Poll: Most Thais support NCPO

[jollyman]

Generals? Same Same nothing changes or ever will in this banna republic

[chrisrazz]

These days, every time I read a thread on this site, an image of Nelson Muntz enters my mind, complete with his catch cry 'Ha Ha'.

[Thailand]

At some point, most red-shirts are going to realise that people ARE happier under this junta than they were under the last bunch of criminals.

There are some, however who live in a state of bitter denial. They tend to be the ones who post a lot on the forums - doubtless foaming at the mouth while they do it.

That "foaming at the mouth" bit made me laught seeing that it came from a rabid junta fanatic. By the way, for reasons I won't go into, I wish you'd change your username.

No need for toilet humour!

[ginjag]

At some point, most red-shirts are going to realise that people ARE happier under this junta than they were under the last bunch of criminals.

There are some, however who live in a state of bitter denial. They tend to be the ones who post a lot on the forums - doubtless foaming at the mouth while they do it.

That "foaming at the mouth" bit made me laught seeing that it came from a rabid junta fanatic. By the way, for reasons I won't go into, I wish you'd change your username.

No need for toilet humour!

It's you that's BOGGED down with the same rhetoric, Attack all and sundry but not the last real regime. Denial for sure. Jesimps--we do not hear much from you and astonished how quick you picked up this anti PM stuff....have you been co-opted into the fold.

A point of off topic. Interesting to view most of the apologist/propaganda merchants that are anti PM , do not show any profile material ?? I wonder why ?? But understand it is an option. Just saying-observation.

Edited November 9, 2014 by ginjag

[metisdead]

Some more posts that were in violation of the NOTICE TO MEMBERS POSTING IN THAILAND NEWS have been removed.

[Fat Haggis]

So expats with opinions here on TVF that don't support the coup are the ones who caused the censorship problems?

So any expat who doesn't agree with the coup, or the Junta are "problem children" in your eyes then Ginjag?

I don't think I've read anything so absurd from you in a long time!! Did you forget that staging a coup is actully A crime?

Very clever editing on your part too using brackets, you seem to have a problem with expats who don't support the coup, forgetting one simple thing, it's their right to do so, having opposing views on the Juntas polls and policies doesn't make one a Shin or a red eirher, but not according to you!!

What your showing is utter contempt for other peoples opinion that differ from you, you can cheerlead the Junta all you want, I'm sure the PM knows you're his number 1 Farang fan, and he sends you tweets to say thanks for sticking up for him!!!

You keep using the word "propaganda" about some posters including me, and yet you fail to see the irony in your own posts which would make Herr Goebels bounce up and down with delight!!

You then use the words like Gang, look up the definition, I avoid labelling people as best as I can as what I see are individual personal opinions, that doesn't make them a gang, clan or a club, most posters don't socialise with others here to be classed as a "gang" but you crack on, call them what you like, it's your prerogative, but it doesnt mean your correct.

When the PM and his Junta do something of noteworthy significance they will get praised, but if they keep up with their "darker" side, they will be "talked about in a less than favourable light"

Don't blame the expats with different opinions for causing the problem as you so eloquently put it, but just by responding, your keeping the fire stoked so to speak ?

Expats didn't cause the political problems on Thailand , inept and greedy and corrupt Thais did that all by themselves, and that gives us expats a talking point nothing more!! ?

[Thanet]

With ll these polls, who needs an election?

[ginjag]

So expats with opinions here on TVF that don't support the coup are the ones who caused the censorship problems?

So any expat who doesn't agree with the coup, or the Junta are "problem children" in your eyes then Ginjag?

I don't think I've read anything so absurd from you in a long time!! Did you forget that staging a coup is actully A crime?

Very clever editing on your part too using brackets, you seem to have a problem with expats who don't support the coup, forgetting one simple thing, it's their right to do so, having opposing views on the Juntas polls and policies doesn't make one a Shin or a red eirher, but not according to you!!

What your showing is utter contempt for other peoples opinion that differ from you, you can cheerlead the Junta all you want, I'm sure the PM knows you're his number 1 Farang fan, and he sends you tweets to say thanks for sticking up for him!!!

You keep using the word "propaganda" about some posters including me, and yet you fail to see the irony in your own posts which would make Herr Goebels bounce up and down with delight!!

You then use the words like Gang, look up the definition, I avoid labelling people as best as I can as what I see are individual personal opinions, that doesn't make them a gang, clan or a club, most posters don't socialise with others here to be classed as a "gang" but you crack on, call them what you like, it's your prerogative, but it doesnt mean your correct.

When the PM and his Junta do something of noteworthy significance they will get praised, but if they keep up with their "darker" side, they will be "talked about in a less than favourable light"

Don't blame the expats with different opinions for causing the problem as you so eloquently put it, but just by responding, your keeping the fire stoked so to speak ?

Expats didn't cause the political problems on Thailand , inept and greedy and corrupt Thais did that all by themselves, and that gives us expats a talking point nothing more!! ?

Nothing to do with individuals supporting the INTERVENTION or not supporting it, it's how we go about conducting ourselves in a civilized fashion.

It's nothing to do with REDS YELLOWS it is an attitude problem.---Especially when referring to ex Nazi people--here lies part of your problem.

