Yamaha Tricity

[Thaiwi]

OK, power is relative and I don't want to discourage others from buying this bike.

I'm just saying it's much slower than the YNE, but is still fine for Bangkok.

I plan to ride down to Hua Hin soon so will see how it does on more open roads in a few weeks.

I rebodied my YNE to stock and here is a comparison.

The Tricity is shorter in overall length so I hope that helps me maneuver better through stopped traffic.

I also spent 15 hours learning how the bike is put together by adding Ninja250 mirrors, and 7 additional LED lights for braking, turns, and a blue underglow.

The stock mirrors are very good but wide; with these narrower mirrors I think lane splitting will be fine.

I can actually position them narrower than the body but then I don't see much behind me.

Yamaha should have put fairing mirrors on in the original design; the further away mirrors are gives better viewing angles.

I got a XL size Bilmola helmet and it fits the Tricity but not the YNE.

Both of these bike could have had more storage space under the seat, not sure why they don't bother maximizing under seat storage on all these bikes.

Rather than overload the thread with tons of photos, you can see more pics here.

http://s749.photobucket.com/user/ttakata73/slideshow/Yamaha%20Tricity

Any update on how it's been treating you a few days in? Would love to hear your feedback both positive and negative, as you can see on this thread I just took one for a test ride and loved it. But I would appreciate more info if you have it

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[ll2]

II2 I think we all understand the benefits if it can stand upright. What we are saying is that it doesn't, no matter how hard we try or how much you argue, the bike won't stand up of its own accord.

Therefore I think continuing on this boring tangent is a little pointless. I respect your opinion, but the bike unfortunately doesn't have the feature you wish. The end. Please, get back on topic.

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Thanks for your understanding. I hope some others also remove their eye covers and respect others' opinion without attacking.

OK. Back to the topic.

Just one question for owners here. Once you lean, do both front wheels fully stay on the ground? I mean do both tires offer a full grip? Or is it just one tire that has full grip?

Edited May 4, 2014 by ll2

[Thaiwi]

II2 I think we all understand the benefits if it can stand upright. What we are saying is that it doesn't, no matter how hard we try or how much you argue, the bike won't stand up of its own accord.

Therefore I think continuing on this boring tangent is a little pointless. I respect your opinion, but the bike unfortunately doesn't have the feature you wish. The end. Please, get back on topic.

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Thanks for your understanding. I hope some others also remove their eye covers and respect others' opinion without attacking.

OK. Back to the topic.

Just one question for owners here. Once you lean, do both front wheels fully stay on the ground? I mean do both tires offer a full grip? Or is it just one tire that has full grip?

I'm not an owner yet, but both wheels do stay on the ground even in tight turns. I imagine the inside wheel depending on which way you turn would command more grip. But nevertheless it's darn stable and feels very safe.

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[paz]

And Vespa copies got seized in 2013.

Vespa is Piaggio. Why would anyone seize a scooter made by the company that holds the patent?

You must be kidding here

Vespa and MP4 copies from China got seized.

[funcat]

The reasons why it doesn't stay upright are simple. There is no need for staying upright. So hard to understand/accept? Why doesn't your CBR have training wheels so disabled people can ride it? Why can the Tricity not fly?

It would be stupid to add complexity to the construction and to make the Tricity more expensive with things noone need. And it would be heavier too. Member paz already has said this.

The bike is not made for disabled people (Yamaha has never claimed that). So noone would have any real benefit. Instead they would lose sales if disabled people start riding the Tricity. And the disabled people would be disappointed because the Tricity would still be dangerous to ride for them, even with the ability of staying upright.

Paz said other things too in his post but you choose ones that you liked with a tweezers. And anyway those are Paz's ideas.

It should be better if Yamaha made this bike staying upright like other makers are doing for more safety, practicality and worry free ride.

ll2,you've mention before,that you don't understand the Tricity concept,because you keep thinking it's made for disable people....well,after all those post you still don't get it ?!...I will suggest you stop at Yamaha and test one yourself...if after the test you'll still have problem understanding the concept,than give us your opinion again...sure enough?

I am not saying it is made for disabled people, just read my posts carefully.

I am just saying it makes it more practical for everyone, even for disabled.

Can you oppose that?

