Schengen: the beginning of the end? Austria to begin tighter border checks

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Schengen: the beginning of the end? Austria to begin tighter border checks



VIENNA: -- Austria has announced it will introduce quotas to limit the incoming flow of migrants.

The news comes days after the Foreign Ministry said the country was already close to reaching the maximum number it said it would accept this year.

Fears are growing of a potential end to the open-border Schengen zone and the subsequent threat to free travel.

Road haulier Alexander Klacska explained.

“For us in the Austrian transport industry, the worst case scenario would be that if the Schengen borders around Austria close, it would cost us up to 8.2 million euros per day.”

Increased checks are already in place at the busiest crossing, Spielfeld, on the border with Slovenia. Vienna says it will tighten border controls at 12 further points.

Government officials claim other countries along the Greece-to-Austria Balkan route are also increasingly tightening checks.

Austria’s Interior Minister Johanna Mikl Leitner said daily and hourly quotas would be introduced. She added that border authorities would stop letting people through once the limits are reached, although she did not specify the size of the quotas.

Mikl Leitner said Germany had had a similar system in place on its border with Austria for months. It has caused backlogs and delays in Austria.

The Interior Minister said something similar could be expected in Slovenia.

-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-02-17

[NeverSure]

Europe and its "better than" "progressive" and "inclusive" brainwashing has destroyed itself. Its socialism will further tighten the noose as these so-called "refugees" expect "entitlements". Entitled to what? What the traditional Europeans built? And now these "best new friends" want to destroy it? They want to destroy everything except of course the "entitlements".

It's over. It's finished. It's too late. Europe is fast becoming just another island of Islam like the Middle East that the civilized world must defend against. Soon we will be fencing THEM out.

Lemme go clean my M16 again and remember why I have it.

Cheers.

Edited February 16, 2016 by NeverSure

[seedy]

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[Steely Dan]

I predicted Schengen was finished months ago. The trouble is the damage is done because when the migrants have entered the zone liberals don't have the resolve to reverse the process. Right wing anti-immigration parties will get voted in eventually, but even they will have to fight the EU to save their own nations.

[NeverSure]

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

[SgtRock]

NeverSure, on 17 Feb 2016 - 09:12, said:

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

Still the persistence that Schengen and the migrant crisis is intertwined. Schengen does not apply to migrants only EU Citizens. Schengen makes no difference to the hordes that are still arriving at a rate of 2 - 3000 a day. Which the MSM are keeping quiet about. Must make sure that the UK remains a part of the EU.

Here is just 1 reason that the UK should get out of the EU and all that it entails.

Quote

Shabir Ahmed, 63 – described by a judge as a “violent hypocritical bully” – has written to the European court of human rights (ECHR) claiming his convictions for child sex offences were a conspiracy to “scapegoat” Muslims.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/16/rochdale-child-sex-gang-ringleader-appeals-against-deportation

He boasts that he has £83,000 in a bank account. Good. Seize it immediately and give it to his victim.

[NeverSure]

Schengen and the migrant crisis are intertwined to the extent that it's hard to control who goes in and out. Once some Muslim potential terrorist gets residency, and there will be tens of thousands of them...

Cheers.

[sawadee1947]

Europe and its "better than" "progressive" and "inclusive" brainwashing has destroyed itself. Its socialism will further tighten the noose as these so-called "refugees" expect "entitlements". Entitled to what? What the traditional Europeans built? And now these "best new friends" want to destroy it? They want to destroy everything except of course the "entitlements".

It's over. It's finished. It's too late. Europe is fast becoming just another island of Islam like the Middle East that the civilized world must defend against. Soon we will be fencing THEM out.

Lemme go clean my M16 again and remember why I have it.

Cheers.

ok, I can understand you. You are at the end of your life. It doesn't bother you how it's going on when you passed away. So let it out, show us your dark side. M16.....that's all in your head? Poor man. Rambo's time's over but you didn't realize. Enjoy the last years anyway.