When have YOU praised anything re the PM ?? I have opposed some decisions, but these get un-noticed with the clans relentless barrage against the PM.

I do not blame the ex-pats with different opinions, I pointed out the pre programmed rhetoric (which seems to be the same, from the same dozen hard core)

Your last paragraph is brilliant.

The darker side---what do you know about the darker side---I thought all news was gagged ??

My main point has been all along, TVF used to be individual opinions and most still are BUT----check out the apologists profiles--blank. in general.

some thing to hide.

Look at most of the older members--they give friendly profiles.

Simple fact is I loathed the Shins style, and disliked the military style BUT it IS better SURE, whether it is against democracy principles or not, it is rocky for sure but cleaner in general governing.-----UNTIL we get cleaned up THIS IS THE PROBLEM that these clan members do not recognize ---it is bash bash bash everyday without any acknowledgement of anything that is moving forward.

[ExPratt]

Perhaps people don't put much on their profile because they are not conceited enough to believe people would be interested in it,What are you suggesting they are blank for ? Sounds very double think to me , the Juntas obviously having an influence

I respect your beliefs buddy but I have mine also and i am not allowed to express them. This is only my place of abode I am not a Thai and never will be, imo it would be wrong for me to support a military regime as it would be in my own country. Can you imagine if this happened in your own country and their were loads of non citizens saying what a wonderful event the overthrowing of an elected Government was ,

Edited November 9, 2014 by ExPratt

[ginjag]

Perhaps people don't put much on their profile because they are not conceited enough to believe people would be interested in it,What are you suggesting they are blank for ? Sounds very double think to me , the Juntas obviously having an influence

I respect your beliefs buddy but I have mine also and i am not allowed to express them. This is only my place of abode I am not a Thai and never will be, imo it would be wrong for me to support a military regime as it would be in my own country. Can you imagine if this happened in your own country and their were loads of non citizens saying what a wonderful event the overthrowing of an elected Government was ,

PROFILES--conceited ??? because they put their age nationality gender ???. to say that is ridiculous.

The Pm has no influence if you do not have any guilt.

At the time Mrs Thatchers lot were grounded and a clean up was needed I would have said if no other way was possible, Intervention SURE.

Your last sentence explains to me your in full denial of facts---lousy governance caused this problem --elections could never be held until Thailand made progress into the clean up.

Overthrowing an elected BUT undemocratic governing is correct no matter what country you come from. IN Thailands case elections could never solve this BS. If you think otherwise you have a problem Mr, Pratt.--(you chose the name not me)

[Fat Haggis]

Good lord Ginjag, the reference to Goebels is a reference to propaganda not nazism !! Most people associated Goebals to their propaganda machine, and in he was quite deft at it, same with Tokyo Rose.

Read your whole post again and tell me that's not propaganda ???

Now then are you now telling me what I should and should not be doing in praise of the General/PM ?

When I, not you, or anyone else find something worth praising I will do so, just who in the hell do you think you are to suggest that I should praise him more?

You're worse than any shin supporter, your what would be referred to in the days of old a collaborator !! Please keep your opinions on the Junta and the PM to yourself I'm not here to read up on grown mans adulation when I personally don't see why you should either !!

The whole Thai political issue and poor governance has always been an issue since you arrived here 30 years ago, and time and time and time again the Military stepped in, but you just can't see the common denominator through your own bitterness mate.

As for judging people by their profiles do you realise how weak and quite astounding that claim is ? So what if people profiles are blank, it's an option to fill them in, by asking if people have things to hide because they don't put pointless crap in their profiles,your making judgements against them? What gives you that right?

I will tell you what gives you that right, it's called freedom of expression, and TVF does it's best to be moderate whilst constrained by the current laws.

Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain.

Now TVF has to be more stricter, and I can't blame them, I am my own person, my views and opinions are mine, not my friends not my family, mine, nobody else is accountable for my posts either, just me. I don't care about other people who share similar views, that is Their choice, I do not need to be told what I can and cannot praise by a regular member such as yourself.

I follow the directions of the moderators and if I step out of line, they are the ones to take actions, that is how forums work.

You need to snap out of this if your not with us you're against us attitude, much the same about the reds and yellows, your a major offender in this Ginjag, you do realise people can form opinions and make their own minds up without having the need to take sides don't you?

That is the beauty of forums, there's people able to see outside of coloured margins, you should give if a try sometime.

I do not support any political or military faction as I have no say, my opinions are just that, MY opinions, nothing to do with gangs, clans or cliques. It's a shame you just can't accept the opinions good and bad of posters who have a different mindset as yours ?

[ExPratt]

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Perhaps people don't put much on their profile because they are not conceited enough to believe people would be interested in it,What are you suggesting they are blank for ? Sounds very double think to me , the Juntas obviously having an influence

I respect your beliefs buddy but I have mine also and i am not allowed to express them. This is only my place of abode I am not a Thai and never will be, imo it would be wrong for me to support a military regime as it would be in my own country. Can you imagine if this happened in your own country and their were loads of non citizens saying what a wonderful event the overthrowing of an elected Government was ,

PROFILES--conceited ??? because they put their age nationality gender ???. to say that is ridiculous.

