Russian warships strike targets in Syria

[craigt3365]

Proof please? CNN claims Russian missiles crashed in Iran, Moscow refutes, US can’t confirm

Published time: 8 Oct, 2015 22:16

Edited time: 9 Oct, 2015 01:15

https://www.rt.com/news/318059-russia-syria-ccn-iran-missiles/

RT is not a credible news source.

[derator01]

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[baboon]

I admit not being fully up to speed with the rights and wrongs of it all, but why is Russia's taking out ISIS/DAESH a bad thing if we in the west don't have the balls to do it ourselves? Are there forces in the west that secretly wish them to remain or something? Do western governments not wish to upset their new culture enrichers or what?

[slipperylobster]

Europeans were so ready to "do the right thing" ...and assimilate all the refugees. In Hiney site....now they are krappin der Lederhosen, thinking that they have just welcomed in a bunch of IS...and the Ruskies now have a reason to engage warship activity... Turkey is at risk....the middle east (as we known and hated)...is gone. Turkey now has the "watch".

Hellespointe.... heavy on the Hell

Edited October 9, 2015 by slipperylobster

[craigt3365]

I admit not being fully up to speed with the rights and wrongs of it all, but why is Russia's taking out ISIS/DAESH a bad thing if we in the west don't have the balls to do it ourselves? Are there forces in the west that secretly wish them to remain or something? Do western governments not wish to upset their new culture enrichers or what?

If they were only bombing ISIS sites, then it would be better. Unfortunately, a majority of the strikes are against anti-government rebels. With lots of collateral deaths.

Add to that, there are lots of coalition war planes in the area. Russia came in without a warning and NO coordination with anybody. Like a bull in a china shop.

[Gene1960]

Every paper and agency published that four Russian cruise missiles fired at Syria from the Caspian Sea landed in Iran, they cited an unnamed US officials. Still no proofs or confirmation from Iran.

I still tend to think that Russia has closed the technology gap and can rely not only on their nuclear warheads.

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[Barin]

Among other things, Putin is punishing Europe, intensifying the fighting in order to exacerbate the influx of immigrants to the EU.

No, I believe that this is absolutely wrong.

Just the opposite: Putin wants to save Russia and Europe from the influx of the refugees from the Middle East!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11866779/Russian-arms-to-Syria-prevent-even-bigger-refugee-flow-to-Europe-says-Putin.html

[Pakboong]

I admit not being fully up to speed with the rights and wrongs of it all, but why is Russia's taking out ISIS/DAESH a bad thing if we in the west don't have the balls to do it ourselves? Are there forces in the west that secretly wish them to remain or something? Do western governments not wish to upset their new culture enrichers or what?

If they were only bombing ISIS sites, then it would be better. Unfortunately, a majority of the strikes are against anti-government rebels. With lots of collateral deaths.

Add to that, there are lots of coalition war planes in the area. Russia came in without a warning and NO coordination with anybody. Like a bull in a china shop.

"I’ll risk saying that the United States and other countries included in the coalition led by it have put themselves in a politically ticklish situation and the question arises of whose side they’re fighting on in this war," Ryabkov added.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940716000590

This may not be on your preferred list of news sources either but, you will not hear about this stuff on any west approved news site.

[Barin]

I admit not being fully up to speed with the rights and wrongs of it all, but why is Russia's taking out ISIS/DAESH a bad thing if we in the west don't have the balls to do it ourselves? Are there forces in the west that secretly wish them to remain or something? Do western governments not wish to upset their new culture enrichers or what?

Yes, very interesting point of view!

[h90]

Proof please? CNN claims Russian missiles crashed in Iran, Moscow refutes, US can’t confirm

Published time: 8 Oct, 2015 22:16

Edited time: 9 Oct, 2015 01:15

https://www.rt.com/news/318059-russia-syria-ccn-iran-missiles/

RT is not a credible news source.

Iran also don't know about any missiles on their land and CNN has no proof.

And even if 4 missiles crashed....no problem send another 5.....

[Barin]

Europeans were so ready to "do the right thing" ...and assimilate all the refugees. In Hiney site....now they are krappin der Lederhosen, thinking that they have just welcomed in a bunch of IS...and the Ruskies now have a reason to engage warship activity... Turkey is at risk....the middle east (as we known and hated)...is gone. Turkey now has the "watch".

Hellespointe.... heavy on the Hell

Yes, probably from the American point of view (and America is always right, isn't it?) there is a risk to lose Turkey as a NATO country!

That is why NATO is in panic now...

Blowing all this hysteria around Turkey.

[Pakboong]

Proof please? CNN claims Russian missiles crashed in Iran, Moscow refutes, US can’t confirm

Published time: 8 Oct, 2015 22:16

Edited time: 9 Oct, 2015 01:15

https://www.rt.com/news/318059-russia-syria-ccn-iran-missiles/

RT is not a credible news source.

