Obama health care law survives second Supreme Court fight

[Publicus]

Oh dear God. Is any one watching this President of ours speech during the SC Pastor funeral. Oh dear god . . . No wonder things are so jacked up right now including our health care laws. Agenda dude and he bolsters his reverse racism bs with Gods will and Gods grace. Disgusting.

The legacy of the Barack Obama presidency is taking its definitive shape and the right has lost...the right has lost big time. It's all been for naught.

The vast majority of American society has jettisoned the far out right in to deep space. The Republican candidate clown car has meanwhile gone in to a terminal zig zagging with the Donald at the wheel.

Your problem is that you view everything as right or left, black or white, night or day. That is not reality. Dude, I am a democrat. I have not voted Republican since Bush senior. Bill Clinton was ad still is my man.

People like you who view right and left are the ones lost and not living in reality. You are the ones that lose sight of what is healthy for all because you are so focused on extreme right or left and are against something just because it is from the right and not the left or visa versa.

I look at things objectively and what is good for everyone. Seriously, why should I give a hoot about the middle class which Obama has destroyed since he has been in office. Because I actually give a crap about good, hard working people.

Obama's artificial economy has created income disparity and destroyed the middle class. All of the QE bs actually made me a very rich man, but I am still objective enough to see the long term damage the moron has done.

Your right-left construct is your construct.

There is no significant or viable "left" in the USA so you're talking gibberish. America is a center-right political country with a center-left that is the American center-left. It looks nothing like political parties in Europe, South America, Australia/NZ and other places to include India.

The danger in the USA is not from the "left" and the risks to the American political system have never been from the "left."

With the gun nuts, god crazies, traditional marriage types, anti-abortion loonies, tea party taxation skinflints, racists, burned out trigger pulling Republican ni**** patrol cops, the past KKK and the likes of Joe McCarthyism and so much else, the American extreme reactionary radical right is and poses the great and real danger to the Constitution and to the political system.

So supporting Barack Obama is consistent with everything I've done all my life for 70 years.

It's just that simple. I have followed my beliefs and values consistently, resiliently, with a great reward and satisfaction. Take another look at my avatar.

So you'd need to chill on Barack cause it was your lousy judgement to begin with to vote for him. You hadn't ever been true to yourself to vote for him. You've betrayed yourself while Barack Obama has betrayed no one's values or priorities.

Edited June 26, 2015 by Publicus

[stevenl]

Oh dear God. Is any one watching this President of ours speech during the SC Pastor funeral. Oh dear god . . . No wonder things are so jacked up right now including our health care laws. Agenda dude and he bolsters his reverse racism bs with Gods will and Gods grace. Disgusting.

The legacy of the Barack Obama presidency is taking its definitive shape and the right has lost...the right has lost big time. It's all been for naught.

The vast majority of American society has jettisoned the far out right in to deep space. The Republican candidate clown car has meanwhile gone in to a terminal zig zagging with the Donald at the wheel.

Your problem is that you view everything as right or left, black or white, night or day. That is not reality. Dude, I am a democrat. I have not voted Republican since Bush senior. Bill Clinton was ad still is my man.

People like you who view right and left are the ones lost and not living in reality. You are the ones that lose sight of what is healthy for all because you are so focused on extreme right or left and are against something just because it is from the right and not the left or visa versa.

I look at things objectively and what is good for everyone. Seriously, why should I give a hoot about the middle class which Obama has destroyed since he has been in office. Because I actually give a crap about good, hard working people.

Obama's artificial economy has created income disparity and destroyed the middle class. All of the QE bs actually made me a very rich man, but I am still objective enough to see the long term damage the moron has done.

Left does not exist in the USA.

[NeverSure]

What Obamacare is not: Health insurance for the masses. Forbes reports today that 9.5 million people have signed up for Obamacare. That's 9.5 mil of 330 million people. Since 2009.

What Obamacare is not: Free health insurance. Depending on income, the lowest can get subsidies. People who aren't otherwise insured but aren't low income are required to buy insurance at regular prices.

What Obamacare is not: Any kind of cost controls on the providers - doctors, hospitals, pharma, etc.

What Obamacare is: Welfare for the insurance companies. Wouldn't we all like the government to force people to buy our product?

What Obamacare is: Welfare for the stockholders of big pharma and health insurance companies and care providers. There is no attempt to regulate prices. The insurance companies receive subsidies to help pay some people's premiums at current health care costs. The biggest fans of Obamacare are the big corporations.

The big campaign contributors bought Congress while you were sleeping and subsidize them with taxpayer money. This mess is a joke on the people many but not most of whom think the emperor has clothes.