The Pm has no influence if you do not have any guilt.

At the time Mrs Thatchers lot were grounded and a clean up was needed I would have said if no other way was possible, Intervention SURE.

Your last sentence explains to me your in full denial of facts---lousy governance caused this problem --elections could never be held until Thailand made progress into the clean up.

Overthrowing an elected BUT undemocratic governing is correct no matter what country you come from. IN Thailands case elections could never solve this BS. If you think otherwise you have a problem Mr, Pratt.--(you chose the name not me)

I meant life stories not the basic facts

So you would have supported a Military intervention by Thatcher ?, Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts about Pol Pot , Mao, Noriega, Batista, Pinochet, Mussolini ect . Their countries were in mess as well at time of Coup d'etat , I'm sure that people in those countries as well though it was necessary but then "Heavens" look what it evolved into

freedom of expression and speech is a very basic right in a democratic society , suppressing that is one of the first things all fascist and communist regimes do , why ? because it is the first act of subjugating the masses and choking opposition. "if we do not learn from our mistakes we are doomed to repeat them"

Edited November 9, 2014 by ExPratt

[ginjag]

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Perhaps people don't put much on their profile because they are not conceited enough to believe people would be interested in it,What are you suggesting they are blank for ? Sounds very double think to me , the Juntas obviously having an influence

I respect your beliefs buddy but I have mine also and i am not allowed to express them. This is only my place of abode I am not a Thai and never will be, imo it would be wrong for me to support a military regime as it would be in my own country. Can you imagine if this happened in your own country and their were loads of non citizens saying what a wonderful event the overthrowing of an elected Government was ,

PROFILES--conceited ??? because they put their age nationality gender ???. to say that is ridiculous.

The Pm has no influence if you do not have any guilt.

At the time Mrs Thatchers lot were grounded and a clean up was needed I would have said if no other way was possible, Intervention SURE.

Your last sentence explains to me your in full denial of facts---lousy governance caused this problem --elections could never be held until Thailand made progress into the clean up.

Overthrowing an elected BUT undemocratic governing is correct no matter what country you come from. IN Thailands case elections could never solve this BS. If you think otherwise you have a problem Mr, Pratt.--(you chose the name not me)

I meant life stories not the basic facts

So you would have supported a Military intervention by Thatcher ?, Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts about Pol Pot , Mao, Noriega, Batista, Pinochet, Mussolini ect . Their countries were in mess as well at time of Coup d'etat , I'm sure that people in those countries as well though it was necessary but then "Heavens" look what it evolved into

freedom of expression and speech is a very basic right in a democratic society , suppressing that is one of the first things all fascist and communist regimes do , why ? because it is the first act of suppressing the masses. "if we do not learn from our mistakes we are doomed to repeat them"

Your last Quoted sentence, speaks volumes---SHINS PTP.

[baboon]

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Perhaps people don't put much on their profile because they are not conceited enough to believe people would be interested in it,What are you suggesting they are blank for ? Sounds very double think to me , the Juntas obviously having an influence

I respect your beliefs buddy but I have mine also and i am not allowed to express them. This is only my place of abode I am not a Thai and never will be, imo it would be wrong for me to support a military regime as it would be in my own country. Can you imagine if this happened in your own country and their were loads of non citizens saying what a wonderful event the overthrowing of an elected Government was ,

PROFILES--conceited ??? because they put their age nationality gender ???. to say that is ridiculous.

The Pm has no influence if you do not have any guilt.

At the time Mrs Thatchers lot were grounded and a clean up was needed I would have said if no other way was possible, Intervention SURE.

Your last sentence explains to me your in full denial of facts---lousy governance caused this problem --elections could never be held until Thailand made progress into the clean up.

Overthrowing an elected BUT undemocratic governing is correct no matter what country you come from. IN Thailands case elections could never solve this BS. If you think otherwise you have a problem Mr, Pratt.--(you chose the name not me)

I meant life stories not the basic facts

So you would have supported a Military intervention by Thatcher ?, Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts about Pol Pot , Mao, Noriega, Batista, Pinochet, Mussolini ect . Their countries were in mess as well at time of Coup d'etat , I'm sure that people in those countries as well though it was necessary but then "Heavens" look what it evolved into

freedom of expression and speech is a very basic right in a democratic society , suppressing that is one of the first things all fascist and communist regimes do , why ? because it is the first act of suppressing the masses. "if we do not learn from our mistakes we are doomed to repeat them"

Just a great bunch of lads - look at Pol Pot's winning smile and love of children, for example - who intervened to restore happiness to their people. It is amazing how much negative publicity their selfless acts received...

[Fat Haggis]

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Perhaps people don't put much on their profile because they are not conceited enough to believe people would be interested in it,What are you suggesting they are blank for ? Sounds very double think to me , the Juntas obviously having an influence

I respect your beliefs buddy but I have mine also and i am not allowed to express them. This is only my place of abode I am not a Thai and never will be, imo it would be wrong for me to support a military regime as it would be in my own country. Can you imagine if this happened in your own country and their were loads of non citizens saying what a wonderful event the overthrowing of an elected Government was ,

PROFILES--conceited ??? because they put their age nationality gender ???. to say that is ridiculous.

