Most military officers voted against the former PM Yingluck

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Most military officers voted against the former prime minister
The Nation



BANGKOK: -- National Legislative Assembly members who voted to impeach former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra yesterday made the decision freely themselves after recognising she had made mistakes in the rice-pledging scheme, according to observers.

The party hosted by NLA chief Pornpet Vichitcholcha at the Army Club on Thursday night had no impact on their decision as most had already made up their mind, the observers said.

The NLA voted 190 to 18 to impeach Yingluck in her former position as prime minister.

Although she no longer holds the position, the NLA wanted the legal consequence to prohibit her from politics.

The majority who voted against Yingluck are mostly military officers who were installed by the junta.

Also seen as an enemy of Yingluck are a group of 40 former senators, while the 18 votes in her favour mostly came from people in the business sector.

The military-installed lawmakers mostly regard Yingluck's handling of the rice-pledging scheme as a big mistake as she refused to end the project after the acknowledgement of corruption.

Yingluck delivered her opening and closing speeches at the impeachment proceedings but she did not answer any questions from NLA members. Some members gave her no credit for this.

In her speeches, Yingluck also did not answer any questions or clear up suspicions over the rice project.

She mostly attacked what she said was the National Anti-Corruption Commission's political motive in impeaching her, a NLA member said.

The NACC's decision to charge her former commerce minister Boonsong Teriyapirom and former deputy commerce minister Poom Saraphol for allegedly creating illegal government-to-government rice-sale deals confirmed Yingluck's mishandling of the scheme, the NLA member said.

The NLA yesterday failed to impeach former Parliament president Somsak Kiartsuranon and his ex-deputy Nikom Wairatpanij in relation to an amendment of the 2007 Constitution.

As a consequence, the 38 former senators who sponsored the amendment bill also escaped impeachment.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Most-military-officers-voted-against-the-former-pr-30252607.html


-- The Nation 2015-01-24

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No NCPO intervention in Yingluck's impeachment, army spokesman says

BANGKOK, 24 January 2015 (NNT) - Spokesperson of the Royal Thai Army and the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) Col. Winthai Suvaree has said the NCPO did not intervene in Friday’s vote by the National Legislative Assembly (NLA) to impeach former Prime Minister Yngluck Shinawatra.

Col. Winthai confirmed the NCPO was still in charge of maintaining peace and order in the country. There had not yet been any movements by the ex-premier’s supporters after the vote, only comments from those who did not agree with the impeachment, the spokesman said.

Col. Winthai added that the NCPO wanted the public to understand that martial law was still necessary and avoid stirring up conflicts. He also asked people to trust their government and help move on the country into the second phase of the national reform roadmap.


-- NNT 2015-01-24

[harada]

Surprise surprise.

[baboon]

But of course. Not for a moment would they be considering their careers and future incomes - their decision was doubtlessly purely altruistic.

Edited January 23, 2015 by baboon

[NeilSA1]

Well, so much for any modicum of voter privacy.

[candide]

Well with more than 120 seats hold by military and 190 votes for impeachment against 18, no need to be a maths expert to find out that most of the military have voted for impeachment....

[h90]

But of course. Not for a moment would they be considering their careers and future incomes - their decision was doubtlessly purely altruistic.

and surely has nothing to do with corruption and the loss (well not lost) of almost 1 trillion Baht.

If she would have done only a half decent job she would be still PM.

[The stuttering parrot]

I see on the other thread the yellow dem junta cheerleaders are salivating and drooling over every headline about Yinglucks inevitable impeachment by a military regime which has taken the the country via force and placed it's stooges in key positions to do the bidding of the puppet master.

It's nothing more than a kangaroo court and the head of this kangaroo court has truly shown his yellow colours by his open bias to the Shinawatra family.

It's not only a sad day for democracy it's a sad day to see the minority yellow supporters on here actually believing she got a fair go.

You guys and the junta deserve each other .

Absolutely shameful decision and should be condemned and not recognised worldwide !

[rasmus5150]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

[CiaranO]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

[tezzainoz]

I see on the other thread the yellow dem junta cheerleaders are salivating and drooling over every headline about Yinglucks inevitable impeachment by a military regime which has taken the the country via force and placed it's stooges in key positions to do the bidding of the puppet master.

It's nothing more than a kangaroo court and the head of this kangaroo court has truly shown his yellow colours by his open bias to the Shinawatra family.

It's not only a sad day for democracy it's a sad day to see the minority yellow supporters on here actually believing she got a fair go.

You guys and the junta deserve each other .

Absolutely shameful decision and should be condemned and not recognised worldwide !

Funny only 2 years go this is what the thai protestors in the streets where saying about Yingluck

Red shirts who wanted to burn down Bkk put into key positions to do the bidding of the puppet master.

