Citroen 2 CV spotters required

[BKKdreaming]

anyone have a link to a 1964 owners manual for a French 2CV ?

I have some repair books but just need to know some small stupid things

like where is the heater ? , and how do you roll the sunroof back,

I have only driven it around the block a few times but its good fun ,

this one has low miles and was brought over from France in 1965 To Los Angeles ,

25k miles and owned by a 93 year old ex-GI who had his last drive in it today before handing it over to me

[scooterandjobe]

anyone have a link to a 1964 owners manual for a French 2CV ?

I have some repair books but just need to know some small stupid things

like where is the heater ? , and how do you roll the sunroof back,

I have only driven it around the block a few times but its good fun ,

this one has low miles and was brought over from France in 1965 To Los Angeles ,

25k miles and owned by a 93 year old ex-GI who had his last drive in it today before handing it over to me

Here you go: http://www.2cvsrus.com/manual_e.htm

Cheers, Scooter

[arthurwait]

Any updates ?

[umbanda]

Ahhhhhh...good memories. You may find one in Argentina. Was imported there for many years in the 60s. I had a lot of fun with one of those in my youth years......In Argentina many now classic cars were imported in the 50s and 60s. Taxis were small MB, a lot of 3 wheels Mechersmith too, the first Audi rotary engine car ( called Union), Volkswagen bugs and jeeps, Jaguar, Porches, Renaults and Peugeot, priced without import taxes. Nice times.

[arthurwait]

Good info Scooter. Thanks.

I want another Hot Rod !

http://www.olx.co.th/product-104135479

[seedy]

http://www.olx.co.th/product-104135479

Thanks for the link - but I do not see a plate.

Rules it out for me, and the price. Would rather build my own - hobby sort of thing.

[arthurwait]

Good spot, no tax disc either so not just taken them off for the look.

[BKKdreaming]

I have been playing with my 1964 2CV a little

since no one else has ever had one around here I have no idea if it is running right or not ,

But it is dead SLOW , scary SLOW around here where everyone is playing with their phone etc and not paying attention ,

and when I pull out and cannot accelerate very fast they almost run me over ,

its good fun , but not fun enough to die for !

so I am going to give it another week or so , change the exhaust gaskets and tune it up again and see if I can get some power out of it.....

but its the small motor 2CV , maybe the later 603 cc motor is the one to get ?

So how Fast is a normal good running 425cc 2CV ........yes Fast is the wrong word to use

[ignis]

I have been playing with my 1964 2CV a little

since no one else has ever had one around here I have no idea if it is running right or not ,

But it is dead SLOW , scary SLOW around here where everyone is playing with their phone etc and not paying attention ,

and when I pull out and cannot accelerate very fast they almost run me over ,

its good fun , but not fun enough to die for !

so I am going to give it another week or so , change the exhaust gaskets and tune it up again and see if I can get some power out of it.....

but its the small motor 2CV , maybe the later 603 cc motor is the one to get ?

So how Fast is a normal good running 425cc 2CV ........yes Fast is the wrong word to use

Yes Fast maybe the wrong word, believe back then was something like 32 seconds to 60 MPH, with a hill down or a rear wind as that was about max speed

I did have the bigger engine 2CV one + a Renault 4 + a Citroen DS23

Scan one of my old photo's when I lived in Portugal.

[BKKdreaming]

I also have had Renault 4cv , Fiat 500-600s , a Fiat Multipla and too many VWs

old 1200cc VWs are slow but not dead trap slow ,

Ohhh and I bought a lot of stuff in Portugal 30 years ago , it was really fun going to all the junk yards with old cars,

[scooterandjobe]

I have been playing with my 1964 2CV a little

since no one else has ever had one around here I have no idea if it is running right or not ,

But it is dead SLOW , scary SLOW around here where everyone is playing with their phone etc and not paying attention ,

and when I pull out and cannot accelerate very fast they almost run me over ,

its good fun , but not fun enough to die for !

so I am going to give it another week or so , change the exhaust gaskets and tune it up again and see if I can get some power out of it.....

but its the small motor 2CV , maybe the later 603 cc motor is the one to get ?

So how Fast is a normal good running 425cc 2CV ........yes Fast is the wrong word to use

You could opt for the 652cc engine ~ 35HP. I ordered mine from Burton Car Company in the Netherlands, it's scheduled to arrive in May:

http://www.burton2cvparts.com/engine-2cv6-652cc-big-bore-overhauled-p-5826.html

Your 425cc didn't have much horsepower when new ~ 12HP, I guess now it's getting on in years the horsepower is reduced quite a bit. Also, my project will be almost 250kg lighter than a stock 2 CV, so the horses will go farther.

Or, you could sell the car to me!

Cheers, Scooter

[CTO]

I bought a 2CV Charleston new, Burgundy and black, from the citron factory, dam a great car, miss it all the time.