Edited June 26, 2015 by NeverSure

[NeverSure]

I should have mentioned that while this issue was before the SC, health care stocks on the US stock exchanged dropped quite a bit due to fear of losing this cash cow called Obamacare. They bounced right back up after the ruling.

Obama has tricked many of you and all I want to know is: What was in it for him? Who bought him?

President Obama wasn't the only one cheering Thursday's Supreme Court ruling in favor of Obamacare. Investors were too.

Big winner from Obamacare ruling: Health care stocks.

CNN Money.

Suckers.

Edited June 27, 2015 by NeverSure

[Publicus]

What Obamacare is not: Health insurance for the masses. Forbes reports today that 9.5 million people have signed up for Obamacare. That's 9.5 mil of 330 million people. Since 2009.

What Obamacare is not: Free health insurance. Depending on income, the lowest can get subsidies. People who aren't otherwise insured but aren't low income are required to buy insurance at regular prices.

What Obamacare is not: Any kind of cost controls on the providers - doctors, hospitals, pharma, etc.

What Obamacare is: Welfare for the insurance companies. Wouldn't we all like the government to force people to buy our product?

What Obamacare is: Welfare for the stockholders of big pharma and health insurance companies and care providers. There is no attempt to regulate prices. The insurance companies receive subsidies to help pay some people's premiums at current health care costs. The biggest fans of Obamacare are the big corporations.

The big campaign contributors bought Congress while you were sleeping and subsidize them with taxpayer money. This mess is a joke on the people many but not most of whom think the emperor has clothes.

Youse guyz on the reactionary right look pretty silly out there all naked and exposed. I think the Supreme Court would disapprove.

To begin with, the ACA is focused and targeted to the 15% who did not have any health care insurance and that's who's benefiting directly from it, while many other Americans who do have health and medical insurance get associated benefits.

That just counters your first invalid point. Your other points have much truth to them, especially the part about private insurance corporations also benefiting from the ACA, and it seems to me as a capitalist that's not a bad idea; that it in fact is a pretty good idea.

So get some clothes on before youse guyz catch cold.

The Obama presidency legacy is taking a definitive shape and form and the right has lost. The right has lost completely and big time. It was all for naught over there, big time. A wipeout.

Big time.

[F430murci]

Oh dear God. Is any one watching this President of ours speech during the SC Pastor funeral. Oh dear god . . . No wonder things are so jacked up right now including our health care laws. Agenda dude and he bolsters his reverse racism bs with Gods will and Gods grace. Disgusting.

The legacy of the Barack Obama presidency is taking its definitive shape and the right has lost...the right has lost big time. It's all been for naught.

The vast majority of American society has jettisoned the far out right in to deep space. The Republican candidate clown car has meanwhile gone in to a terminal zig zagging with the Donald at the wheel.

Your problem is that you view everything as right or left, black or white, night or day. That is not reality. Dude, I am a democrat. I have not voted Republican since Bush senior. Bill Clinton was ad still is my man.

People like you who view right and left are the ones lost and not living in reality. You are the ones that lose sight of what is healthy for all because you are so focused on extreme right or left and are against something just because it is from the right and not the left or visa versa.

I look at things objectively and what is good for everyone. Seriously, why should I give a hoot about the middle class which Obama has destroyed since he has been in office. Because I actually give a crap about good, hard working people.

Obama's artificial economy has created income disparity and destroyed the middle class. All of the QE bs actually made me a very rich man, but I am still objective enough to see the long term damage the moron has done.

Your right-left construct is your construct.

There is no significant or viable "left" in the USA so you're talking gibberish. America is a center-right political country with a center-left that is the American center-left. It looks nothing like political parties in Europe, South America, Australia/NZ and other places to include India.

The danger in the USA is not from the "left" and the risks to the American political system have never been from the "left."

With the gun nuts, god crazies, traditional marriage types, anti-abortion loonies, tea party taxation skinflints, racists, burned out trigger pulling Republican ni**** patrol cops, the past KKK and the likes of Joe McCarthyism and so much else, the American extreme reactionary radical right is and poses the great and real danger to the Constitution and to the political system.

So supporting Barack Obama is consistent with everything I've done all my life for 70 years.

It's just that simple. I have followed my beliefs and values consistently, resiliently, with a great reward and satisfaction. Take another look at my avatar.

So you'd need to chill on Barack cause it was your lousy judgement to begin with to vote for him. You hadn't ever been true to yourself to vote for him. You've betrayed yourself while Barack Obama has betrayed no one's values or priorities.

Oh lawd, I am speaking to a rock. You are the one that labels everything right or extremist. I always speak in terms of policy, impact, logic and etc.