The Pm has no influence if you do not have any guilt.

At the time Mrs Thatchers lot were grounded and a clean up was needed I would have said if no other way was possible, Intervention SURE.

Your last sentence explains to me your in full denial of facts---lousy governance caused this problem --elections could never be held until Thailand made progress into the clean up.

Overthrowing an elected BUT undemocratic governing is correct no matter what country you come from. IN Thailands case elections could never solve this BS. If you think otherwise you have a problem Mr, Pratt.--(you chose the name not me)

I meant life stories not the basic facts

So you would have supported a Military intervention by Thatcher ?, Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts about Pol Pot , Mao, Noriega, Batista, Pinochet, Mussolini ect . Their countries were in mess as well at time of Coup d'etat , I'm sure that people in those countries as well though it was necessary but then "Heavens" look what it evolved into

freedom of expression and speech is a very basic right in a democratic society , suppressing that is one of the first things all fascist and communist regimes do , why ? because it is the first act of suppressing the masses. "if we do not learn from our mistakes we are doomed to repeat them"

Your last Quoted sentence, speaks volumes---SHINS PTP.

What Thai organisation has been the common denominator since 1930' that has been repeating the same mistakes 19 times now?

Here's a hint for you Ginjag ....it's got nothing to do with the Shins!!!

[ginjag]

Good lord Ginjag, the reference to Goebels is a reference to propaganda not nazism !! Most people associated Goebals to their propaganda machine, and in he was quite deft at it, same with Tokyo Rose.

Read your whole post again and tell me that's not propaganda ???

Now then are you now telling me what I should and should not be doing in praise of the General/PM ?

When I, not you, or anyone else find something worth praising I will do so, just who in the hell do you think you are to suggest that I should praise him more?

You're worse than any shin supporter, your what would be referred to in the days of old a collaborator !! Please keep your opinions on the Junta and the PM to yourself I'm not here to read up on grown mans adulation when I personally don't see why you should either !!

The whole Thai political issue and poor governance has always been an issue since you arrived here 30 years ago, and time and time and time again the Military stepped in, but you just can't see the common denominator through your own bitterness mate.

As for judging people by their profiles do you realise how weak and quite astounding that claim is ? So what if people profiles are blank, it's an option to fill them in, by asking if people have things to hide because they don't put pointless crap in their profiles,your making judgements against them? What gives you that right?

I will tell you what gives you that right, it's called freedom of expression, and TVF does it's best to be moderate whilst constrained by the current laws.

Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain.

Now TVF has to be more stricter, and I can't blame them, I am my own person, my views and opinions are mine, not my friends not my family, mine, nobody else is accountable for my posts either, just me. I don't care about other people who share similar views, that is Their choice, I do not need to be told what I can and cannot praise by a regular member such as yourself.

I follow the directions of the moderators and if I step out of line, they are the ones to take actions, that is how forums work.

You need to snap out of this if your not with us you're against us attitude, much the same about the reds and yellows, your a major offender in this Ginjag, you do realise people can form opinions and make their own minds up without having the need to take sides don't you?

That is the beauty of forums, there's people able to see outside of coloured margins, you should give if a try sometime.

I do not support any political or military faction as I have no say, my opinions are just that, MY opinions, nothing to do with gangs, clans or cliques. It's a shame you just can't accept the opinions good and bad of posters who have a different mindset as yours ?

My post is not propaganda as I am going along with the Intervention, oppose when needed and roll on regardless.

I did not try to tell you when you should oppose or should not.

My bitterness as you put it is that Thailand has no idea and does not care who is governing as long as their daily life is unaffected.

The last regime showed some difference the PM not much.

Will you stop the lecture about me trying to control your view. ridiculous .You are the one that is big wig at lecturing----Quote "you need to snap"

You may well not be among the hardcore---you are unable to recognize it------I will ask you When was the occasions you approved anything the PM did??? that's all, I have stated on forum--look up the posts if you want to find them. things I oppose. I do not lick their backsides and will never be in favour of MOST interventions This one YES.

[emilymat]

I was bitterly opposed to Mrs Thatcher in the 80's. However, to suggest a military takeover at the time is absurd - if that is what was suggested, as I don't understand the 'grounded' reference.

In the UK all it takes is a vote of 'no confidence' in parliament to force an election. Surely, that has to be better than using tanks.

I doubt there will be any such vote in Thailand at the moment.

Curiously enough, it was a military dictator who saved Mrs Thatcher, who, just prior to the Falkland's conflict, was the most unpopular PM ever. Ironic.

[brucec64]

Perhaps people don't put much on their profile because they are not conceited enough to believe people would be interested in it,What are you suggesting they are blank for ? Sounds very double think to me , the Juntas obviously having an influence

I respect your beliefs buddy but I have mine also and i am not allowed to express them. This is only my place of abode I am not a Thai and never will be, imo it would be wrong for me to support a military regime as it would be in my own country. Can you imagine if this happened in your own country and their were loads of non citizens saying what a wonderful event the overthrowing of an elected Government was ,

PROFILES--conceited ??? because they put their age nationality gender ???. to say that is ridiculous.

