Boycott camp rejects results of 'fake' referendum

[chainarong]

Not only a farce but half the voters stayed away , no wonder it didn't take long to count the votes , something like TAT's  August figures coming out tomorrow , the message from the Junta is the vote was for us , so go eat wheat , the laughable part is they are calling the coming elections Democratic , the only democratic part is people can vote, not for who they want,  that is organized , with top military brass as automatic appointments , 250 Senators elected by the military and will all be military , the Prime Minister elected by Parliament, That's  Prayut's  idea of democracy, trouble days indeed.   

[than]

17 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

 

A pretty clear message. 53% turnout yet the last election had a 75% turnout. 

 

 

 

In this election, Thai people were free to vote for yes or no, while those who complain all the time prefer to no go vote that an exemple of their "democracy"

 

You must compare similar election

2007 :  57.61% turnout result 57.81 Yes, 42.19 No

2016 : 55 % turnout result 61.4 Yes, 38.6 No

 

Compare to 2006 referendum, most people approve the new constitution (2007 : 14,727,306 voter for Yes, 20016 :  15,562,027 voter for Yes)

 

Map show that some province of ptp vote for draft charter

 

2007 map

 

2016 map : 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Just as likely is that a red shirt death squad finds out people voted yes and will hunt them down. (possible just highly unlikely just like the government running prints and keeping this secret and then punishing people)

 

See what I mean a threat has to be likely else its hollow. I just showed how hollow the tread is.. it would take YEARS to check the fingerprints thus its an unlikely threat. 

 

But I guess you will keep believing this else it will be hard to accept that the vote turned out to be YES by a big margin. 

If you find it's not a problem to have fingerprints on ballots, just explain us why it is forbidden in all democratic countries? 

[robblok]

38 minutes ago, candide said:

If you find it's not a problem to have fingerprints on ballots, just explain us why it is forbidden in all democratic countries? 

 

http://thevotingnews.com/want-to-vote-get-fingerprinted-bloomberg-view/   (seems it was proposed in the USA)

 

So what does that say ?

[djjamie]

4 minutes ago, djjamie said:

Sour grapes and to be expected. They disrespected every vote that went against their agenda. 

 

Every vote they win they have no excuses. They respect THAT vote. Every vote they lose including the last charter referendum they have wonderful excuses that would make a science fiction fantasy book sound factual. Every poll that does not suit their agenda it is described as an evil poll by shadowy people. Every poll that does sui the agenda by the same entities (bangkok poll etc) they hold as gospil. No wonder the majority voted for the military. They have been held in contempt for so long. 

 

Of course some will say "Wait for the next election" AND of course as predictably as this when the popular Prayut that stopped terrorism by the violent minority in 1 day is voted in the excuses will come out again. 

 

Never ever will some respect the majority if it does not suit their agenda, heay jatuporn.

 

Edited August 10, 2016 by djjamie

[ramrod711]

2 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

Where you come from do they arrest people that campaign against the yes vote put forward by a military government?

 

Where I come from the results speak for themselves. Whether the results are to your liking or not. Certain people have been saying for almost 2 years now that the difference between the PTP and the Junta was that people got to vote for PTP. The people got to vote again and 60% said yes. Hard for you to swallow but you'll get over it. 

[halloween]

The reason discussion of the charter was banned was simple, to stop Thaksin's stooges from lying about it. When they lied about the content of the charter, they shut down their tv station, so they resorted to mail, to lie about it. PTP officials, who will hopefully be jailed.

 

But Thaksin, Yingluk, and other PTP made it clear that wanted a NO vote. They didn't get it. The options were clear. YES, NO or who cares. Claiming "who cares" as NO is self-delusion.

 

Of the 8 Thais I asked, all well known to me and all from further north than Samui, all answered that they didn't register to vote and couldn't care less. You don't have to be a linguist to understand apathy.

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Take heart as only 33% of eligible voters approved. Seem majority does reject the fake referendum.

 

Seems your logic is wrong again Eric.

 

From those who voted more voted in favor of each of the two questions than against.

 

You don't know whether those who didn't vote were against it, indifferent to it, or for it and couldn't be arsed to vote. 

 

What is noticeable is both Yingluck and Abhisit made it clear they and their brother parties were against it and would be voting know. Look like neither have the "influence" they thought they did.

[Eric Loh]

4 hours ago, smedly said:

politicians have been told to remain silent these last two years which quite frankly I am very happy about, they are a major part of the problem that needs fixed in this country, I would rather all of them were banned from taking office for at least 10 years and those that can be proven to have broken the law arrested and jailed.

 

Thailand needs a totally new political landscape free from all these old dino's that have  abused power  and self served their own pockets for decades....get rid of the lot of them and ban organisations like the UUD who spread hatred terror murder and do nothing but divide Thailand at the behest of one very divisive individual who will now stop at nothing short of civil war - a very evil criminal on the run

 

Haven't we heard this 18 times over that Thailand need a new political landscape. The military is not about change but it's about status quo. At least, politicians you can vote them out or the court will take them out but not a coup government. They are the judge, jury and executioner all roll in one. They are also major part of the problem and need to be fixed and be answerable to the government. The UDD came about because they witness the PAD transgression and their plan to create instability for the military to step in. This is no longer ancient Siam and the poor peasants have found a voice and not subservient to the elites. They resonate with UDD who recognize their cause. Thailand can't continue to ignore the poor and only serve the elites. A new political landscape should be one that allow people to express who they want as leaders; not leaders that snatch power.    

