Two killed, 21 wounded in attack on Thai protest camp: officials

[chainarong]

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It will definitely get worse

U could be right Chooka

[The stuttering parrot]

Unfortunately and I think we all agree that an escalation in the violence from both sides was pretty much inevitable .

I also think through all the robust poster over the last couple of months whether your a red or yellow supporter none of us wants to see any violence.

A lot of posters on here want the crisis over and done with but it seems all parties have reached a stalemate and it doesn't matter which way they jump it's only going to lead to more frustration for the side that misses out.

I think the EC should go ahead with the elections to relieve the pressure that's not only built up but is getting higher by the hour.

The acting PM and the leader of the democrats should at the very least come out and make a bipartisan statement calling for calm and condemning all violence on both sides .

Sutep should be treated as irrelevant as it looks like legally he is out of options except for the new speaker and if he takes suteps side then the violence will definitely escalate .

[Stradavarius37]

While I don't hold with either side as being "Right" - only one side seems to get attacked with regularity in this style. There are some nasty vicious folks on both sides but the reds seem to use bombs more often to further their "Agenda" (not to mention Molotov cocktails, M79s, RPGs....etc)

[casualbiker]

A good question is - where do these guys get the M16's??? They are sold by the US to the Thai military and should never see civilian hands.

In the US, some states allow the ownership of them but a good one will cost at least $25,000 Link because few were ever registered to civilians. On top of that, they eat so much ammo The rate of fire is at least 600 rounds per minute, or $450 per minute for the fun of - what?

The better alternative for the civilian is the AR-15 which is like an M16 but semi-auto, requiring a separate trigger pull for each bullet rather than going off like a machine gun when the trigger is pulled.

In all my life, even being a gun enthusiast and competitor, I've seen just 2 M16's in private hands. One was for rent at a firing range where under close supervision someone could blow a few hundred dollars on ammo in addition to the gun rental fee.

Yet they seem to be all over Thailand, as does the 5.56 NATO ammo for them.

Ever been to Cambodia?

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[Robby nz]

A good question is - where do these guys get the M16's??? They are sold by the US to the Thai military and should never see civilian hands.

In the US, some states allow the ownership of them but a good one will cost at least $25,000 Link because few were ever registered to civilians. On top of that, they eat so much ammo The rate of fire is at least 600 rounds per minute, or $450 per minute for the fun of - what?

The better alternative for the civilian is the AR-15 which is like an M16 but semi-auto, requiring a separate trigger pull for each bullet rather than going off like a machine gun when the trigger is pulled.

In all my life, even being a gun enthusiast and competitor, I've seen just 2 M16's in private hands. One was for rent at a firing range where under close supervision someone could blow a few hundred dollars on ammo in addition to the gun rental fee.

Yet they seem to be all over Thailand, as does the 5.56 NATO ammo for them.

They stole them from the army in 2010.

They even showed some of them on their stage.

Then you have Thaksins good friend and one time employer next door who I suspect would not be averse to making a Baht or few from supplying whatever was needed.

[Pikeybkk]

and with the senate stating that they want election reforms as well before and election...things are only going to get worse as the democrats and PDRC's power grab moves further along.

[chongtak]

Red shirts' "democracy" talks with M79 grenades.

[neverdie]

Again and again. New day, same s h I t.

Sadly, we can come again soon and say all this stuff over and over again.

[northernjohn]

The shinas are losing their grip. The red government is gradually being kicked out. The big bad guy in Dubai is not a good loser. He will try to cause destruction and havoc as revenge for sending off his puppet government. Last time there were bombs a bullets and burning buildings. He will try the same this time.

Just a couple of red shirts on their way home from a drunken night out.

Thought they would do some undercover work for Thaksin.

[pattayaorganic]

Smelling civil war.

When the judges are just puppets and the police not allowed to make its job => only violence remains.

Explain your police remark.

The rest is just cretinous

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I think he may be reffering to the fact that every time the police arrest one of the leaders of the insurrection, the courts just release them the next day.

Or he could be refferring to the areas of the Capital City where the police cannot go because of the armed guards that surround the few protesters.

If you think that stating that there is a possibility of civil was is cretinous, then you need to look to yourself.

I really enjoy your twists and spins as a way to enlighten my inner-self. So when a known terrorist burns down the centre of Bangkok and is allowed a cabinet seat in the government, that is OK with you? An area where police cannot go? Why would the police need to go to such a place where Thai citizens are exercising their democratic right to protest against a corrupt government?

But, but we can win elections...yeah by murdering and using mafia tactics against the opposition. Red villages. No democrats here in Issan...I personally know many farmers in the North who privately admit they are not happy with PTP and its policies but they are afraid to admit so as they would be shunned in society and perhaps even, threatened, intimidated and some are even assaulted. I give you the happy rice farmers that just suddenly quit protesting because they had an epiphany and realised that PTP was going to send the money "next week".