What I do is read both sides of the argument and then decide which version makes the most sense. By only reading one side, I guarantee you will be wrong much more often than you think.

[craigt3365]

I admit not being fully up to speed with the rights and wrongs of it all, but why is Russia's taking out ISIS/DAESH a bad thing if we in the west don't have the balls to do it ourselves? Are there forces in the west that secretly wish them to remain or something? Do western governments not wish to upset their new culture enrichers or what?

If they were only bombing ISIS sites, then it would be better. Unfortunately, a majority of the strikes are against anti-government rebels. With lots of collateral deaths.

Add to that, there are lots of coalition war planes in the area. Russia came in without a warning and NO coordination with anybody. Like a bull in a china shop.

"I’ll risk saying that the United States and other countries included in the coalition led by it have put themselves in a politically ticklish situation and the question arises of whose side they’re fighting on in this war," Ryabkov added.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940716000590

This may not be on your preferred list of news sources either but, you will not hear about this stuff on any west approved news site.

Fars news is from Iran, one of the main sponsors of Assad. Of course they're not going to say anything bad about this! LOL It'd be like Voice of America doing the same thing about US actions.

I don't pay attention to any websites like this, nor Russia Times. Nor VOA. The more independent, the better. You won't see this on any west approved news site because it's not news.

[craigt3365]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-bombing-russian-three-star-general-warned-us-officials-we-request-your-people-leave-a6674166.html

America first learned of Moscow’s plan to begin bombing operations in Syria when a Russian three-star general arrived at the US Embassy in Baghdad and asked that any forces or airstrikes in the area should leave immediately, it has emerged.

The demarche from Russia to clear air space over northern Syria sparked a heated discussion between US officials and the officer, Fox News reported.

“If you have forces in the area we request they leave," the general reportedly said.

This is not what Putin discussed at the UN the week before. Far from it, as your article clearly states. No coordination with the existing coalition.

[Rimmer]

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[Barin]

I admit not being fully up to speed with the rights and wrongs of it all, but why is Russia's taking out ISIS/DAESH a bad thing if we in the west don't have the balls to do it ourselves? Are there forces in the west that secretly wish them to remain or something? Do western governments not wish to upset their new culture enrichers or what?

If they were only bombing ISIS sites, then it would be better. Unfortunately, a majority of the strikes are against anti-government rebels. With lots of collateral deaths.

Add to that, there are lots of coalition war planes in the area. Russia came in without a warning and NO coordination with anybody. Like a bull in a china shop.

Russia came in without a warning and NO coordination with anybody. Like a bull in a china Shop.

I believe this is not true.

Before starting the attacks in Syria the Russian President frequently proposed that Russia wanted to cooperate with the Western Coalition headed by the US in order to coordinate the military operation and avoid any civilian casualties and minimize the so called "collateral damage".

Unfortunately the US have rejected the Russia's proposal.

So what are you talking about now?

Updated Sept. 28, 2015 3:00 p.m. ET

UNITED NATIONS — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday he will launch discussions on a United Nations resolution aimed at coordinating international efforts to fight Islamic State militants.

In a speech to the U.N. General Assembly, which came hours before his first formal meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama in more than two years, Mr. Putin attacked Western policies in the Middle East, including U.S. and European opposition to the Assad regime in Syria. He called for a broad coalition against Islamic State.

“First of all, we propose discussing whether it is possible to agree on a resolution aimed at coordinating the actions of all the forces that confront Islamic State and other terrorist organizations,” he said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-urges-u-n-to-help-coordinate-fight-against-isis-1443460834

[craigt3365]

You just made my point. Putin discussed coordinating efforts, but never did. Show a reference to an article where Putin called Obama to tell him personally he was going to bomb Syria. Not an article from RT, please. But you are 100% correct, Putin indicated a desire to do this, just never did.

[Barin]

You just made my point. Putin discussed coordinating efforts, but never did. Show a reference to an article where Putin called Obama to tell him personally he was going to bomb Syria. Not an article from RT, please. But you are 100% correct, Putin indicated a desire to do this, just never did.

Probably you are wrong.

Israel and Russia have agreed to coordinate military actions over Syria in order to avoid accidentally trading fire, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said during a visit to Moscow.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/russia-coordinate-syria-military-actions-israel-150922045752894.html

Netanyahu told Israeli reporters that he had informed the Americans "on each and every detail" of his Moscow visit, adding: "Everyone has an interest in avoiding an unnecessary clash" over Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/21/us-mideast-crisis-russia-israel-idUSKCN0RL10K20150921

While the bombing campaign has escalated tensions between Moscow and NATO members, Shoigu said Russia is ready to accept what he called U.S. proposals on coordinating strikes against Islamic State, a notion dismissed later on Wednesday by Defense Secretary Ashton Carter.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-07/russia-may-accept-u-s-proposals-to-coordinate-syria-airstrikes

The United States on Wednesday ruled out military cooperation with Russia in Syria's war, accusing Moscow of pursuing a "tragically flawed" strategy that would force it to limit military talks to basic pilot safety.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter's critique amounted to a rebuff of Russia, which had sought greater coordination as Moscow escalates its military role in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"We are not prepared to cooperate in a strategy, which as we explained, is flawed - tragically flawed - on the Russians' part," Carter told a news conference during a trip to Rome.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-russia-syria_56163408e4b0082030a1305a

So who is to blame for the so called "collateral damage" now?

