ubonjoe Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I don't wish to be a sanctimonious creep, but I would not risk my hotel licence or possible prosecution. The hotel isn't mine:just work there.But i no want get the property in trouble and myself too. So i just made a copy of his passport:nothing more And for clear his 40 days overstay? You are not responsible for enforcing immigration rules just the reporting required. He needs to clear the overstay on departure from the country. He has already reached the max fine of 20k baht. Where he goes depends upon how much longer he wants to stay here. He could go to Vientiane for a tourist visa or make a border run to get a 30 day exempt entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Get him busted, arrested and deported. It will keep all the sanctimonious creeps on here happy and screw up some bodies life, which is what they want. You will have the satisfaction that keeps you warm at night. and you will feel much better, knowing that he is in a cell somewhere. Alternatively, take his wife's ID for booking purposes or his driving licence. We are all guests here................. "It will keep all the sanctimonious creeps on here happy ..." He said sanctimoniously. Why not give your own opinion/advice regarding the question asked without speaking on behalf of other posters who appear to exist only in your imagination? The O/P had a legitimate question about what his responsibility was under the law. He is expected to record and report some information about guests to immigrations and was just trying to save himself from unnecessary grief with immigrations regulations that he did not fully understand. Yes, I agree. There seems to be an ample supply of self-appointed spokesmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 so, did you show him your work permit?Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanno Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I doubt it they cant expect you to be ab expert on visas and such. If you run a bar and a cluet drives drunk your not responsible either. Actually, in many countries you can get into trouble for exactly that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I doubt it they cant expect you to be ab expert on visas and such. If you run a bar and a cluet drives drunk your not responsible either. Actually, in many countries you can get into trouble for exactly that. Yes i know but was not aware this was the case in Thailand. I heard about the UK and might have read about Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recom273 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Last year I had was on a 60 day extension of my non-I visa. I checked into a hotel in Bangkok, the receptionist checked my passport, looked at my TM7 and informed me I was on overstay. I lifted my eyebrow and looked straight through her. As far as I know I don't have to justify any stamp to a hotel receptionist, only an immigration officer or policeman. Are receptionists really qualified to check passports ? What if that receptionist had phoned immigration and I got a visit ? Are you payed and trained to do the job of an immigration officer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 My post that it is not the hotel's task to call on overstayers has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 My post that it is not the hotel's task to call on overstayers has been removed. it is back. it got mixed in with some posts that got removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 My apologies, my post was not removed. On my tablet it took me 10 minutes to retrieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWMcMurray Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Seems like pretty simple case... As already a requirement for hotel to report foreigner checking into the hotel. The OP should just submit the form as per normal process... If immigration or police want to do anything or arrests the guy for overstay, that is their decision... Nothing to do with the OP... In his situation , would likely ask the guest if they were aware that hotels are required to report check in of all foreigners and that it appears that he may be on an overstay So not sure if immigration will take any action or not. Then let the guy sort out or not sort out ... Up to him... You couldn't then get in trouble, as you submit the proper form to immigration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 A off topic (trolling) post has been removed. Edit: Forum rule "9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Last year I had was on a 60 day extension of my non-I visa. I checked into a hotel in Bangkok, the receptionist checked my passport, looked at my TM7 and informed me I was on overstay. I lifted my eyebrow and looked straight through her. As far as I know I don't have to justify any stamp to a hotel receptionist, only an immigration officer or policeman. Are receptionists really qualified to check passports ? What if that receptionist had phoned immigration and I got a visit ? Are you payed and trained to do the job of an immigration officer ? They are required to check passports. You are responsible you're fully legal, so if the receptionist had called immigration you could have had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Last year I had was on a 60 day extension of my non-I visa. I checked into a hotel in Bangkok, the receptionist checked my passport, looked at my TM7 and informed me I was on overstay. I lifted my eyebrow and looked straight through her. As far as I know I don't have to justify any stamp to a hotel receptionist, only an immigration officer or policeman. Are receptionists really qualified to check passports ? What if that receptionist had phoned immigration and I got a visit ? Are you payed and trained to do the job of an immigration officer ? They are required to check passports. You are responsible you're fully legal, so if the receptionist had called immigration you could have had a problem. The receptionist was going by the date on his TM6 (TM7 is an error) departure card that would have his original permitted to stay date on it before he got the extension. If anybody went by the stamp on my TM6 they would think I was on a 6 and a half year overstay. It is not really the hotels job to check for overstays or even