NACC to launch publicity campaign on corruption problem

[ginjag]

This is preposterous. It's a roadmap for the crooks to cover their tracks. They should start hauling off Thai Mr. Bigs in handcuffs in front of TV cameras. That's the only wake up call that any Thai would take seriously. This "event" and exhibition is a joke with the "pickup truck" painted over.

How many handcuffs do you have ??? how many Mr. and Mrs. bigs in the last 3 years of non government ??? Did PTP do anything to stop corruption after their BIG TV-news-photo ops campaign ??? any answers to that mate. It's not just PTP but it had the last 3 years to make inroads, now all this anti army stuff to cloud over the Yingluck disaster.

[chainarong]

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Depending on how it was translated the discussion title isnt the most ideal.

" It is enough for corruption " is way off the mark as it's never enough for corruption.

Have they a fraud squad in this cowboy outfit NKK

[ginjag]

It's easy to get the masses to clamour for a crackdown on corruption. We can all see the injustice, the inefficiency and the problems it causes.

But one must be very careful....

Low level corruption diffuses and disempowers high level corruption. Take away low level corruption and high level corruption (often legal, but not lawful) can operate with impunity and greater efficiency.

Thailand is a signatory to the UN Charter of Human Rights, UCC, versions of Napoleonic Law and several others. These principles of real law - not just rules and regulations with the force of law (not law), and are often in breach of law, need to be addressed. There can be no inconsistencies.

If one is going to authentically reduce corruption, then one must start with treaties and rule of law. Authorities the world over generally don't want to do this. It encroaches on their illegitimate primacy. One set of rules for the elite and another for the rest.

Crackdowns on corruption might look good - but all too often they merely consolidate and augment a more pervasive corruption.

So perhaps before we cheer too loudly at the exposure of an under paid cop grafting 100 baht - we should consider how basic human rights, protected by treaties and the highest laws of the land, for so many people are routinely eviscerated. Addressing this would signify an authentic attempt to create a more just, orderly and fair society. A genuine crackdown on corruption and not some populist dog and pony show.

Police pay----no moves on this please until the force is clean.

Police policy---family/ friends etc are enrolled, + any person suitable for brainwashing and willing to pay a large amount to enroll.

By paying into this system it is then a lucrative job as the rewards easily obtained from the Thai public are terrific.

Police personnel--cars-houses-etc shows the wages do not add up to the assets.

Just an example, money collected / tickets given forwarded to the treasury ?? accounts and stubs checked ??

If the road checks were in order to stop accidents why so many ???

If a m/cycle is stopped -not hat and fined ticket given they are allowed to go on their way when the fine is paid---JOKE.

Hope the new head of police appointed is making inroads into this ???

[Christie Paul]

I think its one of the most interesting topics and least understood.

Singapore is case in point. It was once considered a very corrupt little country. And then it got all cleaned up. Now it has held as a model of an orderly society, relatively free of corruption.

Singapore is now a society in which one family, owns everything of any material or political value. And this it seems is something to aspire to.

Singapore jails offenders, Thailand, doesn't.

When Lee Kuan Yew is jailed for murder.

When his sister and owner/controller of Tamasek Holdings (you name it they own it) is imprisoned for corruption.

And when his son the current Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong is charged with running protection rackets and gangsterism.

Then I think it might be a good idea to compare the two countries.

[NongKhaiKid]

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Depending on how it was translated the discussion title isnt the most ideal.

" It is enough for corruption " is way off the mark as it's never enough for corruption.

Have they a fraud squad in this cowboy outfit NKK

The whole outfit is a fraud

[NongKhaiKid]

So they are having a kickoff meeting in Bangkok, going to have a corruption museum in Bangkok, and drive a pickup truck with anti-corruption logos on it around Bangkok. Pretty lame start to attack corruption throughout Thailand. Sounds more like lip service.

They need to be blasting public service announcements/commercials over all the TV and radio channels (country-wide)...about every 30 minutes 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week for at least a year for starters.

There's never been a Thai I know who, from every single walk of life, who is NOT already well aware of how things get done here. This is simply a lame attempt at 'look, we're doing something about it'. Pathetic.

Spot on and just the same as the road safety and other ' don't do it ' campaigns.

