Group demands death for rape-murder

[Lite Beer]

Group demands death for rape-murder
The Sunday Nation

A group of women gather outside the Paragon shopping mall in downtown Bangkok yesterday to call for mandatory death sentences for convicted rapists.

BANGKOK: -- A SMALL group of protesters, mostly women, rallied outside Siam Paragon mall in downtown Bangkok yesterday to call for mandatory death terms for men convicted of rape and murder.

Salita Phongsawas, who set up a Facebook page to garner support for the push, said leniency or commutation for the confession of a sex offender should not be granted.

She also believes people who actively assist in the carrying out of the crime, or those who did nothing to stop it, should face the same sentence as the perpetrator of the offence.

The outcry follows the recent rape and murder of a 13-year-old girl on an overnight train to Bangkok.

A 22-year-old State Railway of Thailand bed-preparer confessed to the crime, while a 19-year-old official has been charged with aiding his colleague.

Initially, there were calls on the Internet for people found guilty of rape and murder to be sentenced to death, but that was later extended to rape alone.

Salita said she had gathered more than 30,000 signatures from people who support this call.

She requires 50,000 before she can hand a petition to the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) through former beauty queen Panadda Wongphudee, who has been vocal in supporting the call.

Yesterday's protesters, who were dressed in black, gathered briefly outside the shopping centre. A large number of police were deployed in anticipation of the gathering being bigger.

Siam Paragon did not permit the group to gather outside the venue, so the protesters later walking round nearby Siam Square and other areas gathering signatures.

The group said the petition would be handed to the NCPO at the Army Club yesterday afternoon, and volunteers from the group would launch an awareness campaign at schools in Bangkok starting next month.

Meanwhile, Institute of Forensic Medicine commander Pol Maj-General Dr Pornchai Suteerakune said the post-mortem results on the girl linked DNA found on the body to alleged killer Wanchai Saengkhao.

Pornchai said the victim's blood was also found on Wanchai's underwear.

The results were handed to Pran Buri police investigators in Prachuap Khiri Khan.

Police are compiling an extensive report on the case and have a July 15 deadline, at which time public prosecutors will indict the offenders and they will face and immediate trial.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Group-demands-death-for-rape-murder-30238366.html

-- The Nation 2014-07-13

[kurnell]

Gimme the petition. I'll sign

[EricBerg]

There's no black and white in real life. There always will be people wrongfully convicted. Accusations of rape or abuse of children are used in relationships going bad too. Locking up people is way much safer than killing them. Safer for protecting society against wrongfull killings. The worst any society can do.

[londonthai]

There is a moratorium on death penalty for many years now and it's not going to be changed soon, so this call is a little meaningless. A small group of citisens/netisens doesn't have the right to change the law. And with the lack of parliamentary vote there is a small chance that the army would be willing to meddle that far outside their competence.

With the very short deadline to prosecute the case will not be prepared properly and it's bound to be a showcase trial for the junta, to please the public

Edited July 13, 2014 by londonthai

[i claudius]

If he did it ,i have no problem with that.

[Travel Dude]

This rape and murder is a horrible act. The perpetrator deserves the strongest punishment. But I am against the death sentence as are most western countries. The issue with death sentence is that you will never avoid having wrongly accused and wrongly sentenced suspects.

In addition, before going straight to death I believe Thailand can do MUCH more to reduce the number of rapes, starting with a change in education, gender inequality, depiction of rape, TV shows showing violence towards woman and children. A lot can be done to change the view of society towards rape which now seems to be kind of accepted. How many Thai girls have list their virginity without consent???

Let's start where we should start....

[Cloggie]

There's no black and white in real life. There always will be people wrongfully convicted. Accusations of rape or abuse of children are used in relationships going bad too. Locking up people is way much safer than killing them. Safer for protecting society against wrongfull killings. The worst any society can do.

I think we do not have to worry about this guy - he is 1000% guilty!

[UbonRatch]

"Pornchai said the victim's blood was also found on Wanchai's underwear."

Too much information, thanks. Keep it for the courts. Typical Thai insensitivity, trying to gain a few brownie points...

[Zeegator]

"Pornchai said the victim's blood was also found on Wanchai's underwear."

Too much information, thanks. Keep it for the courts. Typical Thai insensitivity, trying to gain a few brownie points...

What's insensitive about that? It's evidence and would be reported anyway when brought up in court.

[tomyummer]

Take a page out of Singapore's law book. Know there are deathly consequences for your violent actions, period.

Rape but no murder, rape and murder, under age, of age, with intent, accidental death... No if's, and's, or but's. You do the crime at any degree, you die.

Edited July 13, 2014 by tomyummer

[Thai at Heart]

Mandatory death for rape?

