'We must stand up to those who want us to kneel'

[Enoon]

There's no threats to Thailand, because Thailand has the good sense to stay out of the whole debacle.

This is a terrible waste of life , but don't pretend these things happen in a vacuum.

Governments compromised our safety ? Ingrates ?? What's a muslim refugee ever done to you to deserve all the hate ?

There's some crappy interpretations of Islam, I agree, but there's crappy Christians too, even the Bhuddists get into some ultraviolence thesedays.

Religions are all equally crappy, frankly speaking.

Moreover, I think it's unfair to lump refugees together with hardcore militants who'll kill civilians and then themselves.

Crazy sh*t like that is exactly what they're trying to get away from.

A million people don't leave everything, walk across the Mediterranean because things are going well at home.

I promise you they're infinitely more scared and uncertain of their future than you are.

Government's role should be helping these people, because in another set of circumstances it could be you.

1 I do not see the " crappy Christians" gunning anybody down or..

2 Yes a million people on the march because"things are not going well at home" They sure know which countries where the freebies manifest though,not content where safety lies firstly,gimme,gimme gimme,looks as if their sojourn in the sun (Cyprus) has backfired,back to home base.

3 Lastly ,the refugees will mostly be moslem,their sympathies do not lie with western christian countries,terrorists or not they identify with their own kith and kin far more rapidly,even if he does tote a Kalashnikov

Not into researching today, so you'll just have to make do with these for now:

Lord's Resistance Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe there's a similar group in India.

[dageurreotype]

Again with the 'WE' must stand up to them. Who rattled their cages and then invited them in?

I do wish these safe-in-their-little-castle Ambassadors et al could let US know how WE are supposed to 'stand up' to a Kalashnikov/scimitar/bomb vest? Enough with the 'oh sticks and stones' approach. HOW?

[Enoon]

The western leaders should be held accountable for this ,the people knew this would happen ,Muslims are at war everywhere they go

"Muslims are at war everywhere they go" is the sort of sentiment that was expressed towards Catholics in 16th/17th century Protestant England.

But that was the "Golden Age" of European religious bigotry, intolerance and savagery.

There are still plenty of Protestants in Northern Ireland who feel the same.

Watch the sparks (and bullets) start to fly again when Catholics in NI outnumber Protestants, and somebody suggests a referendum on re-union with the South.

It will happen.

[Bluespunk]

The western leaders should be held accountable for this ,the people knew this would happen ,Muslims are at war everywhere they go

"Muslims are at war everywhere they go" is the sort of sentiment that was expressed towards Catholics in 16th/17th century Protestant England.

But that was the "Golden Age" of European religious bigotry, intolerance and savagery.

There are still plenty of Protestants in Northern Ireland who feel the same.

Watch the sparks (and bullets) start to fly again when Catholics in NI outnumber Protestants, and somebody suggests a referendum on re-union with the South.

It will happen.

It could happen.

Let's hope the on going peace process, despite its difficulties, will avoid a return to those dark days.

[Enoon]

The good Ambassador is correct , the Muslim world seem to carry enormous amount of baggage and there is no guarantee that in years to come that taking these people in as refugee's won't backfire big time , to say this doesn't affect Thailand , one wonders if these persons has been living in a cave , there has been an ongoing conflict with Muslim Extremists in the south for a hundred years, more increased attacks in the last 15 years , terrorist fighting for a secular state, Thailand, like any country has to be ever vigilant..........

"ongoing conflict with Malay Separatists"

That's what they were before anyone heard of the latest "extremist" groups.

Any affiliation they have with the current crop is purely one of convenience.

They never wanted to part of Siam/Thailand. Because they are Malay.

They were sold up the river by an agreement between Great Britain and Siam.

[slapout]

The USA, Europe and most of the rest of the civilized world seem intent on waging a war against terroists by following a set of morals / rules

which those they are after do not follow.

I wonder how the moslems and the bleeding hearts for humanity would react if and when the terroists are identified , which they will be, their home village/birth place /family are identified and subsquently blown to ''kingdom come''? If the village populations are as intermarried and related as has been rumored by some, you would essentially for all intents and purpose eliminate the family blood line in total.

