King Abdullah: give Palestinians their rights

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King Abdullah: give Palestinians their rights



ROME: -- The Italian Prime Minister has outlined his long-term solution to the turmoil in the Middle East.

Speaking at the opening of the Mediterranean Dialogues conference in Rome (MED 2015), Matteo Renzi called for a unified strategy to combat extremism.

He also criticised the harsh statements about Muslims emanating from the US primaries campaign.

The Italian prime minister was followed by King Abdullah II of Jordan.

He told delegates the only way forward for Syria is a credible, inclusive, non-sectarian future preserving the country’s unity and independence.

He also called for more rights for Palestinians.

“Today is International Human Rights Day, but until the Palestinians achieve their rights, millions of people around the world will be cynical about the reality of global justice. Now terror propaganda and recruitment thrive on this conflict.”

There has been an surge in violence between Palestinians and Israelis since October.

Three Israelis were wounded on Thursday when their car was rammed in the West Bank.

At least 106 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces in clashes across Israel, Jerusalem and the West Bank.

19 Israelis and a US citizen have also died in shootings, stabbings and car-rammings.

Prime Minister Renzi and King Abdullah have been joined in Rome by other policy-makers and stakeholders from around the Mediterranean to share ideas and best practice on how to take the region forward.

Who is invited?

150 stakeholders from the relevant governments, parliaments, international organisations, business and civil society in countries on the northern and southern shores of the Mediterranean are there.

40 separate countries are represented at the event.

A new narrative for the region

Different political systems, challenging socio-economic conditions and the juxtaposition of three great monotheistic religions combine to make the Mediterranean a volatile region.

The MED – Rome Medirerranean Dialogues is meant to give fresh impetus to relations in the area.

Created by the ISPI international relations think-tank in Rome, the aim of the forum is to stimulate ideas, to look at famiiar problems from a fresh perspective and to share best practice both at regional and international level.

Discussions during the three-day programme are organised around four main themes:

Shared Prosperity
Migration
Shared Security
Media, Culture & Society

Did you know?

22 countries border the Mediterranean
Total 2010 population was 466 million
529 million predicted by 2025
Average GDP North Med:25,853 euros
Average GDP South Med:4,958
Very sharp divide in GDP per capita; wealth gap is 1.5 (WEF 2011 )


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[Ulysses G.]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[ezzra]

"“Today is International Human Rights Day, but until the Palestinians achieve their rights, millions of people around the world will be cynical about the reality of global justice. Now terror propaganda and recruitment thrive on this conflict.”

The last person who should talk about giving rights to Palestinians is the Hashemite monarchs, where by King Husain of Jordan has. in 1970. massacred many thousand of Palestinians people in Jordan, and now he's calling the kettle black....

Now days, Palestinians has become synonym with Terrorism, and terrorist don't have rights, period...

Lay down you guns, bombing incendiaries, knives, rocks and all other weapons and start building a country,

[bassman]

"“Today is International Human Rights Day, but until the Palestinians achieve their rights, millions of people around the world will be cynical about the reality of global justice. Now terror propaganda and recruitment thrive on this conflict.”

The last person who should talk about giving rights to Palestinians is the Hashemite monarchs, where by

King Husain of Jordan has. in 1970. massacred many thousand of Palestinians people in Jordan, and now

he's calling the kettle black....

Now days, Palestinians has become synonym with Terrorism, and terrorist don't have rights, period...

Lay down you guns, bombing incendiaries, knives, rocks and all other weapons and start building a country,

And where should the Palestinians build a country?

[OMGImInPattaya]

The Zionists will not hear of it.

[Linky]

Support fo palestinians just keeps growing and growing. Israel will never sign a peace deal, they will just throw up more obstacles to ensure one cannot be signed. The rest of the world knows this, so no need for palestinians to sign with israel.

Before long it will only be israel and the US not acknowledging palestine, then the US will be fed up with israels attitude. Israel will then be the one begging for an agreement.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Linky

[Ulysses G.]

"Today is International Human Rights Day, but until the Palestinians achieve their rights, millions of people around the world will be cynical about the reality of global justice. Now terror propaganda and recruitment thrive on this conflict.

The last person who should talk about giving rights to Palestinians is the Hashemite monarchs, where by

King Husain of Jordan has. in 1970. massacred many thousand of Palestinians people in Jordan, and now

he's calling the kettle black....

