Surapong hits back at Thavorn over Ms Yingluck’s alleged escape plan

BANGKOK: -- Former deputy prime minister and foreign minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul hit back at former Democrat MP Thavorn Senniam for lying about former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra’s plan to escape abroad and to seek political asylum.

Thavorn posted a message in his Facebook page on February 13 claiming that Ms Yingluck wanted to seek political asylum in the United States and that she had chartered two planes, one in Chiang Mai and the other in Bangkok, in case she was granted a permission by the National Council for Peace and Order to leave the country.

Thavorn also claimed that former prime ministerThaksinShinawatra was in Hong Kong to welcome MsYingluck.

But Mr Surapong said that Thavorn who used to be a minister should not have lied about that in a way which would cause political conflict and damage to Ms Yingluck.

He challenged the former Democrat MP to show evidences of Ms Yingluck preparing to seek political asylum. Instead, he affirmed that Ms Yingluck would not run away but would fight her case in the court to seek justice.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/surapong-hits-back-thavorn-msyinglucksalleged-escape-plan

-- Thai PBS 2015-02-15

No smoke without fire ?!

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

For the good of the country, please run far, far away.

No smoke without fire ?!

Where's the smoke?

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

Mr. White Lies is Kittirat the former Finance Minister in Yingluck's Thaksin's puppet government headed by his baby sister, Yingluck.

Khun Smigel, on the other hand, was the self-professed-to-be-unqualified Foreign Minister and cousin of the Shinawatras. No bias in his remarks. /sarc

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

Mr. White Lies is Kittirat the former Finance Minister in Yingluck's Thaksin's puppet government headed by his baby sister, Yingluck.

Khun Smigel, on the other hand, was the self-professed-to-be-unqualified Foreign Minister and cousin of the Shinawatras. No bias in his remarks. /sarc

Isn't he the one who returned Thaksin his passport?

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

Mr. White Lies is Kittirat the former Finance Minister in Yingluck's Thaksin's puppet government headed by his baby sister, Yingluck.

Khun Smigel, on the other hand, was the self-professed-to-be-unqualified Foreign Minister and cousin of the Shinawatras. No bias in his remarks. /sarc

Thanks for the correction. It's a struggle trying to remember which of them has actually ever told the truth except maybe Chalerm of course.

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

Mr. White Lies is Kittirat the former Finance Minister in Yingluck's Thaksin's puppet government headed by his baby sister, Yingluck.

Khun Smigel, on the other hand, was the self-professed-to-be-unqualified Foreign Minister and cousin of the Shinawatras. No bias in his remarks. /sarc

Isn't he the one who returned Thaksin his passport?

Yes he is and AFAIK he has STILL not responded to the Ombudsman as to why it was returned.

The Junta want her to flee. The US has by and large stayed out of Thai affairs, hoping things would right themselves without giving China too much of an opening, however, events have taken a darker turn - the all out assault on the Red leadership, which has never been done by either side before, has the US worried that if something does happen to Yingluck they will look terrible - the US have let democracy be overthrown and elected politicians be persecuted without so much as a whimper. Not a good look for Obamas' legacy. The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

Mr. White Lies is Kittirat the former Finance Minister in Yingluck's Thaksin's puppet government headed by his baby sister, Yingluck.

Khun Smigel, on the other hand, was the self-professed-to-be-unqualified Foreign Minister and cousin of the Shinawatras. No bias in his remarks. /sarc

Isn't he the one who returned Thaksin his passport?

Yes he is and AFAIK he has STILL not responded to the Ombudsman as to why it was returned.

Isn't this where someone butts in and reminds everybody that the OP is about Democrat MP Thavorn Senniam's assertion that Yingluck had an escape plan - or does that only work one way?

So, do you believe Yingluck

"wanted to seek political asylum in the United States and that she had chartered two planes, one in Chiang Mai and the other in Bangkok, in case she was granted a permission by the National Council for Peace and Order to leave the country"

or was the ex Democrat MP just trying to stir the political @#$%, which, I believe, is illegal under the new regime? I expect a summons for re-education any moment for the former democrat (in name only).

Perhaps she was only heading to the US to further her studies. Politics, Democracy and Economics would be good subjects as she has little knowledge in those fields.

