SURVEY: Brexit, do you support it?

[Grouse]

And your point is?

You are not interested in news and views?

So what are you doing here?

My point is I read it and I am still voting out..

news and views are good

as much right as anyone

I don't think anyone is interested how anyone will vote.

However we, or at least I, am interested in views and opinions

Was there something in the article you disagreed with? Applauded? ?

Nothing particular. Like others, I have my reasons, as I have told you before I read, I watch and ingest the info for both. There is good and bad points for both and there is also a lot of uncertainty for both...unless we all have crystal balls now

OK ?

BTW my balls are not crystal!

[Linzz]

"The main reason is a hunt for taxes to prop up failing economic policies and governments going broke, failing pension schemes and failing negative interest rates. The dream of socialism has only lined the pockets of those in power at the expense of lowering the living standards of the people" - full-blown conspiracy theory about the left? and the Brexit also have full-blown conspiracies about the right.........

It might be nice to make a couple of league tables one for conspiracy theories as promulgated by each side and then one of "experts" each side has rolled out....tot them up and you would get a clearer picture of who is the biggest bullshitter

The attempt to Federalize Europe as a mega-state with one centralized currency, tax regime, Parliament, Central bank ruled by non elected bureaucrats akin to the former USSR is authoritarianism of the Left. Why do you think separatist movements are growing and the rise of right wing third parties? Nothing to do with "conspiracy theories" it's real if you care to look. Whether you like growing nationalistic movements or not they happen when politicians think they're smarter than the great unwashed and there is a rise against corruption in government.Socialism is all very noble sounding when you are taxed to hell for the privilege of living for the "greater good" but in reality there's too many hands in the till from government employees and politicians warming their seats in privileged positions of power. The same reasons for the rise of Trump.

I haven't come across any full blown Brexit conspiracies about the right. Make a couple of league tables, you said it might be nice.....go for it.

Who is the biggest bullshitter?

Really just an outsized rant but I guess we will have to endure more of the same doom and gloom as we approach the big day. This time it is comparison to our old friends from the USSR. So, an elected central bank and civil service? When was that ever a part of our green and pleasant land other than in some some libertarian populist deluded dreams? This is what happens when the awful realisation that the vote may not be going their way dawns and the wheels begin to come off. Mega-this, mega-

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It you don't think the EU at moment is in a sorry state,start checking out what those unelected bureaucrats in Brussels have in the pipeline. It's even more scary than the wild stories that the remain camp are at present dishing out.

Quite.

Get yourselves ready for your personal tax ID number issued by Brussels so you can be taxed to support the Federalization of Europe.

Get your voting paper with instructions on how to REMAIN. Classic example of subliminal messaging. Appearing to guide the hand of the voter should be challenged in court.The vote rigging has started

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/29/voters-in-the-eu-referendum-told-to-vote-for-remain-in-postal-vo/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[JetsetBkk]

This is all you need to know:

[allanos]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

[Jip99]

[Thaiwine]

Even if what Robert Azevedo is stating is unbiast and correct (which I don't belive to be the case) that the UK would have to pay 9 billion per year in tariffs we would be no worse off than we are now should we leave the EU as we pay that much if not more to the EU already.

These EU contributions are going to have to stretch a long way. Boris Johnson first promised the NHS and now he is proposing to use them to remove VAT on energy. Its like the pot of gold will cure all.

First of all I apologise for cutting out some of your replies, as I keep getting an error of too many posts or something like that.

So if we pay tariffs on exports, we will then charge tariffs on imports, so would Robert Azevedo's 'estimate' be on only exports? which I suspect to be the case, if so it would be offset by the tariffs on imports?

If I have understand that correctly then no his comment was not unbiast and correct it would be one sided to say the least.

[Thaiwine]

What I think has happened in this EU referendum as I consider the events that have unfolded, DC fearing the progress that Ukip were making in the run up to the Election goes for what he thinks will bring those supporters back that are starting to worry about migration, so he says if you vote for us we will give you a referendum on the EU, he was confident that even the threat of leaving the EU would have the Brussels bureaucrats eating out of his hand, he would return a hero the saviour of the UK, so what went wrong? We do not know what happened behind closed doors but we can make a reasonable guess, after a couple of sessions of water boarding he realised just how badly he had goofed, and a plan was evolved on the best way forward, he would return with some wishy washy concessions to reflect how angry our masters were, he was to make the people understand how catastrophic leaving would be and during the run up to the referendum they would arrange for press releases from the top financial institutions to back up his campaign.

[Grouse]

http://www.fxstreet.com/news/sterling-dives-on-brexit-leave-camp-leading-bbh-201605312026

It is Brexit problem

[Grouse]

This is all you need to know:

Jesus, not that nutter spouting off yet again. Surprised he's not banged up in an asylum!