The Pm has no influence if you do not have any guilt.

At the time Mrs Thatchers lot were grounded and a clean up was needed I would have said if no other way was possible, Intervention SURE.

Your last sentence explains to me your in full denial of facts---lousy governance caused this problem --elections could never be held until Thailand made progress into the clean up.

Overthrowing an elected BUT undemocratic governing is correct no matter what country you come from. IN Thailands case elections could never solve this BS. If you think otherwise you have a problem Mr, Pratt.--(you chose the name not me)

I think you completely miss the point of martial law. ML allows for 7 days detention without charge or trial. So, yes, the PM has a lot of power even if you are not guilty of a single thing. You only need to look as far as the re education camps to see that this power is being used on a daily basis.

[Baerboxer]

Believing this poll is only a little less absurd than gauging the PTP's popularity on an election from over 3 years ago.

Well done to the most popular PM in the last decade.

I would have given them 10/10 for stopping a civil war, but the 7% minority would never have had the backing ergo why I gave them 10/10 for stopping terrorism against women and children in Bangkok.

They have stopped the 10 year civil war in the south already?

Somebody needs to tell the press this most excellent news!!!

A terrorist insurgency is not the same as a civil war. And I suspect you know the difference.

[brucec64]

Good lord Ginjag, the reference to Goebels is a reference to propaganda not nazism !! Most people associated Goebals to their propaganda machine, and in he was quite deft at it, same with Tokyo Rose.

Read your whole post again and tell me that's not propaganda ???

Now then are you now telling me what I should and should not be doing in praise of the General/PM ?

When I, not you, or anyone else find something worth praising I will do so, just who in the hell do you think you are to suggest that I should praise him more?

You're worse than any shin supporter, your what would be referred to in the days of old a collaborator !! Please keep your opinions on the Junta and the PM to yourself I'm not here to read up on grown mans adulation when I personally don't see why you should either !!

The whole Thai political issue and poor governance has always been an issue since you arrived here 30 years ago, and time and time and time again the Military stepped in, but you just can't see the common denominator through your own bitterness mate.

As for judging people by their profiles do you realise how weak and quite astounding that claim is ? So what if people profiles are blank, it's an option to fill them in, by asking if people have things to hide because they don't put pointless crap in their profiles,your making judgements against them? What gives you that right?

I will tell you what gives you that right, it's called freedom of expression, and TVF does it's best to be moderate whilst constrained by the current laws.

Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain.

Now TVF has to be more stricter, and I can't blame them, I am my own person, my views and opinions are mine, not my friends not my family, mine, nobody else is accountable for my posts either, just me. I don't care about other people who share similar views, that is Their choice, I do not need to be told what I can and cannot praise by a regular member such as yourself.

I follow the directions of the moderators and if I step out of line, they are the ones to take actions, that is how forums work.

You need to snap out of this if your not with us you're against us attitude, much the same about the reds and yellows, your a major offender in this Ginjag, you do realise people can form opinions and make their own minds up without having the need to take sides don't you?

That is the beauty of forums, there's people able to see outside of coloured margins, you should give if a try sometime.

I do not support any political or military faction as I have no say, my opinions are just that, MY opinions, nothing to do with gangs, clans or cliques. It's a shame you just can't accept the opinions good and bad of posters who have a different mindset as yours

My post is not propaganda as I am going along with the Intervention, oppose when needed and roll on regardless.

I did not try to tell you when you should oppose or should not.

My bitterness as you put it is that Thailand has no idea and does not care who is governing as long as their daily life is unaffected.

The last regime showed some difference the PM not much.

Will you stop the lecture about me trying to control your view. ridiculous .You are the one that is big wig at lecturing----Quote "you need to snap"

You may well not be among the hardcore---you are unable to recognize it------I will ask you When was the occasions you approved anything the PM did??? that's all, I have stated on forum--look up the posts if you want to find them. things I oppose. I do not lick their backsides and will never be in favour of MOST interventions This one YES.

Your post is propoganda as long as you keep using the term intervention.

[Baerboxer]

I was bitterly opposed to Mrs Thatcher in the 80's. However, to suggest a military takeover at the time is absurd - if that is what was suggested, as I don't understand the 'grounded' reference.

In the UK all it takes is a vote of 'no confidence' in parliament to force an election. Surely, that has to be better than using tanks.

I doubt there will be any such vote in Thailand at the moment.

Curiously enough, it was a military dictator who saved Mrs Thatcher, who, just prior to the Falkland's conflict, was the most unpopular PM ever. Ironic.

Ignoring political views, which differ widely. In the UK, your are largely free and able to protest if you don't like the government. As you say, a vote of no confidence will force an election. Governments, or opposition for that matter, do not condone, possibly orchestrate and turn a blind eye to murders, violent attacks and open intimidation of those that oppose them. Governments, mostly abide by the law.

In Thailand, a government hangs on to power at all costs, regardless of consequences, does nothing to stop murders and attacks on its opponents and refuses to abide by the law.

Different scenarios.

[ginjag]

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PROFILES--conceited ??? because they put their age nationality gender ???. to say that is ridiculous.

The Pm has no influence if you do not have any guilt.

