Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[Maestro]

Woman raises questions about cockpit behaviour

By ninemsn staff|Air date: Tuesday, March 11, 2014

Watch the video: http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8812646/woman-raises-questions-about-cockpit-behaviour

[Thai at Heart]

I doubt it was Iran, things are going well for them at the moment. They also have no beef with Malaysia and I doubt they want one.

Not so much Malaysia but China...

If Iran was to upset China, their will be no one left who will sell them anything more dangerous than a pea shooter, let alone all the hi-tech stuff for their nuclear program.

If u want to freak out the chinese people, let them think they are a terrorist target.

The numbers of them travelling will plummet now. Who does this benefit?the Chinese govt of course.

[khwaibah]

12 March 2014 Last updated at 23:54

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26554875

[webfact]

China satellite finds 'suspected crash site' in Malaysia jet hunt

by Tom HANCOCK

BEIJING, March 13, 2014 (AFP) - China said its satellites have detected three large floating objects in a suspected crash site near where a missing Malaysian jet lost contact, the latest twist in a hunt which entered its sixth day Thursday.

China's state science and technology administration said late Wednesday that a Chinese satellite had seen the objects in a "suspected crash sea area" in the South China Sea on March 9, and that the images were being analysed.

The search for Malaysia Airlines flight 370 now encompasses nearly 27,000 nautical miles (over 90,000 square kilometres) -- roughly the size of Portugal -- and involves the navies and air forces of multiple nations.

The hunt originally focused on an area off Vietnam's South China Sea coast, where the Boeing 777 last made contact Saturday on a journey from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

But Malaysian authorities later expanded it to the Andaman Sea, north of Indonesia, hundreds of miles away.

The suspected objects detected by the Chinese satellite were found at 105.63 degrees longitude East and 6.7 degrees latitude North, the administration said on its website.

It added that they were spread across an area with a radius of 20 kilometres (12 miles), in sizes that appeared to be 13 x 18 metres, 14 x 19 metres and 24 x 22 metres. Previous sighting of possible debris have proved not to be from the jet.

It was not clear whether or when the images had been shared with Malaysian officials coordinating the ever-shifting search effort. Officials could not immediately be reached for comment Thursday morning.

- No blast on US satellites -

US authorities said Wednesday that their spy satellites had detected no sign of a mid-air explosion when a Malaysian airliner lost contact with air traffic controllers.

On Wednesday Malaysia denied that the hunt for the aircraft was mired in confusion after a series of false alarms, rumours and contradictory statements.

Malaysian air force chief General Rodzali Daud attempted to explain why the search zone had been expanded, telling a press conference that military radar detected an unidentified object early Saturday north of the Malacca Strait off Malaysia's west coast.

He said that the reading, taken less than an hour after the plane lost contact over the South China Sea, was still being investigated and they were not able to confirm it was MH370.

The confusion has fuelled perceptions that Malaysian authorities are unable to handle a crisis on this scale, and infuriated relatives.

Analysts said there were burning questions over what information -- if any -- Malaysia has gleaned from both military and civilian radar, and the plane's transponders, and over discounted reports it was later detected near Indonesia.

"There are so many information sources that do not appear to have been used effectively in this case. As a result, the families of the missing passengers and crew are being kept in the dark," said David Learmount, operations and safety editor at industry magazine Flightglobal.

One new detail did emerge: the words of MH370's final radio transmission.

Malaysia's ambassador to China, Iskandar Sarudin, said one of the pilots said "alright, good night" as the flight switched from Malaysian to Vietnamese airspace, according to Singapore's Straits Times newspaper.

Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, Malaysia's civil aviation chief, later confirmed to AFP that those were the last words from the cockpit.

- 'Cracking and corrosion' -

Months before the Malaysia Airlines jet vanished, US regulators had warned of a "cracking and corrosion" problem on Boeing 777s that could lead to a mid-air breakup and drastic drop in cabin pressure.

"We are issuing this AD (Airworthiness Directive) to detect and correct cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the airplane," the Federal Aviation Administration said.

It had circulated a draft of the warning in September, issuing a final directive on March 5, three days before MH370 disappeared.

In Malaysia, frustrations were boiling over with the country's active social media and some press outlets turning from sympathy for the families of relatives to anger over the fruitless search.

"The mood among Malaysians now is moving from patience... to embarrassment and anger over discrepancies about passengers, offloaded baggage and concealed information about its last known position," Malaysian Insider, a leading news portal, said in a commentary.

Twitter users took aim at the web of contradictory information that has fuelled conspiracy theories.

"If the Malaysian military did not see MH370 turn toward the Malacca Strait, then why the search? Who decided to look there and why?" one comment said.