[Alive]

The best thing about reading the supporters posts here is that I know in the future they will be forced to realize they were full of it at this time. Thai history will prove it as it always does when the people head to the streets to get their rights back. The history is there and it is very one sided. The people always want their country back. The supporters of the regime and its schemes can deny the present and believe their own lies but they can't deny the past or the likely hood of what will happen in the near future. What happens is totally about their ignorance and support for basically selfish and corrupt leaders. Coming soon.

Edited August 10, 2016 by Alive

[halloween]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

The best thing about reading the supporters posts here is that I know in the future they will be forced to realize they were full of it at this time. Thai history will prove it as it always does when the people head to the streets to get their rights back. The history is there and it is very one sided. The people always want their country back. They can deny the present and believe their own lies but they can't deny the past or the likely hood of what probably will happen in the near future. What happens is totally about their ignorance and support for basically selfish and corrupt leaders. Coming soon.

What are the chances of the red horde racing down to Bangkok with their M-79s and machetes when they can't even be bothered to walk to the nearest polling booth to vote NO?

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Seems your logic is wrong again Eric.

 

From those who voted more voted in favor of each of the two questions than against.

 

You don't know whether those who didn't vote were against it, indifferent to it, or for it and couldn't be arsed to vote. 

 

What is noticeable is both Yingluck and Abhisit made it clear they and their brother parties were against it and would be voting know. Look like neither have the "influence" they thought they did.

 

If you know Thais, you know that when they don't like something, they ignore and don't participate. That's how I see it. Majority of eligible voters simply hate the military and refuse to engage.

 

The bigger loser will be Ahbisit judging from the results. Most southern provinces (think it is 70+%) voted yes and ignoring him and Chuan advise. Contrast that with 11 of the 14 north and north-east provinces heed Yingluck advise and voted No.

[halloween]

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Take heart as only 33% of eligible voters approved. Seem majority does reject the fake referendum.

 

The only place the NO vote got a small majority was the NE. If the 33% turnout makes the 61% look weak what does it make the NE's 3%? Oh that's right, you want to delude yourself that all the non-voters wanted NO.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, halloween said:

What are the chances of the red horde racing down to Bangkok with their M-79s and machetes when they can't even be bothered to walk to the nearest polling booth to vote NO?

Real good point I wonder what  alive has to say. It certainly is a lot easier to vote NO then to go all the way to BKK to protest. 

 

Only difference is maybe they did not get paid to vote.. and usually they get paid to protest. Probably a money thing. 

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

If you know Thais, you know that when they don't like something, they ignore and don't participate. That's how I see it. Majority of eligible voters simply hate the military and refuse to engage.

 

The bigger loser will be Ahbisit judging from the results. Most southern provinces (think it is 70+%) voted yes and ignoring him and Chuan advise. Contrast that with 11 of the 14 north and north-east provinces heed Yingluck advise and voted No.

I would look at it this way too if i had lost.. is easier to accept that they just did not care and are no longer following the PTP. They knew PTP told them to vote NO (they never said don't vote) But they still did not vote NO. The majority of people who thought it was important to vote did vote YES. 

[halloween]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

If you know Thais, you know that when they don't like something, they ignore and don't participate. That's how I see it. Majority of eligible voters simply hate the military and refuse to engage.

 

The bigger loser will be Ahbisit judging from the results. Most southern provinces (think it is 70+%) voted yes and ignoring him and Chuan advise. Contrast that with 11 of the 14 north and north-east provinces heed Yingluck advise and voted No.

 

11 out of 76, and with a 3% margin. Yeah, were gonna have a PTP landslide LOL. Did you notice the NATIONAL result was 61% against "heeding Yingluk"?

[Gweiloman]

Is there a breakdown of how many voted (not how they voted) by region?

[Gweiloman]

12 minutes ago, robblok said:

Real good point I wonder what  alive has to say. It certainly is a lot easier to vote NO then to go all the way to BKK to protest. 

 

Only difference is maybe they did not get paid to vote.. and usually they get paid to protest. Probably a money thing. 

 

"Only difference is maybe they did not get paid to vote.. and usually they get paid to protest. Probably a money thing. "

 

Shame on you for posting such a comment. Speaks a lot about your opinion of the Isaan people

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

 

The chances of soldiers shooting Thai citizens in the streets is 100%. Just look at Thai history. The Thai military kills for BKK since the city was founded, don't you know. Yes, the rural people are 'hordes'.  You make it sound like someday the elite of Bangkok will be hanging from telephone poles like they once hung those who resisted their corrupt rule in the past. Well, I don;t know but world history does shed light on that happening. Maybe you are right. Can it be avoided?