How many would leave the western world to travel to join this group.? How many who reside in the middle east would join the Isis? Knowing that this would be the reprisal they and every family member, no matter of their location would recieve?

[Hawk]

There's no threats to Thailand, because Thailand has the good sense to stay out of the whole debacle.

This is a terrible waste of life , but don't pretend these things happen in a vacuum.

Governments compromised our safety ? Ingrates ?? What's a muslim refugee ever done to you to deserve all the hate ?

There's some crappy interpretations of Islam, I agree, but there's crappy Christians too, even the Bhuddists get into some ultraviolence thesedays.

Religions are all equally crappy, frankly speaking.

Moreover, I think it's unfair to lump refugees together with hardcore militants who'll kill civilians and then themselves.

Crazy sh*t like that is exactly what they're trying to get away from.

A million people don't leave everything, walk across the Mediterranean because things are going well at home.

I promise you they're infinitely more scared and uncertain of their future than you are.

Government's role should be helping these people, because in another set of circumstances it could be you.

1 I do not see the " crappy Christians" gunning anybody down or..

2 Yes a million people on the march because"things are not going well at home" They sure know which countries where the freebies manifest though,not content where safety lies firstly,gimme,gimme gimme,looks as if their sojourn in the sun (Cyprus) has backfired,back to home base.

3 Lastly ,the refugees will mostly be moslem,their sympathies do not lie with western christian countries,terrorists or not they identify with their own kith and kin far more rapidly,even if he does tote a Kalashnikov

I have met hundreds of these so called refugees in Greece and they were all headed to countries where the benefits were the best, and all the Syrians I met had plenty of money for food and travel, nearly all were carrying either an IPhone or a Samsung smartphone, and dressed well. in this mix were some Palestine and Lebanese. Non of them were poor, all had passports, and the boat fare from Turkey to Greece is approx. U$1000 were per person.

The Afgans, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Chinese were also everywhere in Greece but they were not refugees but economic migrants, most of these peole were poor.

The other big group of economic migrants are the thousands of black africans that are living rough throughout southern europe, they are not refugees either, just homeless and penniless.

[Nobb]

Thank you for the great response Thailand!

[daveAustin]

There's no threats to Thailand, because Thailand has the good sense to stay out of the whole debacle.

This is a terrible waste of life , but don't pretend these things happen in a vacuum.

Remember the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lybia, and Syria ?

Funding rebels, sorry, ISIS, fighting proxy wars in someone else's back yard. Flying drones around dropping bombs on people.

Governments compromised our safety ? Ingrates ?? What's a muslim refugee ever done to you to deserve all the hate ?

There's some crappy interpretations of Islam, I agree, but there's crappy Christians too, even the Bhuddists get into some ultraviolence thesedays.

Religions are all equally crappy, frankly speaking.

Moreover, I think it's unfair to lump refugees together with hardcore militants who'll kill civilians and then themselves.

Crazy sh*t like that is exactly what they're trying to get away from.

A million people don't leave everything, walk across the Mediterranean because things are going well at home.

I promise you they're infinitely more scared and uncertain of their future than you are.

Government's role should be helping these people, because in another set of circumstances it could be you.

Huge numbers of those flooding into Europe are male economic migrants and within them is a dodgy element impossible to police. Your bleeding heart tripe (similar to our PC-scared, collective governments) is what will sink us. Shit would have happened in Syria regardless of intervention. Those governments and their peoples/beliefs are a mess. The vulnerable need serious help but not like this lest we compromise everything we have built up. I propose resettling these folk in Turkey (with huge funding) before eventual repatriation to their homelands.

Oh, btw, Thailand also has a huge problem and is under great threat. Hadn't you noticed?

[Srikcir]

Prayut is okay with people standing up.

It's just the three fingers thingie that he will not tolerate. And with people standing it's easier for them to be directed to an attitide adjustment session should they not be very complimentary of the junta.

[JohnnyJazz]

The USA, Europe and most of the rest of the civilized world seem intent on waging a war against terroists by following a set of morals / rules

which those they are after do not follow.

