Does Britain have a jihadi problem?

[jacky54]

I think we all agree Britain does have a jihadist problem, the questions to answer are how and why 100's of British born Muslims end up becoming unrepentant murderers who glorify death and why so many others support them and Jihad. What can be done to stop this growing trend?

[mccw]

What ideally could be done if absolute ruler of Great Britian personally? (Not much point in fantasy really)

What will likely chance be done with current leadership? (Not much as we all seem to agree)

Or how about ideas; what can we each try to do to effect some positive chances of change and action?

[jacky54]

I have not heard of anyone ever actually being stripped of UK citizenship I think it was just another 'could be' be never will be threat. i'd like to see a link to anyone that has been. They may have done for Abu Hanza but he was a wanted terrorist extradited to the USA

[simple1]

I have not heard of anyone ever actually being stripped of UK citizenship I think it was just another 'could be' be never will be threat. i'd like to see a link to anyone that has been. They may have done for Abu Hanza but he was a wanted terrorist extradited to the USA

British Citizenship under the 2006 Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act.

The number of people subject to the power, under which the Home Secretary can deprive dual nationals of their British citizenship if it is deemed to be in the public interest, has increased since the coalition government came to power.

http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/home-office-is-cancelling-british-citizenship-of-more-dual-nationality-brits.html

And British Nationality Act 1981 (as amended),

In recent years there has been an increasing use of powers to deprive people of their British citizenship and withdraw British passport facilities, particularly in respect of those who may be involved in fighting, extremist activity or terrorist training overseas.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CE0QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2Fsn06820.pdf&ei=4cEXVOriI8HluQT_w4KgAg&usg=AFQjCNEtv2_a8Vj_mg6DxgZxOuN0TYpyxA&sig2=J2jj4w6fAQFSDM7pFv2mtg

[jacky54]

So how many Islamic jihadist have had their nationality taken away?

[mccw]

Japanese way apparently rather different to the British;

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/japan-the-land-without-muslims/comment-page-3/

many Japanese are in need to worry on public forums about jihadi returnees?

[chiang mai]

So how many Islamic jihadist have had their nationality taken away?

Can I ask Jacky if you are a member of EDL or similar, it's a serious question.

[simple1]

So how many Islamic jihadist have had their nationality taken away?

I’ll make it easy for,you; make an application via FOI, with somewhat better wording, at the URL below.

https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/the-freedom-of-information-act

An example FOI response

We are aware of twelve British Nationals who are currently being detained overseas on terrorism charges, and are providing consular assistance. We do not hold information on whether these charges relate specifically to Islamist terrorism.

Edited September 16, 2014 by simple1

[nontabury]

So how many Islamic jihadist have had their nationality taken away?

I’ll make it easy for,you; make an application via FOI, with somewhat better wording, at the URL below.

https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/the-freedom-of-information-act

An example FOI response

We are aware of twelve British Nationals who are currently being detained overseas on terrorism charges, and are providing consular assistance. We do not hold information on whether these charges relate specifically to Islamist terrorism.

You've been asked for a simple and straightforward question, please provide the numbers.

[jacky54]

Blaming all Muslims for the actions and beliefs of IS is as stupid as blaming all Christians for the actions and beliefs of the Nazis!

Did somebody blame ALL Muslims, where was that?, the blame is on ALL of Islam, individual Muslims are just as much it's victim as the rest of us.

No answer on the number of Jihadists having their nationality stripped yet then, the EDL of course is an entirely legal organisation not involved in murder.

Edited September 16, 2014 by jacky54

[Scott]

Off-topic posts deleted.

[craigt3365]

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[simple1]

So how many Islamic jihadist have had their nationality taken away?

I’ll make it easy for,you; make an application via FOI, with somewhat better wording, at the URL below.

https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/the-freedom-of-information-act

An example FOI response

We are aware of twelve British Nationals who are currently being detained overseas on terrorism charges, and are providing consular assistance. We do not hold information on whether these charges relate specifically to Islamist terrorism.

You've been asked for a simple and straightforward question, please provide the numbers.

If you or others wish to gain more detail, use Google, FOI or read the content at a URL I provided in my first reply to the question.

Edited September 16, 2014 by simple1

[mumjokmok]

yes. cold turkey at once. no more talking, thinking or fearing jihadi's. cravings will persist for some time and the urge to pick at scabs will be overhwelming. all symptoms will correct themselves naturally. fear of islam is addictive. they like cups of tea too, and cakes.....

[chiang mai]

OK, I get it now, only questions you approve and answers you can tolerate are sanctioned, that sounds fair!

[jacky54]

Worrying recruitment video by ISIS, on the BBC. note the very mild criticism by the member of the British Council of Muslims who is mainly concerned about the worry the Islamist fighters will cause to their parents, he says they are not helping but does not actually say they are wrong, or that Jihad is wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4eMIO4aED0

[apiwan]

Trouble is. There's a few wackos. Who spoil it for the rest. Radical Muslims and radical EDL types

I've got loads of Muslim mates. From all parts of the world.