WHT, there is no left in the US. You guys are hilarious and talk about trying to hit a moving target. Lol, that what I get for trying to converse with people on the internet.

[Publicus]

Yes, do take care of those wounds.

Change bandages daily and be sure to say your prayers.

[sdanielmcev]

Oh dear God. Is any one watching this President of ours speech during the SC Pastor funeral. Oh dear god . . . No wonder things are so jacked up right now including our health care laws. Agenda dude and he bolsters his reverse racism bs with Gods will and Gods grace. Disgusting.

The legacy of the Barack Obama presidency is taking its definitive shape and the right has lost...the right has lost big time. It's all been for naught.

The vast majority of American society has jettisoned the far out right in to deep space. The Republican candidate clown car has meanwhile gone in to a terminal zig zagging with the Donald at the wheel.

Your problem is that you view everything as right or left, black or white, night or day. That is not reality. Dude, I am a democrat. I have not voted Republican since Bush senior. Bill Clinton was ad still is my man.

People like you who view right and left are the ones lost and not living in reality. You are the ones that lose sight of what is healthy for all because you are so focused on extreme right or left and are against something just because it is from the right and not the left or visa versa.

I look at things objectively and what is good for everyone. Seriously, why should I give a hoot about the middle class which Obama has destroyed since he has been in office. Because I actually give a crap about good, hard working people.

Obama's artificial economy has created income disparity and destroyed the middle class. All of the QE bs actually made me a very rich man, but I am still objective enough to see the long term damage the moron has done.

Your right-left construct is your construct.

There is no significant or viable "left" in the USA so you're talking gibberish. America is a center-right political country with a center-left that is the American center-left. It looks nothing like political parties in Europe, South America, Australia/NZ and other places to include India.

The danger in the USA is not from the "left" and the risks to the American political system have never been from the "left."

With the gun nuts, god crazies, traditional marriage types, anti-abortion loonies, tea party taxation skinflints, racists, burned out trigger pulling Republican ni**** patrol cops, the past KKK and the likes of Joe McCarthyism and so much else, the American extreme reactionary radical right is and poses the great and real danger to the Constitution and to the political system.

So supporting Barack Obama is consistent with everything I've done all my life for 70 years.

It's just that simple. I have followed my beliefs and values consistently, resiliently, with a great reward and satisfaction. Take another look at my avatar.

So you'd need to chill on Barack cause it was your lousy judgement to begin with to vote for him. You hadn't ever been true to yourself to vote for him. You've betrayed yourself while Barack Obama has betrayed no one's values or priorities.

Oh lawd, I am speaking to a rock. You are the one that labels everything right or extremist. I always speak in terms of policy, impact, logic and etc.

WHT, there is no left in the US. You guys are hilarious and talk about trying to hit a moving target. Lol, that what I get for trying to converse with people on the internet.

He's so far left that he cut off his right arm.

[Chicog]

Nope. You lost. And dems are just as much in the pocket of their paymasters as well. Or are you really that naive?

I "lost" what?

Where is the Republican alternative to the ACA?

Where is the Republican alternative to the Immigration Bill Boehner spiked?

Edited June 27, 2015 by Chicog

[stevenl]

I should have mentioned that while this issue was before the SC, health care stocks on the US stock exchanged dropped quite a bit due to fear of losing this cash cow called Obamacare. They bounced right back up after the ruling.

Obama has tricked many of you and all I want to know is: What was in it for him? Who bought him?

President Obama wasn't the only one cheering Thursday's Supreme Court ruling in favor of Obamacare. Investors were too.

Big winner from Obamacare ruling: Health care stocks.

CNN Money.

Suckers.

So the conservatives should be happy.

[thaibeachlovers]

I agree. When President O. allowed the GOP to wee-wee on his health care bill and turn it into the mess it is now I started losing respect for him. He should have taken a firmer stand. And Republicans, whose real mascot is a horse's rear end, keep on and on about how terrible it is and should be repealed, etc. Well, the terrible stuff is what they insisted on. Wonder how much $$ the insurance companies paid those true patriots for their votes.

The real failure of this administration is how he let those hypocrtical congressional GOP dipsticks bully him. He needed a little bit of that 'bully pulpit" stuff. But I think he has learned a few things since then, and if the bill was in play now he'd do a better job of getting what he wants.

Care to explain how the Republicans impacted this bill.

In particular this portion of your post..."When President O. allowed the GOP to wee-wee on his health care bill and turn it into the mess it is now..."

You refer later in your post to the "terrible stuff they insisted on."

I would love to hear some specifics on these matters.

