Dying Pakistani student's family denied Australia visa

[manarak]

you are all discussing pointlessly, since the BBC story linked in the OP has been amended and now says "visa granted"... happy end for everyone. next.

Edited December 23, 2015 by manarak

[Wilsonandson]

Another family torn apart by rules and regulations put in place to keep the world safe from terrorists. Immigration is just doing its job. A job that has been ordered to crackdown on terrorists. You want a happy world then stop the terror. One of the Paris attacks terrorists was from Pakistan.

[LukKrueng]

This story does not pass the sniff test. The BBC might be trying to claim there were no flights from Oz to Pakistan since July, but I can assure everybody there was. So why didn't the lad go home to see his family - considering there was no hope in treating his cancer? He didn't expect Australian immigration rules could apply to him and his family??

No sympathy for those trying to use our equal and democratic system against us.

Well, when a person is diagnosed with cancer, especially such a young person, there is a tendency to try and treat it - either to cure or at least prolong the life. There is also the issue of where that person might get a better treatment even if just for easing his suffering. Another point is that between the time of first diagnosing the cancer and the time doctors and patient realize that nothing can be done - the situation has deteriorated to the point of not being able to fly (and that what it says in the OP - he is too sick to fly.

Now - this person has entered and is staying in Australia legally on a student visa, unlike many here in Thailand that abuse the easy tourist visa and visa except system.

So to sum it all up - booo to Australia in this case. As was said already - inhuman!!

[Ulic]

I will be interested to see how the BBC spins the story if the family claims asylum when they get to Australia.

[Mudcrab]

This story does not pass the sniff test. The BBC might be trying to claim there were no flights from Oz to Pakistan since July, but I can assure everybody there was. So why didn't the lad go home to see his family - considering there was no hope in treating his cancer? He didn't expect Australian immigration rules could apply to him and his family??

No sympathy for those trying to use our equal and democratic system against us.

Well, when a person is diagnosed with cancer, especially such a young person, there is a tendency to try and treat it - either to cure or at least prolong the life. There is also the issue of where that person might get a better treatment even if just for easing his suffering. Another point is that between the time of first diagnosing the cancer and the time doctors and patient realize that nothing can be done - the situation has deteriorated to the point of not being able to fly (and that what it says in the OP - he is too sick to fly.

Now - this person has entered and is staying in Australia legally on a student visa, unlike many here in Thailand that abuse the easy tourist visa and visa except system.

So to sum it all up - booo to Australia in this case. As was said already - inhuman!!

Why is it inhuman to allow his mother and brother a visa to visit him in Australia as has been pointed out by many posters already?

[simple1]

Why wasn't he sent back to Pakistan in July?

For international university students in Australia it is a mandatory condition for granting of a visa to have private medical cover - no expense to the taxpayer (government) for treatment.

So I ask again, skin cancer isn't that debilitating a disease, at least in it's early stages, and it isnt contagious, so why was he not sent back home in July to be with his family when he received his terminal diagnosis?

I'm certain that if the guy in the OP was a non Muslim e.g. from the US, you wouldn't be asking similar questions.

Edited December 23, 2015 by simple1

[arjunadawn]

This story does not pass the sniff test. The BBC might be trying to claim there were no flights from Oz to Pakistan since July, but I can assure everybody there was. So why didn't the lad go home to see his family - considering there was no hope in treating his cancer? He didn't expect Australian immigration rules could apply to him and his family??

No sympathy for those trying to use our equal and democratic system against us.

Of course you are right. This goes to the heart of the pathology afflicting the entire west right now. Being a victim has benefits; in this case it failed.

[simple1]

This story does not pass the sniff test. The BBC might be trying to claim there were no flights from Oz to Pakistan since July, but I can assure everybody there was. So why didn't the lad go home to see his family - considering there was no hope in treating his cancer? He didn't expect Australian immigration rules could apply to him and his family??

No sympathy for those trying to use our equal and democratic system against us.

Of course you are right. This goes to the heart of the pathology afflicting the entire west right now. Being a victim has benefits; in this case it failed.

You may like to check the facts of the OP prior to posting such disparaging remarks. However, it is shameful so many are vilifying someone with terminal cancer, who is legally residing in Australia, family members visiting him prior to death, all with no cost to the government, just because they are Muslim.

