WolfgangGiesen Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hello a friend wants to fly back to the UK from CMX to BKK and BKK to LHR. Those 2 fligts are seperately booked and I think he will arrive at the domestic area in Swampy, now my questions, where is he best advised to clear his long overstay, CM immigration or at the airport in CM or can it be done in Swampy? Thank you very much for useful information on this and please refrain from overstay bashing. BTW, my friend is in bead health and will need a wheelchair for transport in Swampy, thanks Wolfgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 He will pay the overstay of 20k baht when he clears immigration in Bangkok going by the info you posted. Instead of waiting in line for the immigration check he should inform the officers the that direct people to the lines he is on overstay and they will send heim to the overstay desk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 As he's not booked through from Chiang Mai to London it's a domestic flight to Bangkok so he wont touch Immigration. He will need to pay his overstay fine of 20,000 Baht as he leaves the country through Suvarnabhumi, he will need to leave himself plenty of time though I understand the procedure is pretty quick. The only thing he needs to watch out for is being stopped for any reason and asked to produce his passport before he gets to Suvarnabhumi. If an overstay is noticed by the police he could, theoretically, be arrested and hauled before a judge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 OP if you are satisfied with the info given I will close this this topic at your request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangGiesen Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks Ubonjoe but please leave it open for a little longer because I am scared bringing him to CM and I pushed him through the entrance at check in and he has to deal with this on his own. A friend who gave him the funds for overstay and the ticket back home will fly from CM to BKK on the same day but on a different flight and will not be able to help him because his flight is interconnected to the flight to Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I bow to the Moderators knowledge that it appears 20,000 will cure the problem but theres something seriously wrong if that is the case. Bad health or not some just treat immigration law with impunity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunBENQ Posted April 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) Many similar reports in TV already. Believe it or not. I guess it happens to elderly people more often, simply because they are alone and helpless, maybe handicapped or sick. At some time they give up the bureaucratic struggle. Passport at CM: he will have to produce his passport at the gate check-in for identity check to the airline/airport staff. But they only check the ID page. Edited April 18, 2014 by KhunBENQ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangGiesen Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Many similar reports in TV already. Believe it or not. I guess it happens to elderly people more often, simply because they are alone and helpless, maybe handicapped or sick. At some time they give up the bureaucratic struggle. Passport at CM: he will have to produce his passport at the gate check-in for identity check to the airline/airport staff. But they only check the ID page. Thanks for your kind words, plus I would like to add that he is on a UK pension of less than 15000 Baht a month and I think he will have even bigger problems surviving with this in the UK. And thanks for the info at CM check in, Wolfgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks Ubonjoe but please leave it open for a little longer because I am scared bringing him to CM and I pushed him through the entrance at check in and he has to deal with this on his own. A friend who gave him the funds for overstay and the ticket back home will fly from CM to BKK on the same day but on a different flight and will not be able to help him because his flight is interconnected to the flight to Germany Once he is in the airport his problems will be over as far as the overstay goes. Has the airlines been notified that he will need assistance? They will only check his passport in CM as an ID check. At suv they will not care either. Since he needs a wheel chair he will have help all the way, Nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangGiesen Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks Ubonjoe but please leave it open for a little longer because I am scared bringing him to CM and I pushed him through the entrance at check in and he has to deal with this on his own. A friend who gave him the funds for overstay and the ticket back home will fly from CM to BKK on the same day but on a different flight and will not be able to help him because his flight is interconnected to the flight to Germany Once he is in the airport his problems will be over as far as the overstay goes. Has the airlines been notified that he will need assistance? They will only check his passport in CM as an ID check. At suv they will not care either. Since he needs a wheel chair he will have help all the way, Nothing to worry about. Thanks Ubonjoe, this takes a lot of pressure for all involved of my friends repatriation apart of the probs he will face in the UK with no place to live, but this is a differnt issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeandDow Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Many similar reports in TV already. Believe it or not. I guess it happens to elderly people more often, simply because they are alone and helpless, maybe handicapped or sick. At some time they give up the bureaucratic struggle. Passport at CM: he will have to produce his passport at the gate check-in for identity check to the airline/airport staff. But they only check the ID