America shares the responsibility because it refused to cooperate with Russia thus jeopardizing the lives of many innocent people in Syria.

Again we can see the ugly hypocritical face of America!

[cookee68]

Just get rid of Syria and explain your self after, carry on Russia

[uksomchai]

From the news reports I saw on the run up to Russia getting involved Putin made his intentions very clear before he started his bombing campaign. he said that he was going to go into Syria and back Assad and bomb anyone who was threatening Assad whether they were CIA backed rebels or ISIS. He seems to be doing exactly what he said he was going to do. America tried and failed to rid Syria of Assad by just arming the rebels and then refusing to give them air support when they needed it. The rebels then got rather p£ssed off and ISIS grew from it. You would think that highly intelligent people that run the country would have learnt from what happened in Afghanistan by arming and training the Taliban and Bin Laden to fight the Russians but they haven't

The Western Allies have tried and failed in the Middle East and need now to just accept this and pull out and leave Putin to resolve things for a while as much as it is going to hurt their overinflated egos

[Publicus]

Proof please? CNN claims Russian missiles crashed in Iran, Moscow refutes, US can’t confirm

Published time: 8 Oct, 2015 22:16

Edited time: 9 Oct, 2015 01:15

https://www.rt.com/news/318059-russia-syria-ccn-iran-missiles/

RT is not a credible news source.

Iran also don't know about any missiles on their land and CNN has no proof.

And even if 4 missiles crashed....no problem send another 5.....

Make it six since the failure rate of the first barrage is one in six.

[Harsh Jones]

Four of the long range cruise missiles hit Iran, which one could argue was not a part of the plan.

The Russian defense ministry showed some attempt at Russian humor by saying the four failed missiles assisted Iran by "plowing" ground there. The Russian-Syrian circus had already begun so claims by anyone of flawless anything were not only always premature, they were silly to have made.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc. There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining, and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

Syria conflict: Russian cruise missiles 'crash in Iran'

A number of cruise missiles fired from a Russian warship towards targets in Syria have reportedly crashed in Iran.

At least four missiles fell as they flew over Iran, two US officials said citing military and intelligence information.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-conflict-russian-cruise-missiles-crash-in-iran-a6686856.html

Made up by US officials. Denied by Iran and Russia.

[Publicus]

Four of the long range cruise missiles hit Iran, which one could argue was not a part of the plan.

The Russian defense ministry showed some attempt at Russian humor by saying the four failed missiles assisted Iran by "plowing" ground there. The Russian-Syrian circus had already begun so claims by anyone of flawless anything were not only always premature, they were silly to have made.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc. There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining, and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

Syria conflict: Russian cruise missiles 'crash in Iran'

A number of cruise missiles fired from a Russian warship towards targets in Syria have reportedly crashed in Iran.

At least four missiles fell as they flew over Iran, two US officials said citing military and intelligence information.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-conflict-russian-cruise-missiles-crash-in-iran-a6686856.html

Made up by US officials. Denied by Iran and Russia.

Set aside the dispute about the misfired missiles for a moment and just focus on the 26 long range cruise jobs that were fired by the Russian Navy.

The Russian missiles traveled through airspace in Iraq and Syria used by US warplanes of the US-Arab coalition and also used by warplanes of US-Arab partners outside the actual coalition, namely France and UK.

The US and Russia, each for their own reasons, are not cooperating on coordinating air activity or any kind or nature. One could expect that the guy in charge of the country, namely Bashir Assad, would step in to resolve the matter between the two countries, but Assad is president of only the Alawites and of some areas of Syria, not of the country and not the people of the country, those who anyway remain.

Bashir is the incredibly shrinking Assad and one can't be sure Syria is a country any more which has been true for a considerable time now.

Assad has mass murdered something like 270,000 Syrians and their families and created millions of refugees. Assad has now invited in a guy, Putin, whose incursion into another sovereign country, Ukraine, has caused only grief. The Putin-Assad template and pattern here is negative in the extreme. The US and Nato are biding their time in both places as Putin continues to swing his wrecking balls.

No matter how the Putin fanboyz try to spin it, Putin is busily creating a legacy of rubble to include the Russian economy.

Edited October 9, 2015 by Publicus