I wonder how the moslems and the bleeding hearts for humanity would react if and when the terroists are identified , which they will be, their home village/birth place /family are identified and subsquently blown to ''kingdom come''? If the village populations are as intermarried and related as has been rumored by some, you would essentially for all intents and purpose eliminate the family blood line in total.

How many would leave the western world to travel to join this group.? How many who reside in the middle east would join the Isis? Knowing that this would be the reprisal they and every family member, no matter of their location would recieve?

Slapout are you by any chance related to the terrorists? Because you exactly described their intention.

Let's me rephrase your post "How many who reside in Europe or the USA would join the coalition against ISIS knowing that this would be the reprisal they and every family members, no matter of their location would receive ?"

Furthermore "blowing to kingdom come" their home village/birth place /family is what we are already doing. It really works great, isn't it ?

Edited November 15, 2015 by JohnnyJazz

[JohnnyJazz]

Talking about the situation in France there are three different problems that need to be addressed separately.

- The war in the Middle East. This is not our war, we should let Iran and Saudi Arabia solved their mess by themselves (with the help of Russia if it pleases Putin) and get out of there as soon as possible.

- The migrant : Separate the wheat from the chaff, give temporary shelter to the war refugees and send back the economical migrants.

- Local minorities : A big cleaning is long overdue here too

.

But the first step is to recognize there are three different problems and religion is not one of them.

[Baerboxer]

The western leaders should be held accountable for this ,the people knew this would happen ,Muslims are at war everywhere they go

BS

You cannot stereotype Muslims anymore than anyone else.

Muslims from Pakistan, Afghanistan are very different from Arabs, Africans and S E Asians.

However, many Muslims, especially from the poorer countries which provided limited education but lots of religious indoctrination make zero attempt to integrate whilst accepting all the benefits from their "new countries". The second and third generations become very culturally confused and this uncertainty about their culture, where they belong, what's happening in their parent's old country, to relatives etc makes them ripe for radicalization.

Bending over backwards, which was something many countries forced their own citizens to do with legislation, to allow these Muslim migrants to settle without integrating and keeping all their own culture, values, laws and practices has created this potentially explosive situation.

If push comes to shove, will the vast majority of non terrorist Muslims back the new host countries and laws or will they side with fellow Muslims? Which do you think?

[Baerboxer]

Send in the Foreign Legion and let's put an end to these people once and for all.

Isn't part of the proud history of the FFL that they've never won a battle?

Seriously, where would you send them?

Are you suggesting Western and possibly Russian ground troops?

[Doc46]

To speak Louder or Yell is not going to change a thing.The leaders of the countries Know what to do,but they are to scared of doing this,,The Humanitarian Society wont let this happen They seem to have more power than the rest of the world.

[GreasyFingers]

Talking about the situation in France there are three different problems that need to be addressed separately.

- The war in the Middle East. This is not our war, we should let Iran and Saudi Arabia solved their mess by themselves (with the help of Russia if it pleases Putin) and get out of there as soon as possible.

- The migrant : Separate the wheat from the chaff, give temporary shelter to the war refugees and send back the economical migrants.

- Local minorities : A big cleaning is long overdue here too

.

But the first step is to recognize there are three different problems and religion is not one of them.

But the common denominator is one religion

[phantomfiddler]

The good Ambassador is correct , the Muslim world seem to carry enormous amount of baggage and there is no guarantee that in years to come that taking these people in as refugee's won't backfire big time , to say this doesn't affect Thailand , one wonders if these persons has been living in a cave , there has been an ongoing conflict with Muslim Extremists in the south for a hundred years, more increased attacks in the last 15 years , terrorist fighting for a secular state, Thailand, like any country has to be ever vigilant..........

I may be mistaken, but I just heard this afternoon that one of the attackers in Paris was indeed a recent "refugee" ! Things can only get worse

[cheapcanuck]

We need a war plan for combating a pirate like TAZ - like Hakim Bey defines - That's what these guys ISIS (daesh) are - They are a Temporary Automous Zone. They have to be defunded and deweaponzied and subjected to high order police control. It;s time for so called global leaders to stop blowing hot air at these meetings and discussions and to articulate a war plan to combat ISIS (daesh)

At what cost...my liberty...no thankyou.