The anger was compounded by a report aired on Australian television of a past cockpit security breach involving the co-pilot of the missing jet.

Malaysia Airlines said it was "shocked" over allegations that First Officer Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, along with a fellow pilot, violated airline rules in 2011 by allowing two young South African women into their cockpit during a flight.

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2014-03-13

[EyesWideOpen]

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26554875

That is the best resolution of a Chinese satellite ??? Think they have a lot of catching up to do.

On a side note, I thought this area was already heavily searched ? In any event I hope that

that wreckage is indeed found, to solve the mystery.

[geriatrickid]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26554875

That is the best resolution of a Chinese satellite ??? Think they have a lot of catching up to do.

On a side note, I thought this area was already heavily searched ? In any event I hope that

that wreckage is indeed found, to solve the mystery.

Keep in mind, the image is 3-4 days old. There are factors such as drift and sea conditions that may have changed the location of the possible debris. Also, the debris may have been submerged when there were vessels in the area. Not an excuse, but it took approx. 5 days to locate the AF crash site and 2 years to find the flight data recorder, and that was with having a much more robust and reliable flight path data pool.

BTW, the Chinese have much better imaging capabilities on some satellites. If it is a debris, it will be amusing to see what the response is from the people who posted to this thread claiming the aircraft landed somewhere, or that this was a black ops that saw the pax kidnapped.

[Carib]

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26554875

That is the best resolution of a Chinese satellite ??? Think they have a lot of catching up to do.

On a side note, I thought this area was already heavily searched ? In any event I hope that

that wreckage is indeed found, to solve the mystery.

It was to be expected, the Chinese bashing is next on the program, at least they have come up with something without making sensational claims.

[LennyW]

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26554875

According to the BBC report, these images were captured on Sunday and released yesterday - Wednesday, this is now Thursday....Why the wait?

[geriatrickid]

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More alleged evidence placing the incident back near the original flight path of the jet from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. An eMail from oil worker on a rig in the sea.

http://twitpic.com/dy1qmm

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Incredibly irresponsible to release the full email info with the passport info and email address of the person. Good way to facilitate identity theft or harassment etc. This would never ever have been outside of Asia. Sometimes I wonder if cluelessness is the byword in the region.

[geriatrickid]

According to the BBC report, these images were captured on Sunday and released yesterday - Wednesday, this is now Thursday....Why the wait?

Satellites gather large amounts of information. It still requires a human to review the images. There is a finite amount of analysis that can be done in a work day. The people who review the images and data have to possess the knowledge and training to be able to focus on a specific data point. Remember 9-11 and all the intercepted phone calls and emails that pointed to the likelihood of the hijackings? The information wasn't discovered until some time after the event.

[wprime]

Found it:

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/BOEING-777-200ER/2001-BOEING-777-200ER/1314333.htm

[simon43]

I'd like to know if it took this long for the oil worker to come forward

from what I recall from the posts on the pilots' forum, the oil worker had sent a previous email with these details, but had not received any response. So he tried again by sending his email to a different email address.

As for the resolution of those Chinese satellite images, I can assure you that the Chinese have satellites with much higher resolution - I am sure they deliberately degraded the resolution on those images to obscure the true capabilities of their satellite imaging equipment.

Simon

[EyesWideOpen]

I'd like to know if it took this long for the oil worker to come forward

from what I recall from the posts on the pilots' forum, the oil worker had sent a previous email with these details, but had not received any response. So he tried again by sending his email to a different email address.

As for the resolution of those Chinese satellite images, I can assure you that the Chinese have satellites with much higher resolution - I am sure they deliberately degraded the resolution on those images to obscure the true capabilities of their satellite imaging equipment.

Simon

Granted. It is likely they looked at high resolution photos, saw it was the aircraft,

and then released fuzzy blobs. I am somewhat surprised that a helicopter has

not already been sent out to verify what this debris is.......

[wheels758]

I'd like to know if it took this long for the oil worker to come forward

from what I recall from the posts on the pilots' forum, the oil worker had sent a previous email with these details, but had not received any response. So he tried again by sending his email to a different email address.

As for the resolution of those Chinese satellite images, I can assure you that the Chinese have satellites with much higher resolution - I am sure they deliberately degraded the resolution on those images to obscure the true capabilities of their satellite imaging equipment.

Simon

Granted. It is likely they looked at high resolution photos, saw it was the aircraft,

and then released fuzzy blobs. I am somewhat surprised that a helicopter has

not already been sent out to verify what this debris is.......

Just because they didn't make you a personal phonecall......