At the time Mrs Thatchers lot were grounded and a clean up was needed I would have said if no other way was possible, Intervention SURE.

Your last sentence explains to me your in full denial of facts---lousy governance caused this problem --elections could never be held until Thailand made progress into the clean up.

Overthrowing an elected BUT undemocratic governing is correct no matter what country you come from. IN Thailands case elections could never solve this BS. If you think otherwise you have a problem Mr, Pratt.--(you chose the name not me)

I meant life stories not the basic facts

So you would have supported a Military intervention by Thatcher ?, Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts about Pol Pot , Mao, Noriega, Batista, Pinochet, Mussolini ect . Their countries were in mess as well at time of Coup d'etat , I'm sure that people in those countries as well though it was necessary but then "Heavens" look what it evolved into

freedom of expression and speech is a very basic right in a democratic society , suppressing that is one of the first things all fascist and communist regimes do , why ? because it is the first act of suppressing the masses. "if we do not learn from our mistakes we are doomed to repeat them"

Your last Quoted sentence, speaks volumes---SHINS PTP.

What Thai organisation has been the common denominator since 1930' that has been repeating the same mistakes 19 times now?

Here's a hint for you Ginjag ....it's got nothing to do with the Shins!!!

Please take note Mr. denial---I was answering re his last sentence--------nothing more---twisting it again. Bouncing back with a non propaganda remark--- JOKE.

[ginjag]

Good lord Ginjag, the reference to Goebels is a reference to propaganda not nazism !! Most people associated Goebals to their propaganda machine, and in he was quite deft at it, same with Tokyo Rose.

Read your whole post again and tell me that's not propaganda ???

Now then are you now telling me what I should and should not be doing in praise of the General/PM ?

When I, not you, or anyone else find something worth praising I will do so, just who in the hell do you think you are to suggest that I should praise him more?

You're worse than any shin supporter, your what would be referred to in the days of old a collaborator !! Please keep your opinions on the Junta and the PM to yourself I'm not here to read up on grown mans adulation when I personally don't see why you should either !!

The whole Thai political issue and poor governance has always been an issue since you arrived here 30 years ago, and time and time and time again the Military stepped in, but you just can't see the common denominator through your own bitterness mate.

As for judging people by their profiles do you realise how weak and quite astounding that claim is ? So what if people profiles are blank, it's an option to fill them in, by asking if people have things to hide because they don't put pointless crap in their profiles,your making judgements against them? What gives you that right?

I will tell you what gives you that right, it's called freedom of expression, and TVF does it's best to be moderate whilst constrained by the current laws.

Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain.

Now TVF has to be more stricter, and I can't blame them, I am my own person, my views and opinions are mine, not my friends not my family, mine, nobody else is accountable for my posts either, just me. I don't care about other people who share similar views, that is Their choice, I do not need to be told what I can and cannot praise by a regular member such as yourself.

I follow the directions of the moderators and if I step out of line, they are the ones to take actions, that is how forums work.

You need to snap out of this if your not with us you're against us attitude, much the same about the reds and yellows, your a major offender in this Ginjag, you do realise people can form opinions and make their own minds up without having the need to take sides don't you?

That is the beauty of forums, there's people able to see outside of coloured margins, you should give if a try sometime.

I do not support any political or military faction as I have no say, my opinions are just that, MY opinions, nothing to do with gangs, clans or cliques. It's a shame you just can't accept the opinions good and bad of posters who have a different mindset as yours

My post is not propaganda as I am going along with the Intervention, oppose when needed and roll on regardless.

I did not try to tell you when you should oppose or should not.

My bitterness as you put it is that Thailand has no idea and does not care who is governing as long as their daily life is unaffected.

The last regime showed some difference the PM not much.

Will you stop the lecture about me trying to control your view. ridiculous .You are the one that is big wig at lecturing----Quote "you need to snap"

You may well not be among the hardcore---you are unable to recognize it------I will ask you When was the occasions you approved anything the PM did??? that's all, I have stated on forum--look up the posts if you want to find them. things I oppose. I do not lick their backsides and will never be in favour of MOST interventions This one YES.

Your post is propoganda as long as you keep using the term intervention.

Not at all Mr. denial, just a saving of street war--simple.-----------and lousy-defunct governing------don't get it ???

[RubbaJohnny]

Does anyone over the age of 3 believe a contrary poll result would be published.

Obama unpopular,Cameron must go,Spanish princess in the dock this is what one reads in non fascist states.

It seems re education is being aimed at the wrong end of the hegemony

[Baerboxer]

Good lord Ginjag, the reference to Goebels is a reference to propaganda not nazism !! Most people associated Goebals to their propaganda machine, and in he was quite deft at it, same with Tokyo Rose.

Read your whole post again and tell me that's not propaganda ???

Now then are you now telling me what I should and should not be doing in praise of the General/PM ?

When I, not you, or anyone else find something worth praising I will do so, just who in the hell do you think you are to suggest that I should praise him more?

You're worse than any shin supporter, your what would be referred to in the days of old a collaborator !! Please keep your opinions on the Junta and the PM to yourself I'm not here to read up on grown mans adulation when I personally don't see why you should either !!