I think,you're the only one here who mentioned the 'disable' subject....than you asked,if two wheels touch the ground when it heels....man,if you don't want to test ride it yourself,just watch the videos....looks like you're totally clueless about this scooter..

[wantan]

I am not saying it is made for disabled people, just read my posts carefully.

I am just saying it makes it more practical for everyone, even for disabled.

Can you oppose that?

ll2, we are reading your posts carefully. The problem is that they often make no sense.

And if i ask you what you mean you dont answer.

Why should a bike that isnt suitable for disabled people be more practical for them if it could stay upright?

You also said the Tricity would be safer if it would stay upright. Sorry, for me this makes no sense. Seems you dont understand the concept of the Tricity. And instead of informing yourself you tell others to better open their eyes and start posting weird pictures

[Nebula]

Is there reason to argue? First why some people posting about Piaggio ( me), then now the argument about disabled and, never ending arguments. What do u fight about? He said it will be more convenient, I also agree and others did that it will be but obviously cant. Patents involved obviously too. And why I posted, did u really need to ask this? I guess u got the answer more discussing and information was provided.

I saw the advertisement, saw clips of the Piaggio , saw price list of their models. I didnt post though since the videos were in French.

Anyway the price really high, after rough calculation I think will be around 400 000 b. (this is the price in my country, in EU).

I am glad Thaiwi posted his impression, where s this dealer?

[wantan]

^

This is TV bike forum. We have to argue. This is what we are here for

And if someone starts spreading the idea the Tricity is interesting for disabled people we have to teach him it is not. Havent we?

[Som wat]

Saw one today in Future Park.

Yamaha had a stall.

The Tricity had its rear mudguard pushed into the door panel of a nice car in the unmanned car polish stand next to them.

3 Thais playing on their phones while asleep.

Lots of interested people taking turns turning the front wheel, which on the carpet made the rest of the bike move and further damage the car it was jutted into.

Looked nice - maroon and charcoal colour.

[Thaiwi]

Is there reason to argue? First why some people posting about Piaggio ( me), then now the argument about disabled and, never ending arguments. What do u fight about? He said it will be more convenient, I also agree and others did that it will be but obviously cant. Patents involved obviously too. And why I posted, did u really need to ask this? I guess u got the answer more discussing and information was provided.

I saw the advertisement, saw clips of the Piaggio , saw price list of their models. I didnt post though since the videos were in French.

Anyway the price really high, after rough calculation I think will be around 400 000 b. (this is the price in my country, in EU).

I am glad Thaiwi posted his impression, where s this dealer?

Hi Nebula. I was at Yamaha Bang Bo, about 30 minutes from Mega Bangna, Samut Prakan(BKK to some people)

They had a specific demo day on Saturday, so I'm not sure about tests rides and such as of now, but the deal is great and as long as I buy before the 20th of next month the price stays at 79,500 (+ orc and ins). After this it goes up to the 82,000 others have been mentioning.

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[Som wat]

I bet they'll be popular at the rental places. Especially with the Mum, Dad and Child tourists.

Probably won't be long until they're available to rent. Just put your name down on the 6 month rental waiting list for them.

[Nebula]

Thank you Thaiwi. I dont know why I had the impression was at Rachada. May be coz its near me haha.

No Wantan, its not arguing if he asks me why am I posting. And I didnt see anything wrong with LL s post too.

[BSJ]

For disabled people it really needs small wheels on legs that drop down when you press a button to help keep it stable when they are mounting and dis-mounting. And a locking brake lever.

And when I say disabled, I mean people who are able to walk with assistance.

[Nebula]

The Piaggio has a pedal too, so then will need more modifications if the person cant walk. The pedal for the break I think.

[ttakata]

Frankly I've been avoiding this thread because it is clogged up with BS.

I've done a 100 kilos all over Bangkok and since I changed the mirrors there is no concern splitting lanes and it is fast enough for BKK traffic.

It has no problem weaving & backing up through stopped traffic like my Nouvo.

I even put a Givi E55 on it but I will have to come back later if this wide top box is a good idea.

Picking riding lines doesn't matter as much.

It's fair to guess the front tires soak up bumps 100% better than any normal scooter and the rear does a decent job soaking up bumps too.

So if you want an easy carefree bike for rough roads, this is a great choice.

