My first 90 report was a bust. Please list my options.

[1sickpuppy]

A non O visa only allows a 90 day stay so no 90 day report would be required. Are you actually on a one year extension of stay from immigration?

Should have payed the extra 3900 baht for multiple entry Then just do a border crossing, that is what i do but i reside 10 mins away from crossing

[ubonjoe]

Your choices are limited.

Best do a border run for new entry.

Skip the report for now and pay a 2000 baht fine later.

[KhunBENQ]

A non O visa only allows a 90 day stay so no 90 day report would be required. Are you actually on a one year extension of stay from immigration?

Should have payed the extra 3900 baht for multiple entry Then just do a border crossing, that is what i do but i reside 10 mins away from crossing

The topic starter has added that he has a Non O-A! And that is always a multiple.

Why would he have to do a 90 day report on a normal Non O?

ubonjoe has brought it to the point again, short and pregnant.

Option 1 or 2 (2000+ or border run)

[TigerandDog]

Have you tried doing it online?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/812263-online-90-day-reporting-available-from-april-1st/

Only one problem with online reporting. I was advised by Immigrattion last week, that you need IE10. Any other version of IE ( I also had this problem with Opera browser) you get "Security Certificate" warnings, as Immigration have not updated their security certificates, and have no plan to do so in the short term. Also, there is no provision to attach copies of your passport cover page, last entry stamp etc. so your online 90 report will most likely be rejected, as mine was, for not providing copies of the required documents.

As for the items listed by the poster, I've never had to produce copies of any documentation other than those mentioned above. Good luck.

[Dynalmadman]

Your choices are limited.

Best do a border run for new entry.

Skip the report for now and pay a 2000 baht fine later.

For the sake of argument, say I decided to blow off the report, and not do a border run.

Sometime in the future, I move and the new landlord files the TM-30, blah, blah, blah. Then, 80 some odd days later, I try to make another 90 day report. What happens? The officer notes that I missed one and fines me 2000baht? Then the new report flows from there? Or who assess the fine and when?

Thank you,

Michael

[ubonjoe]

Your choices are limited.

Best do a border run for new entry.

Skip the report for now and pay a 2000 baht fine later.

For the sake of argument, say I decided to blow off the report, and not do a border run.

Sometime in the future, I move and the new landlord files the TM-30, blah, blah, blah. Then, 80 some odd days later, I try to make another 90 day report. What happens? The officer notes that I missed one and fines me 2000baht? Then the new report flows from there? Or who assess the fine and when?

Thank you,

Michael

Move and get the paperwork needed including the TM30 and do your report.

The officer accepting the report will start the paperwork for the fine.

After you do report is completed you will get a receipt for it that will have your next report date.on it.

[elviajero]

Your choices are limited.

Best do a border run for new entry.

Skip the report for now and pay a 2000 baht fine later.

For the sake of argument, say I decided to blow off the report, and not do a border run.

Sometime in the future, I move and the new landlord files the TM-30, blah, blah, blah. Then, 80 some odd days later, I try to make another 90 day report. What happens? The officer notes that I missed one and fines me 2000baht? Then the new report flows from there? Or who assess the fine and when?

Thank you,

Michael

When you did your second report, and were fined for missing the first report, the IO would give you the date for your third report.

• If any IO notices a missed report at anytime they could charge you 2,000 baht.
• You can also be arrested (although highly unlikely to happen). 4,000 baht fine plus 200 baht per day until the report is made.

[Monkeyrobot]

If you have a multiple entry visa it only allows 90 day entries. You have to leave the country every 90 days to get a new entry.

The reports of staying over 90 days in the country are only for those on extensions of stay or a OA visa that allow them to stay longer than that.

You can get the new entry at a border crossing without a problem.

You can get a one year extension of stay. If your wife is Thai you apply for one based upon marriage. You will need 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.

Joe can you explain me the difference between a Non Imm O and a Non Imm OA ?? Thanks

[ubonjoe]

If you have a multiple entry visa it only allows 90 day entries. You have to leave the country every 90 days to get a new entry.

The reports of staying over 90 days in the country are only for those on extensions of stay or a OA visa that allow them to stay longer than that.

You can get the new entry at a border crossing without a problem.

You can get a one year extension of stay. If your wife is Thai you apply for one based upon marriage. You will need 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.

Joe can you explain me the difference between a Non Imm O and a Non Imm OA ?? Thanks

A non-o visa only allows 90 day entries a OA visa allows a one year entry.

Info for getting a OA visa is here: http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15385-Non-Immigrant-Visa-%22O-A%22-(Long-Stay).html

[Liquorice]

Immigration offices will require copies of the owners/landlords ID and Tabian Baan to enter those details on the system, especially for the first 90 day report.

As the 'tenant' or 'possessor' of the property you could complete the TM30 yourself.