Edited December 23, 2015 by simple1

[arjunadawn]

This story does not pass the sniff test. The BBC might be trying to claim there were no flights from Oz to Pakistan since July, but I can assure everybody there was. So why didn't the lad go home to see his family - considering there was no hope in treating his cancer? He didn't expect Australian immigration rules could apply to him and his family??

No sympathy for those trying to use our equal and democratic system against us.

Of course you are right. This goes to the heart of the pathology afflicting the entire west right now. Being a victim has benefits; in this case it failed.

You may like to check the facts of the OP prior to posting such disparaging remarks. However, it is shameful so many are vilifying someone with terminal cancer, who is legally residing in Australia, family members visiting him prior to death, all with no cost to the government, just because they are Muslim.

Being muslim or not is unrelated to my observation; that's why it is absent from my post. The fact is every nation has the right to make any choice it sees fit regarding who or not is allowed in, and the bar can be set low, high, and arbitrary. The same story with different actors is playing out in the US and EU right now (Indeed, even other nations, like Thailand, have had their discretion acted upon by others seeking to leverage the State's choices in who stays, comes, or goes. This is what happens when State security is leveraged by guilt, accusation, cries of victimization, islamophobia, etc- people/groups seek to compromise the State by crying foul).

Having cancer is not in itself an amulet to ward off circumspection. Every nation has the right to discriminate against any and all it chooses irrespective of race, religion, etc. It happens every day throughout the islamic world with nary a squeak raised from the West. Similar stories have played out in contemporary times with State actors, cancer victims, right to travel, etc., and had nothing to do with islam. Aung sung su ki and spouse is but one example. A nation should not ever have its right to self defense compromised at the altar of political correctness. This is the same creeping infection afflicting much of the western world- scream victim and let loose irrationality and coercion.

BTW- it is nonsense these things happen "just because they are muslim." Were this decidedly due to muslim association it is still defensible. This and related restrictions happen because people want to survive. In this manner the greatest good for the greatest amount of people is enhanced from a security perspective. The idea that la cosa nostra would not be searched for in Little Italy is preposterous; of course that's where you look. To err on the side of caution is a fundamental requirement of State until the current virulence of islamic jihad is defined, constrained, or obliterated. It is in none of these stages currently.

[simple1]

This story does not pass the sniff test. The BBC might be trying to claim there were no flights from Oz to Pakistan since July, but I can assure everybody there was. So why didn't the lad go home to see his family - considering there was no hope in treating his cancer? He didn't expect Australian immigration rules could apply to him and his family??

No sympathy for those trying to use our equal and democratic system against us.

Of course you are right. This goes to the heart of the pathology afflicting the entire west right now. Being a victim has benefits; in this case it failed.

You may like to check the facts of the OP prior to posting such disparaging remarks. However, it is shameful so many are vilifying someone with terminal cancer, who is legally residing in Australia, family members visiting him prior to death, all with no cost to the government, just because they are Muslim.

Being muslim or not is unrelated to my observation; that's why it is absent from my post. The fact is every nation has the right to make any choice it sees fit regarding who or not is allowed in, and the bar can be set low, high, and arbitrary. The same story with different actors is playing out in the US and EU right now (Indeed, even other nations, like Thailand, have had their discretion acted upon by others seeking to leverage the State's choices in who stays, comes, or goes. This is what happens when State security is leveraged by guilt, accusation, cries of victimization, islamophobia, etc- people/groups seek to compromise the State by crying foul).

Having cancer is not in itself an amulet to ward off circumspection. Every nation has the right to discriminate against any and all it chooses irrespective of race, religion, etc. It happens every day throughout the islamic world with nary a squeak raised from the West. Similar stories have played out in contemporary times with State actors, cancer victims, right to travel, etc., and had nothing to do with islam. Aung sung su ki and spouse is but one example. A nation should not ever have its right to self defense compromised at the altar of political correctness. This is the same creeping infection afflicting much of the western world- scream victim and let loose irrationality and coercion.

BTW- it is nonsense these things happen "just because they are muslim." Were this decidedly due to muslim association it is still defensible. This and related restrictions happen because people want to survive. In this manner the greatest good for the greatest amount of people is enhanced from a security perspective. The idea that la cosa nostra would not be searched for in Little Italy is preposterous; of course that's where you look. To err on the side of caution is a fundamental requirement of State until the current virulence of islamic jihad is defined, constrained, or obliterated. It is in none of these stages currently.