[JohnnyJazz]

Talking about the situation in France there are three different problems that need to be addressed separately.

- The war in the Middle East. This is not our war, we should let Iran and Saudi Arabia solved their mess by themselves (with the help of Russia if it pleases Putin) and get out of there as soon as possible.

- The migrant : Separate the wheat from the chaff, give temporary shelter to the war refugees and send back the economical migrants.

- Local minorities : A big cleaning is long overdue here too

.

But the first step is to recognize there are three different problems and religion is not one of them.

But the common denominator is one religion

(Vague) correlation does not imply causation.

[cooked]

1. The aim of of Islam is to oblige all non Muslims to become their slaves, pay money to avoid this or be killed. It's in the Koran.

2. They have repeatedly said that their aim is to conquer Europe, whether through the stomachs of their women or otherwise doesn't matter. 40% of Muslims in Europe wish for an introduction of strict Sharia law, including the amputations and stonings.

3. They despise non Muslims.

4. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim or a radical Muslim. How do I know> Erdogan, the guy that believes that Mohammed flew around on a white horse to the moon, Damascus or whatever, and also happens to be the president of Turkey, said so.

5. There is no such thing as a religion of peace, most the nice bits were abrogated by the later verses.

6. I don't hate anyone, I do despise people that don't do some research on what is a radical change that is taking place in Europe. I don't have a bad conscience about being European, anything that the Muslims accuse us of they have done themselves in the past, with spades.

[Geordie59]

These savages do want us to kneel in front of them.
They want to erridacate us from the planet.
End of!

[Chicog]

When I saw the title of this thread I assumed it was about Ted Cruz.

[LuckyNo4]

There's no threats to Thailand, because Thailand has the good sense to stay out of the whole debacle.

This is a terrible waste of life , but don't pretend these things happen in a vacuum.

Remember the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lybia, and Syria ?

Funding rebels, sorry, ISIS, fighting proxy wars in someone else's back yard. Flying drones around dropping bombs on people.

Governments compromised our safety ? Ingrates ?? What's a muslim refugee ever done to you to deserve all the hate ?

There's some crappy interpretations of Islam, I agree, but there's crappy Christians too, even the Bhuddists get into some ultraviolence thesedays.

Religions are all equally crappy, frankly speaking.

Moreover, I think it's unfair to lump refugees together with hardcore militants who'll kill civilians and then themselves.

Crazy sh*t like that is exactly what they're trying to get away from.

A million people don't leave everything, walk across the Mediterranean because things are going well at home.

I promise you they're infinitely more scared and uncertain of their future than you are.

Government's role should be helping these people, because in another set of circumstances it could be you.

Agree with you. "The intention of all terrorist attacks is to silence us and make us abandon our values of liberty, equality and fraternity." That's not true, all what they want is we (The French and others) stop bombing them and messing with their internal affairs.

Back in 2003 an other French warned about the dangers of war and despite receiving applauds from fellow U.N. Security council members, we didn't listen to him. We pay the price today.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcrizh_dominique-de-villepin-a-l-onu-le-14_news

Here is the English translation : https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/French_address_on_Iraq_at_the_UN_Security_Council

I really don't understand how everyone can think its ok to invade and rape and pillage other countries killing hundreds of thousands directly and millions indirectly and expect there not to be some kind of retaliation.Wheres the outcry on that front? Our greedy governments are to blame for this. Their wanton greed for power over other countries is causing this whole issue. Normal people don't want war they have no need for it. Only greedy <deleted> want it. None of this affects them or their families they hide away in their castles. Ask yourself what you would do if someone, anyone killed your family. I know i would want revenge in any form. The generalization of hundreds of millions of muslim people is just wrong.. Media fueled brainwashing of the masses. Its sick...just to get approval for an elite agenda.

[ggt]

The only reason Islamic terrorists want us to kneel...is so they can more easily remove our heads...

[Bluespunk]

1. The aim of of Islam is to oblige all non Muslims to become their slaves, pay money to avoid this or be killed. It's in the Koran.

2. They have repeatedly said that their aim is to conquer Europe, whether through the stomachs of their women or otherwise doesn't matter. 40% of Muslims in Europe wish for an introduction of strict Sharia law, including the amputations and stonings.