[SheungWan]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

The pound dropped over 1% in reaction to a recent poll suggesting that the vote was swinging towards BREXIT. Your point is therefore 'er... blown over.

[jaidam]

A dropping pound is great for exports and great for our economy. good old Brexit, it's already helping us.

[chiang mai]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

It's highly misleading to use a three month Sterling trend! If one wants to see the impact of poll results on GBP it's important to correlate the directional changes with the release of those poll results, for example:

"The pound rallied the most in three weeks after a poll of U.K. voters released Monday showed people who support a campaign to remain in the European Union exceeded those saying they will vote to leave by a wider margin than last month.

Sterling rose against most of its 16 major peers after the ORB/Telegraph poll showed 55 percent of respondents were in favor of remaining in the European Union, while 40 percent wanted to leave. The proportion in the remain camp increased from a similar survey in April. Britons will vote on the country’s EU membership on June 23. U.K. government bonds rose as a report showed inflation slowed".

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-17/pound-rallies-as-brexit-poll-shows-remain-camp-boosting-lead

[slipperylobster]

Even if the British left, it still could be a long time before things got back to normal, said Steve hawkings

[Linzz]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

The pound dropped over 1% in reaction to a recent poll suggesting that the vote was swinging towards BREXIT. Your point is therefore 'er... blown over.

I'm sure the GBP will hover this way and that up to the decision. Brexit, it will drop further because of uncertainty. Remain and it will continue to drop against the USD like it has since July 2014. Either way its declining

[chiang mai]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

The pound dropped over 1% in reaction to a recent poll suggesting that the vote was swinging towards BREXIT. Your point is therefore 'er... blown over.

I'm sure the GBP will hover this way and that up to the decision. Brexit, it will drop further because of uncertainty. Remain and it will continue to drop against the USD like it has since July 2014. Either way its declining

No doubt about the Pound being in decline and since the start of the year Brexit has mad things substantially worse. As shown in the previous chart only the certainty of a Remain vote will slow that decline.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/pound-s-slide-endures-after-currency-s-worst-day-since-2010

[Linzz]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

The pound dropped over 1% in reaction to a recent poll suggesting that the vote was swinging towards BREXIT. Your point is therefore 'er... blown over.

I'm sure the GBP will hover this way and that up to the decision. Brexit, it will drop further because of uncertainty. Remain and it will continue to drop against the USD like it has since July 2014. Either way its declining

No doubt about the Pound being in decline and since the start of the year Brexit has mad things substantially worse. As shown in the previous chart only the certainty of a Remain vote will slow that decline.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/pound-s-slide-endures-after-currency-s-worst-day-since-2010

That might be true initially. But with the ECB running the show and with the BoE in subservience to Brussels why would we presume the GBP will stay strong?

[Jip99]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

The pound dropped over 1% in reaction to a recent poll suggesting that the vote was swinging towards BREXIT. Your point is therefore 'er... blown over.

I'm sure the GBP will hover this way and that up to the decision. Brexit, it will drop further because of uncertainty. Remain and it will continue to drop against the USD like it has since July 2014. Either way its declining

No doubt about the Pound being in decline and since the start of the year Brexit has mad things substantially worse. As shown in the previous chart only the certainty of a Remain vote will slow that decline.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/pound-s-slide-endures-after-currency-s-worst-day-since-2010

With UK bookmakers quoting 1/4 on for REMAIN you would have thought that was sufficient confidence in a REMAIN vote for the graph to be evidencing a steady upward trend !

[chiang mai]

The pound dropped over 1% in reaction to a recent poll suggesting that the vote was swinging towards BREXIT. Your point is therefore 'er... blown over.

I'm sure the GBP will hover this way and that up to the decision. Brexit, it will drop further because of uncertainty. Remain and it will continue to drop against the USD like it has since July 2014. Either way its declining

No doubt about the Pound being in decline and since the start of the year Brexit has mad things substantially worse. As shown in the previous chart only the certainty of a Remain vote will slow that decline.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/pound-s-slide-endures-after-currency-s-worst-day-since-2010

That might be true initially. But with the ECB running the show and with the BoE in subservience to Brussels why would we presume the GBP will stay strong?

It's a circular argument isn't it: the Pound is in longer term decline but shows signs of improvement based on increased confidence in Remain. If the Remain vote wins I would expect that decline to continue at a similar pace as before. BUT if the Brexit vote wins the potential for reduced confidence is far greater than with Remain (this is what the markets are telling us from the above charts and articles) hence the fall in the value of Sterling will be far far steeper and longer than the (Remain) alternative. Either way it's not a good story for Sterling which has been on the cards for over two years, it's a question of which is the lesser of two evils, from a GBP value perspective. OK now cue the Brexiiteers asking why GBP will drop in value in the event of a Brexit, it's only "may fall" they will tell us! Hmmmm.