[dipakm]

No need to do anything just catch local police officers .

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[spidermike007]

They can start by doing a nationwide search for clean prosecutors and judges. Once they are found, all these cases should go through their courts. Start instituting massive fines for corruption. 10, 20, 30 million baht fines, that the individual and the entire immediate family is responsible for paying, with no chance of escape from these fines, for the rest of their lives. This way, the family is haunted by the misdeeds of the father, or husband who perpetrated them. Next, start handing down massive sentencing. 10, 20, or even 30 years in prison, where they guys will be the girlfriend #1, of the local gangbanger they will come to know, in more ways than one. All of this will go a long way toward ridding this country of the vermin that has been sucking it's blood for decades. Real, meaningful change could be taking place. But, it needs to be addressed at the judicial level also. The word will get around, and these public officials who have been behaving like mafia punks may have to re-evaluate their personal franchises.

[Christie Paul]

They can start by doing a nationwide search for clean prosecutors and judges. Once they are found, all these cases should go through their courts. Start instituting massive fines for corruption. 10, 20, 30 million baht fines, that the individual and the entire immediate family is responsible for paying, with no chance of escape from these fines, for the rest of their lives. This way, the family is haunted by the misdeeds of the father, or husband who perpetrated them. Next, start handing down massive sentencing. 10, 20, or even 30 years in prison, where they guys will be the girlfriend #1, of the local gangbanger they will come to know, in more ways than one. All of this will go a long way toward ridding this country of the vermin that has been sucking it's blood for decades. Real, meaningful change could be taking place. But, it needs to be addressed at the judicial level also. The word will get around, and these public officials who have been behaving like mafia punks may have to re-evaluate their personal franchises.

Clean prosecutors and judges to enforce barbarism and breaches of every lawful principle pre and post Magna Carta - that'll work.

[klauskunkel]

Build a National Corruption Museum, with life-size wax effigies of famous corruptors in scenes where they were caught red-handed. A special section dedicated to the BiB, with quotes from famous politicians sanctioning corruption as being part of Thainess. Exhibitions of bribe coercing, taking and spending with a thorough explanation of effects on Thai people and culture. Roadshows to bring the museum to all parts of the country and, lastly, mandatory fieldtrips for school kids as part of their graduation.

Dream on

Edited August 16, 2014 by klauskunkel

[tonypace02]

Why educate the public? Anyone who accuses another Thai of corruption will be fined, sued, and sent to prison for defamation whether the accusation bears merit or not. So long as that statute continues to exist, there can be no social or political progress in Thailand. Also, to fight economic corruption, an antitrust law must be enacted. For example, it is illegal to sell grass seed because it would compete with a very monpolized and very low quality sod industry.

[SiggiCM]

does it show the priority placed on corruption when the activities to combat it are restricted to a bit of Bangkok?

Don't forget Phuket where they've been destroying illegal beach side businesses and buildings like crazy, and tearing down illegal tuktuk stands.

Corruption has been widespread and a part of Thai culture for decades. They aren't going to be able to end it overnight, but it is clear they are trying to clean up the worst of it. Whether they have the resources and determination to see it through remains another matter, and only time will tell.

you cant clean up corruption if people are not educated, and for sure thai peoipel are not educated like we know, so they will never understand that corruption is something bad. Peopel who cant think logical and not able to solve problems by themselve, who never teached to ask questions, will never understand why corruption is bad.

Even foreigners with university use corruption if they can use and have an advantage, so how non educated thais can change this?

[janpharma]

Try to put it in a tv show (tv = television). Make it digestable for the people and broadcast it in prime time. Put up a website with the contents and backlink it all over the place. Thus reach more people. There's more effective education.

If the tv show was in the form of a soap opera there would be a guaranteed audience.

I you want the max attention...try "cartoon"...

[train2bangkok]

Quite confused.

The massage parlours on Ratchada are still operating. Cowboy and Nana still in business.

Needless to say prostitution is illegal in Thailand, so some level of (rampant??) corruption must be operating in order for this to be happening.

Land of Smoke & Mirrors. Corruption never dies.

[belg]

education about corruption, might be seen as training overhere

how to be corrupt & become rich

[ttthailand]

Corruption helps those who want to break laws and those in power to enforce laws profit by Looking the other way. If all laws are enforced and those who must enforce are held accountable then the cycle can be broken. We now see this exact thing going on in Phuket and in some other areas.

