Pakistan woman stoned by family outside Lahore court

[KarenBravo]

simple1 has answered your question. I can't put it any better.

[petermik]

How any father could stone his own daughter to death is beyond my comprehension. Unless you have the mind set that since she wasn't a son, she's inconsequential.

That,s what many of "them" think

[neverdie]

Irregardless of what causes this, religion or culture, it's barbaric & sickening.

What a horrendous way to die and at the hands of so called family......

[NoshowJones]

But this is from Muslim thinking. You know: "Islam, the religion peace".

If all what this report says is true, why is there so little condemnation of them? Why should we have to be careful about using the the M-word?

[Chicog]

Hundreds of women are murdered every year in India for ignoring the Caste system.

It's more about protecting the families wealth than anything, I mean it can't be about protecting their reputation unless they like the reputation of being spiteful idiots.

[NoshowJones]

It's nothing to do with religion. It's cultural.

So if these folk were devout Christians she still would have suffered the same fate..?...

As I recall, "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the biggies in the Christian religion.........

Why doesn't it happen in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Senegal etc.

It happens.

There is trouble everywhere the M-words/word, are/is.

[F430murci]

It's nothing to do with religion. It's cultural.

Religion defines culture.

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory and troll posts have been removed along with replies.

Stop baiting other posters into senseless arguments and stay on the topic.

[Credo]

It's nothing to do with religion. It's cultural.

Religion defines culture.

Actually it is the other way around. Culture defines religion. Many of the ideas in most religions were in existence long before the religion surfaces. The religious tenets simply gave credence to the practices.

For example, compare the similarities in dietary restrictions between the Jews and the Muslims. The Jewish religion existed long before the Muslim faith was around.

As has been noted, honor killings are a part of a culture, but they are often attributed to the religion.

[F430murci]

It's nothing to do with religion. It's cultural.

Religion defines culture.

Actually it is the other way around. Culture defines religion. Many of the ideas in most religions were in existence long before the religion surfaces. The religious tenets simply gave credence to the practices.

For example, compare the similarities in dietary restrictions between the Jews and the Muslims. The Jewish religion existed long before the Muslim faith was around.

As has been noted, honor killings are a part of a culture, but they are often attributed to the religion.

Okay cultural initially defined religion and then religion defines cultural. The two are inseparable. You can try and be cute and make intellectually dishonest arguments about chicken or the egg or the root cause, but one need only apply common sense to understand how the two are inseparable as to this issue.

These people suck, have a bent moral compass and it is sickening that women are viewed and treated in such a fashion. What a horrible way to die.

Edited May 28, 2014 by F430murci

[sotsira]

The BBC ought to also highlight the fact that in the UK alone there are around a dozen 'honour murders' a year.

I bought a house in Banbury in 2001, and found out that a young girl there was abducted from that very house 2 years prior and taken to Leicester by her cousins and brothers, she was then stabbed to death multiple times by the very same family members for having a 'relationship' with an English local.

The problem in the UK is that the family members and local muslim community refuse to testify against these murders and the majority of these crimes go unpunished.

It is also noteworthy to mention the left and center left political parties never seem to want to come down hard on these 'islamic traditions' because they are far too worried about 'their votes'..... Eh Mr Blair and Mr Clegg????

Yes, whatever country these muslim ideologists settle in they bring with them their barbaric ways,

if they could get away with stoning women in public in the UK, they would do so.

[Phoenix1312]

Disgusting behaviour. What is wrong with these people.

[boomerangutang]

Why doesn't it happen in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Senegal etc.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/turkey-muslim-son-honor-murders-mother-for-seeking-divorce-over-domestic-violence

one of the letters in response: from Steffen Larsen: "Some years ago the high incidence of honor murders had become an embarrassment, particularly in the eastern and more backward areas of Turkey. Tougher measures and sentences were promised."

