British police arrive in Thailand to observe Koh Tao murder probe

[iReason]

How much input will they be allowed?

If just observing then they might as well stayed at home.

As for setting up a police station well that horse as truly bolted but I suppose anything is better than the current set up.

Still the RTP reckon they have the guys and the DNA so innocent until proven guilty but if they are then throw the full weight of the courts at them

Here is a sentence from a National News Bureau of Thailand article dated October 23rd. “Regional Public Prosecution 8 deputy director-general Thawatchai Siangjaew said that “Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario”.

What a scam, it's theater, a show for the public, the Brits will not be allowed to work on the case.

"Thai police will happily provide them with any information they request."

"Thai police will conduct any additional investigations per request from the British officers..."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1413790292

Edited October 24, 2014 by iReason

[Baerboxer]

Thailand is a member of INTERPOL. They have a right to investigate in Thailand. What does it take to get INTERPOL involved?

Membership of Interpol has nothing to do with a right to investigate.

Interpol is a clearing hose for information, requests for arrests / finding people and property etc and nothing else.

Even as mere observers, the British police WILL arrive back home with two confirmations.

The two suspects are almost certainly innocent.

The Thai police are covering the crime up because of corruption.

No 'political niceties'. They are not coming back to the UK defending a corrupt case because the UK are supposedly not wanting to upset Thailand.

That makes the British police as corrupt as Thailand.

Lest ye forget, there is actually an ongoing investigation on the UK side, even with their limited access, they are entitled to investigate as much as they can do from the UK.

It is then that the UK will be in a position to contact Interpol and request an international arrest warrant of the real suspects. What is Thailand going to do then?

Or is this all in my head, I am stupid and watch too much TV?

You've made your mind up already then. Why wait for an investigation, prosecution, trial and verdict.

We've got social media now.

Yes, you probably do watch too much TV.

[Sviss Geez]

Thailand is a member of INTERPOL. They have a right to investigate in Thailand. What does it take to get INTERPOL involved?

"They have a right to investigate in Thailand. What does it take to get INTERPOL involved?"

Only if requested by Thailand.

Some people need to look up what the function of Interpol actually is.

Clue - it ain't like it's portrayed in the movies.

"Some people need to look up what the function of Interpol actually is."

Indeed you do.

[Somtamnication]

If all 7 of them arrived with hair, they will leave as bald as a babie's butt by the time they head back to Heathrow.

Good luck, lads (ladies if there is a female). You will not be able to achieve anything, as loss of face will impede any serious collaboration.

[minikev]

Who are these Brit policemen, what are their qualifications and experience. Which police force are they members of ?

They have to prove their competence and credibility to a ThaiVisa poster?

A Metropolitan DCI from the homicide and major crime unit, a forensic operations coordinator from the Met, and an experienced homicide detective from Norfolk police.

[ebonykap]

I would like to welcome the British police contingent to Thailand, and wish them every success in bringing this debacle to a satisfactory conclusion. You have the overwhelming support of (in my estimation) 90% of those aware of this tragedy. This includes Thai people.

I refuse to be pessimistic, unlike some here, and believe this can only be a good thing. These WILL be top-flight, seasoned professionals and, even with the expected smoke and mirrors, they will observe, conclude and recommend. And the world will be watching.

For David and Hannah, and now especially their family and loved ones, I not only hope, but fully expect, justice to be served.

[Artisi]

And what Visa are these Police on?

It takes about 10 minutes to get an Urgent Duty Work Permit issued. This is just a formality.

It was a pretty stupid question anyway, unless it was in jest and if so it went over like a pregnant pole - vaulter.

[Baerboxer]

Thailand is a member of INTERPOL. They have a right to investigate in Thailand. What does it take to get INTERPOL involved?

"They have a right to investigate in Thailand. What does it take to get INTERPOL involved?"

Only if requested by Thailand.

Some people need to look up what the function of Interpol actually is.

Clue - it ain't like it's portrayed in the movies.

"Some people need to look up what the function of Interpol actually is."

Indeed you do.

"Interpol is not a supranational law-enforcement agency, and it has no agents who would make arrests.^[16] Instead, it is an international organization that functions as a network of criminal law-enforcement agencies from different countries. The organization thus functions as an administrative liaison among the law-enforcement agencies of the member countries, providing communications and database assistance, assisted via the central headquarters in Lyon, France"

Does that help you?

Try the new fangled thing called "Google'. Very easy to use.

[ToddinChonburi]

Well I will not be holding my breath on this one. I would have love to be in on the briefing the British detectives received. Remember you are guests in the country of Thailand and you are only here to observe.

This is a JOKE. There is no crime seen. Washed away by the tide, The DNA can not be trusted. What happened to the DNA in Singapore ?

The politicians of today are a joke, Political correctness overload.

I get a travel warning about Marshal Law from the Us Embassy, Nothing about the possibility of your safety from thugs,murders,scamers, and rapist.