Only issue about bringing one here is parts, I'd look at bringing in the container or filling the car with parts when you ship it.

Wish you all the best

[seedy]

One Troll / Flaming post removed.

[fish fingers]

http://www.classiccarclubphuket.com/JoeSales/Citroen2CV.html

Its not bad condition but its what's available now.

£16,000

This is what you have to pay for rarity.

I'd prefer it over a Honda Jazz that is roughly the same money.

Good thing is also it won't depreciate at all.

I'm sure the wife would agree, on the school run

Seems that a good restored classic is around that figure altho some nice Alfa's can be had around 600k

[scooterandjobe]

Any updates ?

Not much to report as I've been busy (day job) and my parts for the projects are in transit or waiting to be packed for transit.

Had a few more chats with customs and have pretty much determined I will have to pay, on average, 50% on top of the cost of the parts and shipping, quite steep but not busting the budget. Apparently there is a reduced duty scheme as indicated on the Customs website, but when I call the number provided it rings out...maybe by design! What I have determined is that bringing a body or chassis is not recommended as the tax/duty is very high and the paperwork required for an import license is very difficult to process.

My new workshop is taking shape, and I have found a number of good tool supply shops, both in CM and Bangkok. A decent MIG (Gas and Gas-less) and TIG welder are proving the most difficult items to source. Also, some specialist tools e.g. light aircraft build/maintenance tools, sheet metal tools (English wheel), decent tube benders/rollers don't seem to be available here, or I'm not asking the right questions to the right people. I need to stop comparing the prices/availability of items to Europe and US.

Had no luck finding a local 2 CV, even a basket case. Although I was informed that 2 CV's where built in Cambodia for a while - not sure about the process of getting a Cambodian-registered car to Thailand. Missed out by a few days on a reasonably priced vintage car (1835 Austin sports car) with book and plate needing some TLC.

Hope to have everything ready to start by August.

Cheers, Scooter

[ignis]

The has been a number of bigger models For Sale in resent months, notice today http://www.taladrod.com/w20/Search/CarDet40.aspx?cib=1560124

Edit:

if not 100% a Citroen

http://www.taladrod.com/w20/Search/CarDet40.aspx?cib=1536299

Rare and in need of lots of L & C

http://www.taladrod.com/w20/Search/CarDet40.aspx?cib=1552988

Edited April 11, 2015 by ignis

[scooterandjobe]

The has been a number of bigger models For Sale in resent months, notice today http://www.taladrod.com/w20/Search/CarDet40.aspx?cib=1560124

Edit:

if not 100% a Citroen

http://www.taladrod.com/w20/Search/CarDet40.aspx?cib=1536299

Rare and in need of lots of L & C

http://www.taladrod.com/w20/Search/CarDet40.aspx?cib=1552988

Thanks! The Fiat looks interesting.

[arthurwait]

I won't quote your post as it's quite long.

Good to hear you are getting something done though.

I use a weld pro tig 16k and u-weld mig 21k that haven't let me down.

The best tool/supplies shop I have found overall is Hardware house on the Bangkok pattaya motorway around Sri Racha/Laem Chabang area. They also have a branch on the Bang Na - Tradt around Bang Plee area, but I haven't been to that branch.

Also a good tool shop in Chonburi city almost next to Tesco (Bang Saen end one). They can order most things and one guy there speaks good English.

Next to Tesco Amata Nakorn in Chonburi city there is also a shop called Factory Gear that sells imported quality tools. Snap on etc. Expensive though.

Can't help on the 2CV though.

Hardware house do sell pipe benders the normal hand hydraulic pump ones though. Global house Chonburi had one with larger size dies. There are plenty of places advertising bending and CNC in Thailand you could try one of them.

Also stainless steel gate fabricators bend pipes. MIL friend has one but haven't seen it in years so can't remember what it's like.

[arthurwait]

I just looked up the 2CV wheelbase. Longer than I thought. If you are interested in doing a 4 wheel pembleton etc instead of a 3 wheel FWD you could use a Mazda familia pick up chassis. Like these :

http://www.kaidee.com/member/id-689240

[scooterandjobe]

I just looked up the 2CV wheelbase. Longer than I thought. If you are interested in doing a 4 wheel pembleton etc instead of a 3 wheel FWD you could use a Mazda familia pick up chassis. Like these :

http://www.kaidee.com/member/id-689240

It's the 3-Wheeler I'm committed to build - actually two: one with 2 Cv engine, one with big motorcycle V-Twin. I did look at other possible donors and Kei Cars from Daihatsu and Suzuki fit the bill, but without the exposed-engine look.

Also the original VW beetles can be used with some modification. And there are available here, some with silly prices though.

