Falkland Islands are Argentine signs 'regrettable'

[Lite Beer]

Falkland Islands are Argentine signs 'regrettable'

Argentina's decision to display signs expressing the country's claim over the Falklands is "regrettable", a diplomatic source has said.

A law passed by the Argentine Congress says public transport must have signs saying "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" (the Falkland Islands are Argentine).

The Argentine MP behind the initiative said it would reflect "our undeniable sovereignty" over the islands.

But the source said the move was a "hostile course of action".

The move was introduced as part of a wider raft of public transport reforms which were passed unanimously on Thursday.

Read More: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30149799

-- BBC 2014-11-22

[Mister Fixit]

Keep your hands off the Falklands, Argies!

[BritManToo]

Oh dear, are things so bad in the UK, they need a new bogus war to prevent civil unrest.

[daveAustin]

^^ Eh? Re-read the op, it is the Argies that are stirring, again. As everyone knows, Argentina is in dire straits; their politicians will do anything to deflect, the FALKLAND'S (discovered by the Brits 150 years before Argentina was even a nation -- a region stolen from natives by the Spanish, btw) being a good bet.

[Tatsujin]

Come back Maggie! We might need you again soon ...

[angiud]

Anachronistic dispute

[leon9mm]

Oh dear, are things so bad in the UK, they need a new bogus war to prevent civil unrest.

You mean Argentina not uk ..

[klauskunkel]

Just make your own signs:

"Argentina wants to be bitch-slapped, again"

[Scott]

Didn't the people of the Islands have a referendum or vote on this issue at one point in time?

[simple1]

Didn't the people of the Islands have a referendum or vote on this issue at one point in time?

Yes, in early 2013, but a foregone conclusion would vote to remain a British Overseas Territory.

There have been major oil discoveries that are planned to go into production in 2017, so matters may hot up...

http://world.time.com/2013/03/11/is-the-falkland-islands-referendum-a-farce-or-a-landmark-moment/

[cruisemonkey]

Top Gear's 2014 'invasion' of Argentina certainly didn't work very well.

[louse1953]

Oh dear, are things so bad in the UK, they need a new bogus war to prevent civil unrest.

The Poms are stuffed paying for the Malvinas.

[sanuk711]

Didn't the people of the Islands have a referendum or vote on this issue at one point in time?

Yes & wasn't that a fair & balanced out come--- ask just the British land owners on there .... Do you want things to remain as they are.

Yes mate was the surprised answer, in March 2013 by 99.8% (there still looking to hang the 1 guy that voted no).

Much the same vote was recorded in Gibraltar, a lump of rock that is actually join to Spain by a road, --this is part of England also, because just the people on the rock say so.

.

Something akin to asking the republican party only---who should be the next president.....fair & balanced.

[maximillian]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_Warhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_Warttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_Warquote name="klauskunkel" post="8704844" timestamp="1416623387"]

Just make your own signs:

"Argentina wants to be bitch-slapped, again"

bitch-slapped ? How many brit soldiers died in the last Falkland war ? How many brit ships lost ?

Any enemy can hit back hard.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War

Edited November 22, 2014 by maximillian

[Benmart]

Just make your own signs:

"Argentina wants to be bitch-slapped, again"

Tasteless sign.

[strapper1]

Just make your own signs:

"Argentina wants to be bitch-slapped, again"

Did he really say that? Is the moderator sleeping?

[Anon999]

Didn't the people of the Islands have a referendum or vote on this issue at one point in time?

Yes & wasn't that a fair & balanced out come--- ask just the British land owners on there .... Do you want things to remain as they are.

Yes mate was the surprised answer, in March 2013 by 99.8% (there still looking to hang the 1 guy that voted no).

Much the same vote was recorded in Gibraltar, a lump of rock that is actually join to Spain by a road, --this is part of England also, because just the people on the rock say so.

.

Something akin to asking the republican party only---who should be the next president.....fair & balanced.

Why didn't you include the Scottish referendum in your list? Try learning some history about both the Falklands and Gibraltar. Argentina was only interested in the political aspects in the 80's to divert attention from their internal problems and now for the same reason and because oil has been found on a commercial scale. The Spanish interest in Gib is political as there is no commercial benefit for them.