So you feel an elected government can do what it wants

But hers have not the right to do same same

You did not mention only 1 out of 3 where impeached

Logic says if this was all preplanned all 3 would have been impeached

As we are not Thai Nationals we can comment

But there are a lot of Issan villages who remember the deaths of their fellow rice farmers because of Yingluck

Who now feel justice is being served

Guess its their country an we need to be happy to be allowed to live here

[tezzainoz]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

Your comments make me feel you have not been in Thailand long

How can a western man be in the wrong, because if he was not here the problem would not have happened

Time you learned a little about Thai Way of thinking

I have a happy life with my family in Thailand because like a willow tree I bend with the wind

If I try to be a strong tree, sooner or later I will break

This is Thailand my friend

and Like the old saying

when in Rome, you need to do what the Roman's do

[thesetat2013]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

It is quite simple really. If you break a law and the law changes in the time before you are caught you are still guilty of committing that crime and of violating that law. The same rule of law applies here.

[CiaranO]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

It is quite simple really. If you break a law and the law changes in the time before you are caught you are still guilty of committing that crime and of violating that law. The same rule of law applies here.

Please explain how you can be impeached under a constitution that does not exist anymore from a position she no longer holds ?

Oh sorry you can if you bends the laws - install a military council and tell them how to vote - and impose martial law on a country for nearly 9 months. Then of course you can do whatever you want.

[tezzainoz]

I can only re issue what has already been said by another member in a different posting

People in Bkk and many other places say they are more happy and secure with this present government than they have been for many years with all recent governments..

They can sleep at night without being afraid of their city being burned to the ground or being taken over by Red terrorists..

Tax money is not being wasted in buying rice at double the global price ... And as for the generals making a balls-up...

They came in to protect the country from civil war caused by the last government...

Time you spent time in their shoes, before demanding the world need to live by your rules

[thesetat2013]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

It is quite simple really. If you break a law and the law changes in the time before you are caught you are still guilty of committing that crime and of violating that law. The same rule of law applies here.

Please explain how you can be impeached under a constitution that does not exist anymore from a position she no longer holds ?

Oh sorry you can if you bends the laws - install a military council and tell them how to vote - and impose martial law on a country for nearly 9 months. Then of course you can do whatever you want.

Bending what laws. These laws were in effect when she was PM! She violated these laws when they were in effect so she should be prosecuted for that. If you work at a company and break the law and then you quit and the law changes to you are still guilty of violation of that law because it was a law when you vomit the crime.

[thesetat2013]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

It is quite simple really. If you break a law and the law changes in the time before you are caught you are still guilty of committing that crime and of violating that law. The same rule of law applies here.

Please explain how you can be impeached under a constitution that does not exist anymore from a position she no longer holds ?

Oh sorry you can if you bends the laws - install a military council and tell them how to vote - and impose martial law on a country for nearly 9 months. Then of course you can do whatever you want.

Bending what laws. These laws were in effect when she was PM! She violated these laws when they were in effect so she should be prosecuted for that. If you work at a company and break the law and then you quit and the law changes to you are still guilty of violation of that law because it was a law when you commit the crime.

[empireboy]

Stack the odds in your favour... it might be legal but it's not JUSTICE.

[DennisF]

Just another step towards a one party country.

North Korean model probably.

Dont hold your breath for democracy here.

Guilty or not, she was always going to be impeached.

[Denim]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

Your comments make me feel you have not been in Thailand long

This is Thailand my friend

and Like the old saying

when in Rome, you need to do what the Roman's do

I think you'll find a lot of your Romans voted for Yingluk.

[Tatsujin]

I see on the other thread the yellow dem junta cheerleaders are salivating and drooling over every headline about Yinglucks inevitable impeachment by a military regime which has taken the the country via force and placed it's stooges in key positions to do the bidding of the puppet master.

It's nothing more than a kangaroo court and the head of this kangaroo court has truly shown his yellow colours by his open bias to the Shinawatra family.

It's not only a sad day for democracy it's a sad day to see the minority yellow supporters on here actually believing she got a fair go.

You guys and the junta deserve each other .

Absolutely shameful decision and should be condemned and not recognised worldwide !

Given your outrage, can we assume you'll be at the forefront of the next protests/riots/occupations in the new "burn, Bangkok, burn" campaign?

You still fail to realize or accept that those stooges and puppet masters were there on both sides, and whilst in power, the Shinawatra's had no qualms about stacking the deck in their favor, paying off the Courts etc etc ... all so they could continue to rape and pillage the country under the guise of "helping the poor".

That there are still so many gullible people around that actually think that anything they did was for the benefit of "the poor" amazes me. It was pure self-serving greed and lust for power that's left many of those "poor farmers" in a worse situation than they ever were before. Yet, they'll spin it I'm sure and many will continue to vote for them.

And before you say it, my "attack" on the Shinawatra's does NOT mean I am automatically a yellow dem supporter or a supporter of the junta.

[WitawatWatawit]

Quote:

"The party hosted by NLA chief Pornpet Vichitcholcha at the Army Club on Thursday night had no impact on their decision as most had already made up their mind, the observers said."

Naive, so naive.