The bill was originally written to get the GOP on-board on almost every major point. The Republicans fought hard to dilute Obamacare and protect the insurance companies and the Doctors, both big contributors. In the end the Republicans, despite the major concessions, voted against the bill, out of sheer spite. They then went on to try and kill it for the next six years.

So, do a little research on your own and see where it could have been a much better plan except for the fact the Republicans are such dicks.

Please explain these 'major concessions.' Remember Pelosi saying " You don't have to read it"? Careful with your name calling as well. I could find many expletives to paint your political philosophy, but they only dilute the arguement.

I thought she said "you have to pass the bill to see what's in it".

Let's not forget Obama promising that you "can keep your Dr and keep your plan". Another in a long line of Obama lies ( like closing Guantanamo prison ).

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[chuckd]

Still waiting for details on how the Republicans messed up the ACA.

I suppose they have no answers so they will do the liberal thing when it comes to uncomfortable questions.

Ignore it and change the subject.

Edit in: Since the Supreme Court doesn't seem to understand plain English, the death spiral will likely take over the ACA. Premiums are estimated to be going up at an average of 10% for 2016.

You don't have to worry about the Health Insurance companies though. The ACA guarantees the companies will be held harmless from loss, with the US government (aka. taxpayers) standing ready to pay for any profit loss by the companies.

Ain't this a grand act of legislation?

Edited June 28, 2015 by chuckd

[thaibeachlovers]

No doubt Obama is hoping that he will be out of office before the full impact of this pile of manure hits the middle class big time.

[samran]

Still waiting for details on how the Republicans messed up the ACA.

I suppose they have no answers so they will do the liberal thing when it comes to uncomfortable questions.

Ignore it and change the subject.

Edit in: Since the Supreme Court doesn't seem to understand plain English, the death spiral will likely take over the ACA. Premiums are estimated to be going up at an average of 10% for 2016.

You don't have to worry about the Health Insurance companies though. The ACA guarantees the companies will be held harmless from loss, with the US government (aka. taxpayers) standing ready to pay for any profit loss by the companies.

Ain't this a grand act of legislation?

Don't worry Charles. You've got your socialised health care being in your geriatric years.

The GOP simply oppose the best solution for anyone else.

[Jingthing]

Latest teabooger battle cry ... Govmint (sic) hands off my Bamacare!!!!!

[lifeincnx]

Nope. You lost. And dems are just as much in the pocket of their paymasters as well. Or are you really that naive?

I "lost" what?

Where is the Republican alternative to the ACA?

Where is the Republican alternative to the Immigration Bill Boehner spiked?

That's just not fair. The Republicans have had a longstanding alternative to ObamaCare, the shortened name of which was "Repeal and Replace." The full name was "Repeal and Replace with Diddly-Squat."

[chuckd]

Senate Republicans Develop The Most Credible Plan Yet To 'Repeal And Replace' Obamacare

“Repealing and replacing” Obamacare with market-oriented reforms has been the Republican mantra for years now. If you’re a long-time follower of this space, you know that we’re skeptical that Obamacare will ever be repealed, GOP slogans to the contrary. Today, however, a trio of experienced Senate Republicans—Tom Coburn (Okla.), Richard Burr (N.C.), and Orrin Hatch (Utah)—have put forth the most thoughtful and constructive plan yet developed to repeal and replace Obamacare. The plan seeks to ensure that as many Americans have health coverage as Obamacare does. It’s a proposal grounded in the real-world tradeoffs that all serious reformers must make. Want to know how those tradeoffs might affect you?

Read on. http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/01/27/senate-republicans-develop-the-most-credible-plan-yet-to-repeal-and-replace-obamacare/

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January 2014

The Patient Choice, Affordability,

Responsibility, and Empowerment Act

http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/bf0c9823-29c7-4078-b8af-aa9a12213eca/The%20Patient%20CARE%20Act%20-%20LEGISLATIVE%20PROPOSAL.pdf

[Publicus]

ACA is market based and oriented.

The privately owned insurance companies, which includes every personal insurance company in the USA, provide the coverage and the newly insured pay to the insurance companies. Insurance companies set the rates and provide the coverage according to the new law.

Obamacare provides some subsidies because the ACA is focused on the 17 percent of Americans who had no health and medical care insurance at all, zilch, oogats, millions of whom now have it and more will have it.

Meanwhile, Republican controlled states are not participating in the Medicare provision of the ACA which does consciously and willfully deny ACA coverage to millions of the uninsured. Republican controlled states also have not set up their own ACA onoline exhanges which precludes a greater popular participation.

Republicans offer only denial and depravation to Americans eligible for ACA coverage. This is consistent with the Republican legacy.