The comparison with your Republican party just about sums up how much you know about the subject.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Anon999

[Chicog]

Didn't the people of the Islands have a referendum or vote on this issue at one point in time?

Yes & wasn't that a fair & balanced out come--- ask just the British land owners on there .... Do you want things to remain as they are.

Yes mate was the surprised answer, in March 2013 by 99.8% (there still looking to hang the 1 guy that voted no).

Much the same vote was recorded in Gibraltar, a lump of rock that is actually join to Spain by a road, --this is part of England also, because just the people on the rock say so.

.

Something akin to asking the republican party only---who should be the next president.....fair & balanced.

Perhaps a quick taster on international law can help:

The UN maintains a list of 16 “Non-Self-Governing Territories” which it defines as “non-decolonised”. The Falkland Islands are among 10 former British colonies on the list, which the UN began compiling in 1946 as a kind of roll-call of shame for the remaining colonial powers.

But the UN recognises the right of those territories to self-determination. In other words, they can’t be forced to accept a change in sovereignty or national status if they don’t want it. The principle of “equal rights and self-determination of peoples” is one of the founding principles of the UN Charter and would appear to trump the competing interest of de-colonisation.

[Baerboxer]

Oh dear, are things so bad in the UK, they need a new bogus war to prevent civil unrest.

Read the post again, slowly.

As a keen student of history you will surely know that the Argentine Junta invaded the Falkland's to deflect attention at home away from the failing economy and fascist dictatorship of Glatieri.

The current corrupt, bankrupt regime running Argentina have a failed economy. debt defaults and are trying to defy American courts. Their plan to deflect public attention from their likely implosion, and reduce civil unrest - stir up patriotic false claims to the Falkland's, again. They just don't get it.

[Baerboxer]

Oh dear, are things so bad in the UK, they need a new bogus war to prevent civil unrest.

The Poms are stuffed paying for the Malvinas.

About time the "convicts" and sheep shaggers paid up for stealing Australia and Tasmania form the Aboriginal people.

Are you a native Spanish speaker or do you also refer to Tasmania as Van Diemen's Land?

Edited November 22, 2014 by Baerboxer

[cooked]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/02/oil-and-gas-falklands

Everything clear now?

Apart from that, sabre rattling is always a good way of winning votes, Argentina is in a bad way.

The last 'Argentinians' (no such country as Argentina then) on this group of islands accepted happily an offer from the British to be repatriated. They abandoned it.

There are other solutions to this problem than just demanding the UK just surrender this potentially very valuable piece of real estate to then Argies and evacuate the islands.

[Baerboxer]

Didn't the people of the Islands have a referendum or vote on this issue at one point in time?

Yes & wasn't that a fair & balanced out come--- ask just the British land owners on there .... Do you want things to remain as they are.

Yes mate was the surprised answer, in March 2013 by 99.8% (there still looking to hang the 1 guy that voted no).

Much the same vote was recorded in Gibraltar, a lump of rock that is actually join to Spain by a road, --this is part of England also, because just the people on the rock say so.

.

Something akin to asking the republican party only---who should be the next president.....fair & balanced.

Rubbish.

Would you want to join Spanish speaking economic disasters? Argentina - bankrupt, corrupt, wanting to make it's own rules up, and a nation forged by the Spaniards who stole the land, robbed and killed the locals. And Spain, the sick man of Europe. A former long term fascist dictatorship. Massive unemployment, rife with corruption. The Basques and the Catalans want out. Why would the people in Gibraltar want in?

France and Portugal are both joined to Spain by roads - perhaps you think that makes them Spanish too?

[Baerboxer]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_Warhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_Warttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_Warquote name="klauskunkel" post="8704844" timestamp="1416623387"]

Just make your own signs:

"Argentina wants to be bitch-slapped, again"

bitch-slapped ? How many brit soldiers died in the last Falkland war ? How many brit ships lost ?

Any enemy can hit back hard.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War

Considerably less than the Argentine's lost.

War is never a good thing. But, the Argies started it, and may well do so again.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Baerboxer

[sprq]

Didn't the people of the Islands have a referendum or vote on this issue at one point in time?

Yes & wasn't that a fair & balanced out come--- ask just the British land owners on there .... Do you want things to remain as they are.