 

They got my blessing to shoot any armed portester (red or yellow). You seem to get off on the idea of violence against BKK. 

[halloween]

3 minutes ago, Alive said:

 

The chances of soldiers shooting Thai citizens in the streets is 100%. Just look at Thai history. The Thai military kills for BKK since the city was founded, don't you know. Yes, the rural people are 'hordes'.  You make it sound like someday the elite of Bangkok will be hanging from telephone poles like they once hung those who resisted their corrupt rule in the past. Well, I don;t know but world history does shed light on that happening. Maybe you are right. Can it be avoided?

Yes, well first the people have to BE on the street, with their M-79s and machetes. And despite your fantasies, it just ain't going to happen. Now do you have a reason why all these radical blood-crazed militants didn't get off their butt to vote or not?

BTW bring lots of rope, but with such a small minority, worry about who it might get used on.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, halloween said:

 

11 out of 76, and with a 3% margin. Yeah, were gonna have a PTP landslide LOL. Did you notice the NATIONAL result was 61% against "heeding Yingluk"?

 

Can't deny that the result was positive for the draft charter but will be infamously tainted by harsh laws banning public debates or criticism and a climate of fear leading to it. Not a normal situation.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 

"Only difference is maybe they did not get paid to vote.. and usually they get paid to protest. Probably a money thing. "

 

Shame on you for posting such a comment. Speaks a lot about your opinion of the Isaan people

 

I have no opinion about Isaan people, i do know that with this election there were no handouts and with previous ones there were.  I also know (and there is video evidence) that people got paid to protest. I just draw conclusions from that I have no negative opinion about them.  

[smedly]

you know what guys, if this vote had gone the other way certain people here would still be crying foul claiming it was a fix so that the current government could remain in office

 

This discussion is just pointless

 

The result is what it is ...... move on

[ramrod711]

5 minutes ago, Alive said:

 

Halloween, you are a propagandist. It's that simple. Soldiers killed over 100 Thai citizens in downtown Bangkok and god knows how many others over the years and all for Bangkok's power. You like murder and corruption. It's obvious, just say it. You would be at home working for Hitler too working with his minister of propaganda telling the nation the threat of the Jews. We know your kind well.

Calm down and try to stay on topic. The topic is not Nazis or raving lunatics with conspiracy theories, like you.

[seajae]

43 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

If you know Thais, you know that when they don't like something, they ignore and don't participate. That's how I see it. Majority of eligible voters simply hate the military and refuse to engage.

 

The bigger loser will be Ahbisit judging from the results. Most southern provinces (think it is 70+%) voted yes and ignoring him and Chuan advise. Contrast that with 11 of the 14 north and north-east provinces heed Yingluck advise and voted No.

going by your own words then the majority of thais did not want the ptp at the last election, does that mean that vote should have been ignored as well, seems you may have stuck your foot in your mouth

Edited August 10, 2016 by seajae

[halloween]

Everybody's a murder loving fascist except the guy inciting civil war and rebellion.

[seajae]

43 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Haven't we heard this 18 times over that Thailand need a new political landscape. The military is not about change but it's about status quo. At least, politicians you can vote them out or the court will take them out but not a coup government. They are the judge, jury and executioner all roll in one. They are also major part of the problem and need to be fixed and be answerable to the government. The UDD came about because they witness the PAD transgression and their plan to create instability for the military to step in. This is no longer ancient Siam and the poor peasants have found a voice and not subservient to the elites. They resonate with UDD who recognize their cause. Thailand can't continue to ignore the poor and only serve the elites. A new political landscape should be one that allow people to express who they want as leaders; not leaders that snatch power.    

you mean the udd came about because thaksin was pissed off at having all his money confiscated by the thai govt, he organized the rebellion and paid them to trash Bangkok but then being a red/thaksin lover you refuse to acknowledge the truth of it, the deaths were started by the red terrorists that thaksin paid for and told what to do.

[waitforusalso]

Yes votes were made up of;

1. Public servants coerced by their bosses

2. People who want to have a general election ASAP & not wait around for another stacked constitution like version 1 & 2

3. Junta lovers / Suthep freaks who do as Prayuth say

Not much to be proud of!

[halloween]

1 minute ago, waitforusalso said:

Yes votes were made up of;

1. Public servants coerced by their bosses

2. People who want to have a general election ASAP & not wait around for another stacked constitution like version 1 & 2

3. Junta lovers / Suthep freaks who do as Prayuth say

Not much to be proud of!

You forgot "Bangkok elite"

So were the small minority who voted No PTP/Thaksin suporters?

[ramrod711]

1 minute ago, waitforusalso said:

Yes votes were made up of;

1. Public servants coerced by their bosses

2. People who want to have a general election ASAP & not wait around for another stacked constitution like version 1 & 2

3. Junta lovers / Suthep freaks who do as Prayuth say

Not much to be proud of!

 

Yes it was all rigged, no possibility of Thais being sick and tired of the constant discord, or the fact that the Shins cost them billions. You wouldn't be a Trump voter would you?