You mention it was a Condo. Can the Condo management supply a copy of the landlords ID, or supply a covering letter confirming the landlord is overseas but confirming your address.

The quickest and cheapest solution has already been advised.

Book into a hotel for a couple of nights. They will submit the TM30 and use your receipt is proof of address.

You don't actually have to sleep there.

[BritTim]

None of those should be needed to do a 90 day report but at the end of they if they want documents you can't produce your only choices are those you suggest. Border run or move.

You're too late to report online or by post.

If I do a border run,

a. Is there a Best Place To Go From Bangkok?

My suggestion would be to fly out and back the same day somewhere with no visa requirement. There are often cheap flights to KL. Lion Air Saturday will cost you about 2,000 baht.

Land border hops may seem cheaper superficially, but often involve visa stamps and uncomfortable van journeys and save little in practice.

[Liquorice]

If you have a multiple entry visa it only allows 90 day entries. You have to leave the country every 90 days to get a new entry.

The reports of staying over 90 days in the country are only for those on extensions of stay or a OA visa that allow them to stay longer than that.

You can get the new entry at a border crossing without a problem.

You can get a one year extension of stay. If your wife is Thai you apply for one based upon marriage. You will need 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.

Joe can you explain me the difference between a Non Imm O and a Non Imm OA ?? Thanks

A Non Imm O can be single or multi entry but each stay is only valid for 90 days.

You must leave and re-enter Thailand to activate the next 90 days in the case of multi entry.

A Non Imm 0-A is multi entry valid for 1 year.

You can activate each 90 stay by either leaving and re-entering, or reporting to a local Immigration office.

[Sheryl]

Just make sure you have a re-entry permit before doing the border run....

[elviajero]

Just make sure you have a re-entry permit before doing the border run....

Not needed as he has a multi entry non 'O-A' visa.

[Liquorice]

Michael,

By law a hotelier or guesthouse must report an alien taking residence within 24 hours.

Pay for 2 nights and get a letter headed receipt for the address.

On 2nd day go and do the report again using the hotel address.

In my opinion that will be cheaper and less time consuming than a border run.

Speak to the Condo management. If the landlord isn't prepared to supply copies of his ID, then the management should notify him he shouldn't rent out to foreigners as the same situation will arise.

[Dynalmadman]

The quickest and cheapest solution has already been advised.

Book into a hotel for a couple of nights. They will submit the TM30 and use your receipt is proof of address.

You don't actually have to sleep there.

This is interesting. I could go into Bangkok, and get a room for a couple days. Then use the receipt as proof of residency to make my 90 day report?

No house book or owner ID required? Just need to make sure that the hotel registers their guests with immigration.

Thanks,

Michael

[watcharacters]

Hi guys,

Been renting a condo in Nonthaburi for 2 months. Made sure the owner knew the requirement of reporting my residence at time of rental. I am on a Non Imm-O-A visa, entered country on July 27th from US.

Ok. Today I went to immigration to make my first 90 day report. The officer wasn't really friendly, but managed to explain to my wife what we lacked.

1. We had no TM-30 copy to verify that the landlord ever reported us. I didn't know I was supposed to get a copy of this.

2. No copy of the landlord's ID card.

3. No copy of the house book pages.

Great, Left with this knowledge and had the wife call the landlord. There wound up being a very heated conversation, the details of which really don't matter. Suffice to say that she is currently out of the country and even if she agreed to do the paperwork, she has no access to the ta bien baan (sp?). The result was the the landlord is not to be bothered with the paperwork we need.

I am not here to cry about this, as it is my fault for not following up with the landlord earlier to see if they did the required paperwork. I am just looking for solutions.

Great, great. So, long term, obviously we need to secure another place to live. But the short term is the real issue here. My report is due on the 25th (this coming Sunday) which means my window extends 7 days after that. So looks like I have about 10 days to overcome this problem.

I see my short term options are twofold:

A. Do a border run. Would a simple van run, in and out, suffice, or do I need to fly out and return? And what address information do I give when I reenter? (Expensive option)

or

B.Hurriedly try to find a new place to live that has a landlord that will quickly file the required papers and hope I can get it all done in 10 days. (expensive, too)

If there are other options, I am eager to hear them.

Thank you,

Michael

Why not go back to immigration? Your landlord is breaking the law and can be fined.

Under the circumstances you've stated, I honestly think the whole matter could best be sorted out by your Thai wife who shares the same language and cultural background as the Imm. officer.

I definitely believe while it may not be a conscious thing on their part, the officers feel better about dealing with a Thai individual rather than a falang

Good luck to you in the end.

[Searat7]

I like to travel so make it a point to schedule my trips so that 90 day reporting is not necessary but if I did need a 90 day report would certainly do that online....anything to avoid a trip to Immigration.

[Dynalmadman]

Under the circumstances you've stated, I honestly think the whole matter could best be sorted out by your Thai wife who shares the same language and cultural background as the Imm. officer.