The REFORM needs to wipe the slate clean on both sides and take away the illegal intimidation and open vote buying (my in-laws are offered cash from PTP on almost every election of late, its an open secret). Rules and regulations need to be created and embraced on both sides and conditions must be set so that citizens and candidates feel safe to vote their heart and express their opinions without fear and intimidation. Only then can you claim any kind of support for "true democracy".

[Mr Yim]

Condolences to family and friends of those killed, I hope for speedy and full recovered for those injured and that those who carried out the attack are caught before they can commit more harm.

[northernjohn]

and with the senate stating that they want election reforms as well before and election...things are only going to get worse as the democrats and PDRC's power grab moves further along.

Not exactly sure what actions the Democrats are taking in the area of a power grab? Do you mean reform the government and put in election laws that will stop vote buying and intimidation? Not sure as I would see that as an attempt to seize power. More like an attempt to give power to the people.

The PTP is taking actions to hold on to power in spite of there complete and udder failure as a government.

Soon to have some criminal charges laid against them. Nothing new there. Fact is their leader has one conviction and about 15 other charges waiting for him when he steps foot on Thai soil.

[RJF]

The only one interested in violence right now is the gangster Suthep and he has no scruples of arranging this attack on his own people to further his cause while he is still trying to provoke a coup with violent attacks on his own people.

The other side would gain nothing with such an attack.

What a piece of stupidity.

The violence is against the protesters by others.

The only one, as I have said many times , that (thinks he) can benefit from a coup is your hero Thaksin he can then say his legally elected Govt was once again overthrown by the military, international sympathy.

The armed reds will then come out and give him the civil war he so dearly wants.

Revenge, then after the country is devastated he will return the hero and peace maker to unite the people make them prosperous and the country will be so grateful they will make him president for life.

What dreams that man must have, right now he is having a nightmare for PT is finished.

If you really believe what you have posted then please explain how a coup and the reds coming out against it could possibly benefit Suthep.

Stupidity?

Nah, I don't know who did this and I am not making any claims but it does seem PDRC has more to gain from chaos than the reds - all the reds have to do to regain power is simply wait for the next election. A coup will benefit the likes of Suthep, just like it did 8 years ago. The reds coming out against it is irrelevant. It was the army vs the reds in May 2010 and that lasted less than a day. To show my total impartiality in this matter, I think that action was called for btw. The reds were illegally occupying the streets of Bangkok (like the PDRC were earlier this year) and they had ample warning. They should have done the same with the PDRC. Yet the courts ruled CAPO was 'not to obstruct traffic lanes' when dealing with the protesters (who were blocking major intersections). What a joke.

Edited May 15, 2014 by RJF

[IamNoone88]

This fear mongering and intimidation by both sides is counter productice and will not lead to resolution. The result us that Thailand, noted for it hospitality and welcome is now perceived more and more as a place to avoid and not invest. Very sad all around.

[love1012]

Better take samples of the bomb residue and run it against all samples of past attacks, including the large stash of bomb making material found in Lumpini Park. We need to find the culprits before more people get hurt.

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But the people who should do that job are red shirts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These are innocent people sleeping in a tent unarmed.................and no one thinks its wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AleG]

The shinas are losing their grip. The red government is gradually being kicked out. The big bad guy in Dubai is not a good loser. He will try to cause destruction and havoc as revenge for sending off his puppet government. Last time there were bombs a bullets and burning buildings. He will try the same this time.

You're lost. Most inside sources link attacks to PDRC hired hands. Most evidence suggests the same. If you can read Thai, you will be able to understand it better.

Most evidence? What evidence? The only time men have been arrested over an attack with M-79 (at the NACC on May 28) it turned out to be, surprise surprise, Red Shirst. They had in their possesion grenades with the same lot numbers as those used against the PDRC in previous attacks. So again, what evidence of the PDRC shooting at themselves?

I would really like to see the moderation crack down in this kind of post and posters that continue to spread rumors like this, it's not only lies and misinformation, is the kind of BS used to justify and condone all sorts of atrocities and those that perpetrate them.

[love1012]

RIP to te victims.

It will continue to get worse over the next few months until we have elections.

rigged biased, tainted, one sided, democratless in the north, bullied, bribed one sided elections?

[Mango Bob]

It's a shame people have to died for Suthep arrogance. People want the right to vote for their leaders not have someone who has other motives select someone of their choice. We need elections first, then reforms, then new elections, nothing else will work.

Edited May 15, 2014 by Mango Bob

[AleG]

Better take samples of the bomb residue and run it against all samples of past attacks, including the large stash of bomb making material found in Lumpini Park. We need to find the culprits before more people get hurt.