[Overandout]

Still one thing I don't follow:

We can (or probably should) discredit everything that the Malaysians, both official and unofficially say, but...

A few days back, China claimed that the US Embassy in Beijing had told them that an SOS message had been heard from the flight by US military at Utapao.

Now this seems to be being ignored (discredited?) also.

So, were the Chinese also spinning lies about what the US Embassy had said, or were the US also telling lies?

For me the Malaysians should not take 100% of the blame for the misinformation farce around this tragedy, it seems that everyone is in this together.

[laolover88]

Beginning to look like the Ockham's Razor theory was right!

[EyesWideOpen]

I'd like to know if it took this long for the oil worker to come forward

from what I recall from the posts on the pilots' forum, the oil worker had sent a previous email with these details, but had not received any response. So he tried again by sending his email to a different email address.

As for the resolution of those Chinese satellite images, I can assure you that the Chinese have satellites with much higher resolution - I am sure they deliberately degraded the resolution on those images to obscure the true capabilities of their satellite imaging equipment.

Simon

Granted. It is likely they looked at high resolution photos, saw it was the aircraft,

and then released fuzzy blobs. I am somewhat surprised that a helicopter has

not already been sent out to verify what this debris is.......

Just because they didn't make you a personal phonecall......

No need to call me. A quick helicopter flight out to this site, and then a news release

would be fine.....

[jpinx]

Wait to see if any of the searchers can locate whatever it was that the Chinese satellite photograph shows. Shame they didn't show this photo when it was taken on Sunday

[EyesWideOpen]

Beginning to look like the Ockham's Razor theory was right!

Anti - razor....

"Occam's Razor has met some opposition from people who have considered it too extreme or rash. Walter Chatton (c. 1290–1343) was a contemporary of William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347) who took exception to Occam's Razor and Ockham's use of it. In response he devised his own anti-razor: "If three things are not enough to verify an affirmative proposition about things, a fourth must be added, and so on."

[angeldevil69]

From the point where Flight MH370 lost contact to where the oil rig man saw the plane, is well off course and pretty far apart. Could it mean that when it lost contact right before entering Vietnamese airspace and been Hijacked? Then pilots changed Heading according to hijackers and flew for such total distance till a fight broke up in the cockpit and crashed?

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[harrycallahan]

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26554875

That is the best resolution of a Chinese satellite ??? Think they have a lot of catching up to do.

On a side note, I thought this area was already heavily searched ? In any event I hope that

that wreckage is indeed found, to solve the mystery.

Warning, shocking news ahead: Google Earth is NOT live!

High res photos are taken by low orbit satellites. The trade off of lower orbits is that coverage is reduced, both width and time. If you want constant coverage on a spot it has to be geosynchronous which is about 50x a shuttle altitude.

Getting this photo is as much to do with luck as anything else.

[cmiuc]

It is interesting what is being said by a variety news agencies... for example... CBC News(Canada)... states that there conflicts in stories between China and Malaysia... Here is a quote CBC,

"The new Chinese reports of the satellite images came after several days of sometimes confusing and conflicting statements from Malaysian officials.

Earlier Wednesday, the Malaysian military officially disclosed why it was searching on both sides of the country: A review of military radar records showed what might have been the plane turning back and crossing westward into the Strait of Malacca.

That would conflict with the latest images on the Chinese website." unquote.

the article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-flight-mh370-hunt-chinese-images-show-possible-debris-1.2570313

Next... here is what is circulating in Vietnam about the whole matter... very interesting...

"unknown source... but said that it was some newspaper in VN"

IT HAS TO BE A CONSPIRACY.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? the latest information about the Malaysian aircraft were missing. D Add reference information. Hyhy Has 5 days from when the aircraft turned 200 people away, 9 pm now now malaysia facts about the aircraft was announced.
The aircraft, including 200 passengers most of the Chinese people and the whole crew were Chinese bribed. The aircraft was not drowned as predicting that splashed down a Chinese carrier Hainan Island 300 km and Jammer radar protection.

Mr. Li Keqiang-Tan Chinese Premier has refused to speak with reporters about the incident on.

In fact, China took advantage of the missing aircraft and brought more than 20 warships and airplanes traveling freely to keep the waters of Hainan Island 2 and Changsha. Notice the unusual, Vietnamese military leader board-prevention and Rescue Committee have also mobilized more than 50 warships, fighters, in part helping Malaysia to find the aircraft and to protect as well as ballast to face China.
Vietnam has been very tactful when agreeing to the American ships to join the search, thus can take control of the situation. On December 15/3 to come, there will be a meeting between the political table 3 related Eastern waters in the country and representatives of the European countries and the United States with China on the issue of peace on the East Coast.