2 major faults:

1. No front pocket (s). A pocket is great to put a mall parking ticket/card in never mind a drink or gloves. Now I have to ride to the ticket booth with the thing in my mouth.

2. No kickstarter!! I probably kickstarted my Nouvo 30 times because you can't roll/push start a CVT. If I ever have a dead battery now; I need to jump it off another vehicle or get a new battery. What if I'm in the middle of nowhere or its 4AM? So this bike is not good for solo rides in remote areas. The transmission case is not the same as the Nouvo or MIo so I can't even retrofit a kicker. It looks the same as a BWs 125 which also has no kickstarter. I rigged up a jumper cable and battery kill switch so I am at less risk, but really this is bullsh.. and it infuriates me.

These 2 features are on most scooters; even the cheap 49cc ones so <deleted> Yamaha?

I would have gladly paid $100 more for this extra $10-20 of parts.

Other than the 2 cheap drawbacks above, the bike is great and a fantastic value.

[Thaiwi]

Frankly I've been avoiding this thread because it is clogged up with BS.

I've done a 100 kilos all over Bangkok and since I changed the mirrors there is no concern splitting lanes and it is fast enough for BKK traffic.

It has no problem weaving & backing up through stopped traffic like my Nouvo.

I even put a Givi E55 on it but I will have to come back later if this wide top box is a good idea.

Picking riding lines doesn't matter as much.

It's fair to guess the front tires soak up bumps 100% better than any normal scooter and the rear does a decent job soaking up bumps too.

So if you want an easy carefree bike for rough roads, this is a great choice.

2 major faults:

1. No front pocket (s). A pocket is great to put a mall parking ticket/card in never mind a drink or gloves. Now I have to ride to the ticket booth with the thing in my mouth.

2. No kickstarter!! I probably kickstarted my Nouvo 30 times because you can't roll/push start a CVT. If I ever have a dead battery now; I need to jump it off another vehicle or get a new battery. What if I'm in the middle of nowhere or its 4AM? So this bike is not good for solo rides in remote areas. The transmission case is not the same as the Nouvo or MIo so I can't even retrofit a kicker. It looks the same as a BWs 125 which also has no kickstarter. I rigged up a jumper cable and battery kill switch so I am at less risk, but really this is bullsh.. and it infuriates me.

These 2 features are on most scooters; even the cheap 49cc ones so Yamaha?

I would have gladly paid $100 more for this extra $10-20 of parts.

Other than the 2 cheap drawbacks above, the bike is great and a fantastic value.

All valuable points. The PCX I'm on now is missing exactly the same things though I've learnt to adjust to them. Never come across a situation where I've had a flat battery either, fingers crossed.

Thanks for the update. Fair call staying clear of the thread also. Some people get off on talking crap!

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[paz]

The Piaggio has a pedal too, so then will need more modifications if the person cant walk. The pedal for the break I think.

Not all the MP3s have a combined brake pedal, only the LT versions have. That, and the wider front track allow these versions (all that currently made) to be driven with a car license, at least in Europe.

However it still retains separate handlebar levers, using the pedal is optional.

Edited May 4, 2014 by paz

[indothai]

Okay! Well, enough of the arguments ladies. Just had a ride at the local Yamaha dealer and loved it.

Took a second or two to get used too. Really smooth ride. None of the wobbliness you can get on 2 wheelers at low speed going through small spaces. There was 3 of us test riding with one of the staff at the front and another at the back. So 5 of these little machines blasting through the local roads caused quite a stir. Took it over plenty of bumps and it felt much nicer, the shock doesn't do straight up the Handlebars like normal - which I forget when getting back on to the PCX and had a rough ride over some bumps back home.

Acceleration is fine. It's not going to win any races but it does take off faster than cars. Had it up to 80 easily and it wanted to go faster but I couldn't escape our precision in line riding style. The dealer reckons it can hit about 110 and hold it there. (With Thai people I'm assuming)

Cornering is great, can do really sharp turns easily and there isn't even a hint of anything about to slide out from under you.

Lane splitting is easy! No sweat, the locals were ahead of me so I went where they went, and a few of the gaps didn't seem possible to fit though but there was miles of room between the cars and I. Probably something that you would get used too over time. Again, super stable doing this too.