[Baerboxer]

I suspect there would have been a few British government employees who work out of the Embassy sent to Koh Tao the same day these murders happened.

The type of worker who patiently watches from the background and records what's going on without saying a word.

+1 you are spot on. The Germany Embassy too has police officers stationed permanently and follow up on suspicious deaths of German nationals in Thailand. They are also used to bring back Germans that have a warrant open to send them back to Germany to face the music.

As do the Americans, the Aussies, the Brits, Germans, Russians, Dutch (I met a Dutch guy - detective working here looking for Dutch criminals hiding in the Kingdom. He was very discreet. ) There is also a large International force of agents looking for pedophiles in the Kingdom.

You can usually find them, drinking with all the ex SAS, CIA, Navy Seals, Spetznatz and Foreign Legion officers in Nana and Pattaya on a Friday night.

[carter1882]

A friend of my Thai wife's brother's maid said she spoke to her sister who saw on someone else's Facebook page that the British cops were living it up down Patpong last night. Must be true, like SteveFong's ramblings.

[Nemesis7]

Nothing will change to the Thai investigation and their findings. By the way I hope the UK police read the story of blue diamond stealing and the Thai police investigation case.

[bannork]

A friend of my Thai wife's brother's maid said she spoke to her sister who saw on someone else's Facebook page that the British cops were living it up down Patpong last night. Must be true, like SteveFong's ramblings.

I enjoy Steve's posts except when he slags off all of Thailand but I can't help noticing his surname in Thai as a verb means to sue or prosecute whilst as an adjective it means to tell tales as in the classroom snitch- khi fong !

Perhaps no coincidence!

[GAZZPA]

I searched Google to see if i could find anything about Chris Ware's statement to Scotland Yard

I found a link to Daily Mail in UK

But the site is blocked but Thai information ministry

www.dailymail.co.uk

I wonder why? Could it be that it blows the Thai Police case out of the water? Could it also be it completely slates the Thai police?

I suspect so, although like you I have not read it,, later I will call someone from the UK and ask them to read it to me..

[smokie36]

Don't be confused these guys are pro's even if just observing they will see a lot that matters. It's what they do.

Exactly....it won't be plod they have sent over.

[DennisF]

The facts are the Brit police have arrived, and they are all specialists in their field.

Observers or investigators makes no odds here, any holes and they WILL find them.

The ramifications for Thailands economy could be huge.

We DO NOT KNOW what the Brit police have in their armoury, what we can be 100% certain of is that they know a darn site more than#

we do.

Let them do their job, they will surprise the doubters, Im sure.

This case is massive for Thailand and Britain politically and credibility wise.

It will not just go away, the real murderers will be caught and charged, Im sure.

After they go to court, well, TIT, who knows.

But the head Bib on sick with whereabouts unknown may give us a clue as to how this

mess is falling apart.

[RustBucket]

Nothing will change to the Thai investigation and their findings. By the way I hope the UK police read the story of blue diamond stealing and the Thai police investigation case.

Why would they? Nothing to do with Britain, and i believe that Saudi cut all diplomatic ties with Thailand over that.

But then again, Saudi is NOT the same as the UK.

The UK has a lot more international leverage than Saudi will ever have. They can really make things uncomfortable for Thailand on the world stage.

[SteveFong]

How much input will they be allowed?

If just observing then they might as well stayed at home.

As for setting up a police station well that horse as truly bolted but I suppose anything is better than the current set up.

Still the RTP reckon they have the guys and the DNA so innocent until proven guilty but if they are then throw the full weight of the courts at them

Here is a sentence from a National News Bureau of Thailand article dated October 23rd. “Regional Public Prosecution 8 deputy director-general Thawatchai Siangjaew said that “Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario”.

What a scam, it's theater, a show for the public, the Brits will not be allowed to work on the case.

it is not a scam

Chris Ware stood up for his friend, and gave a full briefing of what happened that night.

The full details of what Scotland Yard detectives know, is everything we hoped for, and more.

So much so, that the word is, the Police general in charge, has recently gone on sick leave and his whereabouts are unknown

This case has blown wide open, and the people involved know it

Expect this to get bigger than any of the bad actors could have ever expected, and with it, international coverage of their arrests

Hopefully, all those present that night who are now back in UK have given the police what information they can.

Do you have any links to your source of information on all that you say please.

it is all on the CSI LA page on a social network forum that rhymes with spacebook

we cant print the name or post the link

[RustBucket]

Here is a sentence from a National News Bureau of Thailand article dated October 23rd. “Regional Public Prosecution 8 deputy director-general Thawatchai Siangjaew said that “Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario”.

What a scam, it's theater, a show for the public, the Brits will not be allowed to work on the case.

it is not a scam

Chris Ware stood up for his friend, and gave a full briefing of what happened that night.

The full details of what Scotland Yard detectives know, is everything we hoped for, and more.