Really, you would have posted in this topic if the OP related to a non-Muslim even though you move forward to talk to PC and so on, code words for anti Muslim sentiment.

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed.

[harrry]

Rather dodgy figures these.

You may like to check the facts of the OP prior to posting such disparaging remarks. However, it is shameful so many are vilifying someone with terminal cancer, who is legally residing in Australia, family members visiting him prior to death, all with no cost to the government, just because they are Muslim.

Being muslim or not is unrelated to my observation; that's why it is absent from my post. The fact is every nation has the right to make any choice it sees fit regarding who or not is allowed in, and the bar can be set low, high, and arbitrary. The same story with different actors is playing out in the US and EU right now (Indeed, even other nations, like Thailand, have had their discretion acted upon by others seeking to leverage the State's choices in who stays, comes, or goes. This is what happens when State security is leveraged by guilt, accusation, cries of victimization, islamophobia, etc- people/groups seek to compromise the State by crying foul).

Having cancer is not in itself an amulet to ward off circumspection. Every nation has the right to discriminate against any and all it chooses irrespective of race, religion, etc. It happens every day throughout the islamic world with nary a squeak raised from the West. Similar stories have played out in contemporary times with State actors, cancer victims, right to travel, etc., and had nothing to do with islam. Aung sung su ki and spouse is but one example. A nation should not ever have its right to self defense compromised at the altar of political correctness. This is the same creeping infection afflicting much of the western world- scream victim and let loose irrationality and coercion.

BTW- it is nonsense these things happen "just because they are muslim." Were this decidedly due to muslim association it is still defensible. This and related restrictions happen because people want to survive. In this manner the greatest good for the greatest amount of people is enhanced from a security perspective. The idea that la cosa nostra would not be searched for in Little Italy is preposterous; of course that's where you look. To err on the side of caution is a fundamental requirement of State until the current virulence of islamic jihad is defined, constrained, or obliterated. It is in none of these stages currently.

Really, you would have posted in this topic if the OP related to a non-Muslim even though you move forward to talk to PC and so on, code words for anti Muslim sentiment.

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia. Many also believe with good reason that courses for all have been watered down to suit..

I am sorry for this student but he had the right to return before he entered the terminal stage and elected not to do so which is his right. Visas for others is not a right.

[Scott]

Totally correct, however, many countries have special provisions for compassionate or humanitarian exceptions to their ordinary visa regulations.

[simple1]

Rather dodgy figures these.

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International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia. Many also believe with good reason that courses for all have been watered down to suit..

I am sorry for this student but he had the right to return before he entered the terminal stage and elected not to do so which is his right. Visas for others is not a right.

Of course the student could have returned to Pakistan, but I suggest in similar circumstances most would stay in Oz due to higher quality of medical care which would be covered by their compulsory private medical insurance as required for international uni students.

Not so sure about taking jobs from Oz citizens. Foreign students during the study terms can work up to 40 hours a fortnight. Accordingly many employers only have them on the books for 20 hours a fortnight so they don't have to pay sick pay, below minimum wage etc. Relatively few Aussies taking up similar work, unless they work cash in hand whilst on Centrelink payments.

International students contrib­uted a record $17.5 billion to the Australian economy for the 12 months to the end of March 2015. There are currently 413,000 international students in Australia, with spending on tuition, as well as goods and services, rising at a faster rate than the number of students.

The report does raise concerns due to the number of private non Uni education services providers flouting the ed visa process, this issue does not apply to the OP person as he was attending a mainstream Uni.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/international-students-add-record-175bn-to-economy/news-story/3c5d3f24348b1a6b267e1531b0b7c94d

Edited December 25, 2015 by simple1

[harrry]

Rather dodgy figures these.

<snip>

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

Not so sure about taking jobs from Oz citizens. Foreign students during the study terms can work up to 40 hours a fortnight. Accordingly many employers only have them on the books for 20 hours a fortnight so they don't have to pay sick pay, below minimum wage etc. Relatively few Aussies taking up similar work, unless they work cash in hand whilst on Centrelink payments.

I

So taking less than the legal pay for a job does not impact Aussie youth...

there was a word for that once..SCABS

not that I consider it the student's fault.

As far as the insurance goes this only covers him when he is an active student...for six months he was not...

I am pretty sure the taxpayer paid but I am not concerned with that. I am glad he got good care.

[simple1]

Rather dodgy figures these.