And Jip: your point is well taken and indeed it is so, you just need to look at macro chart.

[chiang mai]

More than half of UK farmers income comes from the EU, land values and demand now falling as a result of Brexit fear, ditto central London real estate:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-20/english-farm-prices-fall-most-since-2008-on-brexit-commodities

[nontabury]

More than half of UK farmers income comes from the EU, land values and demand now falling as a result of Brexit fear, ditto central London real estate:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-20/english-farm-prices-fall-most-since-2008-on-brexit-commodities

CM I used to own a farm in the UK,and I'm still in contact with a number of farmers, none of whom are telling me,they wish to remain in this corrupt so called Union. That of course is not to say no farmers,especially the large corporation owed farms are not supporters of a system that is subsidizing them. Again. I 'm unaware of a drop in the value of farm land. Farm produce as in this example "wheat" is decided by demand and that seasons crop,absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Central London is something else, where other factors completelyUnassociated with this referendum are at play.

But please keep up with the scare stories,very amusing.

[chiang mai]

More than half of UK farmers income comes from the EU, land values and demand now falling as a result of Brexit fear, ditto central London real estate:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-20/english-farm-prices-fall-most-since-2008-on-brexit-commodities

CM I used to own a farm in the UK,and I'm still in contact with a number of farmers, none of whom are telling me,they wish to remain in this corrupt so called Union. That of course is not to say no farmers,especially the large corporation owed farms are not supporters of a system that is subsidizing them. Again. I 'm unaware of a drop in the value of farm land. Farm produce as in this example "wheat" is decided by demand and that seasons crop,absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Central London is something else, where other factors completelyUnassociated with this referendum are at play.

But please keep up with the scare stories,very amusing.

It is not intended to be an amusing scare story, it's intended and believed to be a statement of fact from a reliable source, another piece of data to help readers/posters decide their own direction in this matter.

I agree that falling commodity prices is not a function of Brexit and nobody suggested it is, but the impact of them on farmers, combined with a substantial loss of EU subsidies as a result of Brexit is. Now whether that potential loss of subsidies impacts smaller or larger, richer or poorer farmers I have no idea, given your immense dislike of anyone or thing being even remotely privileged or wealthy I expect you tell us it only the larger corporations and the landed gentry who will benefit, what the truth is on that point is very unclear and may indeed be the opposite for all I know.

And finally London house prices. I think that if somebody puts forth an argument that Central London house prices and demand are falling and another person disagrees, I'd half way expect a meatier answer than, "is something else, where other factors completelyUnassociated with this referendum are at play". I mean, all the media is telling us it is so and that's it's confidence/Brexit related yet you say it's "other factors completelyUnassociated with this referendum" - would you care to share and let us all in on the reasons or is this another Brexit line of, "no, the economy wont tank and the Pound wont fall after Brexit", without offering any reasons why or any financial model to support the claim!!!

[sandyf]

"The more I hear the sovereignty argument from Leave campaigners, usually coupled with how undemocratic the EU is, the more I compare and contrast that with our own legislative system and realise that it is the UK that is hopelessly undemocratic.

How can it be considered representative of the people with our unelected queen as head of state and our unelected lords in the upper chamber?

You may consider the House of Commons to be democratic, but it isn't anything of the sort. Several governments over the last generation were voted in by less than 25 per cent of those eligible to vote (that is, the total number of people on the national electoral register). This weak system serves only the interests of the major political parties but does nothing to strengthen the fabric of our democracy.

How those who speak of “a profoundly undemocratic” EU can miss the irony of their comment has proven to be a source of constant amazement to me. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/if-the-eu-is-undemocratic-its-time-to-look-again-at-the-british-parliament-a7056326.html

I respect your views but feel they are somewhat wide of the mark.

The United Kingdom's political system is a Constitutional Monarchy. Yes, the Queen is Head of State, but it is a titular position only.

The House of Lords sits to ensure there are certain checks and balances in the formation and passing of laws. It is not the final arbiter of such laws.

In a Democracy such as Britain's (and unlike, for example, Australia's) it is considered "democratic" if one does not even vote for a candidate come Election-time. A non-vote is just that; a decision not to vote. Consequently, 25% of eligible voters, or less even, can decide on the future direction of the country. However, the "people" get another "chance" 5 years later, if they wish to change their views. This system is not remotely like the present bureaucratic structure of the European Union, and it has served the United Kingdom well for generations. It is an almighty stretch to believe that the EU is in any way a democratically-run construct.

Incidentally, it is also possible that, owing to the composition and boundaries of the Constituencies, a particular political party may be voted into power by a minority of the eligible voters who cast their votes. When this fact was once put to the late Harold Wilson, his comment was, "don't be politically naïve!"

Unless something better comes along, which is not my view of the present make-up of the European Union, I shall be happy to cast my vote in the time-honoured way in a "sovereign" United Kingdom.

