Long overstay.......urgent

[jspill]

Not quite anytime. He'll need to allow enough of an interval to elapse that it doesn't look like a back to back exit-entry

I know someone who overstayed by close to a year, paid the 20,000 on exit and then attempted to re-enter about a day later. Denied entry and had to book a flight home from the transit lounge.

Give it at least a few weeks, better longer IMO before re-entry.

More like give it 2 days not 1...

[tookwan cottage]

This topic always brings out the self-righteous and the teacher's pets. I find them infinitely more objectionable than even the most blatant overstayer.

Good on the OP's friend for getting right with Immigration (or intending to).

A pox on the usual suspects, and you know who you are...

Thank you for this. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am so far beyond the sanctimonious that it is almost an alien feeling when I encounter it again.

[jspill]

I re-entered 4 days on visa exempt after 11 year overstay at Suvarnabhumi last August, I was however questioned intently by the senior lady immigration officer on duty and having satisfied her I was allowed in visa exempt along with a strong warning to not overstay even by a single day in the future. So I guess it depends on which I/O you deal with as much as the length of time away....

Have also known half a dozen people come right back in after 1-4 years overstay, after only being out of Thailand for a weekend trip.

[nowretired]

I re-entered 4 days on visa exempt after 11 year overstay at Suvarnabhumi last August, I was however questioned intently by the senior lady immigration officer on duty and having satisfied her I was allowed in visa exempt along with a strong warning to not overstay even by a single day in the future. So I guess it depends on which I/O you deal with as much as the length of time away....

A visa exempt entry allows a stay of 30 days which is extendable by another 30 days.

What, if you plan to stay, are your plans for remaining in Thailand legally ?

[gilo]

I re-entered 4 days on visa exempt after 11 year overstay at Suvarnabhumi last August, I was however questioned intently by the senior lady immigration officer on duty and having satisfied her I was allowed in visa exempt along with a strong warning to not overstay even by a single day in the future. So I guess it depends on which I/O you deal with as much as the length of time away....

A visa exempt entry allows a stay of 30 days which is extendable by another 30 days.

What, if you plan to stay, are your plans for remaining in Thailand legally ?

Have been on tourist visas. As an aside no questions about the overstay thus far by either the visa issuing consulates or immigration officers (having reentered a number of times via both land and air borders) or indeed by I/O on requesting extensions have been ever raised. I am a few years shy of retirement age and once I hit 50 I will switch to a retirement visa or whatever it is officially called. Again my experience of immigration officers has been totally positive throughout.They gave me a grilling on clearing the overstay and on my first re-entry but since then all has been most pleasant.

[callaway]

Krustythebellend

[Walter Travolta]

He should be shot in the face.

These long term overstayers wreck the system and make it very difficult for us to get our ed visas.

What a horrible man.... horrible comment... and you want your ed visa for what? Because its a loophole for you???

I overstayed 12 months because of circumstances out of my control...

When I was able to, I fixed everything up all legal and now run my own business, while taking care of my wife and 2 daughters....

I agree there may at times be reasonable, though still not legal, reasons for overstaying, but the number of people who admit to overstaying on TV alone suggests too many people are overstaying in Thailand for rather flimsy reasons. The only justification for most foreigners being in Thailand at all is because they contribute to the economy, which many of them clearly are not doing.

Americans, Europeans and Australians tend to get their knickers in a knot about all the immigrants illegally (or often even those who are legal) in their countries. The Thai system seems to be remarkably forgiving, but as has been stated often before, the number of people who can't manage to comply with the rules usually make things more difficult for those who do play by the rules.

It seems all the more hypocritical given all the complaints posted about difficult or allegedly corrupt immigrations officers. Corruption and contempt for the law don't exist on one side only.

Bit of a sweeping statement regarding how Americans, Europeans and Australians feel about immigration?

I would like to advise you that most people in these countries are against immigrants that turn up and go straight into the benefits system. Not sure if you are aware but Thailand doesnt have a benefits system, be it for its own people, or foreigners. There is no correlation between the 2.

Those who live by the laws of the land will generally be OK so again, to say these random overstayers (not the ones who have it hard times, but the obvious scammers) affect the those who go about it the right way, seems like a bit of unnecessary finger pointing

[jspill]

^ Agreed, I wouldn't care about someone overstaying their 6 month tourist visa in the US, and continuing to be a tourist...

The idea of that then 'making things more difficult' for any of the other millions of tourists in the US would be laughable.

[Gary A]

Thanks for all the good information. I have totally disregarded the stupid hateful posts. I don't want to go into details but this guy made a massive investment (millions) in a business and all the considerable amount of real estate was put into a Thai name. Was that a stupid move? Yes indeed it was and he knows that. His business failed and he suffered a huge ripoff as far as his property. His life savings was lost. He was a generous trusting guy and he suffered for that. It's difficult for someone to overcome losing his life savings but I choose to try to help him. Hopefully he can forget his poor judgment and bad luck and get his life back to normal. He is certainly no longer wealthy but he is no longer hurting financially and has enough to live out his remaining days in some comfort. I wish him the best of luck for the future.

[FritsSikkink]

as has been stated often before, the number of people who can't manage to comply with the rules usually make things more difficult for those who do play by the rules.

It has indeed been stated often, but there's still zero evidence things have become more difficult for those who abide by the rules.