One of many reasons Muslims are so eager to beat and hurt others: The Prophet said: Command your children to pray when they reach the age of seven and hit them if they if they do not do so by the age of ten'

[oneday]

Filthy barbarians.

It will take 1000 more years before these scum become even partly civilized.

[cocopops]

How any father could stone his own daughter to death is beyond my comprehension. Unless you have the mind set that since she wasn't a son, she's inconsequential.

By believing the creator of the universe ordered him to, and that by doing so he is helping to bring paradise to Earth.

If we, for whatever reason, choose to believe a different set of facts about the universe, then our actions will seem incomprehensible to others. That's why, despite our reluctance to do so, it is time to admit that this is a religious problem. Because this murderous father probably did this out of piety - an honest attempt to do what he felt was right. He is incorrect, of course, but that's what his religion told him and he believed it.

The key point is that it is the beliefs that matter. Believe what these people believe, and stoning ones daughter to death becomes acceptable under some circumstances. Believe what they believe, and flying an airplane into a building becomes a wise and heroic act. What would you do if you thought you could earn yourself and your family a free ticket to heaven? Perhaps a better question is what would you not do?

It's not easy, but spare a thought for the father as well. Who among us would choose to be born into a world where the best ethical guidance available advises us to murder family members to save face?

Apologists will point to the many, many, Islamic people who don't do things like this. And who, occasionally, if asked directly, will even condemn such actions up to a point. "Well, no! *I* wouldn't kill an apostate. Not these days...". But they will loudly proclaim the Koran and Hadith to be perfect in all senses and even pay to have this message spread around the world. Then, when some young fellow picks the books up and actually takes them seriously as they are written - well, then we're back to honor killings and terrorism.

At some point common sense and a real system of morality aimed at maximizing happiness must replace religious faith. It's the only way.

Edited May 28, 2014 by cocopops

[F430murci]

Any dude stoning a women and throwing acid on a women out of jealousy or for honor should have his little penis slapped between to small bricks and and then soaked in acid. Punishment fits crime and could be decent detergent value. Besides, do we really want morons like these procreating and spreading their gene pool any further into the world?

[transam]

Any dude stoning a women and throwing acid on a women out of jealousy or for honor should have his little penis slapped between to small bricks and and then soaked in acid. Punishment fits crime and could be decent detergent value. Besides, do we really want morons like these procreating and spreading their gene pool any further into the world?

They are working on it.....................

[F430murci]

Filthy barbarians.

It will take 1000 more years before these scum become even partly civilized.

Actually, that train has left the building, but the train is in reverse. These morons will be more moronic and engage more savagery in a 1,000 years.

[Suradit69]

If you tried explaining that to intelligent aliens from another planet, they'd say, "Yea right. That can't be true. No species kills its own for such ridiculous reasons. No species can be so cruel."

While I agree with your sentiments, the problem is not confined to horrific headline events like this. The fact remains that most homicides worldwide are committed by people "near & dear" to the victim. Shooting or poisoning a family member or acquaintance certainly sounds less spectacular than this incident, but the end result is still the same and the logic behind the murders rarely would be considered sane by intelligent aliens or the rest of us.

In Canada:

Over the past 10 years, police identified just over 1,500 homicides committed by family members, accounting for about one-third (35%) of all solved 1 homicides (Table 4.1). The rate of family-related homicides has ranged from 4 to 6 victims per million population over this period.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/2010000/part-partie4-eng.htm

In the US:

A survey of murder cases disposed

in 1988 in the courts of large urban

counties indicated that 16% of murder

victims were members of the defendant's

family. The remainder were murdered by

friends or acquaintances (64%) or by

strangers (20%). These findings are drawn

from a representative sample survey of

State and county prosecutors' records.

The survey covered disposed charges

against nearly 10,000 murder defendants,

whose murder cases accounted for over

8,000 victims.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mf.pdf

[Equalizer]

SDRAWKCAB Read that backwards.

