Police coy over new probe into Koh Tao murders

[Carrerakiss]

That picture alone would negate the possibility of a fair trial in any country in the world with a proper justice system.

What is it with the pictures of alleged offenders being paraded in front of the media, never seen anything quite like it in any other country.

I thought the police made it clear that the DNA test did NOT form part of their investigation because that, was already complete. Whilst highly publicized, the test was not an "official" one.

[Jim walker]

This whole case has been a sham since day one when a dozen police walked all over the crime scene, then the two stooges arrested to get the case finalised for the world media, are the families ever going to get any closure in this coy 3^rd world justice system, I doubt it very much. And the RTP will only manage to solve the crime if they get a full and honest confession from the genuine perpetrator.

[BSJ]

Cowboys comes to mind! A few nights ago a car went through a road block outside Central Festival (04-11-14) Pattaya and some cowboy cop blasts off 10 or more rounds to shoot out the tyres on the stationary Honda!

With the traffic outside Central Festival the cop could have walked after the car and still arrested him because the Honda was blocked with traffic.

So, it would be safe to assume, with all the facts we have accumulated from the past, that the Thai police are somewhere between stupid and dangerous!

[IamNoone88]

The village headman should keep his mouth shut and stop calling press conferences for his sons justice. He should be calling for open justice to the two murders that occured on his island and on his watch. Shows him in his true light.

[greenchair]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

DNA does not show why there were so many lies and evasion in the beginning. Nomsod is only one. There are thought to be 3 or 4 people involved. Two did not leave DNA.

Let's not forget sean either.

[greenchair]

I have speculated they were chasing the wrong brother.

I thought at the beginning the cops said one brother was at university and the other was on the run.

I thought nomsod might well be innocent and a very well played smoke screen.

What is nomsod brothers name?

can anybody help me about that first report?

[joecoolfrog]

Seems there might be another act or two before the fat lady gets to sing.

[PaPiPuPePo]

That picture alone would negate the possibility of a fair trial in any country in the world with a proper justice system.

What is it with the pictures of alleged offenders being paraded in front of the media, never seen anything quite like it in any other country.

Come one, get up to speed like the Burmese-bashers on this forum (surprised they haven't shown up on this thread yet, where are you JTJ and JDIA to spin this)!

How it works is you have a desired outcome (think "a Thai would never do this") and then with sustained and cooperative effort the evidence will eventually lead you there. Easy-peasy-Japaneasy! The re-enactments (directed), the incriminating photos like you brought up, it's all just a little insurance. Can't be too careful.

[Lammbock]

If these two clerks are really guilty than I am Santa Clause.

[Artisi]

please don't say bad things about the RTP, it would make them feel sad

and might increase the suicide rate in the RTP

[Artisi]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

Doesn't even prove that - have you ever heard the word condom - and not the "red herring" found discarded on the beach.

[boomerangutang]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

It doesn't SHOW anything. The only people who have the DNA typing from the crime are one or a few top police brass. It would be easy for them (and would fit hand in glove with their cover-up) to make a photocopy of the Burmeses' DNA cards, and re-label them 'DNA from crime scene.' Who's going to challenge that? Is anyone going to go up to the top cop and demand to see verification?

As for Burmese officials asking for 'new crime probe' or whatever. That's easy for Thai officials to scoff off. All they have to do is put a hand on the Burmese officials shoulder and say with a grin, "don't worry, we've got everything under control. Heck, we're doing such a good job, we don't even need to share DNA info with the British observers. If the British aren't complaining, why should you? Hey, come on friend, let's go get some whiskey, I've got cartons of Johnny Walker at my house, just don't ask me where I got it from, ha ha ha."

[Artisi]

"Innocent until we prove them guilty...however long it takes"

No No No - it's guilty until we prove them guilty.

[StealthEnergiser]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

Well not quite

It shows the evidence currently to hand doesn't implicate him in any sexual involvement

(notwithstanding of course any 'manipulation' of that evidence in the first place)

Don't forget about the condom found close to the murder weapon it is intesting that Nomsod avoided being tested until after the forensics guy said they could not get DNA from the condom maybe just a coincidence .

Edited November 6, 2014 by StealthEnergiser

[srchino]

I'm probably not alone when I say, as a foreigner who loves many aspects of Thailand, that I am MUCH more put off by a potential government-run cover up than I would be of a convicted murderer brought to justice who also happens to be Thai.

I think the authorities place way too much weight on the hypothetical damage to tourism resulting from a Thai national being ultimately found guilty as the culprit behind the grisly murders on Koh Tao.

Murder unfortunately happens in most if not all societies. It is something I think westerners accept as reality. That said, tourists would feel much safer and assured knowing that there is an honorable and effective system of law enforcement and justice in place, to deal with those ugly realities when they arise.

Unfortunately, regardless of the outcome of this case, and even if the real murderer is brought to justice- corruption and ineptitude are the things people will take away from this story.