Now days, Palestinians has become synonym with Terrorism, and terrorist don't have rights, period...

Lay down you guns, bombing incendiaries, knives, rocks and all other weapons and start building a country,

And where should the Palestinians build a country?

How about Jordan? It was formed from land meant to be the Jewish homeland. It is mostly made up of Palestinians and the rulers of Jordan have long claimed that Jordan IS Palestine.

◦"Palestine and Transjordan are one". King Abdullah, Arab League meeting in Cairo, 12 April 1948

◦"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate". Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2 February 1970

◦"The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan". King Hussein 1981

http://www.jordanispalestine.com/

Edited December 11, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[DeaconJohn]

Italian PM Renzi and King Abdullah II want a long-term solution to the turmoil in the Middle East and a unified strategy to combat terrorism? A good first step would be to boycott the rogue state of Israel until they agree to stop building illegal settlements and live within their 1967 borders. International condemnation eventually brought the necessary changes to apartheid South Africa... it could do the same to the radical Zionist leadership of Israel.

[Ulysses G.]

Israel will then be the one begging for an agreement.

Don't be delusional.The Palestinians have failed over and over again at everything they do. Their military has always been pathetic and they can not even support themselves without Israel's help. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[dexterm]

"Today is International Human Rights Day, but until the Palestinians achieve their rights, millions of people around the world will be cynical about the reality of global justice. Now terror propaganda and recruitment thrive on this conflict.

The last person who should talk about giving rights to Palestinians is the Hashemite monarchs, where by

King Husain of Jordan has. in 1970. massacred many thousand of Palestinians people in Jordan, and now

he's calling the kettle black....

Now days, Palestinians has become synonym with Terrorism, and terrorist don't have rights, period...

Lay down you guns, bombing incendiaries, knives, rocks and all other weapons and start building a country,

And where should the Palestinians build a country?

How about Jordan? It was formed from land meant to be the Jewish homeland. It is mostly made up of Palestinians and the rulers of Jordan have long claimed that Jordan IS Palestine.

◦"Palestine and Transjordan are one". King Abdullah, Arab League meeting in Cairo, 12 April 1948

◦"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate". Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2 February 1970

◦"The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan". King Hussein 1981

http://www.jordanispalestine.com/

How about Israelistine ..... the place where they were born.

As Israel swallows up more Palestinian land it will become inevitable probably after a shameful period of apartheid that Israel will have to grant equal citizenship to at least 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank.The 2 million in Gaza wlll follow sooner or later.

Israel, your colonization enterprise is nearing endgame.

John Kerry agrees...

"U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has set off a furor in Israel by suggesting that Israel was destroying itself as a Jewish state.

Kerry told a conference on Israeli affairs in Washington on Saturday that through its continued occupation of the West Bank, Israel could make it impossible to partition the land between Jewish and Palestinian states. He said the alternative would have to be a "binational state" in which Jews and Palestinians live together in one state, ending Israel's Jewish majority."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kerry-one-state-comments-spark-furor-in-israel/

I am amazed that no-one, publicly at least, has asked Netanyahu the simple elephant in the room question: What realistically do you plan to do with 2.5 million Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank?

[DeaconJohn]

"Today is International Human Rights Day, but until the Palestinians achieve their rights, millions of people around the world will be cynical about the reality of global justice. Now terror propaganda and recruitment thrive on this conflict.

The last person who should talk about giving rights to Palestinians is the Hashemite monarchs, where by

King Husain of Jordan has. in 1970. massacred many thousand of Palestinians people in Jordan, and now

he's calling the kettle black....

Now days, Palestinians has become synonym with Terrorism, and terrorist don't have rights, period...

Lay down you guns, bombing incendiaries, knives, rocks and all other weapons and start building a country,

And where should the Palestinians build a country?

How about Jordan? It was formed from land meant to be the Jewish homeland. It is mostly made up of Palestinians and the rulers of Jordan have long claimed that Jordan IS Palestine.

◦"Palestine and Transjordan are one". King Abdullah, Arab League meeting in Cairo, 12 April 1948

◦"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate". Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2 February 1970

◦"The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan". King Hussein 1981

http://www.jordanispalestine.com/

There are an estimated 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and another 1.7 million in Gaza.

Will they all go voluntarily to Jordan?

If they don't, how will Israel deal with them?

Give them full citizenship, or keep them confined to bantustans?

