Court to hear suit over Thaksin passports

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Thaksin sues consular affairs officials for his passport cancellation



BANGKOK: -- Former premier Thaksin Shinawatra has filed a legal suit against the director-general of the Department of Consular Affairs and two senior officials for what he called illegal cancellation of his passports in May this year.

His quiet law suit was brought to the Administrative Court by his lawyer Wattana Tiangkul early this month.

The court scheduled Wednesday (Dec 23) as the first hearing of the trial after accepting the case on December 8.

In the lawsuit, Thaksin claimed the cancellation of his passports Number U957411 and Z530117 by the officials by citing partial content in his press interview was detrimental to national security, was illegitimate.

The former premier said he has appealed the department’s cancellation decision on July 30 this year but was notified on September 9 that the cancellation was upheld.

He said the cancellation of his passports had caused damages to him, and forced him to bring the case to the Administrative Court.

Government deputy spokesman Maj Gen Veerachon Sukontapatipark meanwhile said Mr Thaksin could still use his Montenegro and Nicaragua passports to apply for visas to travel overseas.

However, there might be more limitations for entries to ASEAN and Asia than Thai passport because ASEAN members have exempted visas for their people, he said.

This could pose some inconveniences for Mr Thaksin to visit ASEAN countries, he said.

He clarified that the cancellation of his passports was due to the fact that the security authorities had proposed the Foreign Ministry to decide after the Royal Thai Police had ruled that part of the content in his press interview was detrimental to national security, and he is also being investigated for allegedly committing lese majeste, and allegedly breaching Articles 326, 328 and the Computer Crime Act of 2007.

He said a person facing these offences was therefore subject to have his passport cancelled.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thaksin-sues-consular-affairs-officials-for-his-passport-cancellation


-- Thai PBS 2015-12-21

[sweatalot]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

You should. But only after serving your prison time when you are convicted.

[Jonmarleesco]

Since, I believe, there is a generally ignored Thai law against dual nationality, perhaps Thaksin should just settle for holding three or four.

[Artisi]

Thaksin this, Thaksin that, Thaksin something else....Thaksin is the last thing Thailand has to worry about. Mega yawn.

Maybe the PM can suggest (read instructs) that no Thai news media can under any circumstances mention, infer, or otherwise suggest anything more about this criminal, unless of course it's a notice in the obituaries.

[WaiLai]

Does he actually hold dual citizenship somewhere?

How many valid passports does he have to go "nobbing" around?

[Nickthegreek]

Do You think he filed a black suit or a grey suit ?? sorry couldn't resist,someone really needs English words help

[Skywalker69]

Does he actually hold dual citizenship somewhere?

How many valid passports does he have to go "nobbing" around?

Read my post #30

[ezzra]

Gee Mr. T, and I thought that money can buy ERVRYTHING... well apparently not....

comes to show you that you can be a billionaire but can't buy a plate of Thai Som

Tam made by a push cart vendor in Dubai for all the dosh in world....

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The general rules ought to be the same in the criminal and civil arenas, but unfortunately they're not.

If he's able to file civil lawsuits from abroad without ever setting foot in Thailand/the court to pursue his case, i.e. plaintiff in absentia, then the Criminal Courts with jurisdiction over the various criminal cases pending against him ought to be able to demand he appear and, failing that, proceed to verdicts with the criminal cases, defendant choosing to be in absentia.

But, the criminal courts here apparently don't work that way, and they can't/won't proceed with the criminal cases while he's outside the country. Thus, to be fair and in the interest of justice, he shouldn't be able to pursue civil cases from outside the country while on the run from criminal charges. Come back home and face the legal system, or, shut the XXXX up. .

Edited December 21, 2015 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[baboon]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what? Edited December 21, 2015 by baboon

[lucky11]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Running from justice and a prison sentence.

[baboon]

^^

Not bothering to show up is not the same thing as running.

[elgordo38]

All fugitives from the law should be issued diplomatic passports... And enshrine this as a human right worldwide!