Make your comments to the author, not the messenger.

[chiang mai]

One More:

The above is how GBP moved against USD when the Brexit lead was announced:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617421/Poll-surge-Brexit-record-breaking-EU-immigration-figures-drive-public-fears-numbers-coming-Britain.html

For UK expats in Thailand that means that one Pound went from 52.05 to it's current level of 51.29 (average all Thai banks at this moment in time).

[Caps]

One More:

The above is how GBP moved against USD when the Brexit lead was announced:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617421/Poll-surge-Brexit-record-breaking-EU-immigration-figures-drive-public-fears-numbers-coming-Britain.html

For UK expats in Thailand that means that one Pound went from 52.05 to it's current level of 51.29 (average all Thai banks at this moment in time).

It will rise again in the future which ever way it goes

[sandyf]

Even if what Robert Azevedo is stating is unbiast and correct (which I don't belive to be the case) that the UK would have to pay 9 billion per year in tariffs we would be no worse off than we are now should we leave the EU as we pay that much if not more to the EU already.

These EU contributions are going to have to stretch a long way. Boris Johnson first promised the NHS and now he is proposing to use them to remove VAT on energy. Its like the pot of gold will cure all.

First of all I apologise for cutting out some of your replies, as I keep getting an error of too many posts or something like that.

So if we pay tariffs on exports, we will then charge tariffs on imports, so would Robert Azevedo's 'estimate' be on only exports? which I suspect to be the case, if so it would be offset by the tariffs on imports?

If I have understand that correctly then no his comment was not unbiast and correct it would be one sided to say the least.

You would be perfectly correct if imports and exports were equal and tariff rates were at the same level. Life being what it is that is unlikely to be the case but something we would not know until a new tariff profile had been established.

There probably is a certain amount of bias as the WTO would have a vested interest in 'remain'. They have enough on their plate without having to deal with the UK and would be under pressure to deal with it quickly. I wasn't saying his figures were credible, more that the article had got things distorted.

Know what you mean about too many posts, often get in a mess trying to take them out.

[sandyf]

It appears I may have got something wrong, I was under the impression it would be down to a post brexit government to determine policy.

The UK could have a "fairer, more humane" immigration system that would work better for the economy if it left the EU, leading Leave campaigners say.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36419815

[sandyf]

More than half of UK farmers income comes from the EU, land values and demand now falling as a result of Brexit fear, ditto central London real estate:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-20/english-farm-prices-fall-most-since-2008-on-brexit-commodities

It was claimed following the Panama Papers that the practice of using London property to launder money would decline resulting in a drop in property prices.

[Grouse]

A dropping pound is great for exports and great for our economy. good old Brexit, it's already helping us.

What a foolish comment. You real think the UK can be successful by weakening the currency? You think we can compete with China in that way? Amazing

[cumgranosalum]

Interesting short on Australia Plus News - they interviewed farmers and businesses in Aberystwyth, Wales and market traders in Romford (Essex)

The farmers were surprisingly articulate about their trade with Europe and the need for proximity.

The Cafe owner again cited the quick, cheap easy access to European foods.

Romford....well what can you say - they just went on and on about "immigrants" - they couldn't even say if they were asylum seekers, refugees or what.....one woman seemed to encapsulate the while attitude when asked what she thought she replied:

"I want out"

when asked why, she said

"I don't know why, I just want out"

[Grouse]

The British Pound has weakened against ALL the currencies it has been traded against over the past 3 months

(if not longer), with the following exceptions:

Russian rouble, Brazilian real, Colombian peso, Peru neuvo sol.

Where is the supposed correlation with the Pound getting stronger as polls have been showing that the majority of

UK voters are going to vote to "remain in Europe", and as recently lauded by some of the members of this forum?

In the last 28 days, it is essentially back where it started versus the US Dollar.

The joyous reaction to the media piece of a few days ago, claiming that the pound had strengthened on the back of the

"remain" opinion polls being in the ascendancy, was, to put it extremely mildly, OVERBLOWN.

The pound dropped over 1% in reaction to a recent poll suggesting that the vote was swinging towards BREXIT. Your point is therefore 'er... blown over.

I'm sure the GBP will hover this way and that up to the decision. Brexit, it will drop further because of uncertainty. Remain and it will continue to drop against the USD like it has since July 2014. Either way its declining

No doubt about the Pound being in decline and since the start of the year Brexit has mad things substantially worse. As shown in the previous chart only the certainty of a Remain vote will slow that decline.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/pound-s-slide-endures-after-currency-s-worst-day-since-2010

With UK bookmakers quoting 1/4 on for REMAIN you would have thought that was sufficient confidence in a REMAIN vote for the graph to be evidencing a steady upward trend !

It was 6/1on last weekend ?