So much so, that the word is, the Police general in charge, has recently gone on sick leave and his whereabouts are unknown

This case has blown wide open, and the people involved know it

Expect this to get bigger than any of the bad actors could have ever expected, and with it, international coverage of their arrests

Hopefully, all those present that night who are now back in UK have given the police what information they can.

Do you have any links to your source of information on all that you say please.

it is all on the CSI LA page on a social network forum that rhymes with spacebook

we cant print the name or post the link

So this forum bans the typing of the word 'facebook' in any post?

I find that probably the most bizarre rule I have ever come across on any forum in the 20 years I have been online.

Are you serious?

[lensta]

The seven strong contingent will be gutted, they are going to take a dramatic hit to their wallets...

In my opinion, it is that seven strong contingent that should have their DNA tested

[petermik]

I was under the impression they arrived last week.

Maybe that was unofficial and they have been having fun on Soi Cowboy and Nana for a week and can now get to observing.

What ever that means.

"What ever that means" just what i was thinking about the above reply

[Fred Flinstone]

Lets Hope we get 1st world truth in a hopelessly lost evil 3rd world setting

[RustBucket]

A message to the doubters whether they have an anti-British agenda or not.

If the PM Prayuth only is allowing them to stand and watch, or even if he has extended his courtesy to even allowing them to ask questions. This could have all been done (and would have been) via the British embassy and the British police. There would have been no need whatsoever to waste time and money of very senior and experienced police officers just to stand there and watch and ask a few questions here and there.

The fact that they have a very senior hand picked team of 7 or 8 specialist officers that have gone to the trouble of travelling across the globe, tells me that they are going to have a bit more hands on involvement than you think/hope. The Brits would not be sending people over here just to do something that can be done from the UK via the embassy or email.

The Brits are not so stupid they would send very important resources on a wild goose chase where they can not gain any truth or justice.

Edited October 24, 2014 by RustBucket

[Sawan Chan 7]

And what Visa are these Police on?

what a stupid thong to ask

[DennisF]

There are times when I am shocked by the appalling stupidity of some posters here.

We have highly trained, motivated professional policemen from the UK and so many are making innuendos that they will,

or have been cavorting and enjoying the dubious benefits of Nana Cowboy and the like. This whilst observing the investigation of a rape and murder case.

The RTP would like nothing better than to discredit this delegation, do you really believe they do not know that and would be

brainless enough to supply them with character assassination evidence??

If you really believe that the Brit police are going to do anything wrong here, you are a fool.

They are not RTP and will do or say NOTHING that could damage their mission, which is to get justice for the victims

of this terrible crime.

[Artisi]

If the British police aren't allowed to investigate themselves should they notice a lead that should have been followed and suggest that to the Thai police. Would that mean that the Thai police would investigate that lead?

I mean it's always good to look at something from a new angle!

Unless of course you are RTP under starters orders and then all that is important is to charge straight ahead.

[Artisi]

TV.....why do you even entertain posts such as #102,108 and 109. These posts don't belong here. Stupid crap for their own benefit.

Probably tolerated for the same reason as yours. A bit of nonsense to lighten the atmosphere.

[robsamui]

The fact that police from a foreign country are in Thailand speaks volumes. Either procedural and data errors of this one case have obviously been so egregious and manipulated, or the accumulative reputation of the just-us privileged system in Thailand...perhaps both...have led up to invoking the need for a foreign presence to keep the tragedy honest; an unprecedented collective loss of face. When will Thai people stand up and hold officials accountable?

On the day that the Thai children receive education, not mere rote training, have dedicated child-centred teachers, are encouraged to express themselves, are stimulated to create their own stories and pictures rather than just memorising endless folk tales and copying ancient temple art, are taught world history not just about Thailand, are stimulated enough to think for themselves and encouraged to politely question their teachers and other authority figures.

That'll do for starters, but even so it's going to take a few generations to catch up with the rest of the world . . .

R

[Artisi]

Nothing will change to the Thai investigation and their findings. By the way I hope the UK police read the story of blue diamond stealing and the Thai police investigation case.

Think they are probably far better informed of this particular case than what you are, unless of course you are one of those "unknown" embassy members who scratch around all day looking for crims and gangsters hiding from the law.

[redfarang88]

I searched Google to see if i could find anything about Chris Ware's statement to Scotland Yard

I found a link to Daily Mail in UK

But the site is blocked but Thai information ministry

www.dailymail.co.uk

If the Thai Information Ministry can block a British national newspaper site to stop people in Thailand reading the statement of Chris Ware, How far do you think this cover up is going up the ladder of power in the RTP and Government

For the RTP to backtrack now is impossible and admit they made a mistake about the perfect case, I would like to be proved wrong but and see justice done but the power from Koh Toa has very long arms, 30 years in this country and I think that to much loss of face for the RTP and our beloved PM for them to change there lies now, Like I say I hope to be proved wrong. Good luck to the British police.