Your behind the times all politicians and their international flunkies have diplomatic passports. The next offering of crooks/charlatans are on TV presently spouting off to the world how great they are and how they will do wonders and s**t in great plunders increase the armed forces build a border fence vet all immigrants allowed in and all with borrowed money so cheaply provided by Yellen and company. Its all a criminal daisy chain funded by the lowly taxpayer.

[sanukjim]

Isn't it a countries policies to cancel any passport for a convicted fleeing criminal? Ohh I forget Thailand is not like other countries. How can Thak defend himself if he never shows up for the hearings?

NO, it isn't.

Yes,Many countries do cancel the passports of criminals that they would like to be brought to trail after they have fled their country.All passports are the property of the government and not the individual.

[whybother]

Do You think he filed a black suit or a grey suit ?? sorry couldn't resist,someone really needs English words help

Someone (ie you) does need some help.

Suit

A generic term, of comprehensive signification, referring to any proceeding by one person or persons against another or others in a court of

law in which the plaintiff pursues the remedy that the law affords for the redress of an injury or the enforcement of a right, whether at law or in Equity.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/suit

Edited December 21, 2015 by whybother

[WaiLai]

Does he actually hold dual citizenship somewhere?

How many valid passports does he have to go "nobbing" around?

Read my post #30

Got it.

Wow, 3 very distinguished countries in the race for Nobel Peace prizes.

Edited December 21, 2015 by WaiLai

[Skywalker69]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

[lucky11]

..............and 15 more charges outstanding!! He should not be allowed to file suits in court until he man's up to his crimes.

[Eric Loh]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

Which most countries see that as politically motivated and he is still traveling freely. Most Thais perceived that too.

[Baerboxer]

^^

Not bothering to show up is not the same thing as running.

To humor you, yes he doesn't need to literally run because no one is doing anything to bring him back. But figuratively, he's running from prison and all those other cases.

He won't come back himself as he's too much a coward. The 2 year sentence plus punishment for jumping bail; all those serious other outstanding cases. Other defendants in the Krungthai Bank fraud were convicted and 18 year sentences were handed out. Now, as he's number one defendant, he really must be scared of serious time if convicted.

So he's content to stir the shit from abroad, act through his agents in Thailand and bide his time to engineer the amnesty he craves.

Has Thailand ever extradited a rich Hi So Thai for anything? I don't think so, it's just not done.

[Baerboxer]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

Which most countries see that as politically motivated and he is still traveling freely. Most Thais perceived that too.

Nonsense. You have no idea what other countries government's think or what most Thais think anymore than anyone else. Or have you carried out research you can share with us?

Other countries won't act unless they are requested to. And Thaksin knows no Thai government has the bottle to do that. Besides which he enjoys the special treatment Billionaires with their own private planes enjoy. More dubious countries keep cordial relations with him in case he does get back in power and can again deliver favors.

His conviction was genuine - he broke the law, got caught, tried bribing his way and legged it when that failed.

Most Thais, and those in other countries interested enough, probably see a corrupt crook who is compulsive liar. But in the world today, corruption and lying, providing your wealthy enough as become acceptable. Ask Blatter and Pattini.

[baboon]

^^

Not bothering to show up is not the same thing as running.

To humor you, yes he doesn't need to literally run because no one is doing anything to bring him back. But figuratively, he's running from prison and all those other cases.

He won't come back himself as he's too much a coward. The 2 year sentence plus punishment for jumping bail; all those serious other outstanding cases. Other defendants in the Krungthai Bank fraud were convicted and 18 year sentences were handed out. Now, as he's number one defendant, he really must be scared of serious time if convicted.

So he's content to stir the shit from abroad, act through his agents in Thailand and bide his time to engineer the amnesty he craves.

Has Thailand ever extradited a rich Hi So Thai for anything? I don't think so, it's just not done.

Perfectly fair comeback.