Either option means the eventual end of Israel as a Jewish state.

[Ulysses G.]

What realistically do you plan to do with 2.5 million Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank?

They put themselves in this situation and they can stay there forever or until they agree to make peace. The world has changed. Islamic terrorists have no power and no friends that count any more.

[OMGImInPattaya]

Support fo palestinians just keeps growing and growing. Israel will never sign a peace deal, they will just throw up more obstacles to ensure one cannot be signed. The rest of the world knows this, so no need for palestinians to sign with israel.

Before long it will only be israel and the US not acknowledging palestine, then the US will be fed up with israels attitude. Israel will then be the one begging for an agreement.

"Before long...," don't you mean "now it's"?

[DeaconJohn]

What realistically do you plan to do with 2.5 million Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank?

They put themselves in this situation and they can stay there forever or until they agree to make peace. The world has changed. Islamic terrorists have no power and no friends that count any more.

You've let the side down again.

Where is Morch this morning?

[dexterm]

What realistically do you plan to do with 2.5 million Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank?

They put themselves in this situation and they can stay there forever or until they agree to make peace. The world has changed. Islamic terrorists have no power and no friends that count any more.

So that's your plan is it. The Palestinians can just stay there. For once I agree with you.

What a fine mess Israel has gotten itself into. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at some of the early Israeli cabinet meetings post 1967. Have the minutes been released? Perhaps someone as knowledgeable as Morch can help us here.

Which bright spark suggested: "Hey, I know under the Geneva Convention we are allowed a few temporary military outposts in the West Bank and Gaza until we sign a peace deal, but why not slowly build Jewish only colonies around these outposts and import 500,000 Jewish Israeli colonists to live there. Confiscate Palestinian land if we have to and deny them civil rights. We got away with it in 1948, why not try it again?"

Israel has simply bitten off more than it can chew, and the world has indeed changed. The whole world is watching this time via international and social media.

Either end the occupation and agree to a viable contiguous Palestinian state, or annex the lot and grant equal civil rights and citizenship to the Palestinian population.

I think the time is coming when Palestinians will give up their call for a separate state. Israel will be in deep doggy doo then.

Edited December 11, 2015 by dexterm

[Ulysses G.]

Israel did not "get away" with anything in 1948. They accepted the solution offered by the UN and the Palestinains refused the opportunity to have their own country for the first time in history. Consequently, Israel is a thriving country with a self-supporting economy and the Palestinians are stuck in a purgatory living on handouts from their enemies.

[TEFLKrabi]

"“Today is International Human Rights Day, but until the Palestinians achieve their rights, millions of people around the world will be cynical about the reality of global justice. Now terror propaganda and recruitment thrive on this conflict.”

The last person who should talk about giving rights to Palestinians is the Hashemite monarchs, where by King Husain of Jordan has. in 1970. massacred many thousand of Palestinians people in Jordan, and now he's calling the kettle black....

Now days, Palestinians has become synonym with Terrorism, and terrorist don't have rights, period...

Lay down you guns, bombing incendiaries, knives, rocks and all other weapons and start building a country,

Jodan is home to nearly a million Palestinians who have no other place to go. Maybe it's a little safer now than it was 45 years ago.

[geriatrickid]

And where should the Palestinians build a country?

Where it always was; Jordan.

Do you not know your history? The Hashemites were relatively recent immigrants.. Jordan only came into being as a country in 1946. Prior to that, it existed as part of the Ottoman Territory. Great Britain took it over in 1917 as the Great Occupied Territory. It then became Transjordan and then The Emirate of Transjordan. Abdullah bin Hussein was appointed to administer the territory. He was also responsible for a large portion of Iraq.

It's all very nice for the King of Jordan to demand rights for people he despises. He should go first and give the palestinian Arabs the the rights he demands Israel extend.

[h90]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Would you sign a peace treaty with me, if I took your house and you have to sit in the slums somewhere?

If Israel would have handled it fair the last decades there wouldn't be a problem at all. But now there is so much hate on both sides that I don't see any chance for peace anymore. Even if both sides really want.

[geriatrickid]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Would you sign a peace treaty with me, if I took your house and you have to sit in the slums somewhere?