It's a damn shame; the families of the victims, the Burmese workers, and Thailand itself deserve better than this.

[Artisi]

Cowboys comes to mind! A few nights ago a car went through a road block outside Central Festival (04-11-14) Pattaya and some cowboy cop blasts off 10 or more rounds to shoot out the tyres on the stationary Honda!

With the traffic outside Central Festival the cop could have walked after the car and still arrested him because the Honda was blocked with traffic.

So, it would be safe to assume, with all the facts we have accumulated from the past, that the Thai police are somewhere between stupid and dangerous!

Stupid AND dangerous - a nasty combination.

[tonypace02]

In separate interrogations, two suspects confess to committing a crime together. Then they talk to a lawyer and recant their confessions. I wonder if this has ever happened before anywhere else in the world.

[jaltsc]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

"OFFICIAL" is not the same as "Scientific", nor does it mean that the process followed universal forensic standards, including, but not limited to the requirement of chain of evidence, whereby there is a trail how the evidences was collected, transferred and analyzed. . At each step every person who had contact with the evidence signed and noted date and time they handled the evidence, and described in detail what procedures were applied to that evidence.

I would like to see the officials presenting this for examination. I would think that if the real "official" handling of the evidence were revealed, it would resemble a 3 Stooges movie.

Edited November 6, 2014 by jaltsc

[Artisi]

In separate interrogations, two suspects confess to committing a crime together. Then they talk to a lawyer and recant their confessions. I wonder if this has ever happened before anywhere else in the world.

Probably in any country that uses torture/ threats and assistance in extracting and forming your confession.

[CNXTim]

Social Media? No we call that Public Outcry with an official petition to bring UK authorities into an honest investigation. All the PR and typical juvenile spin will not change the resolve of normal people to have true justice done.

[hoyism]

"The Guardian already reported that the UK Foreign Office have summoned the Thai consulate in London to convey their suspicions (concerns) that this whole investigation has been fudged to save tourism"

This story and everything that's going in within it has reached households in the UK, only yesterday a family member in London told me everything we've all been talking about on here, what-ever the outcome this will not be forgotten and will for sure put off all those easily scared middle-class "quality tourists" they're so desperate to attract from coming to places like Koh Tao and Haad Rin.

[daveAustin]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

I don't think it counts for either as the' official DNA' tests count for sh*t!

[wvavin]

This case really revealed to the international communities on how incapable of the Royal Thai Police. Well, its a good start at this time for them to decide whether they still want to work behind masks or be respected by the public or investors with their ethical work.

[thailandchilli]

"Meanwhile, Worapan Tuwichien - the village head of Moo 1 of Tambon Koh Tao, and the owner of a bar on the island - said he planned to hold another press conference to call for justice after his son was implicated in the case by social-media users."

So I take it thats to issue more threats of legal action against people. Let him try and see how the consequences of that will really be for his precious Koh Tao money making machine, that is already grinding to a halt

[hugh2121]

jspill post # 28.

I can think of a Thai word that sounds like coy to describe the police.

Why are we or you waiting?

Well come along enlighten us all with your profound knowledge.

Hoy? The English equivalent would begin with C and would end in S in plural form.

Hmmm. Oyster, shellfish.

[smotherb]

<Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders> QUOTE

"Official" (like in paid) is the main word here!!

Haven't you missed the point? How ludicrous is it to say the lack of his DNA presence absolves him of the murder? It may absolve him of the rape, but even that may not be sure--if he did not ejaculate, would his DNA be present?

[jdinasia]

That picture alone would negate the possibility of a fair trial in any country in the world with a proper justice system.

What is it with the pictures of alleged offenders being paraded in front of the media, never seen anything quite like it in any other country.

Apparently you are unaware that Thailand does not have a jury system.

Many countries use the perp walk. Thailand uses reenactments

[mikemac]

I have not made many comments on this subject so far as there have been thousands of comments made by other posters already, but I would like to think if there is any such thing as justice the RTP will be exposed for what they are concerning this terrible investigation, much as the previous government was for their botched rule.

I imagine there were similar botched investigations of serious crimes under the PTP and/or Democrat rule but in the nine years I have been in Thailand I don't remember another one receiving so much attention.

Is it because the RTP were expected (allowed ?) to behave in this manner before, but not now under the new government ?

Edited November 6, 2014 by mikemac

[jdinasia]

QUOTE

"Official" (like in paid) is the main word here!!

Haven't you missed the point? How ludicrous is it to say the lack of his DNA presence absolves him of the murder? It may absolve him of the rape, but even that may not be sure--if he did not ejaculate, would his DNA be present?

You are missing his sarcasm, and cells other than semen have DNA.

[angiolo]

COY.....Well I am coy replying to this , I do not want to spend 5 years in a Thai prison.So RTP do not say anything that may put you in prison .Please do not be sad . NO WORRIES. These lads are so sorry that they will kill themselves before January. No court case for you to cock up.