The CVT transmission. Is different on a bike. Just feels like it sits at high revs the second you twist the grip and speed gathers at a decent pace.

To the member who wondered what happens if you just let the bike fall, it slowly slowly starts to topple but feels safe and it was easy to rescue, wasn't super heavy or anything to keep up. Stopped at the lights I found minimal effort is required to hold it upright.

In the end I put a deposit down on one. At only 500 baht I've got nothing to lose and will make a more collective decision later on. The deposit guarantees the price of 79,500. 1500 for on road costs and 2,500 for 2 years of 1st class insurance also.

I loved it. Others will too. Others will hate it. Either way I'm gonna put my new Yamaha shirt on, relax with a beer and the wife and reflect on a good day.

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Great review, though I have a couple of questions... and hope you can shed some light.

- I'm lost with the concept of the Tricity, is it supposed to be easier to ride? Safer?

- How does it ride in dense traffic? ie: Bangkok traffic jams, easy to go between cars (as compared to a scoopy or fino).

- How does it ride with 2 people? comfy? tight?

I live in Bangkok and have yet so see any Tricity running around here, but I have seen a few at the local Yamaha stores.

[VocalNeal]

- I'm lost with the concept of the Tricity,

Well if you are Yamaha what to do? Honda Came up with PCX which is quite successful. So Yamaha also wants a world scooter. So how to compete? Bring out another PCX? This would be compared to PCX and Ok if better but then Honda will..

So you look around for a popular or successful concept that can be offered worldwide that is popular in Europe and in other markets is sufficiently different to be attractive. If people think it is safer, which it maybe, all the better.

Piaggio doesn't make a 125 MP3.

[papa al]

For disabled people it really needs small wheels on legs that drop down when you press a button to help keep it stable when they are mounting and dis-mounting. And a locking brake lever.

And when I say disabled, I mean people who are able to walk with assistance.

No offense but this post has me scratching my head.

For a person who needs assistance walking, wouldn't a car really be more appropriate than any scooter.

Else his attendant &/or walker ride pillion?

I'm a retired physiotherapist, and I can't visualize too many PWNAW safely operating a scooter in traffic either.

A few, sure, but really a minuscule market, methinks.

[Thaiwi]

Great review, though I have a couple of questions... and hope you can shed some light.

- I'm lost with the concept of the Tricity, is it supposed to be easier to ride? Safer?

- How does it ride in dense traffic? ie: Bangkok traffic jams, easy to go between cars (as compared to a scoopy or fino).

- How does it ride with 2 people? comfy? tight?

I live in Bangkok and have yet so see any Tricity running around here, but I have seen a few at the local Yamaha stores.

Good answer about the concept above, they needed something to go above and beyond Hondas offering. They also have said this is one in a line of 'mobility options' - trying to make concepts which will entice people who have never before used scooters and such to give them a go.

It rides in traffic just as well, of not better than the standard 2 wheel options, very stable - I can't stress that enough. So very stable when chopping and changing lanes between cars. Bumps are so easy to go over, you don't feel that great shock up your arms and down the spine that can happen on normal scooters.

2 people fit really well on it. Farang and Thai is my experience, I was able to test with my wife on the back and it wasn't cramped or anything of the like. The CVT transmission seemed to soak up the extra weight also, acceleration wasn't dramatically worse or even too noticeable at all.

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[guzzi850m2]

For disabled people it really needs small wheels on legs that drop down when you press a button to help keep it stable when they are mounting and dis-mounting. And a locking brake lever.

And when I say disabled, I mean people who are able to walk with assistance.

No offense but this post has me scratching my head.

For a person who needs assistance walking, wouldn't a car really be more appropriate than any scooter.

Else his attendant &/or walker ride pillion?

I'm a retired physiotherapist, and I can't visualize too many PWNAW safely operating a scooter in traffic either.

A few, sure, but really a minuscule market, methinks.

Yes sure it will be better with a car but how many disabled Thais can affored one? Parking downtown in say Pattaya is often imposilbe so a little scooter is very handy there.

I seen many converted Honda Wave's in Pattaya, an extra rear wheel have been added so off-course the bike don't need side/center stands anymore. I even saw one that was carring a colapsed wheel chair so this guy (expat) is able to go out instead of being confined to his appartment and I bet his felling of freedom is way better.