And they are just like you and me.

Work hard. Buy a house. Bring up kids.

Things have changed since I was in school.

Nowadays seems all are accepted here.

The saving grace of the UK is that your everyday educated fella on the street accepts different nationalities.

[boomerangutang]

Trouble is. There's a few wackos. Who spoil it for the rest. Radical Muslims and radical EDL types. I've got loads of Muslim mates. From all parts of the world.

And they are just like you and me. Work hard. Buy a house. Bring up kids. Things have changed since I was in school. Nowadays seems all are accepted here. The saving grace of the UK is that your everyday educated fella on the street accepts different nationalities.

Yes, it's good to accept different nationalities (and belief systems, skin colors, etc). Growing up, I changed schools 9 times in 11 years, within 5 countries. I have Muslim friends here in Chiang Rai, as well as others with a slew of other allegiances.

The sustained openness of UK has been overdone. Now there are types who would actively try to cause trouble for Brits. Some are overt, others are 'sleepers' (waiting for the right time to shout 'Allah Akbar' and start the serious take-over). Brits think niceness and fairness will prevail. It won't. Some of the extremists are hard-core and are adept at melding in to the shadows - or, if cornered, can simply say "it's not me, mate. I'm on your side.". Tough times ahead for Britain and the rest of Europe.

[apiwan]

Trouble is. There's a few wackos. Who spoil it for the rest. Radical Muslims and radical EDL types. I've got loads of Muslim mates. From all parts of the world.

And they are just like you and me. Work hard. Buy a house. Bring up kids. Things have changed since I was in school. Nowadays seems all are accepted here. The saving grace of the UK is that your everyday educated fella on the street accepts different nationalities.

Yes, it's good to accept different nationalities (and belief systems, skin colors, etc). Growing up, I changed schools 9 times in 11 years, within 5 countries. I have Muslim friends here in Chiang Rai, as well as others with a slew of other allegiances.

The sustained openness of UK has been overdone. Now there are types who would actively try to cause trouble for Brits. Some are overt, others are 'sleepers' (waiting for the right time to shout 'Allah Akbar' and start the serious take-over). Brits think niceness and fairness will prevail. It won't. Some of the extremists are hard-core and are adept at melding in to the shadows - or, if cornered, can simply say "it's not me, mate. I'm on your side.". Tough times ahead for Britain and the rest of Europe.

If you read the daily mail /express. Then yes. They're taking over. We're all doomed Mr manering.

But those papers are owned and push the zionist Israeli view.

If you just read the daily mail. After a week you want to top yourself.

On the street. Most folks just get on.

I've said it myself. Why's that idiot wearing his pyjamas in the daytime? .

Why's his beard tickling his <deleted>?

And yet my mate a cabbie in london. Is exactly like that.

He just says. You look weird. With a clean shave. And wearing jeans and a TV shirt.

We see churches has beautiful.

They see mosque's the same.

The majority don't wanna cut our heads off and blow us up.

[canuckamuck]

Trouble is. There's a few wackos. Who spoil it for the rest. Radical Muslims and radical EDL types. I've got loads of Muslim mates. From all parts of the world.

And they are just like you and me. Work hard. Buy a house. Bring up kids. Things have changed since I was in school. Nowadays seems all are accepted here. The saving grace of the UK is that your everyday educated fella on the street accepts different nationalities.

Yes, it's good to accept different nationalities (and belief systems, skin colors, etc). Growing up, I changed schools 9 times in 11 years, within 5 countries. I have Muslim friends here in Chiang Rai, as well as others with a slew of other allegiances.

The sustained openness of UK has been overdone. Now there are types who would actively try to cause trouble for Brits. Some are overt, others are 'sleepers' (waiting for the right time to shout 'Allah Akbar' and start the serious take-over). Brits think niceness and fairness will prevail. It won't. Some of the extremists are hard-core and are adept at melding in to the shadows - or, if cornered, can simply say "it's not me, mate. I'm on your side.". Tough times ahead for Britain and the rest of Europe.

The thing about tolerance is that it really should be mutual and it should have hard limits.

[Ulysses G.]

But those papers are owned and push the zionist Israeli view.

Promoting loony conspiracy theories make it easy to dismiss anything that you have to say. Thanks for being so frank about your views.

[jacky54]

The saving grace of the UK is that your everyday educated fella on the street accepts different nationalities.

The Jhadist problem in the UK and Islam in general is that while it does accept all nationalities- it only does so as long as they are Muslim, all else are unbelievers and kaffir or as the koran says 'the worst of people' This unacceptance of other faiths is one of the big problems with Islam, race has nothing to do with it though, and it leads to so many of the problems we have seen on this and another thread about Rotherham. Agnostics and atheists are regarded even worse than Jews and Christians of course!

[jacky54]

But those papers are owned and push the zionist Israeli view.

Yet you speak of educated fellas in the UK accepting all nationalities, then come out with a this, all nationalities except Jews and their world conspiracy is it then?