[sawadee1947]

Schengen and the migrant crisis are intertwined to the extent that it's hard to control who goes in and out. Once some Muslim potential terrorist gets residency, and there will be tens of thousands of them...

Cheers.

If someone want to enter EU he will do it with Schengen or without. Radicals and Fanatics or Lunatics will always find a way to cross any border.

Controlled immigration is required. And....if you flee Aleppo e.g. it doesn't matter if you're a Muslim or Christian. It's about to save your life and that of your family.

[sawadee1947]

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

[tomacht8]

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

You write real nonsense.

You should ask a East German, whether the wall was surmountable or not.

In 20 years of German division, only a few hundred managed to cross the wall.

A door, a fence or a wall is very well-suited to prevent that intruders have access.

You yourself live in a cave with no door?

[sawadee1947]

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

You write real nonsense.

You should ask a East German, whether the wall was surmountable or not.

In 20 years of German division, only a few hundred managed to cross the wall.

A door, a fence or a wall is very well-suited to prevent that intruders have access.

You yourself live in a cave with no door?

B.S. and where is the "Berlin Wall" now? And the "Limes" and the West Wall"? Your quote is rediculous.

[Baerboxer]

NeverSure, on 17 Feb 2016 - 09:12, said:

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

Still the persistence that Schengen and the migrant crisis is intertwined. Schengen does not apply to migrants only EU Citizens. Schengen makes no difference to the hordes that are still arriving at a rate of 2 - 3000 a day. Which the MSM are keeping quiet about. Must make sure that the UK remains a part of the EU.

Here is just 1 reason that the UK should get out of the EU and all that it entails.

Quote

Shabir Ahmed, 63 – described by a judge as a “violent hypocritical bully” – has written to the European court of human rights (ECHR) claiming his convictions for child sex offences were a conspiracy to “scapegoat” Muslims.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/16/rochdale-child-sex-gang-ringleader-appeals-against-deportation

He boasts that he has £83,000 in a bank account. Good. Seize it immediately and give it to his victim.

This clown should be made to serve his time in with the general prison population. He can try and convince them of his innocence.

<deleted> does he think? That Muslims should only ever be tried by fellow Muslims and only under Sharia Law? That crimes against non Muslims are o k because their interpretation of their holy book says so?

There is an element of radical arrogant depraved aggressive ethnic Pakistanis in the UK. They get the rest of the ethnic Pakistanis, who are not sex offenders, or criminals, and are the majority, a bad name.

Make sure he serves his 22 years and with any luck no one will have to worry about deportation.

Expect every Muslim convicted of any crime will no claim racial prejudice, regardless of whether the crime was committed or not.

As for the other bloke in the story, can't apparently speak English. How did he get citizenship if that's the case?

[sawadee1947]

NeverSure, on 17 Feb 2016 - 09:12, said:

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

Still the persistence that Schengen and the migrant crisis is intertwined. Schengen does not apply to migrants only EU Citizens. Schengen makes no difference to the hordes that are still arriving at a rate of 2 - 3000 a day. Which the MSM are keeping quiet about. Must make sure that the UK remains a part of the EU.

Here is just 1 reason that the UK should get out of the EU and all that it entails.

Quote

Shabir Ahmed, 63 – described by a judge as a “violent hypocritical bully” – has written to the European court of human rights (ECHR) claiming his convictions for child sex offences were a conspiracy to “scapegoat” Muslims.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/16/rochdale-child-sex-gang-ringleader-appeals-against-deportation

He boasts that he has £83,000 in a bank account. Good. Seize it immediately and give it to his victim.

This clown should be made to serve his time in with the general prison population. He can try and convince them of his innocence.

<deleted> does he think? That Muslims should only ever be tried by fellow Muslims and only under Sharia Law? That crimes against non Muslims are o k because their interpretation of their holy book says so?

There is an element of radical arrogant depraved aggressive ethnic Pakistanis in the UK. They get the rest of the ethnic Pakistanis, who are not sex offenders, or criminals, and are the majority, a bad name.