Yingluck was never more than a puppet and she probably has already been discarded by the Thaksinator as a future person of influence, so her banning for 5 years is an irrelevancy. The real issue is getting criminal indictments against her and every other sorry son-of-a-britch involved in this foul scheme. There is no issue of national security involved here, so the government must force the Commerce Ministry to open its books to public scrutiny.

[starky]

"The majority who voted against Yingluck are mostly military officers who were installed by the junta." Hmmmmm could they have voted any other way. This whole impeachment rubbish is farcical. It would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous. Yawn...

[scorecard]

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I see on the other thread the yellow dem junta cheerleaders are salivating and drooling over every headline about Yinglucks inevitable impeachment by a military regime which has taken the the country via force and placed it's stooges in key positions to do the bidding of the puppet master.

It's nothing more than a kangaroo court and the head of this kangaroo court has truly shown his yellow colours by his open bias to the Shinawatra family.

It's not only a sad day for democracy it's a sad day to see the minority yellow supporters on here actually believing she got a fair go.

You guys and the junta deserve each other .

Absolutely shameful decision and should be condemned and not recognised worldwide !

Your totally wrong - it's a great day for democracy.

[Mot Dang]

But of course. Not for a moment would they be considering their careers and future incomes - their decision was doubtlessly purely altruistic.

Of course, none of them would have jeopardized their careers by hanging their hats on a political pariah. And I like the gal.

[Baerboxer]

But of course. Not for a moment would they be considering their careers and future incomes - their decision was doubtlessly purely altruistic.

She makes speeches attacking the law, the authority, and constantly claims she did nothing wrong and everything was/is honky dory in the scheme.

She refuses to answer questions and doesn't bother to turn up for the question sessions.

She does not provide any answers or dispute any of the facts.

Really hard for her supporters and Shin fans to understand why anyone could vote against her.

How about the voted against her because she is a negligent as hell and won't defend herself because she can't? Even a baboon could make sense of that!

[Baerboxer]

I see on the other thread the yellow dem junta cheerleaders are salivating and drooling over every headline about Yinglucks inevitable impeachment by a military regime which has taken the the country via force and placed it's stooges in key positions to do the bidding of the puppet master.

It's nothing more than a kangaroo court and the head of this kangaroo court has truly shown his yellow colours by his open bias to the Shinawatra family.

It's not only a sad day for democracy it's a sad day to see the minority yellow supporters on here actually believing she got a fair go.

You guys and the junta deserve each other .

Absolutely shameful decision and should be condemned and not recognised worldwide !

The Shiniwatras - how many criminal convictions can they now boast? Hoe many outstanding criminal charges can they now boast?

A bunch of self serving crooks, who act in a thuggish way whenever it suits, and try very hard to place themselves above the law and pardon one another transgressions.

The Shiniwatras are nothing to do with democracy, and that she can't simply lie her way out of this with smug nonsense as usual does not mean it must be unfair. A Shiniwatras defense to everything is "it's unfair, political, bias to are family". And idiots actually believe them.

It was a sad day for democracy when one judge admitted he thought Thaksin guilty but though he should have a second chance as he was PM at the time. If that judge had done is job this family would not have sucked so much out this country.

Minority yellows - just like the minority group of Shin supporters, apologists and boiler boys?

The majority who can see through this scamming family and post accordingly are no supporters of the yellows, or hiso elite opponents of the elite Shins. But it suits you to try to label them so, And to pretend the Shins are democratic.

[Baerboxer]

This is not about Red or Yellow - this is about right or wrong, and the rule of law.

What rule of law - the armies ?

And how can a person not in political office be impeached?

The generals yellow colours are there for all to see.

Democracy won't be seen in this country for a long time. The military are giving up nothing.

It is quite simple really. If you break a law and the law changes in the time before you are caught you are still guilty of committing that crime and of violating that law. The same rule of law applies here.

Please explain how you can be impeached under a constitution that does not exist anymore from a position she no longer holds ?

Oh sorry you can if you bends the laws - install a military council and tell them how to vote - and impose martial law on a country for nearly 9 months. Then of course you can do whatever you want.

You are following the Shin argument. Look for some way to discredit the process as actually we have no defense because she was negligent.

Impeachment is a Western word with a specific meaning. I'm not sure if that's the right word for translating the Thai word or the the meanings are exactly the same.

Here, whatever the word, it seems that an action for punishment can be instigated even after the accused has left office. If the vote is for impeachment then a 5 year ban can be imposed. This is what happened to Yingluck.

This is Thailand, under Thai law, which seems to have more experts, academics, judges, lawyers and politicians who all agree to disagree on what the laws actually are or were meant to be. Now we have the barrack room lawyer TVF posters interpreting them however they want to to support their arguments.

[Nemesis7]

People serving in the armed forces are part of the society and people will vote for who ever they like it's their constitutional right.

[tezzainoz]

Just another step towards a one party country.

North Korean model probably.

Dont hold your breath for democracy here.

Guilty or not, she was always going to be impeached.

But in this case she was guilty