Through his work on gradually reveals the plot to annex the Eastern Sea to Vietnam and other countries.

If you look at this photo from VN investigators... they are showing other guesses...and the water is so shallow... It is kind of hard to believe they can't find it... with all that technology and satelites(excluding China's crappy one)...

(copy the whole line if interested)

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2570373.1394663133!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/hi-malaysia-air-852-jpg.jpg

SO many unanswered questions... i pity the families without closure or hope... just in limbo and with all the reporting looking to all be inaccurate... must be driving the crazy...

hope soon the truth will come out...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The Chinese have released pics of what maybe wreckage via BBC website the location looks not far from the oil worker location

I'd like to know if it took this long for the oil worker to come forward, or if he DID report it to the 'relevant authorities' and it has simply been lost in the same cloud of FUD that seems to have enveloped many of the Malaysians wheeled out in front of the media to provide 'answers'. The phrase 'plausible deniability' may be a cliche, but it's a cliche that rings true when potential lawsuits could cost Malaysia - and/or Boeing - billions. Whether they were terrorists or not, it was the Malaysians that allowed two fraudulent passport holders onto their national carrier - it's only after the fact that we are being told that this happens more than the powers-that-be want to admit.

Re the connection between the oil worker report and the Chinese images, the BBC report includes the following:

The satellite images place the objects 150 miles (250km) or so from the aircraft's last known position over the South China Sea and 250 miles from an oil rig on which a worker reported seeing a burning object in the sky on Saturday morning.

[jpinx]

The Chinese have released pics of what maybe wreckage via BBC website the location looks not far from the oil worker location

I'd like to know if it took this long for the oil worker to come forward, or if he DID report it to the 'relevant authorities' and it has simply been lost in the same cloud of FUD that seems to have enveloped many of the Malaysians wheeled out in front of the media to provide 'answers'. The phrase 'plausible deniability' may be a cliche, but it's a cliche that rings true when potential lawsuits could cost Malaysia - and/or Boeing - billions. Whether they were terrorists or not, it was the Malaysians that allowed two fraudulent passport holders onto their national carrier - it's only after the fact that we are being told that this happens more than the powers-that-be want to admit.

Re the connection between the oil worker report and the Chinese images, the BBC report includes the following:

The satellite images place the objects 150 miles (250km) or so from the aircraft's last known position over the South China Sea and 250 miles from an oil rig on which a worker reported seeing a burning object in the sky on Saturday morning.

Where is the location information for the chinese satellite photos?

As for the delay in releasing the photos -- they needed time to get their warships down into the area on pretext of searching See my previous post way back in this thread...

[laolover88]

Whatever this turns out to be.....interesting that a Chinese satellite spots something that a US one did not or,

if it did, did not reveal!

[laolover88]

Beginning to look like the Ockham's Razor theory was right!

Anti - razor....

"Occam's Razor has met some opposition from people who have considered it too extreme or rash. [/size]Walter Chatton (c. 12901343) was a contemporary of William of Ockham (c. 12871347) who took exception to Occam's Razor and Ockham's use of it. In response he devised his own anti-razor: "If three things are not enough to verify an affirmative proposition about things, a fourth must be added, and so on."[/size]

But then, of course, there is : Solomonoff's theory of inductive inference!!

[balo]

Maybe China planted the debris there themselves, why several days delay to release the images when the whole world are searching for it ? Something smells fishy here....

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[Tywais]

A perspective on the enormity of scanning satellite imagery:

The search area was last reported around 38,500 square miles that is equal to about 99.7 billion square meters.

Say looking for a 22 meter or 500 square meter object. That is a ratio of 500/99.7 billion

Now let's say you have a table top of 5m x 5m = 25 sqm and you have a microscope trying to find a spec on it.

That spec would be 25 x (500/99.7 e^⁶) = .12 microns using the above ratio. A human hair is about 100 microns.

So the proverbial needle in the haystack is pretty easy in comparison.

Of course that is assuming only human eye scanning of the satellite images but probably also use computerized algorithms to narrow it down but still a massive amount of data. Plus probably not scanning the imagery in the correct area initially.

[MrWorldwide]

The Chinese had the abacus and gunpowder while most of our ancestors were still living in mud huts - I'm going to give them another day or two on this one before offering my undeniable talents in forensic analysis.

[Jip99]

From the point where Flight MH370 lost contact to where the oil rig man saw the plane, is well off course and pretty far apart. Could it mean that when it lost contact right before entering Vietnamese airspace and been Hijacked? Then pilots changed Heading according to hijackers and flew for such total distance till a fight broke up in the cockpit and crashed?

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