[apiwan]

But those papers are owned and push the zionist Israeli view.

Promoting loony conspiracy theories make it easy to dismiss anything that you have to say. Thanks for being so frank about your views.

You've led a sheltered life in blighty

[apiwan]

But those papers are owned and push the zionist Israeli view.

Yet you speak of educated fellas in the UK accepting all nationalities, then come out with a this, all nationalities except Jews and their world conspiracy is it then?

Everyone is pushing their own agenda

[apiwan]

Count me out.. Don't know why I got involved in this convo.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies deleted.

[mccw]

And when people are too intolerant; violent; racist etc ; they need to be stopped.

Britian went to war against the Nazi

The extremist Muslims are like the modern day Nazi. They want to kill all the Jews; but also all the Christians, other minorities and Sunni IS want to kill all Shia and any other Sunni who doesn't confirm to thier extremism, moderates, obviously gays or lesbians, and all the rest of it.

In our modern day British tolerance we are tolerating the most heinous intolerance to be purportraited - in the name of tolerance! Doesn't make much sense does it?

So tolerant that we allow segregation in schools and teaching that men are dominant over women. Allowing sharia courts to run in our country which are morally not compatible with the courts sand laws we spent hundreds of years trying to make fair.

In the name of tolerance we have allowed normal Muslim to be oppressed in our country by the very same people that they fled from.

I say our British "tolerance" has warped to just accepting what ever injustice others are doing for fear of being branded a racist or intolerant.

We should stick to our morals of equality for all under the law and civil system.

Not allow Muslims to operate their own system as another class of people with in our country; and certainly not allow them try to impose thier laws on us (like the sharia controlled zones springing up).

Speaking out against extremist injustice and horrible wrong thinking doesn't make some one a racist.

I have Muslim friends who are normal people also; a few Buddhist Muslims even believe it or not. I know a Sufi guy; pretty cool dude. But it's the extremists who want to stamp out all these people too. Which is why it's important to stand up and NO. Why the government needs to clam down on the Hate preachers; ban them; close Down the web sites; deport all who preach and follow those extremist branches. It's a dangerous poison ; or more like a disease.

I love the diversity of London; the carribean bunch especially; music, culture, etc is all enriched by it; we all mix and blend together no problem. But what do the Muslim extremists bring?

Hate and isolation; division; they don't want to inter grate and get along, add to the blend; they want to convert people or have nothing to do with them. They want to come and live off our "tolerance" and generosity, only as a base to further thier own intolerant ends; like the Muslim brother hood using UK as a base to run operations of aiming to oppression across the Middle East.

It's not right damn it.

I hate people calling people racist or intolerant when they are actually trying to halt the very real and powerful oppression of extremist Islam. Logic and common sense lost to peoples brainwashing by the status quo media and political correctness bias maybe.

Even the EDL; grated they look like a bunch of scum bags, hooligans. But if you look at thier main slogan "black and white unite against extremist Islam." - that is clearly not racist; or even against all Muslim; specifically Existrism", what's wrong with that? I am not a member but I think it's a valid call to protest the situation. All the the literature makes it very clear they are against the extremism and intolerance not every Muslim. But the media try's to portray them as nazi skin heads. They do look a bit skin head; which is a shame; because there are serious numbers of people who disapprove of they Extremist Muslim oppression. And cultural issues which are not acceptable. Like forced marriage - shameful that the labour allowed it to go on for decades before Tories made it illegal recently. Another prime example of sllowing injustice in the name of cultural "tolerance"; genital mutilation is another one.

We the freedom and equality loving people of Great Britian should not be afraid to what is Right and Wrong in our Nation and by our morals.

Time to stop pandering to the sick violent opressors.

[H1w4yR1da]

It's not only Britain with this problem. Many posts previously have shown the jihad problem also affects many other developed, civilized countries, including now Germany.

"After supporters of ISIS were found patrolling the streets of West Germany enforcing Sharia Law earlier this month, Germany has made the decision to criminalize all forms of support for the terrorist organization."

http://www.funker530.com/germany-bans-all-isis-support-after-sharia-police-were-found-patrolling-german-streets/

[mccw]

It's a global problem. Anywhere there are Muslims it's a chance for infection.

You know the Asian Muslims; Thais never really in to the Arab black one piece for the ladies; but last ten years it's been on the rise. Have you noticed? In the Muslim areas of Thailand; chiang Mai even. The guys dressing up thier women like Arabs. Unfortunately means they are getting preached to or influenced by the extreme side of that Sunni nut case bunch no?

Very sad for world.

I came here one reason to get away from the powder keg the UK is turning in to. Europe is turning in to. Or is already.

Other than the weather that is.

Seriously; Itally and Spain etc are nice places to live too. But the Muslim hoards and all those weapons in the North African states are just a boat ride away. See Kenya where the Somalis pop down the coast to attack the tourists. I could see such happen in Mediterranean. Not much of a stretch of imagination. Certain they could and probably are smuggling weapons in to extremists already in side Europes boarders.