Jingthing Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The excuse is weak and how do we even know if they are telling the truth about that anyway? Of course they have to come up with a story. Do you think most Thai people would accept their lame excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) That the boys could even get into the river in the first place shows how screwed up the society is on so many levels. How is it possible no adults were around to stop children from swimming in such a monstrous river? How could their parents not have warned them never to swim in the river? How is it possible to get access to the river so easily? It seems like the kids had no self-preservation instinct. Do children also have to be told not to set themselves on fire and not to defenestrate themselves? I don't much blame the photographer - they'd have likely suffered the same fate had they dove into the water unassisted. The boats, however, should have stopped. Joking or not, those kids should have been snatched from the water and marched home to their parents by the police for a good [figurative] whooping. Edited April 25, 2014 by attrayant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Jing, just saying... if I was a boat driver who actually ignored kids who were really drowning, I don't think the first excuse I'd think of would be to claim the kids have been faking drownings on me in the past. If I was a boat driver who actually ignored kids who turned out to be drowning, and was later contacted my police, my first likely response would be to simply say I thought they were horsing around in the water as kids do, and didn't realize there was any trouble. Maybe the boat drivers' claim here is true... Or maybe it's not. I'm just saying, based on the news that's been reported, I don't know that we have any good way to know for sure. Edited April 25, 2014 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 That the boys could even get into the river in the first place shows how screwed up the society is on so many levels. How is it possible no adults were around to stop children from swimming in such a monstrous river? How could their parents not have warned them never to swim in the river? How is it possible to get access to the river so easily? It seems like the kids had no self-preservation instinct. Do children also have to be told not to set themselves on fire and not to defenestrate themselves? I don't know the water situation in the exact spot where these kids drowned. But in general, it's not uncommon at all to see Thai kids swimming along parts of the Chao Phraya in different areas. I've seen it all the time. Hardly any surprise when the weather turns hot, as there's likely not a public swimming pool in their neighborhoods. I'm not saying it's good or bad... Just saying, it's common here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianP Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I learned to float in water when i was 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The boatmen would have known the water was rough that day, yes? From the video it appears they aren't even LOOKING at the boys. They ought to use this horrible incident as a reason to change the laws. The penalty is an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I wonder if a foreigner was accused in this incident, would it also be a B.1,000 fine ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZZPA Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Disgusting people,, pathetic excuses,, insulting fine. Don't know how they can live with themselves, must be hollow inside. Truly tragic incident.. Don't care if this draws criticism,, when it comes to people caring for each other and helping a stranger in need most Western countries put Thailand to shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I wonder if a foreigner was accused in this incident, would it also be a B.1,000 fine ? They would face risk of being lynched. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 If I am fine, I gladly pay. Better than I am not fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoman1976 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So, let me ,ake sure I have this right. If a police officer calls me out for throwing a cigarette butt on the ground it's auto 1000 baht fine but if I let 2 people die right in front of me or film it, it is a MAX of 1000 baht...Alay wa? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshiremusicman Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The people filming the boys when they drown are much worse than the boat owners. With all due respect to your statement about the people filming this appalling tragedy,and judging by the poor quality of the picture they could have been 600+ yards away; what with the very long zoom lenses that we have today. So apart from trying to alert the 'Authorities' (ha ha) they could have done very little to assist the drowning boys. As to one of the people that suggested that the boats were travelling at 45mph just look at the front of the boats - hardly a fast flow of water showing, so much for moving fast eh? I don't care how many times these cretins suggest that they may have been 'duped' before; it is NO EXCUSE not to have assisted in their rescue - shame on them and their dubious 'Merits' earned, but I suppose that all they have to do is go to some temple somewhere to reconcile their lost Merit points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Can't one pick up all manner of disease from the polluted river water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbo1 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 wow, so a thai life is only worth 1000 baht, I guess life is cheap here. It still amazes me that people could just ignore two kids drowing, says a lot for thainess. Life is worth a lot more if it's a road accident involving a farrang 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireboy Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The poor families of those lost.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee4Life Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Actually as far as the person taking the video goes, I haven't seen anybody say for sure whether or not they could swim, but at the same time it doesn't seem that they were jumping around screaming at anyone for help. It did appear that one person tries to swim out to them and save them, but it was too late. They may have been too tired once they swam that distance to be able to be of much help. It is really too bad that these two young men drowned, my condolences to the families. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The excuse is weak and how do we even know if they are telling the truth about that anyway? Of course they have to come up with a story. Do you think most Thai people would accept their lame excuse? Doesn't matter if others believe them. The fact is that a Thai in a tight corner as this sometimes feel obliged to make up a lie and say it to your face, however lame. Thus is face saved.....Thainess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 1000 baht. If I didn't know better, I wouldn't believe it. They "face a 1000 Baht fine" so it won't even be that,didn't see,didn't hear,can't swim..............50 Baht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The excuse is weak and how do we even know if they are telling the truth about that anyway? Of course they have to come up with a story. Do you think most Thai people would accept their lame excuse? Doesn't matter if others believe them. The fact is that a Thai in a tight corner as this sometimes feel obliged to make up a lie and say it to your face, however lame. Thus is face saved.....Thainess It doesn't have to be a tight corner, it seems to be a reflex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Thai Criminal Code....Book 3, Petty Offenses Section 374: Whoever, to see the other person to be in the danger of life, which oneself may help so pwithout the danger to oneself or the other person, but oneself does not assist, shall be imprisoned not out of one month or fined not out of one thousand Baht, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givenall Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 1,000 baht fine for those who ignored drowning teens By Coconuts Bangkok Despite the weight of public outrage, the law has limits. BANGKOK: -- The person who filmed two teens drown Tuesday and the boat operators who ignored their cries for help face a maximum penalty of THB1,000 or one month in jail, according to police. Bang Kho Laem district police are questioning all those involved in the incident, when someone captured the drowning deaths of Raya Puangsatorn, 13, and Sarin Sae-kwong, 20, in the Chao Phraya River as several boats went past without helping. Everyone involved has offered some form of excuse. Boat operators said they ignored them because it wasn’t the first time the boys had called for help, and in fact blamed several false alarms in which the boys had “faked” drowning, Channel 7 and TLC News reported. "I didn't help them because they have tricked us many times,” an unidentified local boat operator told Channel 7. “When we came to rescue them, they laughed at us. See how things turned out when they were actually in danger?” [read more...] Full story: http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/04/25/1000-baht-fine-those-who-ignored-drowning-teens -- Coconuts Bangkok 2014-04-25 Life is so cheap here Sent from my C1904 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The laws are probably from the 60's. I find it a bit strange that they've put actual absolute values of the fines into the print. Ought to be some kind of index, everything these days with a 0 added to the end at least. What law, what's the criminal charge under the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsjohnsson Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 That the boys could even get into the river in the first place shows how screwed up the society is on so many levels. How is it possible no adults were around to stop children from swimming in such a monstrous river? How could their parents not have warned them never to swim in the river? How is it possible to get access to the river so easily? It seems like the kids had no self-preservation instinct. Do children also have to be told not to set themselves on fire and not to defenestrate themselves? I don't much blame the photographer - they'd have likely suffered the same fate had they dove into the water unassisted. The boats, however, should have stopped. Joking or not, those kids should have been snatched from the water and marched home to their parents by the police for a good [figurative] whooping. Maybe you don't realize that there are thousends of people that swim or take a bath in that river every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy6 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Thank god they were punished appropriately , I thought it was only gonna be a 500baht... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Maybe you don't realize that there are thousends of people that swim or take a bath in that river every day. Yes I didn't realize that - but it just goes to underscore my point that the society is backwards if swimming in a deadly river is considered a common activity. The fact that a lot of people do something doesn't mean it's not a stupid thing to do. Edited April 25, 2014 by attrayant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) The laws are probably from the 60's. I find it a bit strange that they've put actual absolute values of the fines into the print. Ought to be some kind of index, everything these days with a 0 added to the end at least. What law, what's the criminal charge under the law? This one: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/721340-1000-baht-fine-for-those-who-ignored-drowning-teens-chao-phraya-river/page-2#entry7736199 ? EDIT: it seems to be from 1956, so the 50's, not 60's. Edited April 25, 2014 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggusoil Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 If it's true what those operators say then why give a fine then? Its politically correct. . . and if its true what they said about the boys crying wolf. That's a bit of instant karma for you. Ask yourself if they had fooled you like that before, what you would have done.. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Their feeble excuses of "they did it before as a prank" don't wash either . . . when someone is drowning you can see easily from the body language, the look in their eyes, and their tone of voice when it's serious or not . . . so that's just total <deleted> and face saving. As your flying by at 45 MPH I'm sure you would look at facial expressions, and hear the tone of voice over the roar of the engine, Oh, you're a Farang, of course you would as Farang never ever walk on by when someone is in distress...... Farangs are heroes. Is this a pathetic approach to excuse what happened? If so, I hope you drown in your thainess and often praised high moral standards. Well, I'd be glad to meet you to discuss it. Do you know where Thailand is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Maybe you don't realize that there are thousends of people that swim or take a bath in that river every day. Yes I didn't realize that - but it just goes to underscore my point that the society is backwards if swimming in a deadly river is considered a common activity. The fact that a lot of people do something doesn't mean it's not a stupid thing to do. Hey, and to think, you chose to live here, crazy uh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre0720 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Their feeble excuses of "they did it before as a prank" don't wash either . . . when someone is drowning you can see easily from the body language, the look in their eyes, and their tone of voice when it's serious or not . . . so that's just total <deleted> and face saving. As your flying by at 45 MPH I'm sure you would look at facial expressions, and hear the tone of voice over the roar of the engine, Oh, you're a Farang, of course you would as Farang never ever walk on by when someone is in distress...... Farangs are heroes. They were less than 10m away from the kids, they could easily have seen and heard if they could be bothered. Not sure ALL farang are heroes, but I can't recall an incidence in the West where children drowned and adults looked on and did nothing. So you justify it however you want, to me it's ignorance, laziness, stupidity and a lack of morality or common human decency. '' to me it's ignorance, laziness, stupidity and a lack of morality or common human decency.'' I had always wondered what 'Thainess' meant.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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