My point is that 'absconding from prison' just doesn't sound as dramatic and groovy as 'fugitive' and 'On the run', which are inaccurate terms used solely to bolster the vilification campaign and dutifully parroted by some of the faithful on here without even giving the terms any thought. That is not a pop at you, by the way.

[pedro01]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

I think it fair to suspend the rights of someone on the lam.

[EnglishJohn]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

Which most countries see that as politically motivated and he is still traveling freely. Most Thais perceived that too.

So if the charge was just political, why didn't he come back and face the court when his cronies were in power ?. He would have got more than a fair trial if you count the mobs who would be outside the courtroom.

The answer is pretty obvious. He has a lot more to answer for and he knows he is guilty. That's why amnesty is the only way.

I think you know that as well as everyone else - but you choose to pretend otherwise. My signature sums it up.

[seajae]

thaksin was issued his passports by his sister and his cousin illegally, they were continually called before the court to explain why they did it but kept dodging it because they knew they didnt have a leg to stand on. The man is a wanted criminal, he refuses to come back to Thailand because he has so many warrants standing over him and he knows he will go away for a long time in jail which he refuses to do. How in the hell he can even issue court proceeding without being here is bullsh*t, he needs to be here to actually state his case but he is a chicken sh*t and is too scared of being locked up, the man is a total pathetic coward, this should be tossed out as he refuses to show up in court to defend himself. Anyone that even thinks this moron has the right to do what he is doing has rocks in their heads and brown rings on their ankles, thaksin is a dirt bag of the highest order, he is simply pissed that no one is standing up for him and he is finally realising he is worth nothing in this country apart from those that are on his pay role, without it he is a washed up has been. Box head is a rich no body, pity he is just too stupid/up himself to realize it.

Edited December 21, 2015 by seajae

[Eric Loh]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

Which most countries see that as politically motivated and he is still traveling freely. Most Thais perceived that too.

Nonsense. You have no idea what other countries government's think or what most Thais think anymore than anyone else. Or have you carried out research you can share with us?

Other countries won't act unless they are requested to. And Thaksin knows no Thai government has the bottle to do that. Besides which he enjoys the special treatment Billionaires with their own private planes enjoy. More dubious countries keep cordial relations with him in case he does get back in power and can again deliver favors.

His conviction was genuine - he broke the law, got caught, tried bribing his way and legged it when that failed.

Most Thais, and those in other countries interested enough, probably see a corrupt crook who is compulsive liar. But in the world today, corruption and lying, providing your wealthy enough as become acceptable. Ask Blatter and Pattini.

Didn't his party won a landslide election. That's how the people perceived the conviction.
After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction.

[Artisi]

I'm just continually gobsmacked that a convicted criminal who is on the run from a jail sentence and has many more charges pending against him still has the ability to use the Thai legal system to his own advantages.

So are you suggesting that once accused of a crime or convicted (rightfully or wrongfully) you should no longer be allowed to defend yourself, or your rights?

Wow

If you are a fugitive on the run - then most definitely. He should not be allowed to bring any cases against anyone, until of course he has done his stint in prison that is, then he should have his passports back and have free rein to the Thai justice system!!

How can one be a fugitive on the run if nobody is making any attempt to catch you? Running from what?

Thaksin is running from a two year prison sentence.

Which most countries see that as politically motivated and he is still traveling freely. Most Thais perceived that too.

Most Thai's - I don't think so.....

[marinediscoking]

Eric Loh said:

"After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction".

I have never seen or heard an extradition order requested for Thaksin unless I missed something. Could you cite your source and to what country it was requested to?

[Chang_paarp]

Khun Thaksin has the right to launch as many suits as he likes, however they should be parked until he presents himself in person to answer the court's questions on each suit.

[Artisi]

Eric Loh said:

"After 8 years on the run and numerous attempts by junta and Ahbisit governments to extradite him, has anyone make any success? That's how the world perceived as political interference in a judiciary conviction".

I have never seen or heard an extradition order requested for Thaksin unless I missed something. Could you cite your source and to what country it was requested to?

It's just the normal nonsense from this poster....