[EyesWideOpen]

These people have an atomic bomb???? Hmmmmm....

[sustento]

Honor killings are also committed by both Sikhs and Hindus in India.

[monkeycountry]

It's nothing to do with religion. It's cultural.

So if these folk were devout Christians she still would have suffered the same fate..?...

As I recall, "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the biggies in the Christian religion.........

Why doesn't it happen in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Senegal etc.

It does, google is your friend. It happens in pretty much every country with muslims, some more than others though. It may be their culture, but their culture is formed by Islam, which teaches them from childhood that Islam is more important than any individual - or anything else for that matter, so people can be sacrificed in the name of Islam.

[monkeycountry]

It's nothing to do with religion. It's cultural.

It's a mixture of both.

No it's not.

There is no mention of honour killing in the Quran or Hadiths. Honour killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against a woman, and is forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Religious authorities disagree with extra punishments such as honour killing and prohibit it, so the practice of it is a cultural and not a religious issue. However, since Islam has influence over vast numbers of Muslims in many countries and from many cultures, some use Islam to justify honour killing even though there is no support for honour killing in Islam.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/hk-ch/p3.html

The problem with the Quran (or Hadiths) is that it must be the worst written book in the world. When so many people in the world manage to misinterpret it, don't you think it is time for a rewrite? Every time a muslim does something bad, the argument is, "oh, but he just misunderstood the Quran, the Quran does not blablabla". If a rewrite is not possible, then perhaps insert an extra page in front of the book which says "Whatever you read in this book, do not let it be the basis of every single decision in your life - only an idiot would do that!"

[wwest5829]

My apologies but here we go. American bashes, have at it.

As an American I soundly denounce such actions, where ever in the world. Now those of you who feel it is not "U.S.A.'s business" understand, I vehemently disagree whith you. Again, I fully understand that we Americans have made terrible and indefensible mistakes previously and, no doubt, will do so in the future (hopefully few). But it is my business as an American to have an opinion and to press my government to take appropriate action against such abuses. Fully understanding that there are things in my own society needing "fixing" does not diminish my wanting basic human rights for all, whether American or not. So, am I pushing American standards on others or do we have a general acceptance that all humans have some basic rights which should not be abused by any human society?

[tubby johnson]

Stone Age Culture, brought to you by the religion of peace.

[klauskunkel]

Stuck in the stone age mentality: culturally, economically, socially, politically and theologically - no wonder, since there is nothing but stones in that country. Walk out the door: stones, as far as the eye can see, stones. You grow up with stones and you know nothing else but never-ending stones. The west supports the stoners in Stonistan financially, so they don't throw their stones in our direction, while their Muslim brothers in other countries say nothing...why? Because they have camels, nothing but camels in those other countries...and sand, lot's of sand... and an occasional goat - so they are too busy to say something about their stone throwing brothers. Yep, that's all I have to say about that.

This is one culture that begs to be extinct.

[DoctorB]

It's nothing to do with religion. It's cultural.

So if these folk were devout Christians she still would have suffered the same fate..?...

As I recall, "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the biggies in the Christian religion.........

Why doesn't it happen in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Senegal etc.

Who told you that? It certainly happens here in the UK, along with female genital mutilation.

The police won't intervene; "it's their culture, innit!" and must therefore be respected as part of the joys of multiculturalism.

[Crossy]

An offensive post removed, let's keep it civil, a young woman is dead.

[Arif Khalil]

So sad... people of this small village in Faisalabad do follow their castes when it comes to marriage despite being Muslims. The boy who could escape was not their target as he was inferior to their caste. The family was outrageous due to their pride was undermined by their own child who build relationship to an out of family inferior caste man. Their expectation from this girl was so high without teaching her their 'family norms' properly and she was expected to understand and respect the will and honor of this poor family most of whose members would be behind bars for life.

Her husband didn't teach her how to runaway and might be reconnecting to other GFs...