If a law is not going to be enforced it should be removed from the books.

It is difficult but not impossible to demand money from someone who is doing everything according to the law.

It is a good start and only time will tell.

Edited August 16, 2014 by ttthailand

[Jip66]

I have always thought including subtle education in the soaps to be the best way to get across social messages. It was tried in the 90s, intentional or not, with a series called Sarawat Yai, about an honest cop but it was taken off the air after only a couple of episodes.

There's so many facetious comments that could be made but I'm interested to know if you can remember if any reason was given as to why the show was dropped so quickly.

Because the show contain 'an honest cop', not really a reality in Thailand, more on the side of fiction ;-)

[razer]

A panel discussion … A museum … a pickup truck painted with anti-corruption messages driving around BKK

No. This is not a publicity campaign on corruption … it is AVOIDANCE OF THE CORRUPTION ISSUE.

Want to educate the public in Bangkok and the rest of Thailand? Public services messages on TV … ON TV. Not on a pick-up truck, not in a museum ...

Stories like this insults one's intelligence.

Edited August 16, 2014 by razer

[Christie Paul]

Authentic education of the masses would be a disaster for authorities the world over.

[media]

NCPO is doing a fantastic job so far! keep it up

Singapore used to be terribly corrupt and now they are one of the least corrupt, So the concept of fixing a corrupt nation has been proven possible.

[rubl]

This all rings a bit hollow after seeing the military put all their cronies in charge of state enterprises and the NLA. Who's checking them, and with censored media how will we know if they are corrupt or not?

Nice to hear, but amounts to nothing more than window dressing.

All those negative waves, think positive man. See this as a first step.

Of course with all the window dressing the Yingluck government put in place ("we take special care of corruption") you might be justified in your fears if we had the usual politicians taking care again.

[rubl]

The reason why you never see a Thai tv show that has corrupt cops, politicians, or military is that they are not allowed to broadcast shows with that content. It's strictly censored.

Always has been that way, but the anti army clan believe it is the army only that gags the media. Thaksin did it more than this army----sure I was here, you could not read English printed news here with anything that was anti Thaksin, some posters are not interested in that that has not to be mentioned.

"Thaksin did it more than the army" Another example of the falsehoods and utter nonsense upon which you futilely try to build arguments.

Thaksin pulled advertising contracts from media outlets that criticised him, raising the ire of Sonthi L and the like, but he did not censor the media outright like the bunch who are in power now. Nor did he outlaw criticism in the way that we see now.

After all, we still got to read about Thaksin's wrongdoings while he was in power. I know I did. Quite unlike military governments in the past, where people only got to read about their wrongdoings after they had left office.

But then again, you refuse to read history.

Keep watching the happy channel.

Totally agree, Thaksin pulling advertising contracts from media outlets critisizing him is just normal. Ask Silvio B. Totally normal for a PM to instruct such, totally democratic.

An very correct to remark about being able to critisize Thaksin while he was in office. Ask the BangkokPost fellow who got sacked for reporting on 'minor' cracks in a new runway.

In the mean time we'll follow the NACC activities on anti-corruption.

[mikemac]

Try to put it in a tv show (tv = television). Make it digestable for the people and broadcast it in prime time. Put up a website with the contents and backlink it all over the place. Thus reach more people. There's more effective education.

If the tv show was in the form of a soap opera there would be a guaranteed audience.

My wife would watch it !

[MobileContent]

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NCPO is doing a fantastic job so far! keep it up

Singapore used to be terribly corrupt and now they are one of the least corrupt, So the concept of fixing a corrupt nation has been proven possible.

Would you mind sharing the years when the Republic of Singapore was very corrupt? I have been visiting Singapore since the Middle of the 80's and I never saw or noted once that Singapore is as corrupt as Thailand.

[mikemac]

The reason why you never see a Thai tv show that has corrupt cops, politicians, or military is that they are not allowed to broadcast shows with that content. It's strictly censored.

Always has been that way, but the anti army clan believe it is the army only that gags the media. Thaksin did it more than this army----sure I was here, you could not read English printed news here with anything that was anti Thaksin, some posters are not interested in that that has not to be mentioned.