look at the dates on the stamps other than to enter it on the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Last year I had was on a 60 day extension of my non-I visa. I checked into a hotel in Bangkok, the receptionist checked my passport, looked at my TM7 and informed me I was on overstay. I lifted my eyebrow and looked straight through her. As far as I know I don't have to justify any stamp to a hotel receptionist, only an immigration officer or policeman. Are receptionists really qualified to check passports ? What if that receptionist had phoned immigration and I got a visit ? Are you payed and trained to do the job of an immigration officer ? They are required to check passports. You are responsible you're fully legal, so if the receptionist had called immigration you could have had a problem. The receptionist was going by the date on his TM6 (TM7 is an error) departure card that would have his original permitted to stay date on it before he got the extension. If anybody went by the stamp on my TM6 they would think I was on a 6 and a half year overstay. It is not really the hotels job to check for overstays or even look at the dates on the stamps other than to enter it on the report. As I said, they are required to check passports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 yea, you have no need or reason to even look at his visa or entrie stamp.its none of your business. kind of embarrassing for you to butt in to someones business when you have no authority to do so Any hotel or guesthouse I've ever stayed at (Thailand and abroad) has ALWAYS checked my passport. In Thailand they even photocopy my passport page AND my arrival card (can't remember if they also copy stamps), so it actually the "norm" for hotel staff to check guest IDs. After having worked for many years in a hotel in Europe myself, I know that it is a part of the check-in process - it might not be their "business", but it is their "job" to do so. To the OP: no need to be embarrassed, your question is completely understandable. Unfortunately I don't know if you will or won't get into trouble for not reporting him... Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I'm not really sure. You aren't an immigration officer. Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigp Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> so, did you show him your work permit?Who? The German over stayer i presume ? I think he is asking if the OP has a work permit. Assuming he's a foreigner and doing a job a Thai can do by working in a hotel, he can't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA_FARANG Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I doubt it they cant expect you to be ab expert on visas and such. If you run a bar and a cluet drives drunk your not responsible either. Actually, in many countries you can get into trouble for exactly that. -------------- Some years ago in Massachusetts a police officer stopped two teen age kids for drunk driving. He escorted them home, to their house, and had the parents keep the key to the vehicle involved, as the parents promised not to let the teenagers drive until they were sober. Somehow, exactly how is not clear, the kids got the car keys again. They were only taking the other kid to his home. On the way, they had an accident, and the passenger died. That kid's parents sued the driver, his parents, and also the police officer who gave the key to the parents rather than take the teenage driver's into custody, and did not than confiscate their car and the keys. For years after that, to be caught driving while intoxicated, was an automatic trip into custody, and you had your car confiscated until some one paid the fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Norm Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 My, repeat my, understanding is that your business responsibility is solely to advise the respective immigration authority of a foreign guest in your establishment. As another forum member asked, "are you an immigration officer". Not your role, I believe, to inspect/assess visa requirements or eligibility. Rest easy, simply comply with basic Immigration requirements, viz name , passport number etc. in a timely manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Thea01 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I and my wife travel regularly around Thailand and as she is a government employee a discount applies for hotel accommodation. She uses her government ID and at no time have I ever been asked for my passport or any other form of ID. However, when I travel alone, no discount but they accept my Thai license to register and always take a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paz Posted November 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2014 You are Thai or a foreigner? if you are not Thai than you should report yourselve also to Immigration as staying in Thailand and working illegal, reception work is only allowed for Thai nationalitys, so if you are not thai it isn´t your bussines and you should care more yourselve breakint the law every day and your Visa status. If you are Thai you should know the rules better than every foreigner here in TV Big burst of misplaced indignation. First of all no nationality guarantees knowledge. Second you can't assume the OP works illegally, he can be an hotel manager that actually oversees receptionists. And finally he has clearly said that he was not wanting to cause trouble for the foreigner. So take a deep breath and try to do better for your 2nd posting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Last year I had was on a 60 day extension of my non-I visa. I checked into a hotel in Bangkok, the receptionist checked my passport, looked at my TM7 and informed me I was on overstay. I lifted my eyebrow and looked straight through her. As far as I know I don't have to justify any stamp to a hotel receptionist, only an immigration officer or policeman. Are receptionists really qualified to check passports ? What if that receptionist had phoned immigration and I got a visit ? Are you payed and trained to do the job of an immigration officer ? They are required to check passports. You are responsible you're fully legal, so if the receptionist had called immigration you could have had a problem. I think you are wrong. They are required to take an ID check. A DL is quite acceptable. They are required to report your presence. They are NOT required to check the validity of your visa and actually, it may well be against the constitution ( if it were not suspended to the delight of some "members" on here) and illegal ,for them to do so, as they are not authorised officials of the State and have no right to do so or comment on your visa status. It may be be that you could sue and win. They are employees of a hotel. Nothing more, nothing less. Scaremongering is so strong here............ Edited November 24, 2014 by philw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recom273 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Last year I had was on a 60 day extension of my non-I visa. I checked into a hotel in Bangkok, the receptionist checked my passport, looked at my TM7 and informed me I was on overstay. I lifted my eyebrow and looked straight through her. As far as I know I don't have to justify any stamp to a hotel receptionist, only an immigration officer or policeman. Are receptionists really qualified to check passports ? What if that receptionist had phoned immigration and I got a visit ? Are you payed and trained to do the job of an immigration officer ? They are required to check passports. You are responsible you're fully legal, so if the receptionist had called immigration you could have had a problem. No I wouldn't have had a problem - as Ubonjoe says, the girl was reading my TM6 which says the date on which I was required to leave if I had not extended my non-o for 60 days. Kind of makes my point, she could have called someone and I could be in some temporary inconvenience caused by the actions of someone who's has no understanding of the visa laws or procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 To all those saying a driver license is enough you should look at page 2 of the TM30 form a hotel needs to complete to do the report. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/pdf/tm30.pdf Required info for the form: Nationality, Passport No., Date of Arrival, Type of Visa, Expire date of stay, Point of entry, Arrival card TM.No. Relationship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 To all those saying a driver license is enough you should look at page 2 of the TM30 form a hotel needs to complete to do the report. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/pdf/tm30.pdf Required info for the form: Nationality, Passport No., Date of Arrival, Type of Visa, Expire date of stay, Point of entry, Arrival card TM.No. Relationship Your probably right but i have also used my drivers license for hotels without problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 To all those saying a driver license is enough you should look at page 2 of the TM30 form a hotel needs to complete to do the report. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/pdf/tm30.pdf Required info for the form: Nationality, Passport No., Date of Arrival, Type of Visa, Expire date of stay, Point of entry, Arrival card TM.No. Relationship Your probably right but i have also used my drivers license for hotels without problems. I haven't used a passport to check into a hotel in Thailand for many years, the Thai DL has always sufficed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayida Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 I don't wish to be a sanctimonious creep, but I would not risk my hotel licence or possible prosecution. The hotel isn't mine:just work there.But i no want get the property in trouble and myself too. So i just made a copy of his passport:nothing more And for clear his 40 days overstay? so, did you show him your work permit? No understand your question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 ... They are required to take an ID check. A DL is quite acceptable. They are required to report your presence. They are NOT required to check the validity of your visa and actually, it may well be against the constitution ( if it were not suspended to the delight of some "members" on here) and illegal ,for them to do so, as they are not authorised officials of the State and have no right to do so or comment on your visa status. It may be be that you could sue and win. ... Have another look at the list that comes with the form TM.30, or perhaps it is printed on the reverse side of the same sheet. The seventh column from the left has the heading "Expire date of stay". Of course, this does not necessarily mean that a hotel gets fined if not all fields are completed for all guests, or that immigration even looks at the electronically filed reports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayida Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 Are you payed and trained to do the job of an immigration officer ? No,but as i wrote before,i no want to get in trouble the company and myself too if police knows that i let a overstay foreigner check in without,at least,let them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayida Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 You are Thai or a foreigner? if you are not Thai than you should report yourselve also to Immigration as staying in Thailand and working illegal, reception work is only allowed for Thai nationalitys, so if you are not thai it isn´t your bussines and you should care more yourselve breakint the law every day and your Visa status. If you are Thai you should know the rules better than every foreigner here in TV Big burst of misplaced indignation. First of all no nationality guarantees knowledge. Second you can't assume the OP works illegally, he can be an hotel manager that actually oversees receptionists. And finally he has clearly said that he was not wanting to cause trouble for the foreigner. So take a deep breath and try to do better for your 2nd posting. I am manager in this hotel settled in Kao Yai,and when a foreign come the company ask me to help the new staff with check in procedure and all this stuff My name will never appear in any documents or other paper to be signed i just only concern if he will be caught,in a presence of police,i just tell them the truth,that i didn sign the paper,but i let him check in even on 40 days overstay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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