[chuckd]

7.7M ObamaCare customers qualify for subsidies in 2015

By Sarah Ferris - 03/10/15 01:21 PM EDT

Nearly nine in 10 people who signed up for healthcare from the federal government this year qualify for subsidies, the Obama administration announced Tuesday.

A total of 7.7 million people would receive subsidies this year in the roughly three-dozen states using HealthCare.gov – a figure that has held steady since ObamaCare's first year.

The Obama administration touted the figure Tuesday to show that the vast majority of people in states using the federal exchange rely on subsidies as the Supreme Court weighs a case that could eliminate them.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/235211-vast-majority-of-obamacare-customers-to-receive-subsidies-in-2015

The article continues by saying the average each insured receives per month in subsidies is $263.00.

That means the US taxpayer is subsidizing the insurance industry to the tune of $2.025 Billion per month or a total of $24,301,200,000 annually.

And you wonder why the insurance industry were big supporters of Obamacare?

Edited June 29, 2015 by chuckd

[JakeSully]

[Publicus]

7.7M ObamaCare customers qualify for subsidies in 2015

By Sarah Ferris - 03/10/15 01:21 PM EDT

Nearly nine in 10 people who signed up for healthcare from the federal government this year qualify for subsidies, the Obama administration announced Tuesday.

A total of 7.7 million people would receive subsidies this year in the roughly three-dozen states using HealthCare.gov – a figure that has held steady since ObamaCare's first year.

The Obama administration touted the figure Tuesday to show that the vast majority of people in states using the federal exchange rely on subsidies as the Supreme Court weighs a case that could eliminate them.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/235211-vast-majority-of-obamacare-customers-to-receive-subsidies-in-2015

The article continues by saying the average each insured receives per month in subsidies is $263.00.

That means the US taxpayer is subsidizing the insurance industry to the tune of $2.025 Billion per month or a total of $24,301,200,000 annually.

And you wonder why the insurance industry were big supporters of Obamacare?

Pay people a decent wage and they might not need or demand transfer programs and monies such as the ACA must provide for it to be effective, viable, practical.

Employers paying employees a decent wage is good and sound economic and fiscal policy, which Republicans and the far out right that controls the R party call socialism.

The insurance companies btw are capitalists which is good.

[chuckd]

Look up the 49/29 rule in Obamacare and see how that works.

Edited June 30, 2015 by chuckd

[MaxYakov]

The Chief Justice again rewrites ObamaCare in order to save it.

"For the second time in three years, Chief Justice John Roberts has rewritten the Affordable Care Act in order to save it. Beyond its implications for health care, the Court’s 6-3 ruling in King v. Burwell is a landmark that betrays the Chief’s vow to be “an umpire,” not a legislator in robes. He stands revealed as a most political Justice."

"Chief Justice Roberts has now become a co-conspirator in this executive law-making. With the verve of a legislator, he has effectively amended the statute to read “established by the State—or by the way the Federal Government.” His opinion—joined by the four liberal Justices and Anthony Kennedy —is all the more startling because it goes beyond normal deference to regulators."

"More to the political point, the Chief argues that withdrawing the subsidies would undermine larger ObamaCare goals such as giving “certain people tax credits to make insurance more affordable” and could lead to bad policy consequences like higher costs. “It is implausible that Congress meant the Act to operate in this manner,” he writes."

The Political John Roberts - The Wall Street Journal June 25^th 2015

Edited June 30, 2015 by MaxYakov

[Chicog]

Ah the Fox Street Journal, how surprising that they aren't happy

[stevenl]

The Chief Justice again rewrites ObamaCare in order to save it.

"For the second time in three years, Chief Justice John Roberts has rewritten the Affordable Care Act in order to save it. Beyond its implications for health care, the Court’s 6-3 ruling in King v. Burwell is a landmark that betrays the Chief’s vow to be “an umpire,” not a legislator in robes. He stands revealed as a most political Justice."

"Chief Justice Roberts has now become a co-conspirator in this executive law-making. With the verve of a legislator, he has effectively amended the statute to read “established by the State—or by the way the Federal Government.” His opinion—joined by the four liberal Justices and Anthony Kennedy —is all the more startling because it goes beyond normal deference to regulators."

"More to the political point, the Chief argues that withdrawing the subsidies would undermine larger ObamaCare goals such as giving “certain people tax credits to make insurance more affordable” and could lead to bad policy consequences like higher costs. “It is implausible that Congress meant the Act to operate in this manner,” he writes."

The Political John Roberts - The Wall Street Journal June 25^th 2015

That's an opinion piece. Please also mention who wrote that opinion.