"Thaksin did it more than the army" Another example of the falsehoods and utter nonsense upon which you futilely try to build arguments.

Thaksin pulled advertising contracts from media outlets that criticised him, raising the ire of Sonthi L and the like, but he did not censor the media outright like the bunch who are in power now. Nor did he outlaw criticism in the way that we see now.

After all, we still got to read about Thaksin's wrongdoings while he was in power. I know I did. Quite unlike military governments in the past, where people only got to read about their wrongdoings after they had left office.

But then again, you refuse to read history.

Keep watching the happy channel.

You keep telling yourself that fella, if it makes you feel good.

Edited August 16, 2014 by mikemac

[DekDaeng]

How about they just give a reward for filming or cctv of people coming to collect money, or taking money, or anything else....that would work and they wouldn't need a museum to showcase it.

About 120 million baht per year, say 10 million per month, to be divided amongst the whistleblowers, pro rata on relevance of evidence - should make a dent in it.

[Krataiboy]

. . . anyone who wants to know anything about corruption can come to the museum or visit its website.

Or just drop into Thailand any time for a living lesson.

[FangFerang]

This is a waste of time -- let's have a society parade, and give out balloons, and hand out fliers. Let's raise awareness, because Thais have no idea there is corruption here! Yeah, right.

It's a non-starter on purpose.

Someone asked "What can we do to seem like we are doing something?" The answer was this.

[FangFerang]

The reason why you never see a Thai tv show that has corrupt cops, politicians, or military is that they are not allowed to broadcast shows with that content. It's strictly censored.

Always has been that way, but the anti army clan believe it is the army only that gags the media. Thaksin did it more than this army----sure I was here, you could not read English printed news here with anything that was anti Thaksin, some posters are not interested in that that has not to be mentioned.

"Thaksin did it more than the army" Another example of the falsehoods and utter nonsense upon which you futilely try to build arguments.

Thaksin pulled advertising contracts from media outlets that criticised him, raising the ire of Sonthi L and the like, but he did not censor the media outright like the bunch who are in power now. Nor did he outlaw criticism in the way that we see now.

After all, we still got to read about Thaksin's wrongdoings while he was in power. I know I did. Quite unlike military governments in the past, where people only got to read about their wrongdoings after they had left office.

But then again, you refuse to read history.

Keep watching the happy channel.

You keep telling yourself that fella, if it makes you feel good.

Historically, the poster was correct, and you are obfuscating history, which is not even laughable, more like giggleable, or chuckleable...gods, the Thaksin haters are hilarious...just a quaint old lady cup of knitting circle silly.

[ginjag]

The reason why you never see a Thai tv show that has corrupt cops, politicians, or military is that they are not allowed to broadcast shows with that content. It's strictly censored.

Always has been that way, but the anti army clan believe it is the army only that gags the media. Thaksin did it more than this army----sure I was here, you could not read English printed news here with anything that was anti Thaksin, some posters are not interested in that that has not to be mentioned.

"Thaksin did it more than the army" Another example of the falsehoods and utter nonsense upon which you futilely try to build arguments.

Thaksin pulled advertising contracts from media outlets that criticised him, raising the ire of Sonthi L and the like, but he did not censor the media outright like the bunch who are in power now. Nor did he outlaw criticism in the way that we see now.

After all, we still got to read about Thaksin's wrongdoings while he was in power. I know I did. Quite unlike military governments in the past, where people only got to read about their wrongdoings after they had left office.

But then again, you refuse to read history.

Keep watching the happy channel.

You keep telling yourself that fella, if it makes you feel good.

MM, I had as much history as will ever need from school without this guy to tell me to look into the Military history, how far back to the wars on elephants ???

Listen to the rhetoric quote "the BUNCH that are in power now" If this is not an agenda against the army Then I am Andy Pandy..

Now my PTP friend, are we talking about a one to one situation here, because that is all it boils down to. I said Thaksin had all the media by the short and curlies, and this army NOW has done what wrong ???? forget before Thaksin or other military. lets talk about the present and compare these 2 shall we. Answer NO I will bet my bottom dollar you have all the praise for Thaksin/PTP/Yingluck and nothing for the Army.