The whole Thai political issue and poor governance has always been an issue since you arrived here 30 years ago, and time and time and time again the Military stepped in, but you just can't see the common denominator through your own bitterness mate.

As for judging people by their profiles do you realise how weak and quite astounding that claim is ? So what if people profiles are blank, it's an option to fill them in, by asking if people have things to hide because they don't put pointless crap in their profiles,your making judgements against them? What gives you that right?

I will tell you what gives you that right, it's called freedom of expression, and TVF does it's best to be moderate whilst constrained by the current laws.

Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain.

Now TVF has to be more stricter, and I can't blame them, I am my own person, my views and opinions are mine, not my friends not my family, mine, nobody else is accountable for my posts either, just me. I don't care about other people who share similar views, that is Their choice, I do not need to be told what I can and cannot praise by a regular member such as yourself.

I follow the directions of the moderators and if I step out of line, they are the ones to take actions, that is how forums work.

You need to snap out of this if your not with us you're against us attitude, much the same about the reds and yellows, your a major offender in this Ginjag, you do realise people can form opinions and make their own minds up without having the need to take sides don't you?

That is the beauty of forums, there's people able to see outside of coloured margins, you should give if a try sometime.

I do not support any political or military faction as I have no say, my opinions are just that, MY opinions, nothing to do with gangs, clans or cliques. It's a shame you just can't accept the opinions good and bad of posters who have a different mindset as yours ?

"Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain."

Not strictly true old fruit. PTP tried to suppress free speech on social media, via the Compute Crime Laws. A senior police officer from that division even announced that just clicking on like on an article criticizing the ruling administration was a crime (think his name was Pisit). PTP also like to issue defamation suits (cartoonist for one) or use Director Tarit to threaten with all sorts of draconian punishments for laws he's just made up. Some critics even disappeared or got murder by their drivers, allegedly.

I don't believe it was better, or worse, before. Just a different team using different tactics, with the same goals.

[attrayant]

What will happen to the remaining 10.1 percent? Will they get arrested?

Seems like a no-brainer.

[brucec64]

Good lord Ginjag, the reference to Goebels is a reference to propaganda not nazism !! Most people associated Goebals to their propaganda machine, and in he was quite deft at it, same with Tokyo Rose.

Read your whole post again and tell me that's not propaganda ???

Now then are you now telling me what I should and should not be doing in praise of the General/PM ?

When I, not you, or anyone else find something worth praising I will do so, just who in the hell do you think you are to suggest that I should praise him more?

You're worse than any shin supporter, your what would be referred to in the days of old a collaborator !! Please keep your opinions on the Junta and the PM to yourself I'm not here to read up on grown mans adulation when I personally don't see why you should either !!

The whole Thai political issue and poor governance has always been an issue since you arrived here 30 years ago, and time and time and time again the Military stepped in, but you just can't see the common denominator through your own bitterness mate.

As for judging people by their profiles do you realise how weak and quite astounding that claim is ? So what if people profiles are blank, it's an option to fill them in, by asking if people have things to hide because they don't put pointless crap in their profiles,your making judgements against them? What gives you that right?

I will tell you what gives you that right, it's called freedom of expression, and TVF does it's best to be moderate whilst constrained by the current laws.

Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain.

Now TVF has to be more stricter, and I can't blame them, I am my own person, my views and opinions are mine, not my friends not my family, mine, nobody else is accountable for my posts either, just me. I don't care about other people who share similar views, that is Their choice, I do not need to be told what I can and cannot praise by a regular member such as yourself.

I follow the directions of the moderators and if I step out of line, they are the ones to take actions, that is how forums work.

You need to snap out of this if your not with us you're against us attitude, much the same about the reds and yellows, your a major offender in this Ginjag, you do realise people can form opinions and make their own minds up without having the need to take sides don't you?

That is the beauty of forums, there's people able to see outside of coloured margins, you should give if a try sometime.

I do not support any political or military faction as I have no say, my opinions are just that, MY opinions, nothing to do with gangs, clans or cliques. It's a shame you just can't accept the opinions good and bad of posters who have a different mindset as yours

My post is not propaganda as I am going along with the Intervention, oppose when needed and roll on regardless.

I did not try to tell you when you should oppose or should not.

My bitterness as you put it is that Thailand has no idea and does not care who is governing as long as their daily life is unaffected.

The last regime showed some difference the PM not much.

Will you stop the lecture about me trying to control your view. ridiculous .You are the one that is big wig at lecturing----Quote "you need to snap"

You may well not be among the hardcore---you are unable to recognize it------I will ask you When was the occasions you approved anything the PM did??? that's all, I have stated on forum--look up the posts if you want to find them. things I oppose. I do not lick their backsides and will never be in favour of MOST interventions This one YES.

Your post is propoganda as long as you keep using the term intervention.

Not at all Mr. denial, just a saving of street war--simple.-----------and lousy-defunct governing------don't get it ???

A naive observer who is spoon fed the daily propoganda would come to that conclusion, but apply a level of critical thinking to the events leading to the "intervention" and you will see a series of orchestrated events leading to the bangkok population being amenable to a coup. Look back 8 years and you will see a remarkably similar series of events leading up to that coup.