Back to topic: Spoke to an expat Tricity owner yesterday at Friendship market Pattaya. I asked(stupid maybe, he-he): Do you like it? He answered: yes why do you think I bought it. Well I guess I had that one coming .

He was very happy with it and told me that he fell more confident on it compared to a normal scooter.

I saw him leave and it looked pretty cool. I hope I can try one one day just for the hell of it.

[wantan]

For disabled people it really needs small wheels on legs that drop down when you press a button to help keep it stable when they are mounting and dis-mounting. And a locking brake lever.

And when I say disabled, I mean people who are able to walk with assistance.

No offense but this post has me scratching my head.

For a person who needs assistance walking, wouldn't a car really be more appropriate than any scooter.

Else his attendant &/or walker ride pillion?

I'm a retired physiotherapist, and I can't visualize too many PWNAW safely operating a scooter in traffic either.

A few, sure, but really a minuscule market, methinks.

I too think it would be quite dangerous to ride a scooter for most, at least in city traffic. But TiT so nothing is impossible. I just saw a man with only one leg (and without prosthesis) riding a Scoopy at full speed He obviously thinks a scooter suits him well, even with two wheels. But this was somewhere in the pampa, not in Bangkok or near any other city. A young sporty man, just missing a leg... and of course without helmet

There are some reasons coming into my mind why the Tricity isn't suitable for people who have problems with walking.

• even if it would stay upright it still would lack a reliable parking brake to stop it from rolling away.
• it has no reverse gear, so the rider would be lost in every situation when the bike had to be moved backwards.
• the wheelbase of the frontwheels is too narrow, the center of gravity (with rider) too high. The bike would easily topple over to the downhill side at a decline or when getting on and off the bike.
• the two wheels are at the front not the back. Never saw a vehicle for disabled like this. Maybe this is not a valid reason it cannot work, but imo an indicator.

There sure are some sporty people with disabilities. Like the men with one leg. These people have less fear and try things out, seek for fun in life and thats a very nice thing to have. But they would take everything and turn it into something that they can use. Guess they will find a way to ride the Tricity too.

Sorry if some members here think this all is offtopic but imo it is not. Some people see the Tricity and think its good for disabled, pregnant women and elderly people. It sure is not. Its just a scooter with two wheels at the front. Is it a gimmick, a gadget, a marketing gag? We will find out soon i guess

[ll2]

Sorry if some members here think this all is offtopic but imo it is not. Some people see the Tricity and think its good for disabled, pregnant women and elderly people. It sure is not. Its just a scooter with two wheels at the front. Is it a gimmick, a gadget, a marketing gag? We will find out soon i guess

after all those nonsense attacking, finally you came to my point wantan, don't you?

It looks like you got your lesson again

I am sure many people want to buy this thinking it can stay upright.

Edited May 5, 2014 by ll2

[ll2]

Frankly I've been avoiding this thread because it is clogged up with BS.

I've done a 100 kilos all over Bangkok and since I changed the mirrors there is no concern splitting lanes and it is fast enough for BKK traffic.

It has no problem weaving & backing up through stopped traffic like my Nouvo.

I even put a Givi E55 on it but I will have to come back later if this wide top box is a good idea.

Picking riding lines doesn't matter as much.

It's fair to guess the front tires soak up bumps 100% better than any normal scooter and the rear does a decent job soaking up bumps too.

So if you want an easy carefree bike for rough roads, this is a great choice.

2 major faults:

1. No front pocket (s). A pocket is great to put a mall parking ticket/card in never mind a drink or gloves. Now I have to ride to the ticket booth with the thing in my mouth.

2. No kickstarter!! I probably kickstarted my Nouvo 30 times because you can't roll/push start a CVT. If I ever have a dead battery now; I need to jump it off another vehicle or get a new battery. What if I'm in the middle of nowhere or its 4AM? So this bike is not good for solo rides in remote areas. The transmission case is not the same as the Nouvo or MIo so I can't even retrofit a kicker. It looks the same as a BWs 125 which also has no kickstarter. I rigged up a jumper cable and battery kill switch so I am at less risk, but really this is bullsh.. and it infuriates me.