Make sure he serves his 22 years and with any luck no one will have to worry about deportation.

Expect every Muslim convicted of any crime will no claim racial prejudice, regardless of whether the crime was committed or not.

As for the other bloke in the story, can't apparently speak English. How did he get citizenship if that's the case?

ah, you want to have different laws for different people? A law for Muslims, a law for Jewish??, a law for Christians and a special law for racists like you? Give me a break, what a nonsense...!

[NeverSure]

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

My fence is metaphorical. It would have to do with denying visa on arrival for anyone from W. Europe. It would have to do with extra scrutiny of any of the same. It would become as hard for a Brit to enter the US as it is for a Thai to enter the US. Only after major vetting and proof of several things could anyone with a W.

European passport travel to some places they do now.

This will spread through Europe with the end of the Shingdumb deal too. Already countries are starting to tighten their borders in the face of it. They are starting to rebel against it.

If you don't see what's coming then you lack vision and understanding. This thing going on in Europe is the end of Europe.

Cheers.

[sawadee1947]

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

My fence is metaphorical. It would have to do with denying visa on arrival for anyone from W. Europe. It would have to do with extra scrutiny of any of the same. It would become as hard for a Brit to enter the US as it is for a Thai to enter the US. Only after major vetting and proof of several things could anyone with a W.

European passport travel to some places they do now.

This will spread through Europe with the end of the Shingdumb deal too. Already countries are starting to tighten their borders in the face of it. They are starting to rebel against it.

If you don't see what's coming then you lack vision and understanding. This thing going on in Europe is the end of Europe.

Cheers.

what a sick quote: If you close borders as you want we fall back into 19th century. Do you ever thought why (still UK) Europe is so wealthy? Because of free trade, because of "Schengen", because people can decide where to work...aso. Closing borders would mean increasing costs on all levels. So your beer in UK might go up by 30% or more. Same as prices for daily life. The gap between rich and poor would grow. For you here in Thailand there is no impact? Of course it is. Export is going down, prices up here, poverty spreading. And your "Leo" will cost even more than 100 Baht. So, I can't help you thinking, but in a few years there will be a natural vanish of those ideas. The idea of "Europe" will not die. It was created as a counterpart to America and Asia. Single countries as small as Uk can't compete with a whole continent. Only as a united Europe there is a chance as I described.

[Steely Dan]

NeverSure, on 17 Feb 2016 - 09:12, said:

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

Still the persistence that Schengen and the migrant crisis is intertwined. Schengen does not apply to migrants only EU Citizens. Schengen makes no difference to the hordes that are still arriving at a rate of 2 - 3000 a day. Which the MSM are keeping quiet about. Must make sure that the UK remains a part of the EU.

Here is just 1 reason that the UK should get out of the EU and all that it entails.

Quote

Shabir Ahmed, 63 – described by a judge as a “violent hypocritical bully” – has written to the European court of human rights (ECHR) claiming his convictions for child sex offences were a conspiracy to “scapegoat” Muslims.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/16/rochdale-child-sex-gang-ringleader-appeals-against-deportation

He boasts that he has £83,000 in a bank account. Good. Seize it immediately and give it to his victim.

This clown should be made to serve his time in with the general prison population. He can try and convince them of his innocence.

<deleted> does he think? That Muslims should only ever be tried by fellow Muslims and only under Sharia Law? That crimes against non Muslims are o k because their interpretation of their holy book says so?

There is an element of radical arrogant depraved aggressive ethnic Pakistanis in the UK. They get the rest of the ethnic Pakistanis, who are not sex offenders, or criminals, and are the majority, a bad name.

Make sure he serves his 22 years and with any luck no one will have to worry about deportation.

Expect every Muslim convicted of any crime will no claim racial prejudice, regardless of whether the crime was committed or not.

As for the other bloke in the story, can't apparently speak English. How did he get citizenship if that's the case?

Not much to worry about in prison seeing as Muslims are hugely over represented there, along with many who convert to Islam inside in order to benefit from better food and preferential treatment.