3. They despise non Muslims.

4. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim or a radical Muslim. How do I know> Erdogan, the guy that believes that Mohammed flew around on a white horse to the moon, Damascus or whatever, and also happens to be the president of Turkey, said so.

5. There is no such thing as a religion of peace, most the nice bits were abrogated by the later verses.

6. I don't hate anyone, I do despise people that don't do some research on what is a radical change that is taking place in Europe. I don't have a bad conscience about being European, anything that the Muslims accuse us of they have done themselves in the past, with spades.

You really are full of it.

[CharlieH]

DONT GET PERSONAL, debate the issue/topic, not the poster

7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.

[ableguy]

There's no threats to Thailand, because Thailand has the good sense to stay out of the whole debacle.

This is a terrible waste of life , but don't pretend these things happen in a vacuum.

Remember the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lybia, and Syria ?

Funding rebels, sorry, ISIS, fighting proxy wars in someone else's back yard. Flying drones around dropping bombs on people.

Governments compromised our safety ? Ingrates ?? What's a muslim refugee ever done to you to deserve all the hate ?

There's some crappy interpretations of Islam, I agree, but there's crappy Christians too, even the Bhuddists get into some ultraviolence thesedays.

Religions are all equally crappy, frankly speaking.

Moreover, I think it's unfair to lump refugees together with hardcore militants who'll kill civilians and then themselves.

Crazy sh*t like that is exactly what they're trying to get away from.

A million people don't leave everything, walk across the Mediterranean because things are going well at home.

I promise you they're infinitely more scared and uncertain of their future than you are.

Government's role should be helping these people, because in another set of circumstances it could be you.

What a crock, I think Jesus was the only one who ever claimed to have walked on water, and I still think he was on a boat, as for these radicals and the refugees they are creating, the future will be like Bradford is now in the UK, total class division and only through the religious beliefs of the Muslim population, a tinderbox waiting to explode, a multicultural society does not work in Paris or London. No other religion hates like these radicals simply because you are not like them.

Bring on the drones. Rid the world of them and go back to the true Islam.

[nithisa78]

Unity, there's a message most of the foreign posters, won't have any clue.

Their's is just to complain and criticize. Remain malcontented and feed their discontent point fingers.

To help others is language near none of them speak. Just keep their minds in darkness.

Lord have mercy. Lift up their hearts.

[nithisa78]

1. The aim of of Islam is to oblige all non Muslims to become their slaves, pay money to avoid this or be killed. It's in the Koran.

2. They have repeatedly said that their aim is to conquer Europe, whether through the stomachs of their women or otherwise doesn't matter. 40% of Muslims in Europe wish for an introduction of strict Sharia law, including the amputations and stonings.

3. They despise non Muslims.

4. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim or a radical Muslim. How do I know> Erdogan, the guy that believes that Mohammed flew around on a white horse to the moon, Damascus or whatever, and also happens to be the president of Turkey, said so.

5. There is no such thing as a religion of peace, most the nice bits were abrogated by the later verses.

6. I don't hate anyone, I do despise people that don't do some research on what is a radical change that is taking place in Europe. I don't have a bad conscience about being European, anything that the Muslims accuse us of they have done themselves in the past, with spades.

You really are full of it.

Very polite way to put it. If I spoke, would have gotten suspended again.

[JohnnyJazz]

It seems people are a bit confused about what's going on in the Middle East. It's not a Crusade, Christian against Muslims, but a conflict between on one side Saudi Arabia, Qatar and their western allies and on the other side Al-Assad of Syria, Iran and their allies. The west thought they could create an insurrection movement that will do the dirty work on their behalf, Daech also known as ISIS. Unfortunately, as with Frankenstein's monster, the plan terribly backfired.

Following the terrorist attack, the mood in France is now for a reversal of alliance, siding with Iran, Russia and Al Assad, against Daech and its supporters Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/citations/2015/11/14/25002-20151114ARTFIG00215-l-executif-somme-de-revoir-sa-politique-etrangere-de-la-droite-jusqu-au-ps.php

Edited November 15, 2015 by JohnnyJazz