Now we are coming into silly season. Do they even have mandatory death for murder?

[TommyHellsten]

Cut his <deleted>... Balls off, and let him live with what he done behind bars, with a lot of picture of young lady's!

He don't live so long tame in the monkey house anyway. Death is too easy.lol

[gcdhar]

Very good activity. I support it. A rapist shouldn't live in our society. RAPIST SHOULD DIE.

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[johnlandy]

Gimme the petition. I'll sign

Where is it? Give me that pen!

[Maseratimartin]

There is no punishment hard enough for such crime...but death of the criminal the least that should be done! Such animals have no right to exist and even get a second chance to do it again!

[h90]

There's no black and white in real life. There always will be people wrongfully convicted. Accusations of rape or abuse of children are used in relationships going bad too. Locking up people is way much safer than killing them. Safer for protecting society against wrongfull killings. The worst any society can do.

I think we do not have to worry about this guy - he is 1000% guilty!

He also raped others and confessed it....The others are alive and can be asked......They didn't report him, so there is no risk that they spin a story.

I am no friend of killing people, but this is a rare case where I can agree.

[lvr181]

"Pornchai said the victim's blood was also found on Wanchai's underwear."

Too much information, thanks. Keep it for the courts. Typical Thai insensitivity, trying to gain a few brownie points...

A fact is a fact is a fact, like it or not. I guess there are many ostriches who do not want to acknowledge the truth however unpalatable.

[Local Drunk]

Saturday and Sunday classes were asked, "Should the crime of rape constitute the death penalty?"

Rape and murder... Yes

Rape of a child ...Yes

Serial rapist... Yes

Violent rape... Very long prison sentence. 15 years minimum

Date rape... ambiguous answers

Spousal rape ... ambiguous answers

Underage rapists... (read as the eight boys that tried to rape a class mate last week) Send them to jail for a year with their parents was the response after a bit of haggling.

The question was then asked... "Would you personally execute the train rapist?" They all said yes.

These are university students and professionals, but they were all very certain and quite adamant in their opinions regarding certain types of rape, and less willing to point the finger on others on other types.

[tomyummer]

Saturday and Sunday classes were asked, "Should the crime of rape constitute the death penalty?"

Rape and murder... Yes

Rape of a child ...Yes

Serial rapist... Yes

Violent rape... Very long prison sentence. 15 years minimum

Date rape... ambiguous answers

Spousal rape ... ambiguous answers

Underage rapists... (read as the eight boys that tried to rape a class mate last week) Send them to jail for a year with their parents was the response after a bit of haggling.

The question was then asked... "Would you personally execute the train rapist?" They all said yes.

These are university students and professionals, but they were all very certain and quite adamant in their opinions regarding certain types of rape, and less willing to point the finger on others on other types.

Define 'violent rape' versus regular rape. Does the perp say 'thank you' or something?

[gemguy]

Saturday and Sunday classes were asked, "Should the crime of rape constitute the death penalty?"

Rape and murder... Yes

Rape of a child ...Yes

Serial rapist... Yes

Violent rape... Very long prison sentence. 15 years minimum

Date rape... ambiguous answers

Spousal rape ... ambiguous answers

Underage rapists... (read as the eight boys that tried to rape a class mate last week) Send them to jail for a year with their parents was the response after a bit of haggling.

The question was then asked... "Would you personally execute the train rapist?" They all said yes.

These are university students and professionals, but they were all very certain and quite adamant in their opinions regarding certain types of rape, and less willing to point the finger on others on other types.

Define 'violent rape' versus regular rape. Does the perp say 'thank you' or something?

Look up the various classifications of rape and you will have your answer.

[tomyummer]

Saturday and Sunday classes were asked, "Should the crime of rape constitute the death penalty?"

Rape and murder... Yes

Rape of a child ...Yes

Serial rapist... Yes

Violent rape... Very long prison sentence. 15 years minimum

Date rape... ambiguous answers

Spousal rape ... ambiguous answers

Underage rapists... (read as the eight boys that tried to rape a class mate last week) Send them to jail for a year with their parents was the response after a bit of haggling.

The question was then asked... "Would you personally execute the train rapist?" They all said yes.

These are university students and professionals, but they were all very certain and quite adamant in their opinions regarding certain types of rape, and less willing to point the finger on others on other types.

Define 'violent rape' versus regular rape. Does the perp say 'thank you' or something?

Look up the various classifications of rape and you will have your answer.

Actually just did. Couldn't find 'violent rape'. Here is what wikipedia had: date rape, gang rape, marital rape, incestual rape, child sexual abuse, prison rape, acquaintance rape, war rape and statutory rape.