[Steely Dan]

Two things the European countries have to get out of. The EU and the UN. They have to get back to having control of their own countries and their own cultures.

Of course that isn't going to happen so we'll have to just build a fence around them too.

Cheers.

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

My fence is metaphorical. It would have to do with denying visa on arrival for anyone from W. Europe. It would have to do with extra scrutiny of any of the same. It would become as hard for a Brit to enter the US as it is for a Thai to enter the US. Only after major vetting and proof of several things could anyone with a W.

European passport travel to some places they do now.

This will spread through Europe with the end of the Shingdumb deal too. Already countries are starting to tighten their borders in the face of it. They are starting to rebel against it.

If you don't see what's coming then you lack vision and understanding. This thing going on in Europe is the end of Europe.

Cheers.

what a sick quote: If you close borders as you want we fall back into 19th century. Do you ever thought why (still UK) Europe is so wealthy? Because of free trade, because of "Schengen", because people can decide where to work...aso. Closing borders would mean increasing costs on all levels. So your beer in UK might go up by 30% or more. Same as prices for daily life. The gap between rich and poor would grow. For you here in Thailand there is no impact? Of course it is. Export is going down, prices up here, poverty spreading. And your "Leo" will cost even more than 100 Baht. So, I can't help you thinking, but in a few years there will be a natural vanish of those ideas. The idea of "Europe" will not die. It was created as a counterpart to America and Asia. Single countries as small as Uk can't compete with a whole continent. Only as a united Europe there is a chance as I described.

Those who spread alarmism about the cost of policed borders neglect to mention the huge cost of crime and strain on the Countries health and police services caused by armies of hostile migrants.

[lungbing]

The usual media picture of young children when in reality the vast majority of the immigrants (not refugees) are you men in their 20s.

[SgtRock]

lungbing, on 17 Feb 2016 - 19:16, said:

The usual media picture of young children when in reality the vast majority of the immigrants (not refugees) are you men in their 20s.

Cologne train station on NYE. You will not see this pic in the media.

[Schwabe]

at least the Austrians got some b...s...So do some east european countries...still Merkel defends her way...what an arrogant woman..she thinks she can dictate other countries to make the same mistakes as she did..wrong way of thinking...proves that the EU does not work...some countries take the benefit out of it but do not want to take the responsibilities when it comes to refugees...wrong but understandable..can not blame them..by the way if Europe would be one we would all have the same taxes,wages and so on...whats that? I would call it Socialism!!!!Nowadays Bruessels tells every country what to do....EU law above national law..thats BS..thats dictatorship...i am german by the way...but the polls in march in 3 states in Germany will teach her a lesson...i hope...

[NeverSure]

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

My fence is metaphorical. It would have to do with denying visa on arrival for anyone from W. Europe. It would have to do with extra scrutiny of any of the same. It would become as hard for a Brit to enter the US as it is for a Thai to enter the US. Only after major vetting and proof of several things could anyone with a W.

European passport travel to some places they do now.

This will spread through Europe with the end of the Shingdumb deal too. Already countries are starting to tighten their borders in the face of it. They are starting to rebel against it.

If you don't see what's coming then you lack vision and understanding. This thing going on in Europe is the end of Europe.

Cheers.

what a sick quote: If you close borders as you want we fall back into 19th century. Do you ever thought why (still UK) Europe is so wealthy? Because of free trade, because of "Schengen", because people can decide where to work...aso. Closing borders would mean increasing costs on all levels. So your beer in UK might go up by 30% or more. Same as prices for daily life. The gap between rich and poor would grow. For you here in Thailand there is no impact? Of course it is. Export is going down, prices up here, poverty spreading. And your "Leo" will cost even more than 100 Baht. So, I can't help you thinking, but in a few years there will be a natural vanish of those ideas. The idea of "Europe" will not die. It was created as a counterpart to America and Asia. Single countries as small as Uk can't compete with a whole continent. Only as a united Europe there is a chance as I described.