If Israel would have handled it fair the last decades there wouldn't be a problem at all. But now there is so much hate on both sides that I don't see any chance for peace anymore. Even if both sides really want.

well that's what the Israelis did with egypt. In case you forgot, Egypt gave its jews 48-72 hours to leave Egypt. They were forced to abandon everything they owned. The Egyptian jews had been in Egypt for centuries. Iraq and Jordan had done similar but had killed off whatever jews they could find in the years leading up to the forced expulsion. It's wonderful you care so much about the victims of the wars. What's your position on the approximate 1,000,000 jewish refugees forced out of the Arab countries? Will the Arab countries be paying compensation? I have a suggestion; Take the settlement owed to the Jewish refugees and subtract what is owed to the approximate 715,000 arab refugees of 1948. The big difference between the Jewish refugees from arab countries is that they had no option. The arab refugees were encouraged to leave by arab countries because they promised to kill off the state of Israel.

Abdullah is rather quiet on the issue of the jewish arab refugees isn't he? Do you think its because his family and cronies profited from the jews expulsion? It seems that your logic argues that it's ok to murder and steal from jews. newsflash: The 1930's called and want their bankrupt bigoted view back.

[Ulysses G.]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Would you sign a peace treaty with me, if I took your house and you have to sit in the slums somewhere?

The UN gave the Palestinians a house and Israel a house. The Palestinians turned their down and tried to destroy Israel's. Israel kicked their butt's and keeps on beating them to this day. They should have just taken BOTH houses and someday they might have to - spoils of war - since the Islamic terrorists refuse to make peace.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[oneday]

"...He told delegates the only way forward for Syria.............is to eradicate every single extremist on the face of this planet.

[Linky]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Would you sign a peace treaty with me, if I took your house and you have to sit in the slums somewhere?

The UN gave the Palestinians a house and Israel a house. The Palestinians turned their down and tried to destroy Israel's. Israel kicked their butt's and keeps on beating them to this day. They should have just taken BOTH houses and someday they might have to - spoils of war - since the Islamic terrorists refuse to make peace.

So israel agreed to sign the UN agreement then ignore it. Taking land from spoils of war, and all that is illegal. But that wont stop israel, they never do anything legal.

Interesting you view success on military strength. Many consider it a weakness that it is needed.

Israel is not a success, they are constantly at war and living in fear, thats what you keep telling us. I dont consider that a success. But they still keep taking handouts. Perhaps they should acknowledge the success and no accept anything.

Palestine will not have to sign anything with israel. Israel will be forced to do things it wont like because the rest of the world is accepting palestine.

[Enoon]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Would you sign a peace treaty with me, if I took your house and you have to sit in the slums somewhere?

The UN gave the Palestinians a house and Israel a house. The Palestinians turned their down and tried to destroy Israel's. Israel kicked their butt's and keeps on beating them to this day. They should have just taken BOTH houses and someday they might have to - spoils of war - since the Islamic terrorists refuse to make peace.

Seems like many people (1.3 billion muslims certainly) think that the UN took all of the Arab house in Palestine and gave half of it to immigrants, who the US has funded (currently to the tune of $10 million a day) to take the rest of it.

Stange that that the US spends so much to keep 6.3 million people happy, while antagonising 1.3 billion others.

Is it really worth all the blood and treasure?

Edited December 11, 2015 by Enoon

[Linky]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Would you sign a peace treaty with me, if I took your house and you have to sit in the slums somewhere?

The UN gave the Palestinians a house and Israel a house. The Palestinians turned their down and tried to destroy Israel's. Israel kicked their butt's and keeps on beating them to this day. They should have just taken BOTH houses and someday they might have to - spoils of war - since the Islamic terrorists refuse to make peace.

Seems like many people (1.3 billion muslims certainly) think that the UN took all of the Arab house in Palestine and gave half of it to immigrants, who the US has funded (currently to the tune of $10 million a day) to take the rest of it.

Stange that that the US spends so much to keep 6.3 million people happy, while antagonising 1.3 billion others.

Is it really worth all the blood and treasure?

Israel certainly thinks its alright for everyone else to fight on their behalf.

[h90]

The Palestinians will get "their rights" when they renounce terrorism and sign a peace treaty with Israel. They have refused to do both for almost 70 years, since they refused the UN deal for their own country and declared war on Israel for accepting it.

Would you sign a peace treaty with me, if I took your house and you have to sit in the slums somewhere?