<snip>

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

Not so sure about taking jobs from Oz citizens. Foreign students during the study terms can work up to 40 hours a fortnight. Accordingly many employers only have them on the books for 20 hours a fortnight so they don't have to pay sick pay, below minimum wage etc. Relatively few Aussies taking up similar work, unless they work cash in hand whilst on Centrelink payments.

I

So taking less than the legal pay for a job does not impact Aussie youth...

there was a word for that once..SCABS

not that I consider it the student's fault.

As far as the insurance goes this only covers him when he is an active student...for six months he was not...

I am pretty sure the taxpayer paid but I am not concerned with that. I am glad he got good care.

What do you call Australian nationals who are the employers who insist on providing students below award wages and conditions of employment as well as defrauding the ATO etc. Also Aussie employers knowingly assisting with & committing fraud by paying staff cash in hand below award wages.

The student's respite care is being provided by a charity, not government

Edited December 25, 2015 by simple1

[harrry]

Rather dodgy figures these.

<snip>

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

Not so sure about taking jobs from Oz citizens. Foreign students during the study terms can work up to 40 hours a fortnight. Accordingly many employers only have them on the books for 20 hours a fortnight so they don't have to pay sick pay, below minimum wage etc. Relatively few Aussies taking up similar work, unless they work cash in hand whilst on Centrelink payments.

I

So taking less than the legal pay for a job does not impact Aussie youth...

there was a word for that once..SCABS

not that I consider it the student's fault.

As far as the insurance goes this only covers him when he is an active student...for six months he was not...

I am pretty sure the taxpayer paid but I am not concerned with that. I am glad he got good care.

What do you call Australian nationals who are the employers who insist on providing students below award wages and conditions of employment as well as defrauding the ATO etc. Also Aussie employers knowingly assisting with & committing fraud by paying staff cash in hand below award wages.

The student's respite care is being provided by a charity, not government

I cannot write what I would call them here....it would be deleted and I would be banned.

Charities in Australia are a funny lot. Many of them recieve very large amounts of funding from the Governments both State and Federal to provide services to people. The feel it is a better delivery system.

I am glad he is getting the care though.

I also believe that it was not unreasonable to refuse a visa.

[White Christmas13]

Rather dodgy figures these.

You may like to check the facts of the OP prior to posting such disparaging remarks. However, it is shameful so many are vilifying someone with terminal cancer, who is legally residing in Australia, family members visiting him prior to death, all with no cost to the government, just because they are Muslim.

Being muslim or not is unrelated to my observation; that's why it is absent from my post. The fact is every nation has the right to make any choice it sees fit regarding who or not is allowed in, and the bar can be set low, high, and arbitrary. The same story with different actors is playing out in the US and EU right now (Indeed, even other nations, like Thailand, have had their discretion acted upon by others seeking to leverage the State's choices in who stays, comes, or goes. This is what happens when State security is leveraged by guilt, accusation, cries of victimization, islamophobia, etc- people/groups seek to compromise the State by crying foul).

Having cancer is not in itself an amulet to ward off circumspection. Every nation has the right to discriminate against any and all it chooses irrespective of race, religion, etc. It happens every day throughout the islamic world with nary a squeak raised from the West. Similar stories have played out in contemporary times with State actors, cancer victims, right to travel, etc., and had nothing to do with islam. Aung sung su ki and spouse is but one example. A nation should not ever have its right to self defense compromised at the altar of political correctness. This is the same creeping infection afflicting much of the western world- scream victim and let loose irrationality and coercion.

BTW- it is nonsense these things happen "just because they are muslim." Were this decidedly due to muslim association it is still defensible. This and related restrictions happen because people want to survive. In this manner the greatest good for the greatest amount of people is enhanced from a security perspective. The idea that la cosa nostra would not be searched for in Little Italy is preposterous; of course that's where you look. To err on the side of caution is a fundamental requirement of State until the current virulence of islamic jihad is defined, constrained, or obliterated. It is in none of these stages currently.

Really, you would have posted in this topic if the OP related to a non-Muslim even though you move forward to talk to PC and so on, code words for anti Muslim sentiment.

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia. Many also believe with good reason that courses for all have been watered down to suit..

I am sorry for this student but he had the right to return before he entered the terminal stage and elected not to do so which is his right. Visas for others is not a right.

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia.

What a load of crap get your facts right first

Students are allowed to work 20 hrs per week which is fair and more in school holidays.