page. Incorrect (Passport at CM: he will have to produce his passport at the gate check-in for identity check) does not have to show passport, ANY photo ID can be used for domestic flight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NancyL Posted April 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) I have assisted others with very similar problem, same age, same route, and understand your concerns. You're afraid he might have problems with the transfer at BKK, have difficulty physiclaly handling the notes to pay the overstay, maybe have problems communicating at the BKK airport, etc. If you can book him on either Thai Airway or Korean Air then he can check in as an international passenger in Chiang Mai and you can be with him while he pays his overstay in Chiang Mai. They let someone escort an elderly person to the area where you pay the overstay fine at Chiang Mai. Korean Air may seem an odd way to go to London. It's Chiang Mai- Seoul-London, but the cost is usually cheaper than Thai Airways and the Seoul airport is the best in the world for transit passengers. They go a great job of watching elderly people in wheelchairs. Plus, he'd totally avoid passing thru Bangkok. You'd have the piece of mind of knowing he's out of Thailand when he leaves Chiang Mai. Incidentally, I've never been able to settle an overstay fine with someone at CM Immigration. They always say to do it at the airport. Edited April 18, 2014 by NancyL 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyL Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 As for your friend seeking assistance in the U.K. -- it might be a good idea for someone to check in with Heathrow Travelcare prior to his going, to see what options are available for him: http://heathrowtravelcare.co.uk/ Certainly, he needs to be aware of the existence of the Travel Care office, if he arrives in needs of assistance. Note, they're not open 24/7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HeavyDrinker Posted April 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2014 Good luck and safe travels to your friend. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangGiesen Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 As for your friend seeking assistance in the U.K. -- it might be a good idea for someone to check in with Heathrow Travelcare prior to his going, to see what options are available for him: http://heathrowtravelcare.co.uk/ Certainly, he needs to be aware of the existence of the Travel Care office, if he arrives in needs of assistance. Note, they're not open 24/7. Thank you Nancyl for all your input on this, Wolfgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks for your kind words, plus I would like to add that he is on a UK pension of less than 15000 Baht a month and I think he will have even bigger problems surviving with this in the UK. And thanks for the info at CM check in, His pension will be increased once he's able to contact the Pension Authorities as it will be unfrozen and he will be paid the current rate, not by much but providing he has paid the maximum contributions it would be in the region of £113 per week, so about 24,250 Baht every four weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I bow to the Moderators knowledge that it appears 20,000 will cure the problem but theres something seriously wrong if that is the case. Bad health or not some just treat immigration law with impunity I don't think having to pay a 20k baht fine is impunity. That is the max fine set by the immigration act of 1979. Immigration appears to have a policy the fine is all the punishment there will be if you voluntarily do it. Getting caught with one is a different story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) As for your friend seeking assistance in the U.K. -- it might be a good idea for someone to check in with Heathrow Travelcare prior to his going, to see what options are available for him: http://heathrowtravelcare.co.uk/ Certainly, he needs to be aware of the existence of the Travel Care office, if he arrives in needs of assistance. Note, they're not open 24/7. @ 76 he'll likely be an ex serviceman & may find help there too: http://www.veterans-uk.info/welfaresupportcontact.htm another useful link for anyone in this position is: http://www.turn2us.org.uk/grants_search.aspx HTH OP: Have you checked his passport is otherwise valid? Edited April 18, 2014 by evadgib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I have removed some posts that were just bickering. Please no more of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangGiesen Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks for your kind words, plus I would like to add that he is on a UK pension of less than 15000 Baht a month and I think he will have even bigger problems surviving with this in the UK. And thanks for the info at CM check in, His pension will be increased once he's able to contact the Pension Authorities as it will be unfrozen and he will be paid the current rate, not by much but providing he has paid the maximum contributions it would be in the region of £113 per week, so about 24,250 Baht every four weeks. Thank you for this information, I will pass all this info to my friend and it will be very helpful for his new start in the UK aswell, Wolfgang Thaivisa.com a source of information for anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasia Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 This might be useful for his time back in the UK http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/ Free, they`ll likely try to help with UK care/issues/advice. Good Luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NancyL Posted April 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Thank you mods, for keeping this thread open long enough for useful suggestions to be added. The OP and his friends are to be congratulated for pulling together the funds and organizing a trip home for