If Israel would have handled it fair the last decades there wouldn't be a problem at all. But now there is so much hate on both sides that I don't see any chance for peace anymore. Even if both sides really want.

well that's what the Israelis did with egypt. In case you forgot, Egypt gave its jews 48-72 hours to leave Egypt. They were forced to abandon everything they owned. The Egyptian jews had been in Egypt for centuries. Iraq and Jordan had done similar but had killed off whatever jews they could find in the years leading up to the forced expulsion. It's wonderful you care so much about the victims of the wars. What's your position on the approximate 1,000,000 jewish refugees forced out of the Arab countries? Will the Arab countries be paying compensation? I have a suggestion; Take the settlement owed to the Jewish refugees and subtract what is owed to the approximate 715,000 arab refugees of 1948. The big difference between the Jewish refugees from arab countries is that they had no option. The arab refugees were encouraged to leave by arab countries because they promised to kill off the state of Israel.

Abdullah is rather quiet on the issue of the jewish arab refugees isn't he? Do you think its because his family and cronies profited from the jews expulsion? It seems that your logic argues that it's ok to murder and steal from jews. newsflash: The 1930's called and want their bankrupt bigoted view back.

So because Egypt, Iraq and Jordan made bad things, Israel is allowed for the next 100 years to do bad things to random Arab farmers?

One wrong doesn't make another wrong better.

Abdullah and SA (best friend with USA by the way): No comment......If it would be my only two choices I would live in North Korea before I take SA....

[Morch]

The MED 2015 seminar, organized by ISPI, is not, essentially, a platform limited to focusing on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It does come up, of course, but the main topics do be discussed at this year's convention would have more to do with the refugees (both in Europe and in Middle Eastern countries), ways of countering Islamic extremism and the post-IS Middle East. There will also be quite a bit of economic angles played - oil & gas, communications, finance and infrastructure.

Highlighting King Abdullah's part of the speech dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an editorial choice. The speech itself touched on other topics as well, more in line with the general content of MED 2015. As such, most of the comments on this topic are even narrower in scope than the headline and the OP.

For those taking an interest, the convention's website can be found here - http://rome-med.org/. And here is some background on ISPI - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_International_Political_Studies

Ought to be some interesting addresses and papers coming out of this one, not necessarily by Politicians, though.

[Morch]

The notion that Jordan is a potential future Palestinian state is almost immaterial, in realistic terms, for the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Whether or not this notion in accepted by either Jordanians and Palestinians, it does not make even a marginal dent in addressing the current situation in the occupied territories. The Palestinians will not simply leave, and there is no conceivable way for Israel to bring it about.

Focusing on the chronology and historical details of how things came to be the way they are (with regard to Israel, Jordan and the Palestinians) is not always helpful in sorting things out. To say that things were supposed to be different is all very nice, but fails to provide solutions on how to deal with present circumstances.

The following is more for the benefit of those seeing Jordan as the Palestinian homeland (while, apparently, holding pro-Israeli views): Such a Palestinian state will be widely open to radical Islamic influences, will not afford the current level of scrutiny by Israeli security forces, and unlikely that it would spell a renunciation of the Palestinian claim to West Bank and the Gaza Strip (never mind Israel itself, that's another can of worms). Realistically assuming that there is no way to make the Palestinians move over, it will in-fact create a Palestinian state which would be in a better diplomatic position to assert the Palestinian right for the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Long term, it could even spell a Greater Palestine.

[Morch]

And where should the Palestinians build a country?

How about Jordan? It was formed from land meant to be the Jewish homeland. It is mostly made up of Palestinians and the rulers of Jordan have long claimed that Jordan IS Palestine.

◦"Palestine and Transjordan are one". King Abdullah, Arab League meeting in Cairo, 12 April 1948

◦"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate". Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2 February 1970

◦"The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan". King Hussein 1981

http://www.jordanispalestine.com/

Events did not stop at 1981...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan's_disengagement_from_the_West_Bank

Edited December 11, 2015 by Morch

[Morch]

What realistically do you plan to do with 2.5 million Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank?

They put themselves in this situation and they can stay there forever or until they agree to make peace. The world has changed. Islamic terrorists have no power and no friends that count any more.

The Palestinians certainly have to shoulder some of the responsibility for their ongoing predicament. That said, it did not happen in a vacuum, nor was Israel an innocent and passive party with regards to how things panned out.

But be that as it may, how does "they can stay there forever" amount to a positive outcome for either side? Scratch that - how does it work in Israel's best long-term interests to maintain current conditions?