So my nephew is here in oz on a student visa he gets no money from home

he studies nursing ( just became an enrolled nurse ) he pays 26.000 AUD per year

for his study, works in a nursing home part time because he can not work more then

20 hours per week and you tell me he is taking work away from Australian people?

How many Aussies do work in nursing homes as carers ?

And no he does not work in the sex scene

what a heap of bloody bull

[sanukjim]

This story does not pass the sniff test. The BBC might be trying to claim there were no flights from Oz to Pakistan since July, but I can assure everybody there was. So why didn't the lad go home to see his family - considering there was no hope in treating his cancer? He didn't expect Australian immigration rules could apply to him and his family??

No sympathy for those trying to use our equal and democratic system against us.

I agree,He could have went home but wanted properly wanted for his family to take advantage of the liberal bleeding hearts in Australia to let them come there.Then try to stay.

[F4UCorsair]

Two sides to any story..

He could have travelled when diagnosed but chose to stay utilizing the very generous public health system for treatment, very expensive treatment, funded by the Australian taxpayer.

Pakistanis have a poor record of returning home when visiting Australia on tourist visas.

His family applied for visas and were rejected because they didn't meet the criteria. This decision was made in accordance with set guidelines by fairly low level staff. Not all cases are referred to the minister.

A current affairs program took up the case with the minister, and the family were granted visas.

This seems to me to be a compassionate outcome, the guy nenefits from our health system, his family is permitted to visit, and hopefully will return, and the only losers are the taxpayers........... ..........again!

[harrry]

Rather dodgy figures these.

You may like to check the facts of the OP prior to posting such disparaging remarks. However, it is shameful so many are vilifying someone with terminal cancer, who is legally residing in Australia, family members visiting him prior to death, all with no cost to the government, just because they are Muslim.

Being muslim or not is unrelated to my observation; that's why it is absent from my post. The fact is every nation has the right to make any choice it sees fit regarding who or not is allowed in, and the bar can be set low, high, and arbitrary. The same story with different actors is playing out in the US and EU right now (Indeed, even other nations, like Thailand, have had their discretion acted upon by others seeking to leverage the State's choices in who stays, comes, or goes. This is what happens when State security is leveraged by guilt, accusation, cries of victimization, islamophobia, etc- people/groups seek to compromise the State by crying foul).

Having cancer is not in itself an amulet to ward off circumspection. Every nation has the right to discriminate against any and all it chooses irrespective of race, religion, etc. It happens every day throughout the islamic world with nary a squeak raised from the West. Similar stories have played out in contemporary times with State actors, cancer victims, right to travel, etc., and had nothing to do with islam. Aung sung su ki and spouse is but one example. A nation should not ever have its right to self defense compromised at the altar of political correctness. This is the same creeping infection afflicting much of the western world- scream victim and let loose irrationality and coercion.

BTW- it is nonsense these things happen "just because they are muslim." Were this decidedly due to muslim association it is still defensible. This and related restrictions happen because people want to survive. In this manner the greatest good for the greatest amount of people is enhanced from a security perspective. The idea that la cosa nostra would not be searched for in Little Italy is preposterous; of course that's where you look. To err on the side of caution is a fundamental requirement of State until the current virulence of islamic jihad is defined, constrained, or obliterated. It is in none of these stages currently.

Really, you would have posted in this topic if the OP related to a non-Muslim even though you move forward to talk to PC and so on, code words for anti Muslim sentiment.

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia. Many also believe with good reason that courses for all have been watered down to suit..

I am sorry for this student but he had the right to return before he entered the terminal stage and elected not to do so which is his right. Visas for others is not a right.

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia.

What a load of crap get your facts right first

Students are allowed to work 20 hrs per week which is fair and more in school holidays.

So my nephew is here in oz on a student visa he gets no money from home

he studies nursing ( just became an enrolled nurse ) he pays 26.000 AUD per year

for his study, works in a nursing home part time because he can not work more then

20 hours per week and you tell me he is taking work away from Australian people?

How many Aussies do work in nursing homes as carers ?

And no he does not work in the sex scene

what a heap of bloody bull

You are the one who needs to check your facts

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TSA1RNQAU905HD76E

[Prbkk]

The young man died earlier today , RIP, surrounded by his family. A sad outcome but at least his Mum was there with him at the end.