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

And do you think Yingluck would have told this incompetent, unqualified, excuse for a decent human being, what she was planning to do

The Junta want her to flee. The US has by and large stayed out of Thai affairs, hoping things would right themselves without giving China too much of an opening, however, events have taken a darker turn - the all out assault on the Red leadership, which has never been done by either side before, has the US worried that if something does happen to Yingluck they will look terrible - the US have let democracy be overthrown and elected politicians be persecuted without so much as a whimper. Not a good look for Obamas' legacy. The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

Which way do you people want it.? here you claim the U S has let Democracy be over thrown, but as soon as remarks are made by U S politicians about the current government restoring domocracy everyone is up in arms as the U S is medeling in Thai politics

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

Mr. White Lies is Kittirat the former Finance Minister in Yingluck's Thaksin's puppet government headed by his baby sister, Yingluck.

Khun Smigel, on the other hand, was the self-professed-to-be-unqualified Foreign Minister and cousin of the Shinawatras. No bias in his remarks. /sarc

Isn't he the one who returned Thaksin his passport?

Yes he is and AFAIK he has STILL not responded to the Ombudsman as to why it was returned.

The whole passport issue is a huge red herring as the powers that be can cancel at any time if they so wish, maybe you should be asking why it hasn't been cancelled?

The Junta want her to flee. The US has by and large stayed out of Thai affairs, hoping things would right themselves without giving China too much of an opening, however, events have taken a darker turn - the all out assault on the Red leadership, which has never been done by either side before, has the US worried that if something does happen to Yingluck they will look terrible - the US have let democracy be overthrown and elected politicians be persecuted without so much as a whimper. Not a good look for Obamas' legacy. The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire

(sounds a lot nicer than what I was thinking)

The whole passport issue is a huge red herring as the powers that be can cancel at any time if they so wish, maybe you should be asking why it hasn't been cancelled?

Good point Fatty.

Perhaps a deal has been done.

Mr. White lies complaining about someone lying ! He's hardly a witness of truth at the best of times.

Mr. White Lies is Kittirat the former Finance Minister in Yingluck's Thaksin's puppet government headed by his baby sister, Yingluck.

Khun Smigel, on the other hand, was the self-professed-to-be-unqualified Foreign Minister and cousin of the Shinawatras. No bias in his remarks. /sarc

Thanks for the correction. It's a struggle trying to remember which of them has actually ever told the truth except maybe Chalerm of course.

Why apologise, Kittirat is the teller of white lies!!!!

The whole passport issue is a huge red herring as the powers that be can cancel at any time if they so wish, maybe you should be asking why it hasn't been cancelled?

It definitely smells. It is also a fine example of a government acting illegally and in the interest of the man paying their recurrent bribes, while refusing to acknowledge the check and balances of democracy. That it was one of the top priorities of this government carried out in a time of national crisis, and using a sycophantic relative, inserted into a position he had no logical claim to except nepotism, to hand deliver the document, is even more damning.

But of course, they were elected, so that's alright then.

The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

Since they seem to be unquestionably in charge of the country, with no viable challenges to their rule, it seems to me that the junta are indeed 'winning'.

Here's a hint - the people with the guns generally (pun intended) 'win'.

They are not there to rule. They are there to get the country into shape to hold free and fair elections.

They are not there to win. They are there to create stability and order.

As to the guns, not sure where they come in as it was a 'bloodless coup d'etat that was necessary to stop the killings (of primarily yellow shirt supporters that were seeking real democracy).

The Junta want her to flee. The US has by and large stayed out of Thai affairs, hoping things would right themselves without giving China too much of an opening, however, events have taken a darker turn - the all out assault on the Red leadership, which has never been done by either side before, has the US worried that if something does happen to Yingluck they will look terrible - the US have let democracy be overthrown and elected politicians be persecuted without so much as a whimper. Not a good look for Obamas' legacy. The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

Which way do you people want it.? here you claim the U S has let Democracy be over thrown, but as soon as remarks are made by U S politicians about the current government restoring domocracy everyone is up in arms as the U S is medeling in Thai politics

The US should have been more vocal from the start and made their position clear, no elections = no friendship and no trade. Instead the US gently scolded the Generals and hoped democracy would return by itself, this course of action emboldened the Generals and the ultra right to go after Yingluck and co. in a way they've never done before and now the US has belatedly realised it must make its position explicit, thus the dispatching of Russell and his carefully worded public statements. The displeasure from the Junta at Americas' recent outspokenness is because they know it signifies a change in position from the US and they will no longer be given a free hand to suppress and persecute their own citizens - the tone has changed and the US would have made sure the Japanese gave the same message to the good General on his recent trip which is probably why the general felt the need to publicly state there will be elections within 12 months. The US couldn't have prevented the coup - but they sure as hell could of and should of put a lot more pressure on the Thai elites behind the machine to do the right thing in upholding democracy - they didn't ,but now appear to be correcting that mistake which is a good thing.

