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[h90]

How anyone coming from a democratic country cannot see this is beyond me. Yet we have a few on TVF who believe that the gun wins and is what Thailand needs

They've had plenty of the yellow Kool-Aid and think that the "father knows best" approach will work, again, eventually, maybe.

Until education improves, and it is, but time is required, maybe another 20 years, then 'father knows best' is better than 'the godfather knows best' of the Thaksin era.

Do you think Prayut knows best? Do you think the military will prepare the Thai people for democracy by improving education? Are you advocating 20 years of military rule?

If you answer yes to any one of these questions you are in a small minority.

20 would be too long, but 5-10 years would be good.

[heybruce]

Vote for charter = Army retains power and will threaten governments whenever it pleases

Vote against charter = Army stays until it gets it's way (see above)

Military Juntas are NOT a good thing, accountable to no one but the elite 'few'.

How anyone coming from a democratic country cannot see this is beyond me. Yet we have a few on TVF who believe that the gun wins and is what Thailand needs

You are right and now please explain how a dictatorship under Thaksin would be better...... Not exactly the hero of democracy as well.

The facility is always there to change a govt at the ballot box.

Short circuiting the whole thing with orchestrated protests and coups doesn't help in the long run.

Thaksin did take care of that already, when making the voting boots (is that the name in English) that way that everyone can see who you vote for. Only allow his stamps for voting and let taxi driver transport the boxes (1 taxi driver alone with the full box).

Of course beside the full scale vote buying.

So no you can't change something on the ballot box. Or why didn't the East Germans vote away Honecker or why don't the North Koreans vote away Kim Jong-un? Because such people twist the democracy till you can't change things at the ballot box anymore.

the protests and the coups exist only because police and more juridical system isn't working. Currently I can't see the military trying to repair that, so it won't help in the long run....as you said. But it helped in the short time frame.

I don't know if any of your Thaksin claims are correct, but they aren't relevant. The current junta came to power by toppling the government elected in a monitored election that was judged to reflect the will of the voters.

Also, you can change things with the ballot box. Countries with elections that offer real choices (unlike those in the former East Germany or the current North Korea) and with militaries that don't stage coups do so frequently.

Coups exist in Thailand because the army can get away with them and the elites have no respect for elected government.

Edited September 3, 2015 by heybruce

[heybruce]

How anyone coming from a democratic country cannot see this is beyond me. Yet we have a few on TVF who believe that the gun wins and is what Thailand needs

They've had plenty of the yellow Kool-Aid and think that the "father knows best" approach will work, again, eventually, maybe.

Until education improves, and it is, but time is required, maybe another 20 years, then 'father knows best' is better than 'the godfather knows best' of the Thaksin era.

Do you think Prayut knows best? Do you think the military will prepare the Thai people for democracy by improving education? Are you advocating 20 years of military rule?

If you answer yes to any one of these questions you are in a small minority.

20 would be too long, but 5-10 years would be good.

What do you think the military will do to promote democracy in five to ten years? All their actions to date have undermined democracy.

[LannaGuy]

Vote for charter = Army retains power and will threaten governments whenever it pleases

Vote against charter = Army stays until it gets it's way (see above)

Military Juntas are NOT a good thing, accountable to no one but the elite 'few'.

How anyone coming from a democratic country cannot see this is beyond me. Yet we have a few on TVF who believe that the gun wins and is what Thailand needs

You are right and now please explain how a dictatorship under Thaksin would be better...... Not exactly the hero of democracy as well.

ahhh Thaksin... that Luciferian ubiquitous Beast

[MZurf]

How anyone coming from a democratic country cannot see this is beyond me. Yet we have a few on TVF who believe that the gun wins and is what Thailand needs

They've had plenty of the yellow Kool-Aid and think that the "father knows best" approach will work, again, eventually, maybe.

Until education improves, and it is, but time is required, maybe another 20 years, then 'father knows best' is better than 'the godfather knows best' of the Thaksin era.

Do you think Prayut knows best? Do you think the military will prepare the Thai people for democracy by improving education? Are you advocating 20 years of military rule?

If you answer yes to any one of these questions you are in a small minority.

20 would be too long, but 5-10 years would be good.

Then you really are a brown shirt!

[MZurf]

Vote for charter = Army retains power and will threaten governments whenever it pleases

Vote against charter = Army stays until it gets it's way (see above)

Military Juntas are NOT a good thing, accountable to no one but the elite 'few'.

How anyone coming from a democratic country cannot see this is beyond me. Yet we have a few on TVF who believe that the gun wins and is what Thailand needs

You are right and now please explain how a dictatorship under Thaksin would be better...... Not exactly the hero of democracy as well.

The facility is always there to change a govt at the ballot box.

Short circuiting the whole thing with orchestrated protests and coups doesn't help in the long run.

Thaksin did take care of that already, when making the voting boots (is that the name in English) that way that everyone can see who you vote for. Only allow his stamps for voting and let taxi driver transport the boxes (1 taxi driver alone with the full box).

Of course beside the full scale vote buying.

So no you can't change something on the ballot box. Or why didn't the East Germans vote away Honecker or why don't the North Koreans vote away Kim Jong-un? Because such people twist the democracy till you can't change things at the ballot box anymore.

the protests and the coups exist only because police and more juridical system isn't working. Currently I can't see the military trying to repair that, so it won't help in the long run....as you said. But it helped in the short time frame.

Are you seriously comparing Thailand under Thaksin to the DDR and PRK?? If that is the case then anything you write should be read in that context and not taken very seriously.

The elections in Thailand were observed by representatives by the UN, EU and other organizations and deemed to be fair, and the man you so loath won - again and again. And it' patently obvious that you junta lovers simply cannot handle it.

[harada]

I would almost be inclined to think that some would be happy to have Thailand go back to a pre 1932 situation.