These 2 features are on most scooters; even the cheap 49cc ones so <deleted> Yamaha?

I would have gladly paid $100 more for this extra $10-20 of parts.

Other than the 2 cheap drawbacks above, the bike is great and a fantastic value.

Whenever you dont like someone's idea, is it bs for you too?

So, could you please tell us? Once you lean on tricity, do both tires offer full grip? Or only one? If you lean a lot, do outer tire go up?

Edited May 5, 2014 by ll2

[wantan]

Sorry if some members here think this all is offtopic but imo it is not. Some people see the Tricity and think its good for disabled, pregnant women and elderly people. It sure is not. Its just a scooter with two wheels at the front. Is it a gimmick, a gadget, a marketing gag? We will find out soon i guess

after all those nonsense attacking, finally you came to my point wantan, don't you?

It looks like you got your lesson again:D

I am sure many people want to buy this thinking it can stay upright.

I am sorry, i still disagree with you. I hope you dont want me to repeat my reasons again? Do you?

Your point was: "It would be better for all, even the disabled, if the Tricity would stay upright."

And i said: "There is no reason for it to stay upright. It still would not be suitable for disabled people."

If i ask "Is it a gimmick?" i don't do this because of the "lack of staying upright" (like you are suggesting). I ask this question because its still not clear what positive effects the second front wheel has (and how reliable the construction will be).

[VocalNeal]

Yamaha class the Tricity as "New Mobility". That the PC zealots have renamed disability trikes as "mobility" does not have anything to do with the rationale behind Yamaha producing this scooter.

I think we have beaten to death the idea that it is NOT a scooter for the physically handicapped.

[ll2]

Sorry if some members here think this all is offtopic but imo it is not. Some people see the Tricity and think its good for disabled, pregnant women and elderly people. It sure is not. Its just a scooter with two wheels at the front. Is it a gimmick, a gadget, a marketing gag? We will find out soon i guess

after all those nonsense attacking, finally you came to my point wantan, don't you?

It looks like you got your lesson again:D

I am sure many people want to buy this thinking it can stay upright.

I am sorry, i still disagree with you. I hope you dont want me to repeat my reasons again? Do you?

Your point was: "It would be better for all, even the disabled, if the Tricity would stay upright."

And i said: "There is no reason for it to stay upright. It still would not be suitable for disabled people."

If i ask "Is it a gimmick?" i don't do this because of the "lack of staying upright" (like you are suggesting). I ask this question because its still not clear what positive effects the second front wheel has (and how reliable the construction will be).

So, you basically say 'what are the benefits of tricity over a normal two wheeler?', right? Like I said two pages before? And It is a very valid question to ask in a tricity thread.

And believe me, if tricity can stay upright, it sure provides more confidence for inexperienced and believe me some disabled or challenged people buy it although OF COURSE it is not made for disabled people or not fit for them for our western standards.

Edited May 5, 2014 by ll2

[Thaiwi]

Agree to disagree maybe both of you? Stop taking over the thread with nonsense.

Yes, II2 - Both front wheels stay on the ground when turning. If you bother looking earlier in the thread there are videos which show this. Even though I've already told you this.

Blah blah blah, continue moaning and ruin this thread or keep on topic and make it helpful for those who really want to know as much as they can about it. Your choice .

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[wantan]

Thaiwi, just ignore the posts you don't like. Yes we are beating this "stay upright thingy" to death. Sometimes this has to be. You can hardly say we are offtopic, but maybe we are a bit pedantic

ll2, it would only stay upright while standing still or at very slow driving. So why do you think it would provide more confidence for inexperienced riders? There wouldn't be a "magic hand" helping the rider not to crash. It would add more weight and complexcity without any real benefit, other than a little bit convenience to not having to use the sidestand. And this more weight would make it even more unsuitable for challenged people to use it.

Of course we all want to know the pros and cons of the Tricity and its three wheel concept. But to say "it would be better if it would stay upright" makes no sense because bikes usually never stay upright on their own. And this is the bike forum. Yes, Piaggio has a bike that stays upright, but its a completely different concept and more a car/trike than a bike imo.

The KISS priciple, i like this, well done Yamaha. And i am sure if the Tricity sells well it wont take long for Honda to bring a 3 wheeled scooter too...