the old gent. This thread has some tips and good resources for others who are willing to do the same for others. There are hundreds of old men like this in Thailand, living on the edge, on overstay. Many had been doing back-to-back overland border runs to "stay legal" and just gave up the charade when they changed the permission to stay from 30 days to 15 days about 6 or 7 years ago. Once-a month-border runs in a mini-van are hard enough for an old guy, but every 15 days is just too much for an old body to take. About this time, too, the value of the U.K. pound sterling took a real dive, so these guys found themselves in a real fix, literally trapped in Thailand. So they just live day-to-day getting by on 12,000 - 18,000 baht per month. I've seen dozens like this in Chiang Mai. The lucky ones have friends or family who can help them get out before they have health problems. The unlucky ones don't. For those who pass judgement on the OP and the old gent in question -- just remember, the Thai authorities will do everything possible to avoid arresting these old men for overstay. They'll let them sleep off a drunk overnight in jail. They don't want to put an old man in IDC -- they don't want to be responsible for the health care or even death of an elderly foreigner. Often what happens is that the old man has a major medical problem and creates a burden for the Thai people with his unpaid bills at a gov't hospital. The OP and his friends have saved the Thai people this burden by helping this man to leave the country. Again, they are to be thanked for this service to Thailand. Edited April 19, 2014 by NancyL 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre0720 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) I bow to the Moderators knowledge that it appears 20,000 will cure the problem but theres something seriously wrong if that is the case. Bad health or not some just treat immigration law with impunity Nothing wrong here.. He can very well still follow the immigration law...... Which states that an alien must possess a permission to stay in Thailand, reporting etc. And failure to do so will result in a fine of up to 20,000 bahts upon exiting the country... And Thailand will welcome him back if he so wishes... Edited April 19, 2014 by Andre0720 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Thanks for your kind words, plus I would like to add that he is on a UK pension of less than 15000 Baht a month and I think he will have even bigger problems surviving with this in the UK. And thanks for the info at CM check in, His pension will be increased once he's able to contact the Pension Authorities as it will be unfrozen and he will be paid the current rate, not by much but providing he has paid the maximum contributions it would be in the region of £113 per week, so about 24,250 Baht every four weeks. Assuming that it is, indeed, the UK State Pension that we are talking about here, he might be in for a sizeable increase if his pension has been frozen at the same level as it was when he originally claimed it 11 years ago at the age of 65. Furthermore, all subsequent annual increases to which he would have been entitled had he been living in the UK rather than Thailand will be retrospectively backdated in the form of a lump sum payment AFAIK. Edited April 19, 2014 by OJAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaPhom Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I took someone to the airport 2 years ago and they required a wheelchair, on asking for this was told they must have a medical which they did and were then subsequently refused boarding as they required oxygen and it was 2 days to order. This was from Survanbumi to Chiang Mai.The info about overstay is correct however just bare in mind that airlines can/will refuse boarding if a customer is too sick, hopefully your friend will sail through and get back without any hiccups. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longstebe Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long? Sent from my GT-I9505 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 No malice intended, but it never ceases to amaze me how people knowingly and persistently flaunting the immigration laws of this country and than seeking advice how to get out of it.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theoldgit Posted April 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2014 No malice intended, but it never ceases to amaze me how people knowingly and persistently flaunting the immigration laws of this country and than seeking advice how to get out of it.... As I read the initial post he was not trying "to get out of it" but was trying to ascertain what the procedure would be. I personally think it's decent that the OP took the trouble to try and gather information for his elderly friend. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kratiam Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Thanks for your kind words, plus I would like to add that he is on a UK pension of less than 15000 Baht a month and I think he will have even bigger problems surviving with this in the UK. And thanks for the info at CM check in, His pension will be increased once he's able to contact the Pension Authorities as it will be unfrozen and he will be paid the current rate, not by much but providing he has paid the maximum contributions it would be in the region of £113 per week, so about 24,250 Baht every four weeks. Thank you for this information, I will pass all this info to my friend and it will be very helpful for his new start in the UK aswell, Wolfgang Thaivisa.com a source of information for anything Good luck to your friend - he's indeed fortunate to have your support (and that of the positive contributors to this subject). Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long? Sent from my GT-I9505 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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