[geriatrickid]

The young man died earlier today , RIP, surrounded by his family. A sad outcome but at least his Mum was there with him at the end.

Please report back if the family has returned back to Pakistan.

Thank you.

[simple1]

The young man died earlier today , RIP, surrounded by his family. A sad outcome but at least his Mum was there with him at the end.

Please report back if the family has returned back to Pakistan.

Thank you.

Funeral held today, media reports family members returning to Pakistan in a few days. In media interviews the deceased brother has thanked the government for providing visas, speaks good English and comes across as a good guy.

Edited January 7, 2016 by simple1

[White Christmas13]

Rather dodgy figures these.

You may like to check the facts of the OP prior to posting such disparaging remarks. However, it is shameful so many are vilifying someone with terminal cancer, who is legally residing in Australia, family members visiting him prior to death, all with no cost to the government, just because they are Muslim.

Being muslim or not is unrelated to my observation; that's why it is absent from my post. The fact is every nation has the right to make any choice it sees fit regarding who or not is allowed in, and the bar can be set low, high, and arbitrary. The same story with different actors is playing out in the US and EU right now (Indeed, even other nations, like Thailand, have had their discretion acted upon by others seeking to leverage the State's choices in who stays, comes, or goes. This is what happens when State security is leveraged by guilt, accusation, cries of victimization, islamophobia, etc- people/groups seek to compromise the State by crying foul).

Having cancer is not in itself an amulet to ward off circumspection. Every nation has the right to discriminate against any and all it chooses irrespective of race, religion, etc. It happens every day throughout the islamic world with nary a squeak raised from the West. Similar stories have played out in contemporary times with State actors, cancer victims, right to travel, etc., and had nothing to do with islam. Aung sung su ki and spouse is but one example. A nation should not ever have its right to self defense compromised at the altar of political correctness. This is the same creeping infection afflicting much of the western world- scream victim and let loose irrationality and coercion.

BTW- it is nonsense these things happen "just because they are muslim." Were this decidedly due to muslim association it is still defensible. This and related restrictions happen because people want to survive. In this manner the greatest good for the greatest amount of people is enhanced from a security perspective. The idea that la cosa nostra would not be searched for in Little Italy is preposterous; of course that's where you look. To err on the side of caution is a fundamental requirement of State until the current virulence of islamic jihad is defined, constrained, or obliterated. It is in none of these stages currently.

Really, you would have posted in this topic if the OP related to a non-Muslim even though you move forward to talk to PC and so on, code words for anti Muslim sentiment.

International students contribute 15 billion dollars p.a. to the Oz economy, the fourth largest sector for foreign revenue input. There are thousands of foreign Muslim students studying p.a. in Oz. If foreign Muslim students stopped coming to Oz due to hostility and bigotry it would lead to job losses and require Unis to claim hundreds of millions in subsidies from Fed government to stay functional, this is a clear potential threat to national economic interests and educational institutions

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia. Many also believe with good reason that courses for all have been watered down to suit..

I am sorry for this student but he had the right to return before he entered the terminal stage and elected not to do so which is his right. Visas for others is not a right.

International students are free legally to work 10 hrs a week in term and all the vacations. Many of them do pay the fees and visa with overseas money but provide the rest through work in Australia which is taking jobs form others. In fact many of the students work in the semi legal or legal (depending on state) jobs as sex workers.

Foreign students are not a total asset to Australia.

What a load of crap get your facts right first

Students are allowed to work 20 hrs per week which is fair and more in school holidays.

So my nephew is here in oz on a student visa he gets no money from home

he studies nursing ( just became an enrolled nurse ) he pays 26.000 AUD per year

for his study, works in a nursing home part time because he can not work more then

20 hours per week and you tell me he is taking work away from Australian people?

How many Aussies do work in nursing homes as carers ?

And no he does not work in the sex scene

what a heap of bloody bull

You are the one who needs to check your facts

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TSA1RNQAU905HD76E

What fact's ? You the one who should get your fact's right maybe try to read what i wrote

he is my nephew not niece he is a 21 year old on a student visa who just became a nurse

so you trying to tell me he is in the sex industrie as well ? You are sick

he most properly paid more taxes in the few years he is here then you ever did.

Just for example Australians going to TAFE complaining the fees have been increased

to 6.000 dollars or what ever the figure is my nephew ( which I am very proud of ) pays

more then double that any more questions? go back under your rock