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Indeed. As we have seen the yellows and their supporters are very capable of attacking their own and then alleging that redhirts are culpable. This tactic has been well used in the past.

Where have we seen the "yellows" attacking their own? Proof or retract.

This is what I was talking about in my previous post, some people tell their gospel of "the yellos attack their own", no evidence, no logic, no nothing, just make it up to remove any responsibility from the real culprits.

This fear mongering and intimidation by both sides is counter productice and will not lead to resolution. The result us that Thailand, noted for it hospitality and welcome is now perceived more and more as a place to avoid and not invest. Very sad all around.

Both sides don't shoot and bomb the other side like this, when was the last time a Red Shirt protest/march has been shot at or bombed?

[love1012]

The only one interested in violence right now is the gangster Suthep and he has no scruples of arranging this attack on his own people to further his cause while he is still trying to provoke a coup with violent attacks on his own people.

The other side would gain nothing with such an attack.

What a stupid, moronic idiotic garbage comment!!

[rebelplatoon]

Waiting for more comments. 'It wasn t the red militia until proven? Proven by whom? A bias police force? Taksin and Jatuporn have unleashed their militia. They are, once again, trying to use fear and hatred as an instrument.

A very sad day for Thailand, when a Government cannot recognize a stalemate when it has arrived. SIT DOWN and talk with the main opposition party and have an interim Government both ELECTED sides can agree upon. Change electoral laws and get on with that long awaited election.

Then Suthep s light will fade and the red s invocations of violence will fall on deaf ears. Both are NOT A PARTY.

[Nickymaster]

RIP to te victims.

It will continue to get worse over the next few months until we have elections.

Correction.

It will continue to get worse over the next few months if elections are forced to happen without much needed reform.

Edited May 15, 2014 by Nickymaster

[skorchio]

Smelling civil war.

When the judges are just puppets and the police not allowed to make its job => only violence remains.

Yes what you say is true, but I think it goes further. Corruption is so endemic in the major institutions that democracy cannot function. The only way the people have a voice is through protest and intimidation. Unfortunately there is a split in the population, and with no functioning democratic institutions that people have faith in, an election is just a further cause of division. The law is applied whimsically, and with no law the country could indeed descend into a state of civil unrest, if not actual war.

[Bkungbank]

Tarit keep issue arrest warrant on protesters but never try to protect them as these people are equal rights as Thai citizen have rights to request protection for own safety from enforcement officers.

[Nickymaster]

Unfortunately and I think we all agree that an escalation in the violence from both sides was pretty much inevitable .

I also think through all the robust poster over the last couple of months whether your a red or yellow supporter none of us wants to see any violence.

A lot of posters on here want the crisis over and done with but it seems all parties have reached a stalemate and it doesn't matter which way they jump it's only going to lead to more frustration for the side that misses out.

I think the EC should go ahead with the elections to relieve the pressure that's not only built up but is getting higher by the hour.

The acting PM and the leader of the democrats should at the very least come out and make a bipartisan statement calling for calm and condemning all violence on both sides .

Sutep should be treated as irrelevant as it looks like legally he is out of options except for the new speaker and if he takes suteps side then the violence will definitely escalate .

Elections now are not the solution. It will only increase violence at this stage. Reform is the solution.

[Bernard Flint]

Lets not talk about civil war. Such a thing is bad news for the people in the country who are both citizen's and expats....but at least the expats can leave.

Many people from both sides of the divide are talking about it as a real possibility. Unless one side or the other step back from the brink............

Both sides need to step back - not just one side

I think farangs need to be quiet too, or unrest also. If there was a civil war which farangs would do more than mouthing off on a forum.

[Nickymaster]

Tarit keep issue arrest warrant on protesters but never try to protect them as these people are equal rights as Thai citizen have rights to request protection for own safety from enforcement officers.

Tharit does as Chalerm/Thaksin say.

[TinoThailand]

The shinas are losing their grip. The red government is gradually being kicked out. The big bad guy in Dubai is not a good loser. He will try to cause destruction and havoc as revenge for sending off his puppet government. Last time there were bombs a bullets and burning buildings. He will try the same this time.

And now a real democracy will fallow? Dream on, they copy most likely US and EU. We have a Theocracy. Meaning they take decisions based on lobbyists that do business. Rich for the rich, war and hunger for the poor.

[Eric Loh]

Suterp must pull his people out of harm's way. He is safe

[Nickymaster]

It's a shame people have to died for Suthep arrogance. People want the right to vote for their leaders not have someone who has other motives select someone of their choice. We need elections first, then reforms, then new elections, not else will work.

People want the right to vote for their leaders

Yes!! let's vote for governors too. Oops, Chalerm has stated 2 weeks back that it would never happen.