I do know that rape is considered a violent sexual crime though.

[Emster23]

All rape is violent by definition. One thing I like is that most of the signs they were holding are in Thai script. These people aren't playing to foreign press by holding signs in English (something I keep an eye open for...). The overwhelming amount of evidence in this case makes it even more sure than OJ Simpsons murder of his ex.

[Chris Lawrence]

Sounds as though the Junta wants this movement to grow?

[Carl64]

There's no black and white in real life. There always will be people wrongfully convicted. Accusations of rape or abuse of children are used in relationships going bad too. Locking up people is way much safer than killing them. Safer for protecting society against wrongfull killings. The worst any society can do.

So what shade of black, white or grey is a confession?

[dieter1]

consequence of death sentences for rapists:

more offenders will kill the victim, to have not witness alive, cause the sentence will be the same!

great result!

asking for harder sentences after one spectacular crime is a strategy for the simple minded !

We needed hundred of years to get more human sentences, to reach a less brutal society, and this includes less brutal sentences!

Having more brutal (harder) sentences does not prevent crimes. It is just not helpful.

There is nearly no prevention of crimes with harder sentences. It is mostly an argument, politician misuse to get voters (populist strategy). No Prove from science.

People learn mostly from experience in childhood, mostly by model learning, learning from how other people are acting. If children experience violence in their childhood, its leads - with most probability - to using violence by themselves when they get older.

What kind of laws (formal laws) in a society exist, is of minor importance. The behaviour of people in a society is not be influenced by the law (only with a little degree)The direction is the opposite way: The laws are the reflection (!)of the values and the normal behaviour within a society.

Politicians are always manipulating the opinion of the voters wrongly. "We can make better laws to improve the society (having less crime etc..) Mostly this is absolute bullshit. They pretend, that making laws is that important, cause it is their man job (overestimation of one's own capabilities).

Sorry, but, to tribute something positive to a society, it needs more then asking for the killing of people (calling for mandatory death sentences ).

Helping to improve a society is way more difficult! The one, who starts with asking for the killing of other people are not helpful. Mostly , these people are dangerous for the society.

If these arguments seems to be too sophisticated to you, you should at least understand, that you should better avoid to interfere in these kind of subjects! Leave it to people, who are capable and willing to use more effort to decide in these affairs.

Edited July 13, 2014 by dieter1

[Krataiboy]

There's no black and white in real life. There always will be people wrongfully convicted. Accusations of rape or abuse of children are used in relationships going bad too. Locking up people is way much safer than killing them. Safer for protecting society against wrongfull killings. The worst any society can do.

I think we do not have to worry about this guy - he is 1000% guilty!

You can't possibly know that unless you were on the train watching the incident. In which case that would make you an accessory and liable for the death sentence, too.

[socksy01]

There's no black and white in real life. There always will be people wrongfully convicted. Accusations of rape or abuse of children are used in relationships going bad too. Locking up people is way much safer than killing them. Safer for protecting society against wrongfull killings. The worst any society can do.

I think we do not have to worry about this guy - he is 1000% guilty!

DNA confirmed

[Jonmarleesco]

Seemingly they view rape as more serious than murder. There are, however, a number of problems with their demands, apart from rape vs murder, and all based on factual incidents:

• Not for the first, time, a woman, for any number of reasons, has blatantly lied about being raped, or has, deliberately or otherwise, misidentified her assailant - something more difficult to do for a murder victim.
• Individuals looking for infamy, claim guilt for a violent crime.
• The police, looking for a result - any result - obtain a 'confession', which is later retracted, or not.
• Evidence is suppressed, or diluted.

I'm no liberal do-gooder. Far from it. I can think of the proven perpetrators of far too many violent crimes who should have gone to the gallows, or the equivalent. But proven is the operative word. And the innocent have been executed before. For them, a posthumous pardon is too little, too late.

Yes, introduce capital punishment for the worst crimes. But be sure the punishment really does fit the crime. And be sure the crime really does fit the accused.

Better yet, with imprisonment, ensure life means life. UK, take note.

[desmondspencer]

All rape is violent by definition. One thing I like is that most of the signs they were holding are in Thai script. These people aren't playing to foreign press by holding signs in English (something I keep an eye open for...). The overwhelming amount of evidence in this case makes it even more sure than OJ Simpsons murder of his ex.

Classic..

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

Death penalty? Sure!

Where's the pen?

On second thoughts, I have been in one too many situations where if a woman were to cry rape.. I would be screwed (pun inteneded)

Would that also make me a rapist?

I am not a supporter of feeding hardened convicts with tax dollars..

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Edited July 23, 2014 by desmondspencer