Yes mate was the surprised answer, in March 2013 by 99.8% (there still looking to hang the 1 guy that voted no).

Much the same vote was recorded in Gibraltar, a lump of rock that is actually join to Spain by a road, --this is part of England also, because just the people on the rock say so.

.

Something akin to asking the republican party only---who should be the next president.....fair & balanced.

So you think that the ownership and government of sovereign territories should not be decided by the people who live there, but by other people somewhere else? You have a problem understanding democracy, evidently, as well as international law on self-determination.

[IAMHERE]

Just make your own signs:

"Argentina wants to be bitch-slapped, again"

Things change, demographics change, lessons get learned as well as taught, wouldn't be so easy these days if it could be done.

The islands are closer to Argentina than England. So the proposition is that the islands belong to England because there are English living there. Putin should claim the same about eastern Ukraine, Russian population so worth the motherland killing for them.

[klauskunkel]

Just make your own signs:

"Argentina wants to be bitch-slapped, again"

Did he really say that? Is the moderator sleeping?

Advice: if you don't know the meaning of some words, google them before you comment, otherwise you look stupid.

[Longstaff]

Oh dear, are things so bad in the UK, they need a new bogus war to prevent civil unrest.

The problem is that there are no Brits in Britain left to fight. They are all living expat somewhere else.

Looks like they will have to send all the Argentine expats there to fight instead.

The irony here is that in the last Falklands War, Maggie Thatcher and the UK Generals sent in the Welsh Guards (and others), overlooking the historical fact that much of southern Argentina was populated long ago by Welsh people seeking new lands to farm sheep. When Goose Green was finally taken and the Argentinian soldiers taken captive, the British soldiers in talking to their captives discovered they'd been shooting at their own (admittedly distant) relations.

I think for many people, and especially Argentinians, the geography somewhat speaks for itself because Port Stanley is just a wee bit closer to Buenos Aires than London. It's hard to believe that the British government gives a rats ____ about a handful of farmers (1516 people apparently) in the Southern Ocean (Maggie herself, for those who were not around at the time, had far more impact on the 20,000 coal miners she threw out of work back home). The mock sincerity about the wishes of the islanders only thinly veils the financial prospect of rich oil and mineral resources.

[MJP]

The moderator really wants to go to sleep. It's 05:20 here.

[mariner16]

Oh dear, are things so bad in the UK, they need a new bogus war to prevent civil unrest.

The problem is that there are no Brits in Britain left to fight. They are all living expat somewhere else.

Looks like they will have to send all the Argentine expats there to fight instead.

The irony here is that in the last Falklands War, Maggie Thatcher and the UK Generals sent in the Welsh Guards (and others), overlooking the historical fact that much of southern Argentina was populated long ago by Welsh people seeking new lands to farm sheep. When Goose Green was finally taken and the Argentinian soldiers taken captive, the British soldiers in talking to their captives discovered they'd been shooting at their own (admittedly distant) relations.

I think for many people, and especially Argentinians, the geography somewhat speaks for itself because Port Stanley is just a wee bit closer to Buenos Aires than London. It's hard to believe that the British government gives a rats ____ about a handful of farmers (1516 people apparently) in the Southern Ocean (Maggie herself, for those who were not around at the time, had far more impact on the 20,000 coal miners she threw out of work back home). The mock sincerity about the wishes of the islanders only thinly veils the financial prospect of rich oil and mineral resources.

The "wee bit closer" has become a problem since 1982, successive UK governments, starting with the government in power in 1982 and the ships returning from the South Atlantic, have allowed the Merchant Navy to be decimated by ship-owners intent only on profit, with their flag of convenience ships and foreign crews, that now there is no way to replicate what was achieved then.

Probably don't need to what with the larger garrison and the longer runway, and the Argentine armed forces are nothing like they were then in size or equipment, but the fact remains that in 1982 the whole operation would have never happened without UK flagged merchant vessels and crews being available at short notice.

[jobin]

International law be damned, if my country big and powerful enough to enforce its own laws. Witness the South China Sea, Taiwan, India/China border regions, etc. If Argentina suddenly discovered vast tracts of oil, built up the bombers and sea fleet, who would dispute their claim to the Falks? UK hardly has a gunboat left.