The UK isn't wealthy. Its national debt has skyrocketed to be about the same as that of the US per capita but it doesn't have the economic engine or the wealth of natural resources the US has to sustain it. The average Brit isn't wealthy. Things are actually going downhill on an affordability basis in the UK. If the guy on the street was benefiting from these new ideas we're discussing then I'd see something different in the town square.

You have been lied to and you swallowed it. You continue to swallow it as Europe crumbles. Your leaders have led you into the snake pit and you continue to support them.

What you really need is a revolution, but how? They disarmed the people for a reason and brainwashed them into thinking it was good for them. They whacked the people's balls off in the classrooms of the schools with a constant bombardment of brainwashing. Now the Brits are robots.

Lemme go clean my M16 and remember why I have it.

Cheers.

[simple1]

I definetely do not belong to your kind of culture.

If you ONCE use your brain you would remember that NO fence would ever prevent people to enter. Remember all the walls and castles in the past. "Limes" "west wall" Berlin Wall" All gone. You are a "Yesterday Man"

My fence is metaphorical. It would have to do with denying visa on arrival for anyone from W. Europe. It would have to do with extra scrutiny of any of the same. It would become as hard for a Brit to enter the US as it is for a Thai to enter the US. Only after major vetting and proof of several things could anyone with a W.

European passport travel to some places they do now.

This will spread through Europe with the end of the Shingdumb deal too. Already countries are starting to tighten their borders in the face of it. They are starting to rebel against it.

If you don't see what's coming then you lack vision and understanding. This thing going on in Europe is the end of Europe.

Cheers.

what a sick quote: If you close borders as you want we fall back into 19th century. Do you ever thought why (still UK) Europe is so wealthy? Because of free trade, because of "Schengen", because people can decide where to work...aso. Closing borders would mean increasing costs on all levels. So your beer in UK might go up by 30% or more. Same as prices for daily life. The gap between rich and poor would grow. For you here in Thailand there is no impact? Of course it is. Export is going down, prices up here, poverty spreading. And your "Leo" will cost even more than 100 Baht. So, I can't help you thinking, but in a few years there will be a natural vanish of those ideas. The idea of "Europe" will not die. It was created as a counterpart to America and Asia. Single countries as small as Uk can't compete with a whole continent. Only as a united Europe there is a chance as I described.

The UK isn't wealthy. Its national debt has skyrocketed to be about the same as that of the US per capita but it doesn't have the economic engine or the wealth of natural resources the US has to sustain it. The average Brit isn't wealthy. Things are actually going downhill on an affordability basis in the UK. If the guy on the street was benefiting from these new ideas we're discussing then I'd see something different in the town square.

You have been lied to and you swallowed it. You continue to swallow it as Europe crumbles. Your leaders have led you into the snake pit and you continue to support them.

What you really need is a revolution, but how? They disarmed the people for a reason and brainwashed them into thinking it was good for them. They whacked the people's balls off in the classrooms of the schools with a constant bombardment of brainwashing. Now the Brits are robots.

Lemme go clean my M16 and remember why I have it.

Cheers.

You may like to back up your claims. From my albeit brief research average net worth in the UK is higher than the US. National debt % against GDP is higher in the USA, % cost of servicing the national debt is higher for the USA than the UK. World Bank stats UK economic growth in the past few years exceed the US.

So far as the English school education system is concerned I would bet you have no comprehension of the Public School system where most of the future management & leaders of UK society would obtain their initial education.

Edited February 18, 2016 by simple1

[RickBradford]

And in a move that will surprise no-one, Eurocrats have decided that the answer to the Schengen problem is: a bigger Schengen.

The European Economic and Social Committee (EESC) issued a statement: "Schengen is not the problem and should not be used as a scapegoat. The Committee therefore appeals to European and national civil society organisations to show their support, not only for maintaining but also for strengthening and enlarging the Schengen area."

The logical conclusion is to make the entire planet part of the Schengen Area, and then nobody will be able to break in from outside. Problem solved!