little flexible is fine...

Mutual Respect is key.. it isn't bought, its earned on both sides. When it exists problems disappear.

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Punishing your next wife for the actions of your previous wife, that makes perfect sense.

Yes he is punishing her by paying the new pickup ;)

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Paying for a pickup is a lot more than sin sod would normally be I would think, so you're already invested big time. Therefore just point that out, buy 1bt gold if you feel inclined and anything else is for show only. If that isn't acceptable don't get married.

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How about just say no, and if the girl likes you she will go with it. If she doesn't really like you, she will disappear and you save yourself getting into a loveless marriage. Who cares what the family think.

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Don't pay a bloody thing, you have known her for under two years! Getting involved in a payment for a truck was a staggering balls up on your part.

I would ride off into the sunset because this sounds like it's going only one way, down the u - bend.

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I can't get my head round you buying a truck for a girl friends family........sad.png

How did/were you put in that position to do so ?

LOVE makes people do crazy thing.

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