The coup play book was written many years ago and has been executed many times.

[Eric Loh]

Good lord Ginjag, the reference to Goebels is a reference to propaganda not nazism !! Most people associated Goebals to their propaganda machine, and in he was quite deft at it, same with Tokyo Rose.

Read your whole post again and tell me that's not propaganda ???

Now then are you now telling me what I should and should not be doing in praise of the General/PM ?

When I, not you, or anyone else find something worth praising I will do so, just who in the hell do you think you are to suggest that I should praise him more?

You're worse than any shin supporter, your what would be referred to in the days of old a collaborator !! Please keep your opinions on the Junta and the PM to yourself I'm not here to read up on grown mans adulation when I personally don't see why you should either !!

The whole Thai political issue and poor governance has always been an issue since you arrived here 30 years ago, and time and time and time again the Military stepped in, but you just can't see the common denominator through your own bitterness mate.

As for judging people by their profiles do you realise how weak and quite astounding that claim is ? So what if people profiles are blank, it's an option to fill them in, by asking if people have things to hide because they don't put pointless crap in their profiles,your making judgements against them? What gives you that right?

I will tell you what gives you that right, it's called freedom of expression, and TVF does it's best to be moderate whilst constrained by the current laws.

Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain.

Now TVF has to be more stricter, and I can't blame them, I am my own person, my views and opinions are mine, not my friends not my family, mine, nobody else is accountable for my posts either, just me. I don't care about other people who share similar views, that is Their choice, I do not need to be told what I can and cannot praise by a regular member such as yourself.

I follow the directions of the moderators and if I step out of line, they are the ones to take actions, that is how forums work.

You need to snap out of this if your not with us you're against us attitude, much the same about the reds and yellows, your a major offender in this Ginjag, you do realise people can form opinions and make their own minds up without having the need to take sides don't you?

That is the beauty of forums, there's people able to see outside of coloured margins, you should give if a try sometime.

I do not support any political or military faction as I have no say, my opinions are just that, MY opinions, nothing to do with gangs, clans or cliques. It's a shame you just can't accept the opinions good and bad of posters who have a different mindset as yours ?

"Before Martial law it was BETTER as there was no fear of being banned for having opposing opinions to the mainstream, it was BETTER before, as EVERYONE was fair game for criticism no matter how high up on the political good chain."

Not strictly true old fruit. PTP tried to suppress free speech on social media, via the Compute Crime Laws. A senior police officer from that division even announced that just clicking on like on an article criticizing the ruling administration was a crime (think his name was Pisit). PTP also like to issue defamation suits (cartoonist for one) or use Director Tarit to threaten with all sorts of draconian punishments for laws he's just made up. Some critics even disappeared or got murder by their drivers, allegedly.

I don't believe it was better, or worse, before. Just a different team using different tactics, with the same goals.

Your reference of Pol. Maj. Gen Pisit is totally wrong and quoted to suit your argument. What he did was warning social media on putting the country into a state of panic by posting messages of impending coup and stressed the need to stock on necessities. There really no supression of free speech in connection with the CCL except those relating to LM. What the PT government was maintaining the anarchronistic law which skyrocketed after the '06 coup and during Ahbisit government; infamous for the number of websites been banned and teams to monitor the dissent.

[Fat Haggis]

Believing this poll is only a little less absurd than gauging the PTP's popularity on an election from over 3 years ago.

Well done to the most popular PM in the last decade.

I would have given them 10/10 for stopping a civil war, but the 7% minority would never have had the backing ergo why I gave them 10/10 for stopping terrorism against women and children in Bangkok.

They have stopped the 10 year civil war in the south already?

Somebody needs to tell the press this most excellent news!!!

A terrorist insurgency is not the same as a civil war. And I suspect you know the difference.

And I suspect you would then appreciate that the vast majority of the red shirt population were not about to head off into some kind of civil war ?

Google Thailand a civil war, and then explain to the rest of the forum why an insurgency is far different from what all the news papers Media outlets prefer to define the insurgency down South as a civil war.

I DO know the difference, I have first hand experience and that's why I have stated on many an occasion that Thailand wasn't anywhere near being involved in a civil war, where one part of the population is engaged in open hostilities against the other.

Now you might say that's what the redshirt sweets doing, no it wasn't it was an element of scum within the redshirts, but let's not kid ourselves on, there are trouble makers on all sides of any political divide.

Civil war is neighbour against neighbour brother against brother, I'm pretty sure actually that can easily describe the ongoing insurgency/ war in the South don't you? ?

[jayboy]

it's amazing how many people on here praise the junta, yet if the same kind of government situation was happening in their own countries, they would be crying foul so quickly....*sigh* sometimes you cannot win with the apologists

Yes it is rather surprising.There is a further odd twist.Many of the foreign supporters of the Junta and its puppet government seem to be indifferent or unaware they are backing the interests of a small upper class elite.Yet in a UK context ( I am assuming from their subliterate posts snd whining demeanor they are mostly lower middle class UKIP types) they are the first to be complaining of Tory poshboys and elite arrogance.It doesnt really compute and I suppose living in Thailand gives them the chance to identify with a ruling class denied to them at home.