I definitely believe while it may not be a conscious thing on their part, the officers feel better about dealing with a Thai individual rather than a falang

Good luck to you in the end.

My wife did talk to him. He told her flat out that the required paperwork was the only solution. Then told us to move on as there were others waiting for his time.

Michael

[Dynalmadman]

I like to travel so make it a point to schedule my trips so that 90 day reporting is not necessary but if I did need a 90 day report would certainly do that online....anything to avoid a trip to Immigration.

First report must be made in person so as to get copies of the required papers to input into the system. Subsequent reports can be online, or via post, if you don't move.

Michael

[steve73]

Michael,

By law a hotelier or guesthouse must report an alien taking residence within 24 hours.

Pay for 2 nights and get a letter headed receipt for the address.

On 2nd day go and do the report again using the hotel address.

In my opinion that will be cheaper and less time consuming than a border run.

Speak to the Condo management. If the landlord isn't prepared to supply copies of his ID, then the management should notify him he shouldn't rent out to foreigners as the same situation will arise.

Alternative to this would be to find a "friend" who you could "stay" with, who could provide an address, with copy of house book, TM30 & 28 etc... at least this way you'll get your 90 day report sorted, and give you time to sort out the correct info for the place you are staying, or should you decide to move... I'm sure many of the "Visa" companies could provide same for a small fee.

[louse1953]

Not doing the 90 day report will cost you 2.000 baht fine.

So probably cheaper than a trip.

[JDGRUEN]

OP - Go check into a local Guest House -- get a good deal as you can ... Get a receipt for where you are staying. This will work .. .You do not have to live at your wife's residence ... nor any other place that requires a rental agreement or lease - or property ownership ... Just Rent a Room ... for 3-4 days a week ... or more ... Change the parameters - Yes ... it would cost money ... but is it worth it to have to deal with the jerk of a landlord and the stiffness of the Immigration officers....

There is not law against living in a Hotel ... go there.

[GOLDBUGGY]

I don't know if this will help you but we rented several times in the past and never had to get anything from our Landlord. What my Thai Wife told me what she did was to bring a copy of our lease agreement and fill out the form herself. It seemed to have worked then as we never had a problem with that ever and we moved about 5 times.

Did you try that first?

[louse1953]

The quickest and cheapest solution has already been advised.

Book into a hotel for a couple of nights. They will submit the TM30 and use your receipt is proof of address.

You don't actually have to sleep there.

This is interesting. I could go into Bangkok, and get a room for a couple days. Then use the receipt as proof of residency to make my 90 day report?

No house book or owner ID required? Just need to make sure that the hotel registers their guests with immigration.

Thanks,

Michael

Lets hope the Immi officer plays the game.

[ericthai]

OP, doesn't your wife's family have a house in Thailand? If so have her speak to them and use their address. Of course you will have to report to immigration in their area, but you can do 90 day reports via post.

As others have stated a hotel is an option or use a friends address.

If I were you I would just do a visa run. When I first moved to Thailand I never did any reports and always did visa runs.

I enjoyed getting out of the office for the day, take my girlfriend and typically stopped at a park and have a good meal somewhere.

However I did have a car so it was easy. Good Luck!

[csabo]

Have you tried doing it online?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/812263-online-90-day-reporting-available-from-april-1st/

I thought the first one had to be in person. Apologies if I was mistaken.

[csabo]

 

Have you tried doing it online?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/812263-online-90-day-reporting-available-from-april-1st/

Do you have any idea why online works for some and not others. It didn't work for me.

 

You using Internet wxplorer?

Or a mac with user agent?

[csabo]

When I did the reporting I had my passport and nothing else

Awesome. Very happy for you.

Well put, I kinda see his point though he did not elaborate. I also "had my passport and nothing else" when I did my first 90. I presume (prepared to be smashed to pieces following this post) that because I had produce tons of documentation for my Non B 1 Year Extension that those documents carried over as far as anything required to make my first and following 90's. 2 documents that I never requested or was told about mysteriously appeared stapled into my passport while I was getting the aforementioned extension, 1 was a proof of address form and the other a document telling me to report in 90 days on a specific date. In retrospect that was probably my first 90 day as it took that long to get my extension.

Back to you. If you have a bad landlord move. It does not magically fix itself and only gets worse especially around the time you want your deposit back. Good luck

[waynec78]

I had taken the Tm30 in yesterday to Chaengwattana for my wife as I have a Non O imm visa along with a copy of her id and house book for the townhouse as well other papers to be sure I had all bases covered. Long and short of it the IO never even looked at the supplied copies and quickly handed them all back to me and only put in the information from the Tm30 form. The IO was more interested to get me to do my 90 day extension which I will do next week on a visa run. I am so surprised to hear such trouble for one and not a mention for others. Yes do stay at a hotel for a couple of nights and then your free and clear.