Here's paz saying it has no effect, he's basically a mod around these parts.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/839006-overstay-more-than-a-year/page-2#entry9601013

paz isn't a mod

[jspill]

paz isn't a mod

Hence the word basically.

[FritsSikkink]

paz isn't a mod

Hence the word basically.

no, you are or you aren't. there are no grades

[nithisa78]

again no ubonjoe. Put it in front of ask the lawyer. Without the rhetoric. Bad luck is no excuse for breaking the law.

Edited September 3, 2015 by nithisa78

[tubby johnson]

Another "a friend of mine" lol

Look, Gary, you've finally managed to gather the necessary cash amount. So head for a Thai embassy abroad, making sure that you're not arrested and imprisoned before you reach the border, and you can get yourself a retirement visa. No problems. Just keep a low profile on your way out.

[jspill]

paz isn't a mod

Hence the word basically.

no, you are or you aren't. there are no grades

Does it upset you Thailand doesn't have harsher overstay laws?

[FritsSikkink]

paz isn't a mod

Hence the word basically.

no, you are or you aren't. there are no grades

Does it upset you Thailand doesn't have harsher overstay laws?

no

[Gary A]

Another "a friend of mine" lol

Look, Gary, you've finally managed to gather the necessary cash amount. So head for a Thai embassy abroad, making sure that you're not arrested and imprisoned before you reach the border, and you can get yourself a retirement visa. No problems. Just keep a low profile on your way out.

Look Tubby, I carefully planned out my retirement. I'm happy to say that with a pension and Social Security that I'm quite comfortable and have a healthy surplus every month. I'm certainly not wealthy but my Thai wife and I are comfortable.

I very seldom post anymore on Thai Visa because of know it all and nasty people who actually know nothing. It does irritate me.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Gary A

[pontious]

paz isn't a mod

Hence the word basically.

no, you are or you aren't. there are no grades

You are right - he just thinks he is!

[thaibreaker]

He can leave at any border and pay the 20k overstay fine. He will not be blacklisted under current rules. He can come back anytime.

If he gets arrested before reaching a border he will be deported to his home country but still not blacklisted. Although he should understand that having been deported is a reason IO's can use to deny future entry. Still not likely to happen.

If he wants a retirement visa and extension he needs to get a non 'O' visa based on retirement from an embassy/consulate outside Thailand. After entering Thailand with that he will be given 90 days stay and he can apply for a 1 year extension of stay 30/45 days before the 90 days expires.

I know that you know the drill, but I have seen you have written a couple of times that one will be deported under these circumstances.

That is a little inaccurate, and can confuse some, I guess.

As you know, if caught overstaying and arrested, you will be placed in prison, IDC in Bangkok, and have to do all the work yourself to get the ticket and to leave the country. But there is a lady there who orders for you, at your cost.

If you are without money, and can`t get any help from others, you will remain in prison for as long as that takes. For some, it takes years actually. I have stayed there myself, and the longest stay I registered was 14 years, by a korean. A year inside or so, is not uncommon.

You will not be deported before you come up with the money (airplane ticket and the fine set by the court a couple of days after entering IDC, usually 3000 or 6000 bath). First then they escort you to the airport in handcuffs, and you can leave the country.

Just so there is no confusion about this.

Edited September 6, 2015 by thaibreaker

[zierf1]

My friend, 2 years is nothin' compared to what some guys have "accomplished"..

[elviajero]

He can leave at any border and pay the 20k overstay fine. He will not be blacklisted under current rules. He can come back anytime.

If he gets arrested before reaching a border he will be deported to his home country but still not blacklisted. Although he should understand that having been deported is a reason IO's can use to deny future entry. Still not likely to happen.

If he wants a retirement visa and extension he needs to get a non 'O' visa based on retirement from an embassy/consulate outside Thailand. After entering Thailand with that he will be given 90 days stay and he can apply for a 1 year extension of stay 30/45 days before the 90 days expires.

I know that you know the drill, but I have seen you have written a couple of times that one will be deported under these circumstances.

That is a little inaccurate, and can confuse some, I guess.

As you know, if caught overstaying and arrested, you will be placed in prison, IDC in Bangkok, and have to do all the work yourself to get the ticket and to leave the country. But there is a lady there who orders for you, at your cost.

If you are without money, and can`t get any help from others, you will remain in prison for as long as that takes. For some, it takes years actually. I have stayed there myself, and the longest stay I registered was 14 years, by a korean. A year inside or so, is not uncommon.

You will not be deported before you come up with the money (airplane ticket and the fine set by the court a couple of days after entering IDC, usually 3000 or 6000 bath). First then they escort you to the airport in handcuffs, and you can leave the country.

Just so there is no confusion about this.

Thanks. I do know but was trying to keep the information short and to the point, I'll try to be more specific in the future.

[stereolab]

It's quite easy to get into a financial mess.Things became " slightly tight " for myself a few months back.I had all the correct visas etc but had to return to the UK because i was ill and skint. I landed at London Heathrow ( after being abroad for 25 years ) dressed in shorts and t shirt and a pair of out of date flip flops and holding my life savings of 20 GBP. Passport control / Immigration looked at my passport and smiled at me and said " Been away Sir ....? " and then " i hope you have a coat with you sir,it's rather chilly outside....."

I am feeling much better now viewers and shall be returning to the land of smiles in due course with Donald Trump style funds and still wearing my out of date flip flops...............

Greetings to you all viewers!

F.J x

I wish you the best of British when you return. The comments made at Arrival in the UK are simply priceless.