But the Citroen 2 CV offers some unique points, the, axle/steering set up, a robust gearbox with in-board brakes and clean drive shaft arrangement, simple but effective suspension, very simple electrics. And, parts are readily available in Europe as so many cars where manufactured: ~8.8 million.

I will be changing the wheelbase and track dimensions to somewhere near the Morgan 3 racers of the 1930's, closer to the modern Morgan 3's too. I will be using a modified Pembleton chassis design as some of the features I want can't be accommodated in the standard chassis. That really is what Pembleton is about, not so much a kit car, rather a good base for development. All the chassis work and bodywork will be completed in Thailand using material purchased here.

Thanks for the welder/tool supplier advice, I'll follow that up. I'm up in the CM area, but we do get down to Chonburi/ Chachoengsao ocassionally to vist the in-laws. It looks like I will be off to the US on a business trip in June so a Tube Roller (Pittsburgh), Tube Bender(JMR) and maybe an English Wheel die set will be on my shopping list.

Cheers, Scooter

[BKKdreaming]

another 2cv question

where is the fuse box on a 1964 ?

I looked everywhere !

[scooterandjobe]

another 2cv question

where is the fuse box on a 1964 ?

I looked everywhere !

This may help:

http://www.2cvsrus.com/restoration/user_manual/pages_e/page_e34.htm

Cheers, Scooter

[BKKdreaming]

Thanks but that is a later 2CV

mine does not have a fusebox on the firewall , or anywhere else as far as I know !

[arthurwait]

http://www.kaidee.com/product-107597990

[BKKdreaming]

http://www.kaidee.com/product-107597990

I always like the early ones , mine is the last of the 2nd generation , front opening doors and no 3rd window,

took it for a short ride yesterday

[Aforek]

Lovers of 2 CV Citroën, if you want to go to the 21st international meeting of 2cv friends ( 5 million built in 42 years ) , you have to go to Poland 28/7 to 02/08/2015

http://www.2cvpoland2015.pl/

in english http://www.2cvpoland2015.pl/eng/

Maybe many pictures to take !

I suppose that you know it already, but 2 CV means " deux chevaux " ( 1 cheval ( horse ), 2 chevaux ( two horses ) , that's how it's called in France : " une deux chevaux " ( friendly name : " une deuche " or " une deu-deuche " )

Edited July 17, 2015 by Aforek

[scooterandjobe]

Well here's an update on progress:

I now have some of the materials, parts and tools ready for the retirement build:

Pembleton parts, some tools and various bits & bats arrived from the UK by airfreight. A large box, 1.5 metres x 3 metres x 1 metres. This lot attracted 45% Duty/Tax. The 4 wire wheels, hub kits and suspension dampers taking the biggest hit.

2 CV rolling chassis, sans chassis, arrived sea freight from Netherlands, this lot attracted 28% tax, surprising as this included a fully reconditioned 2 CV engine and gearbox[excellent job], although only 652 cc/25 HP[18.65 KW] and from 1989. Bit of a screw up: the company who supplied the rolling chassis provided a LHD cross member [steering rack is part of cross member], I need a RHD cross member. But, they have agreed to sort it out at their cost.

I thought I'd worked out how the duty/tax was calculated, but it is a lottery. The HS codes are not really used, levies of 10% to 35% seem the norm, and are applied at the inspectors discretion. I have all the official documentation from customs, so all is good.

Workshop almost done. Built two sturdy work benches, bought a stick and a MIG welder, tube bender, tube roller, tube notcher, english wheel, stretcher/shrinker, joggler, guillotine and plenty of hand tools to supplement what I received from the UK. Now looking for a small lathe and a decent bench grinder and linisher to complete the 'machine tools; quota and a AC/DC TIG set to allow me to weld aluminium. Also, need to build a multipurpose jig/worktable and a dedicated welding bench.

I'm struggling to find 1.2mm & 1.5mm 1050 Aluminium sheet and 1", 1.25" an 2" CDS tubing in Chiang Mai. But I'm sure it's available in Thailand. Probably need to source in Bangkok.

Hope to start the actual build early-to-mid November.

I have a little more information about registration:

It is possible if an Engineer's report can be obtained, which apparently is not an impossibility, but additional tax/duty will have to be paid to actually register the vehicle. How this tax/duty is calculated I do not know.

Cheers, Scooter

[casualbiker]

As far as I'm aware the land transport office will have a list of engineers ( probably family) or you could try a local technical college.

[BKKdreaming]

drove my 2CV around the block today ,

I need to sell this thing to someone who will use it more than me

If you happen to be in Southern California it could be yours .....

[scooterandjobe]

As far as I'm aware the land transport office will have a list of engineers ( probably family) or you could try a local technical college.

Thanks, Ill give that a try. I was told by a guy from the local classic car club that maybe CMU would offer the service.

Edited September 23, 2015 by scooterandjobe