The whole passport issue is a huge red herring as the powers that be can cancel at any time if they so wish, maybe you should be asking why it hasn't been cancelled?

Good point Fatty.

Perhaps a deal has been done.

Mike, deals will have to have been done, this all goes way way way beyond replacing the shins, this is about the future of the country and it a crying shame it's a subject that's not allowed to be discussed.

The battle ground is being prepared metaphorical speaking, this goes way beyond street protests and passports and who is a good guy and who is a bad guy.

The smart folks without political bias seen what has been happening when certain individuals who were "connected" all started being rounded up.

I hope she doesn't flee and calls the bluff of her adversaries. The NCPO, courts, military, NLA, independent agencies, yellow shirt clique will no doubt find her guilty regardless of what is just as there is no separation of powers or effective rule of law in Thailand. Will they jail her? And what would be the reaction of western democracies into making Yingluck a high profile political prisoner? Would that be in the interests of the NCPO?

The Americans and EU have openly said in recent times that they believe that her prosecution is political. I would be interested to see how they would react to her jailing

The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

Since they seem to be unquestionably in charge of the country, with no viable challenges to their rule, it seems to me that the junta are indeed 'winning'.

Here's a hint - the people with the guns generally (pun intended) 'win'.

They are not there to rule. They are there to get the country into shape to hold free and fair elections.

They are not there to win. They are there to create stability and order.

As to the guns, not sure where they come in as it was a 'bloodless coup d'etat that was necessary to stop the killings (of primarily yellow shirt supporters that were seeking real democracy).

That is one completely unreal post. There may be something in your diet you should stay off.

They are all politicians and by definition are detached from reality and the truth. One liar calling another liar a liar. You find me a politician and I'll find you a person devoid of any moral character, who will continuously lie and who is predominately self-serving; this trait is NOT exclusive to Thai politicians but indeed ALL politicians.

The ultra right wing nationalist faction of the coup has backed the US into a corner - it is a fight the Junta cannot win (with or without China's backing)

Since they seem to be unquestionably in charge of the country, with no viable challenges to their rule, it seems to me that the junta are indeed 'winning'.

Here's a hint - the people with the guns generally (pun intended) 'win'.

They are not there to rule. They are there to get the country into shape to hold free and fair elections.

They are not there to win. They are there to create stability and order.

As to the guns, not sure where they come in as it was a 'bloodless coup d'etat that was necessary to stop the killings (of primarily yellow shirt supporters that were seeking real democracy).

That is one completely unreal post. There may be something in your diet you should stay off.

Unreal!!! Tell me what is unreal about it if you are going to make a brainless statement like that without any justification as to why you think and claim it as so.

The whole passport issue is a huge red herring as the powers that be can cancel at any time if they so wish, maybe you should be asking why it hasn't been cancelled?

It definitely smells. It is also a fine example of a government acting illegally and in the interest of the man paying their recurrent bribes, while refusing to acknowledge the check and balances of democracy. That it was one of the top priorities of this government carried out in a time of national crisis, and using a sycophantic relative, inserted into a position he had no logical claim to except nepotism, to hand deliver the document, is even more damning.

But of course, they were elected, so that's alright then.

Which is exactly what the foreign and domestic democracy "ostriches" still want

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That is one completely unreal post. There may be something in your diet you should stay off.

You may want to take your own advice and look at your own diet as you seem to be having trouble with the truth. Perhaps your reading and comprehension skills are suffering as well.

Perhaps she was only heading to the US to further her studies. Politics, Democracy and Economics would be good subjects as she has little knowledge in those fields.

Don't forget basic English 101.

lets face it junta will go eventually elected government will be (rigged) voted in and then the shins will buy a few more people for the next round of voting and gain power once again red yellow red yellow, the whole nation needs to have attitude adjustment, the poor need to be looked after not totally neglected, then their vote would not be bought. the yellows would then have no say in that matter and only that matter, it is plain to see what the junta are doing mostly good clean up of red shirt posse, trying to pave the way for good old yellow democracy, money money money.